Mohammad Amir, Junaid Khan and Hasan Ali against India at the 2017 Champions Trophy

[KhalidRafi]

People here need to understand that Junaid is not the same bowler he was when he last toured India and had the Indians beaten with his impeccable swing, accuracy and control. Now he's a bowler who seems way past his prime, he's got a highly questionable action, lost all his pace and can barely crack it in the mid-130s. He can have moments of greatness, like he did in Australia, beating Warner with some good seam movement. But those moments are alas fleeting because he always almost always end up going for over 6 an over.

I'll even say Wahab will be a better option than him. Wahab generally steps up in big tournaments.

 

[Inswing]

I have a feeling that we might go with the four pacers Wahab , Junaid , Amir and Hassan and this should be our bowling lineup

 

[fazleefridi]

I have a feeling that we might go with the four pacers Wahab , Junaid , Amir and Hassan and this should be our bowling lineup

This should be your bowling line up

7.Imad
8.Fahim
9.Amir
10.Hassan
11.Junaid

4 seamers, with hafeez as second spinner, if required

 

[troodon]

Rohit and Dhawan are walking wickets.

Pak would be wise not to get Rahane out. He will waste a ton of deliveries for his 50.

Kohli is badly out of Form.

Yuvraj will score 20 runs at most and MSD will score his 40 or 50 runs at 60 S/R. In the end he will hit a couple of big blows and pretend he is still the best finisher.

Rest of the tail will not do much.

Basically Pak will be chasing a total no more than 250. It all depends on how Pak will handle this Indian bowling attack which has improved leaps and bounds.

Will not be easy for Pak against BK/Bumrah/Shami/Jaddu/Ashwin.

Bowling is India's strength now.

 

[srh]

I don't know why?, I have a bad feeling, that we might struggle against these 3 seamers.

Amir:Finding his rhythm, in the series against WI
Junaid:He did really well against us, in 2012. Yes, he's same, no more.
Hassan: A clever rookie, who has the knack of taking wickets.

Rohit(Inconsistent)
Dhawan(making a return)
Kohli(Junaid's bunny, and in worst form of his life)
Dhoni(Selfish)
Yuvi(Well past him prime, especially can't handle the swing in early june, in England)
Jadhav
Pandya(Blind slogger)
Jadeja

Amir and Junaid, could make the most of the new ball.

If Amir, bowls like that Asia cup spell, and Junaid like, 2012 spell, we are bound to surrender.

But one advantage is, we bat deep. Pandya at 7, Jadeja at 8 and Ashwin at 9.

What are your thoughts?

I am expecting at least one bowler (Junaid or Hasan) to give up 100 runs in the match

 

[hadi123]

The bowlers may cause you trouble but our batting is awful. We may as well give you the points now

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

I think lot will depend on Sarfi's captaincy.

More than anything, Indo-Pak big game is about handling pressure. India has handled the pressure well over these years. Even strong Pak sides have lost to India.

Sarfi needs to push his players hard (kind of what he did in WI). No drop catches, no tuk tuk bakwas batting etc. From his own side he should concentrate on his keeping, be proactive in filed placements and bowling changes.

 

[yasir]

You can't underestimate the pressure of the occassion. Those were some very experienced hands like Misbah Younis, who normally don't drop any...

Those drops were very fishy, by some very experience campaigners. Then they came to bat, and playing Yvi as if he is second coming of Warne, out of all players Misbah and YK were tuk-tuking part time spinners, who else they are going to hit?? - 260 was nothing score and these legends make it like 350

Icing on the cake was pre and post match series announcements, somebody sold something for sure...You just cannot loose such matches so easily...Don't get me started on that

 

[yasir]

Against India Pakistan has to play Wahab, along with Amir, Hasan, Immad and Shadab...Wahab is a big match player, handles pressure well, he raises his game much better than others, plus we need a fast bowler in our camp...You got to bowl into the ribcage at Dhoni/Raina at 148/150 clicks to stop them at death, dibly dobbly by Junaid will not work against Indians who like slower pace, Wahab is better option...Looking at how Tahir and Rashid are featuring in IPL, Shadab can be trump card, provided used earlier, rather than introduction at 25th over, which Sarfi has done against WI, a terrible mistake...Death bowling will be key, these guys(Amir,Wahab,Hasan) got to bowl ton of yorkers there is no two ways about it...Amir and Hasan need to bowl well upfront, if there is any swing on offer, Amir will extract it, if they can get Rohit and Kohli in first spell, that can be huge, its not impossible...

Batting is really a weak link, we have taken worse of the lot for CT...Hafeez, Shezad are worse openers in the entire CT, too much to expect from Babar. Malik will do better against India. Down order hitting is non-existent as well... Only hope is we bat first and somehow go 310/320 and get couple of early wickets... Well that's too much to happen in same day...I would like us to bat first for a change atleast

 

[Boi]

Disagree with those saying we should bat first. It's an early 10:30 start so we're better off bowling first and trying to get early wickets, especially Kohli to put them on the back foot. No point batting first, even if we get 280+, when the sun comes out in the afternoon Kohli will be in his comfort zone and chase it down just by himself as he usually does.

 

[Syed1]

Disagree with those saying we should bat first. It's an early 10:30 start so we're better off bowling first and trying to get early wickets, especially Kohli to put them on the back foot. No point batting first, even if we get 280+, when the sun comes out in the afternoon Kohli will be in his comfort zone and chase it down just by himself as he usually does.

There is also the small matter of us losing the toss.

 

[Hamza_]

Our first match is against India?

 

[captain crook]

India won't last against Hasan Ali and Amir. Imad will be useful too. Defeating India isn't a big deal if you get Kohli out early. He's the only good batsman in the team Take him out and India is more useless than Pakistan team.

 

[todfod 11]

Our first match is against India?

Good morning..

 

[todfod 11]

India won't last against Hasan Ali and Amir. Imad will be useful too. Defeating India isn't a big deal if you get Kohli out early. He's the only good batsman in the team Take him out and India is more useless than Pakistan team.

Why didnt you beat them in major tournament for past 30 years then??

 

[idrizzy]

India is going to bat first score 330 odd. Pakistan is going to begin the chase well, will go steady not ballistic but just enough to stay with the rate. Then will lose a couple of wickets and this will bring lots of tuk tuk and eventually the batsmen will succumb to the rising rate falling short by about a 100 runs.

Story of Ind v Pak matches.

 

[idrizzy]

Hasan yes, Amir yes, Junaid no, Wahab no, Imad yes, Shadab maybe. I'd play Hassan, Shadab, Amir, Wahab, Imad. Hasan is probably our most lethal bowler atm, especially in ODIs although Amir is now getting a lot better too. Wahab is a trash bowler but Junaid is worse. What he's done to earn a call up God knows what kind of drugs was put in whoevers tea, but it's a dumb selection. Would even start Faim ahead of him and maybe Wahab. India are actually looking bad individually but they'll click as a team in the CT and beat us regardless of who'll play. We're chokers vs India and that's that.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

It's a day match. The kookaburra is not gonna swing. I'm expecting a high scoring match.

what ball will they use for the CT? dukes?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

what ball will they use for the CT? dukes?

Kookaburra.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Disagree with those saying we should bat first. It's an early 10:30 start so we're better off bowling first and trying to get early wickets, especially Kohli to put them on the back foot. No point batting first, even if we get 280+, when the sun comes out in the afternoon Kohli will be in his comfort zone and chase it down just by himself as he usually does.

I agree, only chance for Pakistan is to bowl first and restrict them to a smallish total.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Would be interesting to see whether Pakistan goes with 4 pacers and 2 spinners or 3 pacers and 3 spinners.

 

[fazleefridi]

Would be interesting to see whether Pakistan goes with 4 pacers and 2 spinners or 3 pacers and 3 spinners.

Against us and SL, you should go with 4 Pacers.

7.IMAD
8.FAHIM
9.AMIR
10.HASSAN
11.JUNAID

Against RSA

7.IMAD
8.SHADAB
9.AMIR
10.HASSAN
11.JUNAID

Hafeez, as a 6th bowler, in all 3 matches.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Against us and SL, you should go with 4 Pacers.

7.IMAD
8.FAHIM
9.AMIR
10.HASSAN
11.JUNAID

Against RSA

7.IMAD
8.SHADAB
9.AMIR
10.HASSAN
11.JUNAID

Hafeez, as a 6th bowler, in all 3 matches.

I agree, but they would prefer Wahab Riaz over Fahim.

 

[waleed88]

The quality of the opposition is irrelevant in this context. In good bowling conditions, a quality pacer who has the skill and ability to swing the ball will swing it regardless of whether he is playing against Australia or Kenya. The only difference is, Australia will be much better equipped to negate his skill compared to Kenya. Against Australia, he might end up with 1/50 and against Kenya, he might end up with 5/25, but it doesn't mean that he will not able to swing the ball vs Australia.

Here, we are not talking about why Junaid had inferior figures to Morris (which are self-explanatory) but the fact that the latter showed a lot more skill with the ball in the same conditions. Almost every pacer who could bowl with the new ball out-bowled Junaid in that tournament, but I singled out Morris because he is not a top bowler. Junaid simply does not have the skill and the wrist to swing the new ball. He just doesn't have it; he is in the mould of Umar Gul. He can seam the ball around at times, which he famously did on a chilly December morning in Chennai with an SG ball on a grassy wicket. In addition, he can also reverse the ball but he hasn't been able to do it in the last couple of years because his paced has dropped considerably after the injuries.

These days, Junaid is cannon-fodder and a complete waste of space with the new ball. No pace, no swing, no seam, no control and above all, no bowling intelligence. He is a captain's nightmare, much like Gul post 2011. Inzamam has made big blunders as selector, but this certainly has been his biggest one.

Lets put it this way, if Dale Steyn had a mediocre World Cup, that doesnot mean he is a bad bowler (not saying Junaid is Dale Steyn here)

Secondly Junaid didn't have bad figures, a run rate of 4 in the first game, a run rate of 6 in the second..

There was not enough room for Junaid to perform.... now you are shifting goal posts by counting in the opposition, but what I referred to as my primary defence was that there were not enough runs to play with for Pakistan...

Secondly three games is not good enough to find out if a bowler is used to the conditions, when Junaid bowled against the WI he did decently, without picking up any wickets...

Same was the case against India, but when you are defending a little shy of 3-4 an over while only allowed 4 over spells (it was a rain hit game mind you)... you can't make a damning predicament based on that specially..

Was he dumped from the team on the basis of the CT performance? No. He carried on, was our best fast bowler against Lanka and won us the 2nd ODI vs South Africa in the death..

You can compare him to Gul, and there are similar traits, however he has done well since his comeback and deserves a shot in the squad... you can call it a blunder, but your chucking assessment has been a fail on him, and he has brought something to the team, which helped us win both ODIs against the WI, and the only ODI against Australia.. something which Wahab couldn't do

 

[waleed88]

On the contrary was Malik, Kamran Akmal and Imran Farhat dumped from the sides? Yes they were. Clearly people saw the obvious, that our batting let us down during the tournament... scores of 170, 160, and 160 odd vs india are not good enough for any ODI team that wants to play the top tournament.., Junaid wasn't a flop, but if you are expecting 5'fers from Junaid in every game you will end up being disappointed.. I'm not sure alot of fast bowlers got 5'fers in the tournament. I may be wrong

 

[waleed88]

Those drops were very fishy, by some very experience campaigners. Then they came to bat, and playing Yvi as if he is second coming of Warne, out of all players Misbah and YK were tuk-tuking part time spinners, who else they are going to hit?? - 260 was nothing score and these legends make it like 350

Icing on the cake was pre and post match series announcements, somebody sold something for sure...You just cannot loose such matches so easily...Don't get me started on that

It was a game of pressure, there is a video when Afridi finally caught Tendulkar, Misbah held his ear, and uthak bethak to Afridi, and held his legs and said sorry to Afridi.... I'm not sure what you are on about, and how much you hate our players for the defeat, but both teams played really poor cricket in that game, and that was mostly down to the pressure... THE WC semi final can have the effect on the best of the business.

Even Tendulkar had 5 dropped catches, and that is not something the man is known for... he was well below parr his usual standards

 

[Ellipsism]

On the contrary was Malik, Kamran Akmal and Imran Farhat dumped from the sides? Yes they were. Clearly people saw the obvious, that our batting let us down during the tournament... scores of 170, 160, and 160 odd vs india are not good enough for any ODI team that wants to play the top tournament.., Junaid wasn't a flop, but if you are expecting 5'fers from Junaid in every game you will end up being disappointed.. I'm not sure alot of fast bowlers got 5'fers in the tournament. I may be wrong

If averaging around 100 isn't flopping I don't know what is.

 

[waleed88]

If averaging around 100 isn't flopping I don't know what is.

Amir has been a bigger flop in my opinion, playing on foreign soil for a year compared to Junaid's 3 matches in England... and has only one 5'fer to show for it (none in ODIs mind you), despite bowling in all of the test matches, ODIs and t20s.. thats a bigger tragedy that fans can't seem to digest at the moment

 

[fazleefridi]

I agree, but they would prefer Wahab Riaz over Fahim.

Yes, they would.

But, I don't see any sense in it.

Wahab's figures would be:

10-67-2(with one wicket of a tail ender, not to forget atleast 4 no balls in it.)

Fahim's would be:

10-65-1 with added advantage of his batting

 

[waleed88]

If Amir can go on for a year without performance, and Wahab hasn't done anything of note in England, Australia and NZ, why the ridiculous expectations from Junaid?

 

[captain crook]

Why didnt you beat them in major tournament for past 30 years then??

We did beat them twice in Champions trophy in 2004 and 2009 in England and South Africa.

 

[Shafi]

Our players have timid mindset and lack of skill/qualities/talent. So I am expecting another one sided match. Thanks to Inzi. But our Indian friends always hype before the match.

 

[Ellipsism]

Amir has been a bigger flop in my opinion, playing on foreign soil for a year compared to Junaid's 3 matches in England... and has only one 5'fer to show for it (none in ODIs mind you), despite bowling in all of the test matches, ODIs and t20s.. thats a bigger tragedy that fans can't seem to digest at the moment

And Junaid's five-fer count... absolute zilch.

Amir's performances have been down right pathetic, but Junaid post knee injury has been even worse.

Junaid offers nothing with the ball apart from bowling gun barrel straight at 135 km/h.

 

[waleed88]

And Junaid's five-fer count... absolute zilch.

Amir's performances have been down right pathetic, but Junaid post knee injury has been even worse.

Junaid offers nothing with the ball apart from bowling gun barrel straight at 135 km/h.

Yet Amir continues to be on the team sheet, is our 'speahead'

Gun barrell straight at 135kmph, I'll take that if it gets us wickets.... pace is not everything, which is why Wahab Riaz has bowled consistently at a 150kmph and has blessed us with the highest figures by a bowler ever in ODIs atleast twice... including once where he conceded 115 in 10 overs, the highest ever by a bowler from any country

 

[waleed88]

Even Wahab's greatest ever fast bowling spell in World Cup read 9 overs for 54 runs and 2 wickets... so its cruel to right off Junaid based on the limited exposure he has had on foreign soil..

However this should be his last chance to perform and make a name for himself, no doubt about it

 

[Ultimate]

Even Wahab's greatest ever fast bowling spell in World Cup read 9 overs for 54 runs and 2 wickets... so its cruel to right off Junaid based on the limited exposure he has had on foreign soil..

However this should be his last chance to perform and make a name for himself, no doubt about it

This applies to the overrated Amir as well.

 

[Ellipsism]

Yet Amir continues to be on the team sheet, is our 'speahead'

Gun barrell straight at 135kmph, I'll take that if it gets us wickets.... pace is not everything, which is why Wahab Riaz has bowled consistently at a 150kmph and has blessed us with the highest figures by a bowler ever in ODIs atleast twice... including once where he conceded 115 in 10 overs, the highest ever by a bowler from any country

If your going to bowl gun barrel straight you have to be accurate and quick, none of which Junaid offers.

As if Junaid not being schooled by Bangladesh first and recently Australia is not enough to prove that he is no longer same bowler- not that he was some ATG in the making before his injury either.

 

[waleed88]

If your going to bowl gun barrel straight you have to be accurate and quick, none of which Junaid offers.

As if Junaid not being schooled by Bangladesh first and recently Australia is not enough to prove that he is no longer same bowler- not that he was some ATG in the making before his injury either.

Yes, he still has done as good as Amir, however he isn't as economical as he used to be, however both have been outshone by Hassan Ali, who is without a doubt our best bowler at the moment.

Amir has no 4'fer in ODIs let alone a 5'fer...

Whereas Wahab has been dumped after sorry performances in Australia and England, the latter where the event is being held, I still feel Junaid has something to offer which clearly Wahab doesn't. He is a thinking bowler which Wahab is not..

 

[todfod 11]

We did beat them twice in Champions trophy in 2004 and 2009 in England and South Africa.

very big achievement isnt it...
Also with two clowns (dhehzad and hafeez) plus Azhar pak isnt going anywhere.. Be prepared pls

 

[ammar_merry]

Reports are that Mohammad Amir considering test retirement to prolong limited overs career.

 

[captain crook]

very big achievement isnt it...
Also with two clowns (dhehzad and hafeez) plus Azhar pak isnt going anywhere.. Be prepared pls

No need to get bitter. We always bettered India in CT and that is how records stand

 

[todfod 11]

No need to get bitter. We always bettered India in CT and that is how records stand

After this champ trophy match you wouldnt have this reason to celebrate.. ��

 

[Hamza_]

Reports are that Mohammad Amir considering test retirement to prolong limited overs career.

What???

 

[captain crook]

After this champ trophy match you wouldnt have this reason to celebrate.. ��

Haha.. bring it on!

 

[captain crook]

Reports are that Mohammad Amir considering test retirement to prolong limited overs career.

Damn, source?!!

 

[Syed1]

After this champ trophy match you wouldnt have this reason to celebrate.. ��

There is glass half full, glass half empty and then there is todfod which is glass completely empty.

 

[Syed1]

If your going to bowl gun barrel straight you have to be accurate and quick, none of which Junaid offers.

As if Junaid not being schooled by Bangladesh first and recently Australia is not enough to prove that he is no longer same bowler- not that he was some ATG in the making before his injury either.

Junaid is horrendous but he is still miles ahead of "phasst" Wahab.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Pakistan are better of taking a punt on Fahim as the third seamer

 

[Mamoon]

Lets put it this way, if Dale Steyn had a mediocre World Cup, that doesnot mean he is a bad bowler (not saying Junaid is Dale Steyn here)

Secondly Junaid didn't have bad figures, a run rate of 4 in the first game, a run rate of 6 in the second..

There was not enough room for Junaid to perform.... now you are shifting goal posts by counting in the opposition, but what I referred to as my primary defence was that there were not enough runs to play with for Pakistan...

Secondly three games is not good enough to find out if a bowler is used to the conditions, when Junaid bowled against the WI he did decently, without picking up any wickets...

Same was the case against India, but when you are defending a little shy of 3-4 an over while only allowed 4 over spells (it was a rain hit game mind you)... you can't make a damning predicament based on that specially..

Was he dumped from the team on the basis of the CT performance? No. He carried on, was our best fast bowler against Lanka and won us the 2nd ODI vs South Africa in the death..

You can compare him to Gul, and there are similar traits, however he has done well since his comeback and deserves a shot in the squad... you can call it a blunder, but your chucking assessment has been a fail on him, and he has brought something to the team, which helped us win both ODIs against the WI, and the only ODI against Australia.. something which Wahab couldn't do

Oh bhai, what goalposts? Please refer to my original post. I never said anything about his average/SR in the Champions Trophy or his overall figures; I simply pointed out the fact that he was unable to swing the ball in bowling-friendly conditions, which exposed his skill-level. Again, the ability to swing the ball has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition. Junaid wasn't dropped post the Champions Trophy, but that tournament exposed his skill-level because for the first time in his career, his inability to swing the new ball came to the fore, since he had largely played in different conditions prior to that. If he is slightly better than Wahab then it is no achievement at all. Both are rubbish and should not be in the team.

As far as his action is concerned, it is not just me. Most of the people here have doubts over the legality of action except for his fans. However, the same people who are doubting his action have a good track-record in identifying chuckers while the same people who are defending him, are the ones who defended Ajmal as well. Whether he will be suspended or not, is a different matter altogether.

 

[waleed88]

Oh bhai, what goalposts? Please refer to my original post. I never said anything about his average/SR in the Champions Trophy or his overall figures; I simply pointed out the fact that he was unable to swing the ball in bowling-friendly conditions, which exposed his skill-level. Again, the ability to swing the ball has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition. Junaid wasn't dropped post the Champions Trophy, but that tournament exposed his skill-level because for the first time in his career, his inability to swing the new ball came to the fore, since he had largely played in different conditions prior to that. If he is slightly better than Wahab then it is no achievement at all. Both are rubbish and should not be in the team.

As far as his action is concerned, it is not just me. Most of the people here have doubts over the legality of action except for his fans. However, the same people who are doubting his action have a good track-record in identifying chuckers while the same people who are defending him, are the ones who defended Ajmal as well. Whether he will be suspended or not, is a different matter altogether.

So Amir hasn't been swinging in English conditions all over the summer whether it be test matches, t20s or ODIs? Does that mean he is below average or he can't swing the ball at all? You must be some genius to figure that out in 3 games...

 

[Mamoon]

So Amir hasn't been swinging in English conditions all over the summer whether it be test matches, t20s or ODIs? Does that mean he is below average or he can't swing the ball at all? You must be some genius to figure that out in 3 games...

Amir swung the ball like a banana in 2010 when the conditions were great for bowling. He also made the Indian batsmen hop in the Asia Cup last year on a green pitch. In this ongoing Test series, he has swung the ball when it has been on offer. Yes he has been a flat tyre on flat wickets with the sun out, but he has always made use of good conditions unlike Junaid, who has 'never' swung the new ball conventionally. Never. Last summer in England, the conditions were not conductive for fast bowling, which is why we drew the series.

 

[waleed88]

Amir swung the ball like a banana in 2010 when the conditions were great for bowling. He also made the Indian batsmen hop in the Asia Cup last year on a green pitch. In this ongoing Test series, he has swung the ball when it has been on offer. Yes he has been a flat tyre on flat wickets with the sun out, but he has always made use of good conditions unlike Junaid, who has 'never' swung the new ball conventionally. Never. Last summer in England, the conditions were not conductive for fast bowling, which is why we drew the series.

Please stick to the relevant Amir I was talking about the one that is present from 2016, Banana swing or no swing, one t20 game in Bangladesh doesn't define Amir as the bowler who can swing it in any conditions, just like Junaid's one off performance against India make him the next Wasim Akram.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

If fielders take their catches bowlers will get wickets. Ali and Amir are world class.

 

[Speedster777]

Sarfraz, Imad, Shadab, Hassan Ali, Babar are not timid they're fighters I expect this team to perform at par with India. It's the oldies hafeez, akmals, azhar and shehzads who lose it under pressure they are worrying factor.

 

[waleed88]

Amir swung the ball like a banana in 2010 when the conditions were great for bowling. He also made the Indian batsmen hop in the Asia Cup last year on a green pitch. In this ongoing Test series, he has swung the ball when it has been on offer. Yes he has been a flat tyre on flat wickets with the sun out, but he has always made use of good conditions unlike Junaid, who has 'never' swung the new ball conventionally. Never. Last summer in England, the conditions were not conductive for fast bowling, which is why we drew the series.

I like your bias, but unfortunately you are wrong, Junaid swung it as much as Amir vs Australia. Whereas Amir has been bowling in foreign conditions for a year now. NZ, Aus, Eng, and finally he gets it right vs the minnows. I wouldn't look too much into it, if you want to compare 2010 Amir vs Junaid you won't get too far, because even the current Amir doesn't swing it like he used to.

All this shows is there has been a deterioration in the talent of both, however both cannot be ruled out as washups completely, which is why both are still in the squad of CT 2017.

 

[todfod 11]

There is glass half full, glass half empty and then there is todfod which is glass completely empty.

My glass is empty or full but atleast i m being honest.. and not like thali ka baigan.. one day roll one side and then second day u roll to another side..

 

[todfod 11]

Haha.. bring it on!

For sure my brother...

 

[fazleefridi]

If fielders take their catches bowlers will get wickets. Ali and Amir are world class.

Both are good, but not world class.

Hasan, would be expensive, i reckon.

 

[fazleefridi]

We might find it tough, if ur bowlers get some help off the pitch, and has some cloud cover

 

[Rayyman]

Junaid might be the worst bowler in the tournament. I hope he proves me wrong though. He does have an X-factor on his day.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Amir swung the ball like a banana in 2010 when the conditions were great for bowling. He also made the Indian batsmen hop in the Asia Cup last year on a green pitch. In this ongoing Test series, he has swung the ball when it has been on offer. Yes he has been a flat tyre on flat wickets with the sun out, but he has always made use of good conditions unlike Junaid, who has 'never' swung the new ball conventionally. Never. Last summer in England, the conditions were not conductive for fast bowling, which is why we drew the series.

(going off-topic here)
I know you find it hard to swallow but Pakistan played phenomenal cricket to draw in England. For a contrast check how pathetic Indians were/are whenever they visit Eng

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Amir : 32 ODIs (very few since comeback)

Hasan: 16 ODIs (Rookie)

Junaid: 58 ODIs (The senior of 3 but very out of touch)

106 games between all three


Barring an individual motm performance, I expect India to set a good target for us to fall short. Or us to set something pathetic which will chase down in 45th

 

[fazleefridi]

Getting excited

 

[Dr_Green]

Don't understand the hate for Junaid Khan, his is world class , as shown by his performances in domestic counties , test series and series vs India, albeit he has injury/lost form but he was getting back to his groove last series and I expect him to be at his best in England

 

[Mamoon]

Wonderful to see that Junaid has been left out of the 12 man squad for tomorrow's game. Hopefully, he won't get a game in this tournament. Can't afford to carry serial match-losers when we have hardly got any serial match-winners.

 

[captain crook]

Wonderful to see that Junaid has been left out of the 12 man squad for tomorrow's game. Hopefully, he won't get a game in this tournament. Can't afford to carry serial match-losers when we have hardly got any serial match-winners.

He is still better than Wahab!

 

[Mamoon]

He is still better than Wahab!

Both are rubbish. However, Wahab is better in the field and he can connect a few slogs every 10-15 innings.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Clearly Lahore Lobby at work here, they couldn't afford to see their beloved Wahab sit out this mega event so they forced it upon the team to play this garbage bowler.

Plus this obsession with pace will come and bite us in the rear tomorrow.....

 

[Syed1]

Clearly Lahore Lobby at work here, they couldn't afford to see their beloved Wahab sit out this mega event so they forced it upon the team to play this garbage bowler.

Plus this obsession with pace will come and bite us in the rear tomorrow.....

Wahab seems to have some serious backing from high quarters. A guy as pathetic as him and keeps finding a spot in the side.

 

[saeed5646]

wahab raiz is golden boy after hafeez keep getting selecting without merit.pathetic from

sarfraz and mickey

 

[dauntless]

Thankfully trundler junaid is not playing tomorrow wahab hasan and amir are good enough bowlers to restrict opposition.They will pose a serious threat and indian batsman won't be handling these guys easily.With wahab now I m more confident of these guys doing well.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

On 18th June, it was not Amir, Junaid and Hassan vs India. Rather, Amir vs India.

Waiting to take revenge at the Asia cup and 2019 WC.

 

[babajee]

Hasan will get Kohli next time.

 

[Syed1]

On 18th June, it was not Amir, Junaid and Hassan vs India. Rather, Amir vs India.

Waiting to take revenge at the Asia cup and 2019 WC.

That's where you are wrong. It was indeed Amir + Junaid + Hasan vs India.


I know it'll be painful but go back and watch the highlights of the match. While Amir was picking up wickets at the other end Junaid was going at 3 rpo keeping up the pressure and resulting in ever increasing required rate.This in turn was forcing the bats to attack Amir as well. Check Dhawan's and Kohli's dismissals both shots were off batsman desperate to score runs. Had Junaid been going at 9-10rpo Indian batsmen would have just looked to see off Amir's spell. Sort of like in football where when a goal is scored all your attention is at the goal scorer but you don't realize how some of the other players influenced the play off-the-ball by their positioning and runs.


Also when Hasan came on India were down but not exactly out yet, he came in and I think took out one or two quick wickets which broke the back of India.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Hasan will get Kohli next time.

Kohli will smack him just like in ct group match.
He isn't the bowler who can trouble kohli, amir is.

 

[babajee]

Kohli will smack him just like in ct group match.
He isn't the bowler who can trouble kohli, amir is.

He actually contained Kohli very well until he lost the plot in the death overs. Almost 40 runs in 3 overs

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

He actually contained Kohli very well until he lost the plot in the death overs. Almost 40 runs in 3 overs

Ya he isn't a good death over bowler. Even faheem is a better death overs bowler than hassan according to me.

 

[babajee]

Ya he isn't a good death over bowler. Even faheem is a better death overs bowler than hassan according to me.

Then you don’t know