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Mohammad Hafeez : "I am blessed to be very good in all three facets of the game"

Hafeez is a certified minnow basher.People's admittance here doesn't matter as it is apparently evident from his record outside Asia.Scoring a double ton where a guy like Imrul Kayes scores 150 as one of the posters mentioned above sums up his capability as well as worth.In addition,most of his ODI and Test centuries are against the likes of Zimbabwe,Bangladesh,West Indies and Sri lanka.And scoring 196 against NZ on flat decks of UAE isn't a big achievement.Misbah also scored the fast test century against the best bowling attack in the world so what should he be considered,a ATG.The same posters who claim Hafeez to be something special refrain from giving Misbah the credit for the fastest test century by blaming the flat decks.Hafeez is a proven mediocore FTB and can only bat in Asian conditions to save his life.
 
According to this naive logic:

Only the wickets spinners take in unhelpful conditions should be counted, i.e, Australia, SA, NZ, WI and England.

And only the wickets pacers take in unhelpful conditions should be counted, i.e, UAE, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

Seems fair, right?
 
mussu-100 said:
According to this naive logic:

Only the wickets spinners take in unhelpful conditions should be counted, i.e, Australia, SA, NZ, WI and England.

And only the wickets pacers take in unhelpful conditions should be counted, i.e, UAE, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

Seems fair, right?
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Is this post in reply to mine?
 
Mamoon said:
Yeah lol. Flat or not, he has been a reincarnate of Sehwag since the start of the NZ Test series. Can't see anyone else in the country score 190 and 200 at 60+ SR.
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Yeah, he's been doing well recently in Tests, which is good to see, but again, don't think he'll be able to replicate this in England, NZ, SA or AUS.
 
Ahson Afzal said:
Yeah, he's been doing well recently in Tests, which is good to see, but again, don't think he'll be able to replicate this in England, NZ, SA or AUS.
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But no one in Pakistan can or will, which is why some of the criticism directed at him is OTT.

By Pakistani standards, he is not half as bad as he is made out to be.
 
At this very moment this discussion is extremely pointless and futile, whether Hafeez is actually blessed in all three facets of the game does not matter right now because currently his services are valuable in context of the fact that the guys coming through the system are somewhat inferior to Hafeez and whatever ability he holds with the Bat/Bowl/Field. Having said that I fully second [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] on the notion that since our options are currently limited Hafeez makes the team on Merit in all three formats. This is extremely painful to write and to digest for me but the bitter truth is Hafeez is outperforming people who are playing for his spot and unless and until someone comes and gives us the same utility that he provides with both bat and bowl he is staying in the side.

Since somebody already pointed out Manzoor, Jamshed, Farhat, Shan, and Taufeeq are his replacements I don't see anyone among them to actually be good enough or impact-full enough to make Hafeez go and Sami did play the test match as well making a grand total of 20 odd runs to show us that Hafeez is superior of the two batsman at this point in time. I do understand this was his debut game but a mere 20 runs won't cut it at all. In the long run Sami might comfortably outperform Hafeez in all conditions but until we get someone to consistently perform better than him, like it or not, Hafeez is staying.

If you ask me personally right now the only two people who can outperform him are the opening pair of Shehzad and Fawad who are both, temperament and ability wise, better than Hafeez. I know people would now state how Fawad has zero technique but the way he plays is quite suited for tests and he has the same ability (MBA-FTB); I read this term in another thread today on PP means (Mediocre Bowling Attack - Flat Track Bully), and since this is Bangladesh Shezzi and Fawad could have done what Hafeez did here with if not more than as much as ease also.

Nevertheless, Hafeez is here to stay until we find someone better and by the looks of how everyone is performing around him it looks like no one in the immediate future can take his spot.
 
Why depend upon him on tours of aus eng ,nz etc when you have don bradman and sachin esque players waiting in line to replace him...
You have got misbah...who is the saviour...he will solely win you matches in aus and eng
 
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Anis said:
Why depend upon him on tours of aus eng ,nz etc when you have don bradman and sachin esque players waiting in line to replace him...
You have got misbah...who is the saviour...he will solely win you matches in aus and eng
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No one is relying upon him on those vital tours because we all know what is gonna be the eventual result.Who knows even he will last that longer.He didn't perform in the ODI matches against Bangladesh where he was the most senior and able batsmen,where we needed him the most.He isn't a reliable batsmen either.
 
Hawkeye said:
Hafeez fans having a field day.

But they've earned it, so enjoy your day folks. :P

His Bangla bashing was needed in this match.
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Fineline said:
No one is relying upon him on those vital tours because we all know what is gonna be the eventual result.Who knows even he will last that longer.He didn't perform in the ODI matches against Bangladesh where he was the most senior and able batsmen,where we needed him the most.He isn't a reliable batsmen either.
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Bhai selfish misbah retired ab Hafeez ki jaan chor do!
 
Hawkeye said:
Hafeez fans having a field day.

But they've earned it, so enjoy your day folks. :P

His Bangla bashing was needed in this match.
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mussu-100 said:
Love the way he is disregarding everyone who supports Hafeez as 'fanboys'.
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Exactly and Scored 89 vs NZ in NZ this year where England Sri Lanka and even Australia were murdered by NZ bowlers!
Some people wil never raise their standards
 
Khizr96 said:
Misbah was too much selfish!Nothing like him ��
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Hafeez was more of a cunning guy.He isn't anymore.For instance,he failed miserably against SA(Styen to be precise)in the test matches an then went onto to make a fascinating 88 or something in the T20's where he was the captain.
 
Ahson Afzal said:
Yeah, he's been doing well recently in Tests, which is good to see, but again, don't think he'll be able to replicate this in England, NZ, SA or AUS.
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yes Misbah and Azhar did replicated that in SA by averaging under 20 in the test series and YK and Shafiq with one decent innings.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
If you ask me personally right now the only two people who can outperform him are the opening pair of Shehzad and Fawad who are both, temperament and ability wise, better than Hafeez. I know people would now state how Fawad has zero technique but the way he plays is quite suited for tests and he has the same ability (MBA-FTB); I read this term in another thread today on PP means (Mediocre Bowling Attack - Flat Track Bully), and since this is Bangladesh Shezzi and Fawad could have done what Hafeez did here with if not more than as much as ease also.

Nevertheless, Hafeez is here to stay until we find someone better and by the looks of how everyone is performing around him it looks like no one in the immediate future can take his spot.
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Shehzad, Manzoor are very much capable of replacing Hafeez as an opener. They'll be relatively more consistent as well.

Both may be FTBs, but none of them is MBA-FTB (this term is coined by legendary [MENTION=452]Majid Khan[/MENTION] for legendary opening batsman Mohammad Hafeez :P).

Not to mention Sami and Babar, who should be given a long rope at opening.

Who in cricket's history has averaged 40+ against mediocre attacks on Asian decks, while averaging a mighty 16 away? Overseas.

It's simply a disgrace to the term 'opener/top order batsman', when taken along with Hafeez. I will not have many problems if he can be moved down like Moeen Ali, and treated as a bowling allrounder.
 
Hafeez is the best all rounder Pakistan have at the moment. Haters needs to live with it.
 
MRSN said:
Hafeez is the best all rounder Pakistan have at the moment. Haters needs to live with it.
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I didn't deny that.He is the best we have and we should avail the maximum from whatever is left in him.But the problem is that his 224 is hyped like he has scored that against Styen or SA bowling attack.Not to forget his outraging performance in the ODI's an because of that,he had to make a comeback in order to firmly cement his place.So,why so much glorification of that 224?
 
Fineline said:
I didn't deny that.He is the best we have and we should avail the maximum from whatever is left in him.But the problem is that his 224 is hyped like he has scored that against Styen or SA bowling attack.Not to forget his outraging performance in the ODI's an because of that,he had to make a comeback in order to firmly cement his place.So,why so much glorification of that 224?
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Hafeez has been terrific in last 3 tests irrespective of the opposition. He scored at a Bradman esque against NZ who is a very very good bowling side these days. He is being consistent in test format for now.
 
Hawkeye said:
Hafeez fans having a field day.

But they've earned it, so enjoy your day folks. :P

His Bangla bashing was needed in this match.
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Hawkeye said:
Shehzad, Manzoor are very much capable of replacing Hafeez as an opener. They'll be relatively more consistent as well.

Both may be FTBs, but none of them is MBA-FTB (this term is coined by legendary [MENTION=452]Majid Khan[/MENTION] for legendary opening batsman Mohammad Hafeez :P).

Not to mention Sami and Babar, who should be given a long rope at opening.

Who in cricket's history has averaged 40+ against mediocre attacks on Asian decks, while averaging a mighty 16 away? Overseas.

It's simply a disgrace to the term 'opener/top order batsman', when taken along with Hafeez. I will not have many problems if he can be moved down like Moeen Ali, and treated as a bowling allrounder.
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Are u drunk? Or missing tuk tuk too much these days?
Manzoor better than Hafeez LOL guy cant score decent runs against Lanka last series
get a life!your misbahs retired now find another guy😂😂
 
MRSN said:
Hafeez has been terrific in last 3 tests irrespective of the opposition. He scored at a Bradman esque against NZ who is a very very good bowling side these days. He is being consistent in test format for now.
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Consistency is what I in fact everyone wants from him.If he brings the same consistency in ODI's and start performing better in tough conditions instead of scoring tons on flat tracks which he has mostly and effectively done in his career then only his haters would start praising him.No one hates someone for no reason.
 
Hawkeye said:
Hafeez fans having a field day.

But they've earned it, so enjoy your day folks. :P

His Bangla bashing was needed in this match.
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Fineline said:
Hafeez was more of a cunning guy.He isn't anymore.For instance,he failed miserably against SA(Styen to be precise)in the test matches an then went onto to make a fascinating 88 or something in the T20's where he was the captain.
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Wow xo now your admitti g Hafeez had the potential to score overseas but he didnt?
Sucha stupid poster!
 
Why so much hate guys? Hate for Hafeez, hate for Misbah, hate for everyone. Just support the names on the teamsheet please.
 
Khizr96 said:
Wow xo now your admitti g Hafeez had the potential to score overseas but he didnt?
Sucha stupid poster!
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Hafeez having potential to score overseas is the funniest joke I have ever heard.Hafeez didn't deliberately failed against SA in tests but he tried his best not to fail in the T20's where he was the captain.That's my point.There are many other examples but your blind love for Hafeez would overlook all.
Thank's for calling me stupid!I love compliments whether in my favor or not!
 
Fineline said:
Hafeez having potential to score overseas is the funniest joke I have ever heard.Hafeez didn't deliberately failed against SA in tests but he tried his best not to fail in the T20's where he was the captain.That's my point.There are many other examples but your blind love for Hafeez would overlook all.
Thank's for calling me stupid!I love compliments whether in my favor or not!
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Umm so he didn't deliberately fail in the Tests, but he deliberately scored runs in the T20's because he was captain?!?

Couldn't it possibly be because he is a superior T20 batsman?
 
mussu-100 said:
Not specifically for you, but you are one of those people, so I guess so.
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I don't support inconsistent guys like Afridi and Hafeez.The way people blindly hype their once in a blue moon performances is pretty idiotic.The same Hafeez had miserably failed in the ODI's and the supporters had vanished from PP like they never joined.
 
mussu-100 said:
Umm so he didn't deliberately fail in the Tests, but he deliberately scored runs in the T20's because he was captain?!?

Couldn't it possibly be because he is a superior T20 batsman?
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Superior T20 batsman?Bro,T20's are always played on flat tracks if I am not wrong and we all know how a cheetah Hafeez becomes whenever rendered flat decks.And performance in that bunny format only counts for youngsters to be able to promoted to a superior format not for old horse like Hafeez.
 
Fineline said:
I don't support inconsistent guys like Afridi and Hafeez.The way people blindly hype their once in a blue moon performances is pretty idiotic.The same Hafeez had miserably failed in the ODI's and the supporters had vanished from PP like they never joined.
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What a ridiculous post. Scoring 15 hundreds in the last 5 years is not inconsistent. And to be the most economical bowler in the world you need to show up pretty much every game.

Who's ever blindly hyped Hafeez's performances other than a couple of people. Most people just go 'meh'. Really don't know what youre talking about.
 
mussu-100 said:
What a ridiculous post. Scoring 15 hundreds in the last 5 years is not inconsistent. And to be the most economical bowler in the world you need to show up pretty much every game.

Who's ever blindly hyped Hafeez's performances other than a couple of people. Most people just go 'meh'. Really don't know what youre talking about.
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That 15 hundreds have been scored inconsistently and mostly against the likes of Zimbabwe,Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.Kindly,Check out how many ODI tons he has against Sri lanka and Zimababwe on roads.Don't know how you find Hafeez consistent in ODI's and test format.This thread alone has numerous blind Hafeez supporters as ever.They suddenly appear when Hafeez is in some good nick.
 
Fineline said:
Superior T20 batsman?Bro,T20's are always played on flat tracks if I am not wrong and we all know how a cheetah Hafeez becomes whenever rendered flat decks.And performance in that bunny format only counts for youngsters to be able to promoted to a superior format not for old horse like Hafeez.
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If you took a poll around the end of 2013/beginning of 2014 as to who the best T20 player in the world was, most people would say Mohammad Hafeez.

Yes, maybe the flat decks are there because 90% of the wickets nowadays ARE FLAT. And the same wickets are used for test matches and t20's, it's just that our batsman dont have the ability to play long innings' against good bowlers. Hafeez on the other hand was a T20 beast in 2013. Flat deck or not.

Bunny format is your opinion, not mine, and not the rest of the worlds.
 
Fineline said:
That 15 hundreds have been scored inconsistently and mostly against the likes of Zimbabwe,Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.Kindly,Check out how many ODI tons he has against Sri lanka and Zimababwe on roads.Don't know how you find Hafeez consistent in ODI's and test format.This thread alone has numerous blind Hafeez supporters as ever.They suddenly appear when Hafeez is in some good nick.
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You need consistency to score on roads too. Ask our many 'talents', they havent exactly cashed in on their opportunities.

Love the way you ignored my point on his consistently great bowling.
 
mussu-100 said:
You need consistency to score on roads too. Ask our many 'talents', they havent exactly cashed in on their opportunities.

Love the way you ignored my point on his consistently great bowling.
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But Hafeez hasn't consistently scored those tons.He scores 2 or less a year to ensure he remains in the team.That's wy in 5 years,he has got about 8-9 tons in ODI's.And again you have compared a guy playing for the last 12 years to youngsters.It took Hafeez about 6-7 years to permanently book his place in the team.Still he is mediocre..And as far as his bowling is concerned,he still hasn't bowled any special spell yet and his economical bowling hasn't contributed much to our ODI and test cricket.Wickets are that win you the match not economical spells.
 
Fineline said:
But Hafeez hasn't consistently scored those tons.He scores 2 or less a year to ensure he remains in the team.That's wy in 5 years,he has got about 8-9 tons in ODI's.And again you have compared a guy playing for the last 12 years to youngsters.It took Hafeez about 6-7 years to permanently book his place in the team.Still he is mediocre..And as far as his bowling is concerned,he still hasn't bowled any special spell yet and his economical bowling hasn't contributed much to our ODI and test cricket.Wickets are that win you the match not economical spells.
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Firstly 15/5=3. Thats three tons a year. A very good number.

He has 9 tons in five years in ODI's. Care to name a 'consistent' Pakistani batsman even close to that figure.

Once-in-a-blue-moon, lol, he's the furthest thing from that given his track record with both bat and ball.
 
Hawkeye said:
Hafeez fans having a field day.

But they've earned it, so enjoy your day folks. :P

His Bangla bashing was needed in this match.
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Fineline said:
Superior T20 batsman?Bro,T20's are always played on flat tracks if I am not wrong and we all know how a cheetah Hafeez becomes whenever rendered flat decks.And performance in that bunny format only counts for youngsters to be able to promoted to a superior format not for old horse like Hafeez.
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Bhai kehna kia chah rahay ho?
Sometimes your saying hes a failure and cant scoe and on the other hand your saying he fails deliberately!?!!?
Sucha stupid post contradicting your own self
 
mussu-100 said:
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LMAO at Hafeez's economical bowling isnt important for us.
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How many matches has Hafeez won us with his majestic economical bowling?How many wickets does Hafeez usually take per match?The fact is that Hafeez's economical bowling has never really contributed much to our ODI and Test success.His economical only helped him to haunt us with his failures for a longer period.
 
mussu-100 said:
Firstly 15/5=3. Thats three tons a year. A very good number.

He has 9 tons in five years in ODI's. Care to name a 'consistent' Pakistani batsman even close to that figure.

Once-in-a-blue-moon, lol, he's the furthest thing from that given his track record with both bat and ball.
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Which other batsmen other than Misbah(the most consistent of all)is as much experienced as Hafeez?Younis earlier rightly got dropped from the team when his failures were augmenting.And please Hafeez was brought back into the team as a batting all-rounder not bowling.His priority should be batting not bowling.
 
Khizr96 said:
Bhai kehna kia chah rahay ho?
Sometimes your saying hes a failure and cant scoe and on the other hand your saying he fails deliberately!?!!?
Sucha stupid post contradicting your own self
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Bhai!care to reply my other posts where I distinctly mentioned the strategy of Hafeez.My point is that when Hafeez was our T20 captain,he doesn't used to care much about the ODI and tests formats.He might not be deliberately failing but Success in those two formats didn't really matter to him.That's why he was quite inconsistent.But at the same time,he used to clobber the same bowlers in the T20 format knowing that he would be the initial person to be criticized.In addition,whenever he saw that his place in the other two formats was in danger and the next venue is a flat track,then he used to cash upon that particular opportunity and smash a couple of tons to ensure he doesn't lose his place.You need to get a life!Don't hype Hafeez's 89 and 224.And the former was scored when Hafeez was banned from bowling so what's so unique in it?
 
Fineline said:
How many matches has Hafeez won us with his majestic economical bowling?How many wickets does Hafeez usually take per match?The fact is that Hafeez's economical bowling has never really contributed much to our ODI and Test success.His economical only helped him to haunt us with his failures for a longer period.
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I though we were discussing consistency? In a world where 300+ scores are extremely common, being the most economical bowler in the world helps us massively. Even if he doesn't directly win you matches with his bowling, he keeps things tight and provides a perfect foil for the other bowlers in our side. Contributing as a bowler doesnt always equate to being a wicket machine.

Fineline said:
Which other batsmen other than Misbah(the most consistent of all)is as much experienced as Hafeez?Younis earlier rightly got dropped from the team when his failures were augmenting.And please Hafeez was brought back into the team as a batting all-rounder not bowling.His priority should be batting not bowling.
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What are you even trying to say? This is so daft. How does experience even factor into this discussion?

He has scored FIFTEEN TONS IN FIVE YEARS. If that isn't consistency for you, I don't know what is! Since none of our players have set the world alight in Australia, New Zealand, England and South Africa, I don't see how it matters who he has scored his tons against. None of our other batsman have managed to even come close to that level of consistency.

So please, stop being ignorant and start posting sense.

And furthermore your post above that is not directed towards me is so foolish it's not even funny. You are blatantly contradicting yourself so please stop. No batsman underperforms on purpose, and EVERY batsman in the world cares about scoring runs in the longer formats.
 
mussu-100 said:
I though we were discussing consistency? In a world where 300+ scores are extremely common, being the most economical bowler in the world helps us massively. Even if he doesn't directly win you matches with his bowling, he keeps things tight and provides a perfect foil for the other bowlers in our side. Contributing as a bowler doesnt always equate to being a wicket machine.

Yeah!We were discussing consistency.I give up on Hafeez's bowling issue because you are absolutely spot on there.I have no further words to debate about.


What are you even trying to say? This is so daft. How does experience even factor into this discussion?

He has scored FIFTEEN TONS IN FIVE YEARS. If that isn't consistency for you, I don't know what is! Since none of our players have set the world alight in Australia, New Zealand, England and South Africa, I don't see how it matters who he has scored his tons against. None of our other batsman have managed to even come close to that level of consistency.

So please, stop being ignorant and start posting sense.

And furthermore your post above that is not directed towards me is so foolish it's not even funny. You are blatantly contradicting yourself so please stop. No batsman underperforms on purpose, and EVERY batsman in the world cares about scoring runs in the longer formats.
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Why should not be experienced brought into this discussion.You are defending a guy who is playing from the last 12 years and is still inconsistent.Lets see how consistent Hafeez has been since being made the captain in ODI's.
Tour of Sri lanka for 3 ODI's: 2 ducks and no fifty or ton(2012)
Australia tour of UAE for 3 ODI'S: 1 fifty(2012)
Tour of India for 3 ODI'S: a golden duck and a fifty(2012)
Tour of South Africa for 5 ODI's: 1 fifty only(2013)
Tour of Ireland and Scotland: not even a fifty(2013)
Champions Trophy(3 matches):miserably failed: not even a fifty (2013)
Tour of West Indies for 5 ODI's: 1 fifty (2013)
SA's tour of UAE for 5 ODI's: 1 fifty (2013
Sri Lanka's tour for 5 ODI'S:At last a couple of tons (2013)
Asia cup 2014(5 matches): 1 fifty (2014)
Tour of Sri lanka for 3 ODI'S: 1 fifty (2014)
This is his record until he resigned from the T20 captaincy.Forget about who he has scored runs against and where.just have a look at the manner he has scored those poor runs.Is this what you call consistency?The guy is playing from the last 12 years now and look where he stands in terms of consistency.And for your kind information,I haven't posted any anything immature and whatever I am saying definitely makes sense.And what's so foolish and not funny in my earlier post?Do you think I am trolling around here?Every batsman certainly cares about scoring runs in the longer formats but not every batsman is the captain of a specific team.Why can't this be possible that a guy who captains the team in the T20's don't care much about ODI's and Tests and only concentrates on getting success in the format which he captains?Not everything is as smooth and peaceful in the dressing room as you fancy.His performance in the that particular tenure where he was captaining one format sumps it up.And you might have overlooked but I used the word"care" not "under perform".
 
This guy averages less than 20 outside of Asia... calling him a FTB is going too far.. and some of his fans are criticizing Warner.. lmao
 
Hawkeye said:
Hafeez fans having a field day.

But they've earned it, so enjoy your day folks. :P

His Bangla bashing was needed in this match.
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Fineline said:
Why should not be experienced brought into this discussion.You are defending a guy who is playing from the last 12 years and is still inconsistent.Lets see how consistent Hafeez has been since being made the captain in ODI's.
Tour of Sri lanka for 3 ODI's: 2 ducks and no fifty or ton(2012)
Australia tour of UAE for 3 ODI'S: 1 fifty(2012)
Tour of India for 3 ODI'S: a golden duck and a fifty(2012)
Tour of South Africa for 5 ODI's: 1 fifty only(2013)
Tour of Ireland and Scotland: not even a fifty(2013)
Champions Trophy(3 matches):miserably failed: not even a fifty (2013)
Tour of West Indies for 5 ODI's: 1 fifty (2013)
SA's tour of UAE for 5 ODI's: 1 fifty (2013
Sri Lanka's tour for 5 ODI'S:At last a couple of tons (2013)
Asia cup 2014(5 matches): 1 fifty (2014)
Tour of Sri lanka for 3 ODI'S: 1 fifty (2014)
This is his record until he resigned from the T20 captaincy.Forget about who he has scored runs against and where.just have a look at the manner he has scored those poor runs.Is this what you call consistency?The guy is playing from the last 12 years now and look where he stands in terms of consistency.And for your kind information,I haven't posted any anything immature and whatever I am saying definitely makes sense.And what's so foolish and not funny in my earlier post?Do you think I am trolling around here?Every batsman certainly cares about scoring runs in the longer formats but not every batsman is the captain of a specific team.Why can't this be possible that a guy who captains the team in the T20's don't care much about ODI's and Tests and only concentrates on getting success in the format which he captains?Not everything is as smooth and peaceful in the dressing room as you fancy.His performance in the that particular tenure where he was captaining one format sumps it up.And you might have overlooked but I used the word"care" not "under perform".
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Ok dont cry!such stupid tuk tuk fans after Hafeez after their loser dull captain retired and they have nothing else to do!
And btw he was the second highest run scorer in 2013 when he was VC so zip your mouth!
 
Fineline said:
Why should not be experienced brought into this discussion.You are defending a guy who is playing from the last 12 years and is still inconsistent.Lets see how consistent Hafeez has been since being made the captain in ODI's.
Tour of Sri lanka for 3 ODI's: 2 ducks and no fifty or ton(2012)
Australia tour of UAE for 3 ODI'S: 1 fifty(2012)
Tour of India for 3 ODI'S: a golden duck and a fifty(2012)
Tour of South Africa for 5 ODI's: 1 fifty only(2013)
Tour of Ireland and Scotland: not even a fifty(2013) Actually a century
Champions Trophy(3 matches):miserably failed: not even a fifty (2013)
Tour of West Indies for 5 ODI's: 1 fifty (2013)
SA's tour of UAE for 5 ODI's: 1 fifty (2013) Skipped a ton against Zimbabwe
Sri Lanka's tour for 5 ODI'S:At last a couple of tons (2013) More than a couple actually
Asia cup 2014(5 matches): 1 fifty (2014) Actually two fifties
Tour of Sri lanka for 3 ODI'S: 1 fifty (2014) This was after his captaincy tenure ended
This is his record until he resigned from the T20 captaincy.Forget about who he has scored runs against and where.just have a look at the manner he has scored those poor runs.Is this what you call consistency?The guy is playing from the last 12 years now and look where he stands in terms of consistency.And for your kind information,I haven't posted any anything immature and whatever I am saying definitely makes sense.And what's so foolish and not funny in my earlier post?Do you think I am trolling around here?Every batsman certainly cares about scoring runs in the longer formats but not every batsman is the captain of a specific team.Why can't this be possible that a guy who captains the team in the T20's don't care much about ODI's and Tests and only concentrates on getting success in the format which he captains?Not everything is as smooth and peaceful in the dressing room as you fancy.His performance in the that particular tenure where he was captaining one format sumps it up.And you might have overlooked but I used the word"care" not "under perform".
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I'm defending him because he is consistent! How is he NOT consistent?

You have done a horrible job collecting date and I have corrected your post above.

What exactly is the 'manner' he has scored the runs in? He has atleast a fifty in almost every series over there. If that isn't consistency I really don't know what is. Averages almost 40, SR of 80.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...al1=span;team=7;template=results;type=batting

Which young Pakistani batsman is amazing and consistent according to you?

Why would he not care about the other formats, when his job is always going to be at stake? To let his mortal enemy Misbah down?

And for the record, I do think you're trolling.
 
The exact reason why I hope he drops to No.3/4 soon. Will be far more consistent.
 
Living upto his reputation, our professor.

He can't survive against even minnows if the ball is moving a CENTIMETER.

Minnow basher doesn't seem like the correct word.
 
Hawkeye said:
Living upto his reputation, our professor.

He can't survive against even minnows if the ball is moving a CENTIMETER.

Minnow basher doesn't seem like the correct word.
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Honestly it is so irritating to watch him represent Pakistan. He scores a double on the flattest of wickets and when the there is a hint of grass on the wicket he becomes the walking wicket again. And he doesn't look bothered at all. He thinks one good score compensates a line of failures.
One lucky player, surviving because of the team balance. If I was selector/coach he would have been first one to be kicked out.
 
We have the ftp in front of us: in the next two years we have to play England away for four tests, then NZ for 2 tests, and then Australia for 3 tests at the end of 2016.
As long we stay at home, he will find a way to contribute once in a while. But Pakistan Cricket really needs to think long term. A career bottler and steyn bunny (just highlighting the false dawn of the last Hafeez comeback before his pedigree was appropriately exposed) is not going to help Pakistan with anything in England, New Zealand, or Australia. All these debates really are like short term fluctistions of a volatile share without sound fundamentals. Sadly we will have to wait till the England tour before we understand what we already know.
 
mussu-100 said:
I'm defending him because he is consistent! How is he NOT consistent?

You have done a horrible job collecting date and I have corrected your post above.

What exactly is the 'manner' he has scored the runs in? He has atleast a fifty in almost every series over there. If that isn't consistency I really don't know what is. Averages almost 40, SR of 80.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...al1=span;team=7;template=results;type=batting

Which young Pakistani batsman is amazing and consistent according to you?

Why would he not care about the other formats, when his job is always going to be at stake? To let his mortal enemy Misbah down?

And for the record, I do think you're trolling.
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You got me.I just messed up some of his tons and fiftys just to see your reaction and you didn't disappoint. :P
 
Hawkeye said:
Hafeez fans having a field day.

But they've earned it, so enjoy your day folks. :P

His Bangla bashing was needed in this match.
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Fineline said:
224,8 and 0.No wonder Khizr96 has gone missing from PP. :P
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Oh come on stop crying!
The guy took 6 wickets more than most Bangladeshi and Pakistani bowlers and scored decent runs what MORE do u want?
Him scoring 200 every time he comes to bat!
 
Interesting that even with Hafeez going through this 'purple patch' and best period in his career so far with his numerous centuries in recent years and building a fan club as big as Viv Richards going by this thread, look at the current ICC batting rankings:

ICC Player rankings for Test batsmen -- Hafeez @ No. 35
ICC Player rankings for ODI batsmen -- Hafeez @ No. 38
ICC Player rankings for T20 batsmen -- Hafeez @ No. 22

Are these the rankings of a batsman who is worthy enough to be guaranteed a permanent position in the Pakistan test and ODI teams as a 'senior' batsman for the best part of a decade and continues to do so???
 
Good facts by Majid Khan Hafeez fans treat him as Andrea Pirlo but infact he is Lee Bowyer
 
Hawkeye said:
Hafeez fans having a field day.

But they've earned it, so enjoy your day folks. :P

His Bangla bashing was needed in this match.
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Majid Khan said:
Interesting that even with Hafeez going through this 'purple patch' and best period in his career so far with his numerous centuries in recent years and building a fan club as big as Viv Richards going by this thread, look at the current ICC batting rankings:

ICC Player rankings for Test batsmen -- Hafeez @ No. 35
ICC Player rankings for ODI batsmen -- Hafeez @ No. 38
ICC Player rankings for T20 batsmen -- Hafeez @ No. 22

Are these the rankings of a batsman who is worthy enough to be guaranteed a permanent position in the Pakistan test and ODI teams as a 'senior' batsman for the best part of a decade and continues to do so???
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Idiot!
ICC ALL ROUNDER RANKINGS TOP TEN IN ALL 3 FORMATS
seriously get a life!
 
Firstly I was talking about batting, but anyhow if you mention bowling -- please enlighten me on Hafeez's match winning efforts with the ball at any level that I may have missed in recent years ??

Maybe times have changed, back when I watched cricket a Top 10 all rounder was someone who could score 100s with the bat and take 5-wicket hauls with the ball.

But then looking at the Test All rounder rankings, even Dale Steyn (with batting average of 14) and Southee (with batting average of 17) are in the TOP 10 !! then again I suppose I would rather have a great bowler who can hold a bat classed as an all rounder than someone who barely gets into the Top 40 of the world's best batsmen or the Top 40 of the world's best bowlers in test cricket!

As for the 'idiot' remark -- well I can only make a humble request (and hopefully the Mods will too) that you discuss in a sensible manner and not resort to childish insults, as you are only showing your own lack of class by doing so.. and talking of 'lack of class', please see my signature dedicated to your most favourite player :)!
 
Majid Khan said:
Firstly I was talking about batting, but anyhow if you mention bowling -- please enlighten me on Hafeez's match winning efforts with the ball at any level that I may have missed in recent years ??

Maybe times have changed, back when I watched cricket a Top 10 all rounder was someone who could score 100s with the bat and take 5-wicket hauls with the ball.

But then looking at the Test All rounder rankings, even Dale Steyn (with batting average of 14) and Southee (with batting average of 17) are in the TOP 10 !! then again I suppose I would rather have a great bowler who can hold a bat classed as an all rounder than someone who barely gets into the Top 40 of the world's best batsmen or the Top 40 of the world's best bowlers in test cricket!

As for the 'idiot' remark -- well I can only make a humble request (and hopefully the Mods will too) that you discuss in a sensible manner and not resort to childish insults, as you are only showing your own lack of class by doing so.. and talking of 'lack of class', please see my signature dedicated to your most favourite player :)!
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In ODIs and T20s, he's been a good allrounder for us. Shows in the rankings, he's been at the top of the allrounder rankings, in top ten for bowling, even ranked no.1 some time. Even if you don't think he's a great player, difficult to argue his worth as he gives us 10 overs as well as batting. Our 5th bowling option if we picked a full time bowler, would probably bowl worse than Hafeez atm, given our bowling reserves are pretty bad atm.

In tests, yep more of an argument. His test batting is nothing special. The only thing he's got for himself, is that he's an opener and we haven't had much success at this position, and he offers a good fifth bowling option (but not near as crucial in tests as in LOI). Our openers have not been impressive at all, Butt, Farhat, Nazir more recently Manzoor, Shan Masood, Jamshed, Taufeeq Umar hasn't been all to impressive either in the later part of his career (he's been outperformed by Hafeez). If the replacement will not even average more and doesn't bowl, then doesn't make sense picking him over Hafeez. I don't think we have the talent waiting in our wings, I mean Manzoor and Shan were supposed to be our opening talent and they were not impressive.

All our talent seems to be in the middle order, which is the problem.

While he has flaws, I'm a bit disappointed we've done away with Shehzad who actually had a pretty positive start to his test career. That's rare for us.
 
Incidentally our Top 10 all rounder in all three formats of the game has not yet achieved a 5-wicket haul in Test, ODI or T20 cricket!!

How times change, Mudassar Nazar could have been the world's best all rounder if he was playing today !! and back then in 80s his bowling was laughed at as just a part-time who could break partnerships -- even he managed 5 wicket hauls in both TEST and ODI cricket believe it or not.
 
Another interesting statistic, Hafeez as test batsman has played 21 innings so far in his career against Australia and South Africa combined ---- how many scores of 50 has he achieved???

ONE! just ONE, just ONE, yes ......... just ONE.

That means as a test batsman he has failed 20 times out of 21 innings against Australia and South Africa... so that's a failure ratio of about 99.9 %

I'm not giving any opinions here, just facts!!
 
The allrounder ranking in modern day cricket is the most deceptive measure of a cricketers worth. Whereas as the past definition of an allrounder was one who was good enough to be in the team on his batting OR his bowling alone. Which usually meant that of a test or one day allrounder was in the top 10 of all rounders list, he would be in the top of of bowling and/or batting as well. The modern definition of allrounder is bits and pieces. Which explains why Hafeez will never be near a top 10 batsman in any format of the game.

There are some certainties by which you can set a clock: afridi will be dismissed at mid wicket, Pakistan will lost to India in a World Cup, Hafeez will fail against top flight completion.
 
Khizr96 said:
Idiot!
ICC ALL ROUNDER RANKINGS TOP TEN IN ALL 3 FORMATS
seriously get a life!
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Dude... I know you're a kid.. but still, cut down on such posts personally targeting everyone criticizing Hafeez.
 
Hawkeye said:
Hafeez fans having a field day.

But they've earned it, so enjoy your day folks. :P

His Bangla bashing was needed in this match.
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Majid Khan said:
Firstly I was talking about batting, but anyhow if you mention bowling -- please enlighten me on Hafeez's match winning efforts with the ball at any level that I may have missed in recent years ??

Maybe times have changed, back when I watched cricket a Top 10 all rounder was someone who could score 100s with the bat and take 5-wicket hauls with the ball.

But then looking at the Test All rounder rankings, even Dale Steyn (with batting average of 14) and Southee (with batting average of 17) are in the TOP 10 !! then again I suppose I would rather have a great bowler who can hold a bat classed as an all rounder than someone who barely gets into the Top 40 of the world's best batsmen or the Top 40 of the world's best bowlers in test cricket!

As for the 'idiot' remark -- well I can only make a humble request (and hopefully the Mods will too) that you discuss in a sensible manner and not resort to childish insults, as you are only showing your own lack of class by doing so.. and talking of 'lack of class', please see my signature dedicated to your most favourite player :)!
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That signature shows your class I have seen much worse language used on this forum ********* and many other forums I visit!It was just to show you that trying to look funny by making fun of a Pakistani player whoever he is is completely absurd!
Now about your intelligent post yes times have changed Hafeez may be a trash player if he was in the 90s but in modern cricket you see players like Jadeja,Parnell Ronchi C Andersonand Watson who are regarded as good players for their respective teams
Secondly your contradicting your own self at first your trying to make fun of him by showing his rankings and when it comes to All rounder rankings your saying you only judge players as all rounders if they score 100 and take 5 wicket haul(IRRESPECTIVE OF THE RANKINGS)BIG FACEPALM!
Thirdly unlike other teams we dont have any other all rounder other than him we talk about Zafar Gohar who is one of my most favourite players but still he needs time because he just averages 20 with the bat!
Fourth point :) your blaming Hafeez when all your openers average in 30s except Shehzad who has played no tests outside Asia! Why single him out?
Lastly talking about lack of class yes Hafeez may not have the talent of Salman Butt or the technique of Yasir Hameed or the temparament of Taufeeq but in terms of discipline he is way ahead of them which is why he succeeded in playing so long for Pakistan :)
 
For the next Series Shehzad should be brought back enough of this so called allrounder, who is like a rabbit in headlights when there is shades of swing
 
Khizr96 said:
Oh come on stop crying!
The guy took 6 wickets more than most Bangladeshi and Pakistani bowlers and scored decent runs what MORE do u want?
Him scoring 200 every time he comes to bat!
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If possible then yes why not! :P
 
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