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Mohammad Amir - Favourite scapegoat, no criticism of Shadab Khan, Hasan Ali or Mohammad Nawaz

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It looks like Mohammad Amir is the favorite punching bag of a segment of folks here.

The kind who hated on him when he was brought back, and still has a bias because of "fixing".

Okay, his form is bad right now, but what about your favorite saviors in Hasan Ali, Shadab, and now Nawaz?! They've been worse.

But still people love to hate on Amir.

If you want to hate, do it equally to all who are being woeful.
 
To be fair, majority of our bowlers have been awful, maybe out of form or even fatigue could be the issue. Maybe some of our key players could do with a break.
 
Bumrah bowled on this same pitch and was brilliant.

Why the savior Hasan Ali cannot bowl anything decent in this tournament?

Why must Amir be the only one to be hated on?
 
Our whole team is shot to pieces mentally. Mickey should be asked what's changed? I can emphatically say this brand of cricket would have resulted in us dropping a few ODIs to Zimbabwe D too.
 
hasan ali is worse than amir , all tak no show.

nawaz is a useless spinner .

To be fair, majority of our bowlers have been awful, maybe out of form or even fatigue could be the issue. Maybe some of our key players could do with a break.

True.

Or maybe it is the coach.

What is Azhar Mahmood doing? Why have we regressed so much in bowling?

These same bowlers were brilliant an year ago.
 
I don’t really blame any of these guys. They’ve had to play some pretty substandard competition prior to this tournament and that’s Justin led to a sense of complacency. They are still pretty young in their career - barring Amir.
 
Our whole team is shot to pieces mentally. Mickey should be asked what's changed? I can emphatically say this brand of cricket would have resulted in us dropping a few ODIs to Zimbabwe D too.

No. Playing Zimbabwe has hurt Pakistan.
 
Our whole team is shot to pieces mentally. Mickey should be asked what's changed? I can emphatically say this brand of cricket would have resulted in us dropping a few ODIs to Zimbabwe D too.

We must start questioning the coaching these folks are receiving. All the coaches.

Mickey
Azhar
The fielding one

Woeful. Who has answers?
 
People talk about IPL hurting Indian Cricket but i have the opposing view, i think India has benefited because look at the batsmen and bowlers.

Indian batsmen play at the average strike rate of 90-100 whereas bowlers like Bumrah know how to keep things tight.
 
They all seem to have struggled lately.... maybe recent successes were getting to their heads...
 
We must start questioning the coaching these folks are receiving. All the coaches.

Mickey
Azhar
The fielding one

Woeful. Who has answers?
Nothing to do with the coaches. Fear of failure is hurting them more than anything else. The attitude throughout this Asia Cup has been woeful to say the least.
 
Lol, playing inferior competition and then turning up against India was bound to give reality checks.
 
Shadab is incredibly overrated. A nothing cricketer minus his fielding, and poor teams like Pakistan cannot carry specialist fielders.
 
Pakistan has always played minnows and low ranked teams far more than competitive ones..

Yes and this gulf in quality of itinerary will widen. The big three will play each other often while the others will pick up the remaining scraps. Pcb needs to recognize that assess player performance accordingly.
 
More then the batting im dissapointed with the bowling. Speed is really low and no plan at all.

Need to get their act together!
 
Bumrah bowled on this same pitch and was brilliant.

Why the savior Hasan Ali cannot bowl anything decent in this tournament?

Why must Amir be the only one to be hated on?
It's amazing how a trundler like Bumrah can outperform our bowling power house.
 
Shadab is incredibly overrated. A nothing cricketer minus his fielding, and poor teams like Pakistan cannot carry specialist fielders.

Lets say he is not good enough ATM but he is around 20 years old. Cant chop and change all the time.
 
Yes and this gulf in quality of itinerary will widen. The big three will play each other often while the others will pick up the remaining scraps. Pcb needs to recognize that assess player performance accordingly.
If that's the case then you obv improve your domestic cricket and spend more money on it just like the South Africans did when they were banned.
 
Agreed, but at least Hasan and Shadab can wipe out minnows. Amir can't even do that nowadays, the man's finished. Hugely overrated and only shows up once in a blue moon when conditions suit him and it's a final or something.
 
Rubbish rhread. Amir is rightly getting a verbal pasting because he has been getting away scot free for a year based on the performances of other bowlers.

Yes the bowling unit has fared poorly this tournament, but that does not mean Amir will get away with his next to zero bowling performance.
 
It's amazing how a trundler like Bumrah can outperform our bowling power house.

Bumrah is no bum, he has played a lot of IPL and T-20 cricket and knows how to keep things tight and bowl defensively when wickets are not easy in friendly batting conditions. Something our bowlers can learn from.
 
Pakistani teams have historically been very weak mentally and this psychological issue is rearing it’s ugly head once again. Having a bowling coach like Azhar Mahmood doesn’t help either. But the main problem for me is Amir’s awful performance. His weak body language and attitude has contagious affect on the rest of the team. He is the main culprit and should be sent back to the domestic circuit. There’s only so long rubbish players can ride on past performances.
 
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I dont think people are only talking about last couple of games. Also none of the other bowlers are as hyped as amir. Also the other bowlers average less than amir in recent times
 
Shadab is incredibly overrated. A nothing cricketer minus his fielding, and poor teams like Pakistan cannot carry specialist fielders.
True. I will rather being Yasir in for world cup plans. At least he can turn more than this darter.
 
Really hurt and upset with this meek surrender first from the batsmen now the bowlers. Think it's time to take a few days off then hear mamoon constanlty rubbing it. A few pak posters didn't help with all the hype and cockiness either the Indians are laughing the loudest. Hasan has regressed this year shadab I will not.blame. He needs others to tighten the screws. Amir shinwari hasan have been mediocre at best. Not having a specialist spinner to bowl in tandem with shadab has hurt us alot too.

Amir needs to be dropped for 3-4 months minimum Hasan needs to fix up shinwari should only be picked on swinging pitches. Shaheen Junaid need to be given a longer run consistently. Need another decent spinner in squad. And another right handed fast bowler from domestic. Maybe ghulam muddasar??
 
If that's the case then you obv improve your domestic cricket and spend more money on it just like the South Africans did when they were banned.

Yeah, I mean I don’t disagree with that. But I think you need to be a little more ruthless with your selection. I mean surely Inzi and Mickey can see for example that imam is a slow slow odi batsman. I know it can seem unfair, but for most of the last 15 years of following cricket, I have always discounted Pakistan’s batting when perfoming against Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, and West Indies. Even after today’s performance I know that malik should reitre, but of course Managment and selectors cannot drop a ‘performing player’
 
Really hurt and upset with this meek surrender first from the batsmen now the bowlers. Think it's time to take a few days off then hear mamoon constanlty rubbing it. A few pak posters didn't help with all the hype and cockiness either the Indians are laughing the loudest. Hasan has regressed this year shadab I will not.blame. He needs others to tighten the screws. Amir shinwari hasan have been mediocre at best. Not having a specialist spinner to bowl in tandem with shadab has hurt us alot too.

Amir needs to be dropped for 3-4 months minimum Hasan needs to fix up shinwari should only be picked on swinging pitches. Shaheen Junaid need to be given a longer run consistently. Need another decent spinner in squad. And another right handed fast bowler from domestic. Maybe ghulam muddasar??
Is team ne banter ke qaabil bhi nahi chora humein :babar
 
Really hurt and upset with this meek surrender first from the batsmen now the bowlers. Think it's time to take a few days off then hear mamoon constanlty rubbing it. A few pak posters didn't help with all the hype and cockiness either the Indians are laughing the loudest. Hasan has regressed this year shadab I will not.blame. He needs others to tighten the screws. Amir shinwari hasan have been mediocre at best. Not having a specialist spinner to bowl in tandem with shadab has hurt us alot too.

Amir needs to be dropped for 3-4 months minimum Hasan needs to fix up shinwari should only be picked on swinging pitches. Shaheen Junaid need to be given a longer run consistently. Need another decent spinner in squad. And another right handed fast bowler from domestic. Maybe ghulam muddasar??

You can't drop the entire bowling attack, these same bowlers will look effective against Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Hong Kong, Afghanistan. They are simply bowling to one of the best batting line up's in India and what has hurt our team is playing mediocre opposition for the most part.
 
Against a team like India you have to put at least 300 on the board to put pressure on their batsmen then take some early wickets. What can the bowlers do when fielders don't back them up? Again Imam dropping Rohit was a crucial moment. These are mostly the same bowlers who won us the Champions Trophy.
 
Lol nice try. Amir has almost no good performance in ODIs since his comeback, he's living off of one performance against India a year ago. Hasan Ali, while not doing well now, has a year of solid performances behind him. He has earned his place in the team whereas Amir is just living off that one spell, just like wahab riaz did for so long.
 
Against a team like India you have to put at least 300 on the board to put pressure on their batsmen then take some early wickets. What can the bowlers do when fielders don't back them up? Again Imam dropping Rohit was a crucial moment. These are mostly the same bowlers who won us the Champions Trophy.

Well said.
 
Against a team like India you have to put at least 300 on the board to put pressure on their batsmen then take some early wickets. What can the bowlers do when fielders don't back them up? Again Imam dropping Rohit was a crucial moment. These are mostly the same bowlers who won us the Champions Trophy.

Even 300 runs is not enough. The Pakistani bowlers have to learn to keep the run rate down and build pressure, our bowling philosophy is outdated as well.
 
You can't drop the entire bowling attack, these same bowlers will look effective against Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Hong Kong, Afghanistan. They are simply bowling to one of the best batting line up's in India and what has hurt our team is playing mediocre opposition for the most part.

Iv only mentioned dropping amir and nawaz no other bowler. Hasan need to be in squad or maybe rested but not dropped. We need another right hander. Specialist spinner is a must. But amir should be deffo dropped indefinitely.
 
True.

Or maybe it is the coach.

What is Azhar Mahmood doing? Why have we regressed so much in bowling?

These same bowlers were brilliant an year ago.

To be fair the management might want to come out and provide us fans with some explanation for todays game. It seems like something is off with our players. They look extremely complacent barring Malik who seems to be showcasing his experience.
 
He has 1 wicket in his last 8 ODIs. That is abysmal by any standards. I think he should be expected to at least take a wicket a match if not more.
 
Players are fine. What pakistan requires is constant matches againist better teams. Playing Zim SL WI etc mostly doesnot make players better rather it makes them complacent. Also it hides their actual ability.

If Virat Kohli keeps playing WI Zim SL for a year he will too struggle againist the big teams.
 
You can't drop the entire bowling attack, these same bowlers will look effective against Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Hong Kong, Afghanistan. They are simply bowling to one of the best batting line up's in India and what has hurt our team is playing mediocre opposition for the most part.

No one apart from Shaheen and Nawaz in his first spell looked threatening against Afghanistan tbh.
 
Players are fine. What pakistan requires is constant matches againist better teams. Playing Zim SL WI etc mostly doesnot make players better rather it makes them complacent. Also it hides their actual ability.

If Virat Kohli keeps playing WI Zim SL for a year he will too struggle againist the big teams.

Good post.
 
Players are fine. What pakistan requires is constant matches againist better teams. Playing Zim SL WI etc mostly doesnot make players better rather it makes them complacent. Also it hides their actual ability.

If Virat Kohli keeps playing WI Zim SL for a year he will too struggle againist the big teams.

FTP's are planned well in advance, unfortunately are hands are tied there.

The biggest issue for me is Mickey Arthur's reactiveness as a coach, he is all talk about playing an aggressive modern brand of cricket but he keeps sticking with players like Azhar Ali, Imam ul Haq, Babar Azam, Shoaib Malik, Sarfaraz Ahmed, Harris Sohail i.e. players who start of their innings at an avg SR of 60-70 and if they are lucky to stay at the end they can raise their SR to 80-90 at best. Whereas most top teams now have batsmen who operate on average at a SR of 90 and then accelerate at 100-120 and have 2-3 players who can blast the ball from ball one.

The alarming thing for me is the bowling strategy. Everyone knows that these wickets are unsupportive for pacers and getting wickets on these pitches is going to be tough especially against a batting powerhouse like India but the bowlers are still blindly running in aggressively trying to strive for wickets without any plan and giving away boundaries and runs for free. Contrast this to Bumrah and Bhuvenshwar who don't give a damn about picking up early wickets but bowl wicket to wicket, bowl to their fields and have full confidence that the dot balls, poor run rate will force the batsmen to take suicidal risks and give their wickets away in the process. I guess it also helps that they know their batting line up is so good that they can chase most totals with relative ease and therefore they do not panic or wilt whenever they do bowl a few bad overs.

Pakistan simply needs to change its strategy for the modern game played today. What worked in the 90's will not work in 2018. We have seen and observed this for the last 10 years but our players and team management still do not learn and apply the lessons from their continous defeats to India in the last 10 plus years.
 
Unfortunately, these young lads have been more focused on social media and name brand outfits.

Hasan has really lost it all, it’s all about his hair cuts and social media posts.
 
Shadab to be honest needs to be putting the hard yards in domestic cricket and getting overs under his belt to become ready for test match cricket, that is the only way his bowling will become more disciplined and improved.
 
FTP's are planned well in advance, unfortunately are hands are tied there.

The biggest issue for me is Mickey Arthur's reactiveness as a coach, he is all talk about playing an aggressive modern brand of cricket but he keeps sticking with players like Azhar Ali, Imam ul Haq, Babar Azam, Shoaib Malik, Sarfaraz Ahmed, Harris Sohail i.e. players who start of their innings at an avg SR of 60-70 and if they are lucky to stay at the end they can raise their SR to 80-90 at best. Whereas most top teams now have batsmen who operate on average at a SR of 90 and then accelerate at 100-120 and have 2-3 players who can blast the ball from ball one.

The alarming thing for me is the bowling strategy. Everyone knows that these wickets are unsupportive for pacers and getting wickets on these pitches is going to be tough especially against a batting powerhouse like India but the bowlers are still blindly running in aggressively trying to strive for wickets without any plan and giving away boundaries and runs for free. Contrast this to Bumrah and Bhuvenshwar who don't give a damn about picking up early wickets but bowl wicket to wicket, bowl to their fields and have full confidence that the dot balls, poor run rate will force the batsmen to take suicidal risks and give their wickets away in the process. I guess it also helps that they know their batting line up is so good that they can chase most totals with relative ease and therefore they do not panic or wilt whenever they do bowl a few bad overs.

Pakistan simply needs to change its strategy for the modern game played today. What worked in the 90's will not work in 2018. We have seen and observed this for the last 10 years but our players and team management still do not learn and apply the lessons from their continous defeats to India in the last 10 plus years.

What you are saying is linked to [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] post which I think is spot on. You don't need a complex plan against minnows as you are not tested and know you beat them with talent and ability so when they do require a plan for a big game and Mickey probably sets one, the players don't know how to follow it since they're not regularly tested.

Batsmen bat how they wish and bowlers bowl how they want in games against minnows which is hard habit to get out of when you play against top teams.
 
None of these guys were ever that good except for Hassan; and Hassan has also regressed because of weak practice against weak teams.

Not only that, but historically these Pakistani youngstas get too happy after any sort of success and think they're some world beaters. After winning anything whether it's small or big(doesn't happen often), these kids get super hyped and resort to having fun and showing off.

This is professional sports and these Pakistanis don't treat it as such.

Shoaib Malik has seen all the success and failures in the past 20 years but he still maintains his determination and motivation. He's someone these youngsters should look up to in this regard, in terms of keeping oneself determined.

Letting success infiltrate your mentality leads to regression in your performance and activity.
 
This is not the end. Shadab and Hasan will continue to get thrashed. They have been fooling everyone. Nawaz is too inexperienced to be played in big matches and do well atm. Amir is struggling, yes, and based on his performance he doesn't deserve to play, but he's still much better and a smarter cricketer than these guys.
 
This is not the end. Shadab and Hasan will continue to get thrashed. They have been fooling everyone. Nawaz is too inexperienced to be played in big matches and do well atm. Amir is struggling, yes, and based on his performance he doesn't deserve to play, but he's still much better and a smarter cricketer than these guys.

Pakistani bowlers are still celebrating their champions trophy performance, even Rayudu can score a ton with his eyes closed
 
None of these guys were ever that good except for Hassan; and Hassan has also regressed because of weak practice against weak teams.

Not only that, but historically these Pakistani youngstas get too happy after any sort of success and think they're some world beaters. After winning anything whether it's small or big(doesn't happen often), these kids get super hyped and resort to having fun and showing off.

This is professional sports and these Pakistanis don't treat it as such.

Shoaib Malik has seen all the success and failures in the past 20 years but he still maintains his determination and motivation. He's someone these youngsters should look up to in this regard, in terms of keeping oneself determined.

Letting success infiltrate your mentality leads to regression in your performance and activity.

I always found Malik, Afridi and Hafeez criticizing Umar Akmal's work ethic in interviews. Hafeez when he captained Pakistan in Australia for a few ODI's stepping in for Azhar Ali complained to the PCB about Umar Akmal's attitude and in his opinion told them that he is just simply unwilling to change the way he approaches his cricket and his habits that he has developed.

Lol, even Micky Arthur wants nothing to do with Umar Akmal, even Umar Akmal's PSL sides wants nothing to do with him. Misbah has been very polite in his criticism against Umar Akmal and the only interview i saw him comment on him he mentioned that when he say him in 2008-2009 he was blown away by the level of shots he has at his disposal but was shocked at how badly he has regressed in every facet of the game.

But i am even more puzzled by Umar Akmal's attitude. Someone who has played for Pakistan for 10 years and being publicly riddiculed by his own players, by his own coaches and being kicked out of the team and given the message that you are not coming back automatically, you need to earn your place back in the team would surely by now have realized that he actually needs to change his attitude, bring changes to his batting and score mountains of runs to support his case for selection but it is as if he doesn't give a damn and is only relying on his contacts to get selected again.

This is not an Umar Akmal bashing post but my suspicion that the younger generation of Pakistani players have the same atttitude as him where they just lose their drive to work hard, to improve themselves once they get a few quid in the bank.
 
Firstly players need to be rested properly and not played against minnows. A second string side should be fielded against minnows to prepare back up.
 
He averages 106 since the last 10 matches and has only picked up 3 wickets. If your strike bowler does not pick off the opposition openers who will?

Why would anybody defend that? He averages 36 since his comeback on top of that. Nothing bowler unless the conditions suit him and since we play the majority of our games in the UAE he needs to be dropped.

Rightly a scapegoat considering he seems to be immune from criticism and being dropped
 
No point of pointing fingers here, barring Malik and maybe Asif, everyone played **** today. These are the players that we have and they are all capable. You get your wish and you chop and change to newer players, they too will experience losses like this to some level eventually and then the same chirping of chopping and changing will return. There's still an Asia Cup to be played for and the final most likely (fingers crossed) will be Pak vs Ind round 3. So until then, I suggest the knives should be put down.
 
I always found Malik, Afridi and Hafeez criticizing Umar Akmal's work ethic in interviews. Hafeez when he captained Pakistan in Australia for a few ODI's stepping in for Azhar Ali complained to the PCB about Umar Akmal's attitude and in his opinion told them that he is just simply unwilling to change the way he approaches his cricket and his habits that he has developed.

Lol, even Micky Arthur wants nothing to do with Umar Akmal, even Umar Akmal's PSL sides wants nothing to do with him. Misbah has been very polite in his criticism against Umar Akmal and the only interview i saw him comment on him he mentioned that when he say him in 2008-2009 he was blown away by the level of shots he has at his disposal but was shocked at how badly he has regressed in every facet of the game.

But i am even more puzzled by Umar Akmal's attitude. Someone who has played for Pakistan for 10 years and being publicly riddiculed by his own players, by his own coaches and being kicked out of the team and given the message that you are not coming back automatically, you need to earn your place back in the team would surely by now have realized that he actually needs to change his attitude, bring changes to his batting and score mountains of runs to support his case for selection but it is as if he doesn't give a damn and is only relying on his contacts to get selected again.

This is not an Umar Akmal bashing post but my suspicion that the younger generation of Pakistani players have the same atttitude as him where they just lose their drive to work hard, to improve themselves once they get a few quid in the bank.

I agree! As I said in another thread, Umar Akmal is a prime example of someone who lost his will after success got to his head and he became well-known. And as you said, the younger generation seems to be following suite. It's hard to motivate these guys once they achieve fame
 
Today was definitely a collective failure.

Malik was the only one to show up and play his heart out.
 
Agreed. Shadab, Hassan, Faheem and Nawaz are all talk no show. They share equal blame for awful bowling performance as Amir.
 
Even 300 runs is not enough. The Pakistani bowlers have to learn to keep the run rate down and build pressure, our bowling philosophy is outdated as well.

Exactly

Playing against weak oppositions has allowed our bowlers to get away with loose bowling. Against a line up like India's, or any other strong batting team you need to be defensive and slowly apply pressure on the other batsmen. These pitches aren't doing much either.
 
The things is, Pakistanis hype a player so much after a single performance. After Falhar scored a 100 in CT 17, he was being compared to Saeed Anwar. Same goes for Shadab and Hassan Ali, success has gotten to their heads. Pakistanis are just not capable of handling success with humbleness. They have to go over the top.
 
Average of Pakistan fast bowlers this year:

Mohammad Amir - 100.66
Hasan Ali - 31
Usman Khan - 16.96 (Hasn't done much in Asia cup though)
Faheem Ashraf - 19.18
Shaheen Shah Afridi - 40 (But he has just played 2 games and is just 18)
Junaid Khan - 24.66 (in 3 games)

So yes, Amir and Hasan need to get most of the criticism. Amir more so as he has just taken 3 wickets in 10 games.
 
Our whole team is shot to pieces mentally. Mickey should be asked what's changed? I can emphatically say this brand of cricket would have resulted in us dropping a few ODIs to Zimbabwe D too.

What about no change in PAK team, rather change in who they are playing against. Since 18 July 2017, this is Sarfraz's teams record in ODI

Under-strength No. 8 ranked team: WWWWW
Under-strength No. 4 ranked team: LLLLL
Reserve squad of No. 12 ranked team: WWWWW
Full-strength No. 4 ranked Associate: W
Under-strength No. 2 ranked team: L
Full-strength No. 10 ranked team: W
Under-strength No. 2 ranked team: L
 
Average of Pakistan fast bowlers this year:

Mohammad Amir - 100.66
Hasan Ali - 31
Usman Khan - 16.96 (Hasn't done much in Asia cup though)
Faheem Ashraf - 19.18
Shaheen Shah Afridi - 40 (But he has just played 2 games and is just 18)
Junaid Khan - 24.66 (in 3 games)

So yes, Amir and Hasan need to get most of the criticism. Amir more so as he has just taken 3 wickets in 10 games.

Thank you Giri, for the eye opener.

I hope Arthur takes a notice of your post and plays Fahim, Shinwary & JK against us on Wednesday.
 
Imam, Fahkar and Babar's stats are hurting, we need a 5 ODI series against Zib , Afgh, Ireland or DB ASAP.
 
I don't think the past few matches are due to a sudden wane in form. Neither is it because that we simply don't have the skills.

It's just due lack of self-belief and not being able to shoulder the burden of expectations. This young Pakistan team always performs when there aren't much expectations because they play their natural game and play it with liberty. As soon as some form of expectation is attached, we suddenly the opt for the more cautious route.

This was the case with Fakhar and Babar early on in the 1st innings, and Hasan and Shadab in the 2nd. Hasan, should've just been given the role of picking up wickets, regardless of the amount of runs he goes for. Instead, after a few overs, our bowlers were looking to stem the run flow.

Also, we need to do better planning and raise our awareness about the situation. Rohit is aplayer who banks on getting a shot through to get his feet moving and his innings started. By now it is pretty much a globally known fact that he likes playing the pull shot. Yet, in both our matches that's what we offered early up. Shinwari in the first and Hasan in the second.

I'm also pretty sure that Pakistan team's confidence in themselves has taken a hit. The confidence that Pakistan team assimilated after the CT and Sri Lanka series was absolutely destroyed in New Zealand. We gradually gained that back, but the last three games have again withered away some of it. The ease with which India won both games and the way Pakistan was panicking (esp in the field), gave the impression that Pakistan was the team that was coming off the back of the largest tournament final defeat, not India. Such cautious cricket was of the past and I always thought that attacking and passionate brand of cricket suits us much better.

By attacking, I don't mean the way Imam and Sarfraz got out in the first match against India. That was against the run of play and quite reckless. Pakistan team need to tread the zone of moderation. Players like Fakhar, Babar, and Asif are positive players and need to have the freedom to play their strokes. Imam, Malik and Sarfraz are the ones that should be a bit more cautious. About the bowling, I'm not bothered. Just need one or two good catches that will send a ring around the field, and the rhythm will click. Our bowlers are too good to be kept down for long.

Pakistan's chances in the final, In Sha Allah they will make it, will be heavily dependent on how we play Bangladesh. Momentum and rhythm is essential. Momentum into the final will allow us a launch pad to pounce on India and pressurize them into making mistakes and not just wait for them to do so.
 
Agreed. Shadab, Hassan, Faheem and Nawaz are all talk no show. They share equal blame for awful bowling performance as Amir.

Well the reasons for bashing Amir are justified because the other bowlers have done well compared to Amir who has been a passenger for a while. Should the other bowlers show poor form for an extended period they too will face the heat
 
Average of Pakistan fast bowlers this year:

Mohammad Amir - 100.66
Hasan Ali - 31
Usman Khan - 16.96 (Hasn't done much in Asia cup though)
Faheem Ashraf - 19.18
Shaheen Shah Afridi - 40 (But he has just played 2 games and is just 18)
Junaid Khan - 24.66 (in 3 games)

So yes, Amir and Hasan need to get most of the criticism. Amir more so as he has just taken 3 wickets in 10 games.

A bowling average of 30 is just about decent in todays era of flat pitches. A bowling average of 100 is ludicrous especially coming from a guy who is hyped to be a spearhead and setting the example for the others. Unfortunately from these stats alone you can clearly tell which bloke is a liability for his team mates.
 
A bowling average of 30 is just about decent in todays era of flat pitches. A bowling average of 100 is ludicrous especially coming from a guy who is hyped to be a spearhead and setting the example for the others. Unfortunately from these stats alone you can clearly tell which bloke is a liability for his team mates.

The reason I mentioned Hasan is because his only good performance this year has been against Zimbabwe. He has been a flop in Asia cup so far and he did poor in New Zealand as well earlier this year where he averaged 36.6 with a economy rate of 6.41. Yeah Amir was horrible against Zimbabwe.
 
The reason I mentioned Hasan is because his only good performance this year has been against Zimbabwe. He has been a flop in Asia cup so far and he did poor in New Zealand as well earlier this year where he averaged 36.6 with a economy rate of 6.41. Yeah Amir was horrible against Zimbabwe.

Micky Arthur mentioned that he saw Bumra practice those yorkers in the nets very hard which is why it was no surprise to see his perfect execution in the match. I wonder if our bowlers work on their bowling with the same intensity in the nets.
 
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