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Mohammad Amir as a 4th seamer in place of Fahim Ashraf in Pakistan's World Cup squad?

The role of the 4th seamer being accurate and wicket to wicket and being miserly and any wickets being bonus from him , surely Amir can do that job better than Fahim or Wasim Jnr? Plus he is no mug with the bat as well.
 
Why not use Ihsanullah? He’s a fantastic bowler who’s accurate, wicket taker and economical. Also an unknown commodity so opposition teams won’t be able to do a lot of study on him.
 
He's retired I think. Plus hasn't played List A Cricket for a while.

Hasan Ali is a better option. Team also has Wasim JR.
 
No, irrespective of the fact it might look good on paper here are things to consider from practical purposes;

1) He is retired
2) Fitness has been an issue with him playing last 50 overs match ages ago
3) His attitude is just going to negatively impact this well gelled Pak team plus he is more interested in leagues and stuff
4) CPL is not the best league to judge bowlers which we might be doing here as average scores are generally lower due to conditions
5) Shaheen and Naseem with new ball are as good as any pair. With old ball, Amir is nothing extraordinary. Wasim Jr offers much more with reverse and his pace in early to mid 140s kph if a genuine 4th pacer is needed
 
I could name 38 players that can bowl and bat better than Faheem, but it won’t matter because the management which includes those two from Islamabad United look at Faheem the same way we look at Ben Stokes.

I’ve learnt one thing, even if you bat like Saeed Ajmal just call yourself an all rounder, the management will never think otherwise.
 
Amir is a great bowler but he can’t bat on Faheem’s level

Let’s not be disrespectful to Rana Faheem Sobers. Guy is a class player of pace
 
I want Haris Sohail as the back-up middle order batsman, but that's not going to happen. Same with Amir. So no point thinking about stuff that will never happen
 
He's retired I think. Plus hasn't played List A Cricket for a while.

Hasan Ali is a better option. Team also has Wasim JR.
Hasan Ali is finished at white ball level as a bowler. He needs to re-invent himself as a batting all rounder.

The only set up Hassan might thrive in is England cricket. They know how to utilise a player of his capability
 
Why not use Ihsanullah? He’s a fantastic bowler who’s accurate, wicket taker and economical. Also an unknown commodity so opposition teams won’t be able to do a lot of study on him.
Ihsanullah can only bowl

His fielding standards are not international to say the least, in fact he is a very poor domestic or club level fielder

The guy is tall and has power, so he can develop long levers to tonk big sixes if he works on his batting
 
Problem is adding a 4th pacer like ihsanullah or zaman Khan means an extremely long tail.

We need a genuine bowling allrounder, someone who can pace the ball at 140 clicks but also bat pretty well in the avg of 30 and strike rate of 90+ to 100.

But pakistan doesn't have a Ben stokes, Liam plunket etc type player in their squad.
 
I think ben stokes should be 4th bowler for pakistan. But what about starc.

Some people are quite naive and still have discussions on topic that are not possible. Amir has reitired from pakistan cricket. Move on.

But if you want to discuss hypothetical stuff that might aswell say kohli shpuld bat for us at no. 4.

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I think ben stokes should be 4th bowler for pakistan. But what about starc.

Some people are quite naive and still have discussions on topic that are not possible. Amir has reitired from pakistan cricket. Move on.

But if you want to discuss hypothetical stuff that might aswell say kohli shpuld bat for us at no. 4.

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Amir is unique though. He is the first player in cricketing history to play in a retired players league while still claiming to be an active player.
 
You think Amirs ego will accept not getting the new ball and being a rotation player?

Yes that aswell. But you’d think if he gets to the state where discussions take place, would babar allow it.

Personally a more justifiable reason for including amir is a direct backup for shaheen considering his recent injury.
 
Babar will not disrupt the dressing room by bringing in a washed up toxic 135kph bowler who sold his country for a paycheck.
 
Has Ihsanullah recovered from injury?.He didn’t play in The Hundred due to injured arm.If he is fit then he should be selected for WC.
 
Why not use Ihsanullah? He’s a fantastic bowler who’s accurate, wicket taker and economical. Also an unknown commodity so opposition teams won’t be able to do a lot of study on him.
Good idea, assuming Ihsanullah is fully fit.

Shadab is also a weak link in our bowling attack and I would drop him too.

Personally I would go with this bowling attack:

1. Shaheen
2. Naseem
3. Haris Rauf
4. Insanullah
5. Salman Agha
6. Iftikhar Ahmed
 
Don't want to see this poisonous individual anywhere near the team.

He is DONE. Retired, good riddance.

The last thing, this Pakistan team needs is drama & off the field tension.
 
As a player, the suggestion makes sense.
When you take in everything else into consideration (IE toxicity to the team, poor attitude etc), it's a huge no !
 
Why is no one mentioning Amir Jamal? He could be our 4th seamer too, with better batting ability than Wasim Jnr.. but alas he seems not under consideration at all
Amir jamal should have gotten all the games we wasted on Faheem.
 
At one point I thought Amir might make himself available for Pakistan when Sethi became Chairman once again.

But I don't see it happening now and add to the mix that next year he will qualify for British citizenship which means he can play County cricket as a local player and of course play in the IPL.
 
Muhammad Amir has gone so why we are considering him as a 4th bowler neither he is an all rounder..

Yeah if we compare amir jamal here with faheem so it makes more sense.
 
Amir is history but Aamer Jamal really impressed me with his guts when he helped pakistan win a close ODI (or was it T20) a while back and then he was quickly discarded so to speak. I liked his energy and hustle. Wonder what he is doing these days and why was he not given any more chances.
 
No I would rather stick with fahim if I had a choice between the two.
 
This is an odd suggestion because unlike in the immediate aftermath of the Amir spot fixing saga, we now finally have a substantial amount of quality pacers. Apart from our world class top 3, we have Mohammed Wasim who is light years ahead of Fahim and is a bowler I rate.

I do not understand the thinking which says that Faheem should be selected for his batting. On current form, I would say Shaheen is a better batsman than Faheem. So let’s select Wasim, who doesn’t just contain but take wickets, and solve our middle over conundrum where we seem to take no wickets at all!
 
This is an odd suggestion because unlike in the immediate aftermath of the Amir spot fixing saga, we now finally have a substantial amount of quality pacers. Apart from our world class top 3, we have Mohammed Wasim who is light years ahead of Fahim and is a bowler I rate.

I do not understand the thinking which says that Faheem should be selected for his batting. On current form, I would say Shaheen is a better batsman than Faheem. So let’s select Wasim, who doesn’t just contain but take wickets, and solve our middle over conundrum where we seem to take no wickets at all!
Shaheen tends to be a power hitter and faces challenges when it comes to consistently rotating the strike.

We require an all rounder who possesses the ability to find gaps for singles and doubles while also having the capability to occasionally find the boundary.
 
The problem with fans is that they still think that Amir is the same old.

Amir or no Amir, Faheem Ashraf should be no where near the squad
 
Shaheen tends to be a power hitter and faces challenges when it comes to consistently rotating the strike.

We require an all rounder who possesses the ability to find gaps for singles and doubles while also having the capability to occasionally find the boundary.

But Faheem has no consistency at all. Yes he’s occasionally played a good innings, but it’s so occasional that it defies all logic to be selecting him ahead of a proper bowler. If you select a proper bowler, then instead of the opposition being 4 down and then making a 100-150 run partnership, you’ll get the opposition 5/6/7 down and finish their innings. That’s way more valuable than the occasional 20 Faheem will make.
 
To be completly fair to faheem, he was spot on in the last game with line and length and he broke a very vital partnership as well.

He hasn't been doing bad since his international call up. He's actually complimented the trio very well and his economy is better then naseem and shaheen in that match.

Don't get me wrong I don't think faheem is superior but he actually is a way better option then nawaz atm, and allows for haris and shaheen and naseem to bowl in the middle as well.
 
If every other qualified Pakistan bowler in the world was injured or unavailable and we couldn't convince any other retired bowler to return, then maybe Amir could be a back up option to someone from street cricket who plays for fun...
 
Faheem has been extremely economical since his return and has picked up a wicket here and their, let's see how he performs.
 
Babar will not disrupt the dressing room by bringing in a washed up toxic 135kph bowler who sold his country for a paycheck.
Sure, Amir made a mistake but it was on his captain's orders and Amir was a teenager then. He has been punished enough for that one error in judgement. Haven't you ever done something wrong?
 
Indians are always weak against left arm pacer who brings the ball in for RHB, imagine Shaheen and Amir opening the bowling against Rohit and co.

Shaheen , Amir, Naseem and Rauf would make a deadly multipronged pace attack . But in Pakistan , person issues/ego of the selectors take the priority and hence Amir has no chance of making a comeback .
 
Amir's ODI batting average is higher then Faheem Ashraf as well and there is no comparison in bowling.
 
Faheem is terrible but Aamir is not the answer. Said this earlier but PAK missed opportunity to try Amad Butt in NZ ODIs.
 
Sure, Amir made a mistake but it was on his captain's orders and Amir was a teenager then. He has been punished enough for that one error in judgement. Haven't you ever done something wrong?
There’s a difference between doing something wrong and corruption, which is a crime.
 
Selecting four pacers would lack a strategic advantage in India. If the intention is to include a fourth pacer, they should possess all-round batting skills. Avoiding the risk of a lengthy tail is imperative. My preference would be to stick with the Nawaz and Shadab combination.
 
Amir is retired therefore it is a non starter as an idea. Plus he has too much of a chip on his shoulder and sense of entitlement which is a bit much for someone who was jailed for corruption.
 
Anyone who would take this suggestion seriously is still living in 2017. He's light years past it.
 
He will be the best new ball bowler along with Shaheen if he gets selected, so why not give him a chance if we dont have Naseem Shah available for this worldcup?

Babar should set aside his ego and carefully consider who the best currently available option is.

We cant rely on Muhammad Waseem, Dahani and Zamaan etc.
 
Since Naseem Shah is out, I think he can be picked at the third seamer along with Shaheen and Haris but it seems very unlikely that he will play another match for Pakistan again. I don't think there are many people in PCB or Pakistan in general who wants him to play in the national team.
 
You have to hand it to Amir haters. They would argue that Amir isn’t fit enough to play 50 over cricket because all he is doing is playing T20

So how exactly does Zaman Khan fit in as a 50 over cricketer?
 
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It's time Zaka Ashraf.
Make the call. Revoke the suspension. Bring back the Great One.
 
Amir is retired therefore it is a non starter as an idea. Plus he has too much of a chip on his shoulder and sense of entitlement which is a bit much for someone who was jailed for corruption.
Ben Stokes was retired from ODI, team management reached out to him to unretire for the WC , Moeen had retired from test and was asked to unretire for the ashes, why can't Inzi and co , keep aside their ego and asked Amir to be available for the selection . There is no question , he will be a huge boost for the team.
 
Ben Stokes was retired from ODI, team management reached out to him to unretire for the WC , Moeen had retired from test and was asked to unretire for the ashes, why can't Inzi and co , keep aside their ego and asked Amir to be available for the selection . There is no question , he will be a huge boost for the team.
Thing is Ben Stokes didn't have a public fall out with his board. What message will PCB be giving to youngsters if they back down on their stance on Amir.

Amir might get a chance if another pacer gets injured then his selection might be justified in the sense that PCB can play the had no choice card.

As for he'll be a boost to the team, that's debatable. If he's a cause of more dressing room rifts then definitely not worth it.
 
Thing is Ben Stokes didn't have a public fall out with his board. What message will PCB be giving to youngsters if they back down on their stance on Amir.

Amir might get a chance if another pacer gets injured then his selection might be justified in the sense that PCB can play the had no choice card.

As for he'll be a boost to the team, that's debatable. If he's a cause of more dressing room rifts then definitely not worth it.
The message they will be giving is:

“If you are the real deal, the world will follow you.

BECOME THE REAL DEAL!

Step up and win your country big games!

Dunya tumhare kadham choome ghy”
 
The message they will be giving is:

“If you are the real deal, the world will follow you.

BECOME THE REAL DEAL!

Step up and win your country big games!

Dunya tumhare kadham choome ghy”
In reality the way it would work is all players will start throwing tantrums to get selected. Give enough attitude and bad mouth the board and you're in
 
In reality the way it would work is all players will start throwing tantrums to get selected. Give enough attitude and bad mouth the board and you're in
Amir hasn’t given any attitude for the past 3 years or so.

He had issues with 2 people

All of Pakistan hates those two people when it comes to cricket administration.
 
I'd be surprised if Babar wanted Amir or Imad in the squad.
 
Thing is Ben Stokes didn't have a public fall out with his board. What message will PCB be giving to youngsters if they back down on their stance on Amir.

Amir might get a chance if another pacer gets injured then his selection might be justified in the sense that PCB can play the had no choice card.

As for he'll be a boost to the team, that's debatable. If he's a cause of more dressing room rifts then definitely not worth it.
Ben Stokes was charged with assault with video evidence to prove it. Bringing him back in the first place, never mind this latest comeback - what message does that send to “youngsters”

England rightly did the correct thing because they are looking to win, not make some silly moral point especially when the PCB historically have been such an immoral board.
 
Amir hasn’t given any attitude for the past 3 years or so.

He had issues with 2 people

All of Pakistan hates those two people when it comes to cricket administration.
If you're referring to Misbah, you know he's not the one to hold a grudge. He's also bad mouthed Babar. Regardless, PCT has moved on from Amir. He doesn't have any recent performances to brag about. Not even sure if he's good enough to bowl 10 overs.
 
Ben Stokes was charged with assault with video evidence to prove it. Bringing him back in the first place, never mind this latest comeback - what message does that send to “youngsters”

England rightly did the correct thing because they are looking to win, not make some silly moral point especially when the PCB historically have been such an immoral board.
Yes and Amir was caught spot fixing. PCB has supported Amir more than ECB has supported Ben Stokes.

Your example just shows the difference in class between Amir and Stokes as human beings. Former turned out to be ungrateful, the later one made his chance count
 
If you're referring to Misbah, you know he's not the one to hold a grudge. He's also bad mouthed Babar. Regardless, PCT has moved on from Amir. He doesn't have any recent performances to brag about. Not even sure if he's good enough to bowl 10 overs.
Amir isn’t good enough to bowl 10 overs but Zaman Khan is???

And Dahani and Hasnain also???
 
Amir isn’t good enough to bowl 10 overs but Zaman Khan is???

And Dahani and Hasnain also???
It didn't have to be this way, but yes Amir is below the pecking order. All his own doing. I think he's content with his CT 2017 performance and that's what he wants to be remembered for. Won't try for more because he knows he's done
 
It didn't have to be this way, but yes Amir is below the pecking order. All his own doing. I think he's content with his CT 2017 performance and that's what he wants to be remembered for. Won't try for more because he knows he's done
So now you are acknowledging that there is no valid reason for Amir to not be there besides personal dislikes.

Well best of luck, Allah is the best of planners. He is watching
 
So now you are acknowledging that there is no valid reason for Amir to not be there besides personal dislikes.

Well best of luck, Allah is the best of planners. He is watching
He was the most loved person in Pakistan. If only he reciprocated that love and did what he was asked, he would've been in contention. There's no dislikes with him, he's sadly not the same bowler you're envisioning. This guy was taken to cleaners in the legends league
 
He was the most loved person in Pakistan. If only he reciprocated that love and did what he was asked, he would've been in contention. There's no dislikes with him, he's sadly not the same bowler you're envisioning. This guy was taken to cleaners in the legends league
But he is performing so well in a current professional standard league. There are plenty of West Indian and other international Test cricketers playing the CPL
 
But he is performing so well in a current professional standard league. There are plenty of West Indian and other international Test cricketers playing the CPL
A league of for countries that failed to qualify for the WC. In the context of ODIs, it's a minnow level competition at the moment.
 
A league of for countries that failed to qualify for the WC. In the context of ODIs, it's a minnow level competition at the moment.
Be careful about how you describe it.

By this logic, the BPL is a better standard than CPL, and Bangladesh are a better test nation than the West Indies.
 
i think he has left cricket now doing tabligh these days.

But yeah that's true he was a gun bowler.
I get he had his injury but still he should have earned at least one recall since recovery. His ODI numbers are outstanding

17 matches, 34 wickets at 18.6, 4.94 economy
 
On current form and with his WC record , Amir can walk into many upper ranked WC teams, only Pakistan even with depleted pace arrack don't want him, talk about putting the team/country first.
 
On current form and with his WC record , Amir can walk into many upper ranked WC teams, only Pakistan even with depleted pace arrack don't want him, talk about putting the team/country first.

He is injured. Think World Cup dream over unless he makes a recovery very soon.
 
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