Mohammad Hafeez vs Shoaib Malik - Who is better?

[Mir jibran]

Shoaib malik a former captain a superstar before 2009 was thought to be the next big thing but unfortunately he lost that touch which he had in his early career
Mohammd hafeez a late bloomer who secured his place in team at the age of 30 a former t20 captain a good off spin bowler n batsman just like malik
now my question whos better in odis malik has scored 5490 runs at an average of 32.67 at a s/r of 78 in 193 innings with 7 centuries and 31 fifties. while in bowling he averages 36 with 141 wickets.
Now coming to Mohammad hafeez he averages close to 31 and has scored 4338 runs at a s/r of 72 with 9 centuries and 21 fifites. While in bowling he has taken 122 wickets at an average of 35.
So who's the better all rounder ??

 

[Mamoon]

Hafeez is two levels above Malik but if we go into details:

Malik

He has a quite a story. Started in 1999/2000 as a specialist spinner but continued to show promise with the bat. Eventually, he climbed up the ladder in the batting order. Slowly and gradually, he dumped Saqlain out of the team who was losing his mojo. Malik was younger, fantastic fielder, much better batsman and a decent bowler who could bowl the doosra as well.

Unfortunately, once his doosra got banned in 2005/2006, he lost the zip in his bowling. He was pretty much finished as a bowler around 2007-2008.

As far as his batting is concerned, he was one of the best around from 2004-2007. He was dynamic, rotated the strike very well and had the big shots too. Was very good at number 3 particularly. Once he got sacked as captain, he lost the plot and was finished as a cricketer in 2009, with the hundred vs India in the CT his last hurrah.

Hafeez

Extremely mediocre with the bat at the start of his career and showed very little improvement. Always a natural with the ball though. Once he was dumped in 2007, it looked like his career was over but Salman Butt's ban opened the door for him and he has been nothing short of exceptional since 2010 and has been a world class ODI all-rounder over the last 4 years.

His batting is not brilliant, but pretty good. Has problem against spin, but rotates the strike and constructs innings better than most in the team and has the ability to score hundreds as well. As far as bowling is concerned, he's fantastic and the best in the world at what he does. There are better bowlers and spinners than him, but no one can strangle the batsman like he does.

In terms of both batting and bowling, Hafeez is clearly far superior and stats don't do justice to the difference between the two players.

As far as fielding is concerned, Hafeez is good but Malik is probably the best catcher we have ever had.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

people will call me nuts but when professor retires from limited overs cricket we will miss him more than Afridi, Misbah, Ajmal or any other senior thats gone the past 5 years

the guy is an FTB and Minnow Basher, but he is still probably our most valuable limited overs players

 

[Mir jibran]

I feel so disappointed malik was a very brilliant batsman once but after marriage his career finished @ mamoon

 

[Ahson8]

Hafeez any day.
Malik doesn't want to play for PAK anyway.

 

[Mir jibran]

people will call me nuts but when professor retires from limited overs cricket we will miss him more than Afridi, Misbah, Ajmal or any other senior thats gone the past 5 years

the guy is an FTB and Minnow Basher, but he is still probably our most valuable limited overs players

hmm I hope he performs in Australia

 

[Bullet Drive]

Malik is a super batsman still and he is waiting for the captaincy to shine.

No batsman in PAK like him that can guide a big chase.

Hafeez can only dream of that.

Malik has a test saving ton vs Murali. Hafeez has nothing in his career. I cant remember a top notch match winning Hafeez innings.

 

[Ahson8]

people will call me nuts but when professor retires from limited overs cricket we will miss him more than Afridi, Misbah, Ajmal or any other senior thats gone the past 5 years

the guy is an FTB and Minnow Basher, but he is still probably our most valuable limited overs players

I think Babar Azam is someone who can do the Hafeez role for us in future.

Bat at # 3 and bowl 10 economical overs.

 

[Mir jibran]

Malik is a super batsman still and he is waiting for the captaincy to shine.

No batsman in PAK like him that can guide a big chase.

Hafeez can only dream of that.

Malik has a test saving ton vs Murali. Hafeez has nothing in his career. I cant remember a top notch match winning Hafeez innings.

hmm a super batsman in domestic leauges

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I think Babar Azam is someone who can do the Hafeez role for us in future.

Bat at # 3 and bowl 10 economical overs.

will be a better bat but wont be as good a bowler imo

 

[Fahdi]

Malik was once a gem. Right now he is finished whereas Hafeez although very mediocre is a very useful limited over allrounder.

 

[Ahson8]

will be a better bat but wont be as good a bowler imo

True.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Over their entire careers Malik is definitely superior.He has played innings Hafeez can only dream off.

But currently Hafeez is much better.Avery good LOI all-rounder.The only problem I have with him is that he bats too high.

 

[Khizr96]

Malik was more talented and had a very good start to his career but Hafeez was more hardworking and he had the discipline and self belief that he can be a regular
Malik on the other hand got involved in politics like oath taking against younis plus he was never serious about his career he dated Sania Mirza when Pakistan toured India whuch shows his seriousness as a captain He also left training camps just to meet his relatives in India these things ultimately made hafeez 100 times better than Malik!

 

[MO]

Hafeez...can bowl 10 overs economically and can make 30 runs ..

 

[Madplayer]

malik was better. scored against almost all oppositions and at one point in time in his career was the best batsman in Pakistan team along with inzi. hafeez is just hardworking but that is making him better day by day.
on current form hafeez is wayyyy ahead.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Since 2002, Hafeez is the only all rounder from Pakistan I rate. Malik, Razzaq,Afridi,Azhar Mahmood have all been mediocre. Hafeez has been good with both bat and ball in the last 4 years despite the fact that he is not as gifted as they were.

 

[ads101]

Since 2002, Hafeez is the only all rounder from Pakistan I rate. Malik, Razzaq,Afridi,Azhar Mahmood have all been mediocre. Hafeez has been good with both bat and ball in the last 4 years despite the fact that he is not as gifted as they were.

Razzaq was quality early on in his career bat and ball. Then pretty much became a batsman and part time bowler.

Malik never really felt like an allrounder despite playing first as a bowler. Pretty much focused on the bat, and was a decent batsman for a short period, and part time bowler. Didn't help his doosra was banned either.

Afridi was pretty much a batsman for half of his career, and then a bowler for the latter half. Didn't really function as an allrounder it was more either/or. Good bat for a bowler though.

Azhar just wasn't very good, sorry.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Razzaq was quality early on in his career bat and ball. Then pretty much became a batsman and part time bowler.

Malik never really felt like an allrounder despite playing first as a bowler. Pretty much focused on the bat, and was a decent batsman for a short period, and part time bowler. Didn't help his doosra was banned either.

Afridi was pretty much a batsman for half of his career, and then a bowler for the latter half. Didn't really function as an allrounder it was more either/or. Good bat for a bowler though.

Azhar just wasn't very good, sorry.

I agree with the Razzaq part which is why I mentioned 2002 onwards. 1999-2002 Razzaq was a phenomenal cricketer. Could swing the ball at good pace and score quickly with the bat. Could have been a test class all rounder if he had the ethic for it.

 

[ads101]

I agree with the Razzaq part which is why I mentioned 2002 onwards. 1999-2002 Razzaq was a phenomenal cricketer. Could swing the ball at good pace and score quickly with the bat. Could have been a test class all rounder if he had the ethic for it.

Oh my bad, sorry.

 

[dashing_man]

I feel so disappointed malik was a very brilliant batsman once but after marriage his career finished @ mamoon

tbh!

he wasn't even good before the marriage. Malik was only good around 2007-08 time and partially in 2009
his last best performance was in the Champions Trophy against india 2009

 

[Mir jibran]

tbh!

he wasn't even good before the marriage. Malik was only good around 2007-08 time and partially in 2009
his last best performance was in the Champions Trophy against india 2009

no bro from 2005 till 2008 he was good

 

[QasimAli]

Hafeez much better, completely usurped malik. How malik kept getting selected was beyond me.

Hafeez however can be called a bottler in big competitions don't think ill ever get over that paddle sweep which basically gave india in WC 2011 the keys back into the game. But hafeez is not that bad for me if hafeez went down the order and batted say 6 i think he would be the best ODI all round in the world.

His batting is short of WC (as a top order batsmen) and his bowling short of WC = But as an all rounder its pretty good. Hafeez should be the finisher IMO. But again pakistan guilting of planning where have we heard that before

 

[tauseef_mahmood]

Hafeez

 

[Savak]

Pakistan is definately missing the shoaib Malik of 2003-2009. It was a huge mistake to appoint him as captain in 2007 after which he started playing politics in the team and neglected to improve his game. He only has himself to blame for not availing the numerous undeserved chances he has had in the team from 2011 to present

Sent from my SGH-T999V using Tapatalk

 

[Mir jibran]

Pakistan is definately missing the shoaib Malik of 2003-2009. It was a huge mistake to appoint him as captain in 2007 after which he started playing politics in the team and neglected to improve his game. He only has himself to blame for not availing the numerous undeserved chances he has had in the team from 2011 to present

Sent from my SGH-T999V using Tapatalk

yup Pakistani culture doesn't approve young captains when u hv lot of seniors

 

[FreeBird]

Shoaib Malik is better in technique, and developing game strategy. He is also a smarter cricketer.
It's unfortunate that he totally lost his touch with the bat.
Malik is also a much, much better fielder and athlete than Hafeez.

I will personally take in Malik for WC.

To put it simple terms, Steyn would have probably faced some sort of counter attack if he had done the same to Malik what he did to Hafeez.

Malik is a brave fighter by nature, he is just out of form.

 

[IMMY69]

With all due respect to probably 100pct of the posters here, but please go an watch Malik's batting from time of his debut until he was removed as captain.

He was never great with the bat, let alone a legend.

His technique was always poor and he made his runs on flat tracks of Pakistan and the UAE and during his own captaincy made most of his runs against minnows...

He managed to score some runs on dead tracks against mediocre opposition until his technique was brutally exposed by the medion pacers of New Zealand in the UAE, on a slow, docile track. Since then he's been even worse as a batsman.

Since then he's even been poor against the medium pacers of India, who generally excelled against.

 

[thivaakar]

Hafeez, match winner.

 

[saiyan0312]

Well malik was extremely well during his time and looked like a bright prospect for the future but hafeez ability to go through his ten overs and be economical is amazing and that tips the scales for hafeez.

 

[iafzal]

If we compare them today Hafeez is miles ahead in terms of batting and bowling.
Pre 2009 yes Malik was ahead of Hafeez of 2009 but that does not matter as we are talking about today.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Malik was finished long time ago. He is not going to come back in form magically. Not all players are able to maintain an international standard of game. Malik is good for domestic leagues and first class but he can't perform at top level. Hafeez can

 

[Fastandfurious]

Right now, Hafeez. Potentially, Malik could have been a lot better.

 

[UpInTheAir]

Hafeez is probably one of the most improved cricketers I've seen in recent times. Really hard worker

Sent

 

[aukhan]

Hafeez worked hard instead of moaning after he was discarded and returned as a better cricketer and he is still improving and try do better where as Malik believes in using connections and blames everyone instead of himself.

With Hafeez no matter what you always knows he his giving his best can't say the same about oath gate black sheep.

 

[Fallen King]

Shoaib Malik was going to be best batsman after Inzimam and Yousuf as he was starting to star amongst the great legends until the curse of captaincy. That's why people are desperate to see little old Shoaib if not 100%, which little old Shoaib is still quite better than the whole batting line combined. An old Shoaib Malik can easily win WC 2015 if we get old-him back, Allahu Alim. I for once cannot wait to see old-Shoaib in WC 2015, Insha Allah!.

Mohammad Hafeez, despite of his countless years, is still ordinary and always has been and always will be [judging by his performance], Allahu Alim.

 

[aukhan]

Shoaib Malik was going to be best batsman after Inzimam and Yousuf as he was starting to star amongst the great legends until the curse of captaincy. That's why people are desperate to see little old Shoaib if not 100%, which little old Shoaib is still quite better than the whole batting line combined. An old Shoaib Malik can easily win WC 2015 if we get old-him back, Allahu Alim. I for once cannot wait to see old-Shoaib in WC 2015, Insha Allah!.

Mohammad Hafeez, despite of his countless years, is still ordinary and always has been and always will be [judging by his performance], Allahu Alim.

Kuch ziyada hi hogaya yeh Allahu Alim. :Blackzero

 

[Justcrazy]

Hafeez is better as a bowling all rounder. his bowling has always been consistent and good.

In Batting Malik was better , before loosing that.

 

[Fallen King]

Kuch ziyada hi hogaya yeh Allahu Alim. :Blackzero

Old-Shoaib Malik was match winner and real deal which people who has recently started watching cricket may not be aware of. Hafeez is best at giving little support through his bowling and sometimes his batting. He has never been match winner in his whole career unlike Afridi who still had some match winning's innings under his belt.

 

[aukhan]

Old-Shoaib Malik was match winner and real deal which people who has recently started watching cricket may not be aware of. Hafeez is best at giving little support through his bowling and sometimes his batting. He has never been match winner in his whole career unlike Afridi who still had some match winning's innings under his belt.

He is below average now old Malik was good back in 2004-2006 but he was no world beater and now there is no way he will get his old form back. Winning World cup on his own kuch ziyada hi hogaya the likes of inzi , Anwar, Miandad , Yosuf couldn't win the World cup all by themselves.

 

[Haz95]

Hafeez.

 

[super hitter]

Hafeez is two levels above Malik but if we go into details:

Malik

He has a quite a story. Started in 1999/2000 as a specialist spinner but continued to show promise with the bat. Eventually, he climbed up the ladder in the batting order. Slowly and gradually, he dumped Saqlain out of the team who was losing his mojo. Malik was younger, fantastic fielder, much better batsman and a decent bowler who could bowl the doosra as well.

Unfortunately, once his doosra got banned in 2005/2006, he lost the zip in his bowling. He was pretty much finished as a bowler around 2007-2008.

As far as his batting is concerned, he was one of the best around from 2004-2007. He was dynamic, rotated the strike very well and had the big shots too. Was very good at number 3 particularly. Once he got sacked as captain, he lost the plot and was finished as a cricketer in 2009, with the hundred vs India in the CT his last hurrah.

Hafeez

Extremely mediocre with the bat at the start of his career and showed very little improvement. Always a natural with the ball though. Once he was dumped in 2007, it looked like his career was over but Salman Butt's ban opened the door for him and he has been nothing short of exceptional since 2010 and has been a world class ODI all-rounder over the last 4 years.

His batting is not brilliant, but pretty good. Has problem against spin, but rotates the strike and constructs innings better than most in the team and has the ability to score hundreds as well. As far as bowling is concerned, he's fantastic and the best in the world at what he does. There are better bowlers and spinners than him, but no one can strangle the batsman like he does.

In terms of both batting and bowling, Hafeez is clearly far superior and stats don't do justice to the difference between the two players.

As far as fielding is concerned, Hafeez is good but Malik is probably the best catcher we have ever had.

how come hafeez is better then malik, never made pakistan win a match , ashamed the pak team , and malik made pakistan win at many matches specially the one against indians ... and statistics really matters

sorry mamoon , but this was the first time i saw such a comment from you on the PP, which i never thought of

 

[super hitter]

guys dont see the present

see the whole career statistics of these two guys to judge honestly

 

[nafaiz]

Malik was far superior than hafeez... Malik was a match winner, he won many matches and saved many matches from embarassing defeats as well...But right now Malik is done as a cricketer. He enjoyed the greater success batting at no.3 avg 40.

i think, may be giving him the captaincy again after the wc'2015 could bring him back his game or make him batting top at the order as an opener or bat him at no.3... He owns Indian bowlers with a beasty avg of 53 and S/R of 90...and scored 1500+ runs in his entire career against India..

But right now Hafeez is far ahead of malik, Can hafeez deliver at no.3 in AUS/NZ ?...

 

[Mamoon]

how come hafeez is better then malik, never made pakistan win a match , ashamed the pak team , and malik made pakistan win at many matches specially the one against indians ... and statistics really matters

sorry mamoon , but this was the first time i saw such a comment from you on the PP, which i never thought of

I can't believe you are saying this. Hafeez has been the biggest match winner in ODIs since returning in 2010 and is a far better bowler than Malik ever was and on par with the bat with Malik of 2004-2008.

How has he shamed the team?

 

[IMMY69]

I can't believe you are saying this. Hafeez has been the biggest match winner in ODIs since returning in 2010 and is a far better bowler than Malik ever was and on par with the bat with Malik of 2004-2008.

How has he shamed the team?

I still get my head around this...between 2004 and 2008 Malik scored a few runs on dead tracks and against trundlers...
Why are people saying that he was a good (some even saying he was great) before 2008/2009?

 

[Mamoon]

People say so because that was his best period as batsman and he was very useful and vital. Wasn't amazing but was very good by our standards.

 

[Mamoon]

Nobody said that. its just a comparison thread and when you compare two players, you tend two compare their peaks.

Malik of 2004-2008 was a very good ODI cricketer, but Hafeez post 2010 is far better.

 

[super hitter]

I can't believe you are saying this. Hafeez has been the biggest match winner in ODIs since returning in 2010 and is a far better bowler than Malik ever was and on par with the bat with Malik of 2004-2008.

How has he shamed the team?

hafeez can even not make the bowl spin and instead if you see maliks bowling it spins alot the thing is he is never given a chance

 

[Mamoon]

Spin bowling is not about how many revolutions you put on the ball. Jason Krejza turns the ball more than Ajmal, does that mean he is a better spinner?

Hafeez is a vastly superior bowler to Malik.

 

[Bilal7]

hafeez can even not make the bowl spin and instead if you see maliks bowling it spins alot the thing is he is never given a chance

Puh-leeze. I still remember how Misbah went against teh selectors and got Malik called up for that ODI series against England, because apparently, Malik would have made a difference with his spin. You know as well as I do, how that went.

Malik is the poor man's Hafeez in every department except fielding. Quite interesting really.

 

[Haz95]

Hafeez the bowler is world class in LOIs- no doubt.
same can't be said for Malky...Hafeez is vastly superior in all aspects but fielding

however Maliks pressure handling is miles ahead

 

[super hitter]

Puh-leeze. I still remember how Misbah went against teh selectors and got Malik called up for that ODI series against England, because apparently, Malik would have made a difference with his spin. You know as well as I do, how that went.

Malik is the poor man's Hafeez in every department except fielding. Quite interesting really.

ill tell you a thing about malik write now and then you can never argue...Malik had recently done an elbow surgery in 2013 and after that he is bowling awful, you can see his bowling records of the recently played big bash and CPL.

 

[Wiji]

They are almost identical in terms of their abilities and their roles. Ideally, they should be fighting for the same spot. Having both of them in the squad serves no purpose whatsoever, especially when we play in difficult batting conditions, and especially when you have batsman like Azam, Aslam, Alam, Maqsood, Shehzad, etc, waiting in the wings.

 

[Mamoon]

Malik was in 2004-2008 mode today, brought back the memories. Needs to continue this for the next few years to match up to MoHa's contribution in the last 5 years.

Things are going his way though, at the moment.

 

[Neferpitou]

The battle of the greatest TTFs.

I'll take Malik, better all around cricketer.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Old-Shoaib Malik was match winner and real deal which people who has recently started watching cricket may not be aware of. Hafeez is best at giving little support through his bowling and sometimes his batting. He has never been match winner in his whole career unlike Afridi who still had some match winning's innings under his belt.

I can't believe my eyes that you said something positive about Shahid Afridi. #OMG

 

[mussu-100]

The battle of the greatest TTFs.

I'll take Malik, better all around cricketer.

Love the way you're calling a guy who hasn't been dropped in the last 5 years a failure, and picking a guy who has barely scored a run in the same space of time.

Don't think a guy who has 17 international hundreds, and is the most economical bowler in the world can be classified as a TTF. Not even close.

 

[mussu-100]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you've called it yourself here in this thread. MoHa 2010-onwards is the better player.

Hope things go well for Shobby though, just for your sake.

 

[Wiji]

I used to be a big fan of Malik in those early years. There was a brief period where he was the best batsman, bowler, and fielder in the country. Talented guy no doubt, but got into way too many controversies. And he is woeful in tough batting conditions such as New Zealand, etc.

Hope this is a sign of a come-back for Malik. Getting married, settling down and having time to think over things can sometimes help one to re-focus on his goals in life.

But my point is: it's either him or Hafeez. There's just no space for the two of them in the same team.

 

[cricfan14]

It's not good for Pakistan cricket in the long term to have both play. It's a big issue that in one good innings they've both bought themselves life, at the expense of pushing Haris Sohail down the lineup. The answer for the future is NOT to have them both play.

 

[Neferpitou]

Love the way you're calling a guy who hasn't been dropped in the last 5 years a failure, and picking a guy who has barely scored a run in the same space of time.

Don't think a guy who has 17 international hundreds, and is the most economical bowler in the world can be classified as a TTF. Not even close.

We've all seen him dance when the ball moves an inch. The only reason he hadn't been dropped in the last 4-5 years during his failures was because he's one of Misbah's best friends.

 

[mussu-100]

We've all seen him dance when the ball moves an inch. The only reason he hadn't been dropped in the last 4-5 years during his failures was because he's one of Misbah's best friends.

Hate it when people come up with these ridiculous controversy theories. Do have any substance to support your argument?

The reason he was not dropped from the team was because of the aforementioned achievements. 17 hundreds is no joke, regardless of opposition. Being ranked the No.1 LOI allrounder in the world by the ICC is no joke either.

Let him dance when the new ball is swinging? I don't really care.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you've called it yourself here in this thread. MoHa 2010-onwards is the better player.

Hope things go well for Shobby though, just for your sake.

Indeed he has been, but the tide is turning now. I think MoHa is reaching the end of his lifecycle as a cricketer, while Malik seems to have picked himself up again like MoHa did in 2010-11.

I like MoHa, but at this point I predict a brighter future for Malik.

 

[jusarrived]

Depends which format we talking here .

Both have under achieved imo . In Tests Hafeez always had more potential , a more rounded batsmen who could have done better if only his shot selection was better or rather less flashy . Malik easily a better ODI bat , again could have done better in this format imo . Pak never had the batsmen to replace some one like Malik , if persisted am sure his stats would have looked better now and he would have won a match or two for Pak , instead wasted time on YK and worse the likes of Fawad .

 

[Neferpitou]

Hate it when people come up with these ridiculous controversy theories. Do have any substance to support your argument?

The reason he was not dropped from the team was because of the aforementioned achievements. 17 hundreds is no joke, regardless of opposition. Being ranked the No.1 LOI allrounder in the world by the ICC is no joke either.

Let him dance when the new ball is swinging? I don't really care.

Yes, Misbah persisting with Rehman.

Regardless of opposition? Dude his stats are a joke, man can't play quality bowling for his life. The ultimate minnow-basher. You just cannot afford to have your opener failing like that.

Aside from Misbah, lack of quality all-rounders in domestic also helped.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Puh-leeze. I still remember how Misbah went against teh selectors and got Malik called up for that ODI series against England, because apparently, Malik would have made a difference with his spin. You know as well as I do, how that went.

Malik is the poor man's Hafeez in every department except fielding. Quite interesting really.

Huh but I thought Misbah had no say in selection.... something not adding up

 

[Bilal7]

Huh but I thought Misbah had no say in selection.... something not adding up

This isn't Australia, the captain has a voice in selection matters.

 

[Bullet Drive]

This isn't Australia, the captain has a voice in selection matters.

So we can hold Misbah responsible for taking us to such a low ranking? Building NO team whatsoever when he retired?

 

[Bilal7]

Indeed he has been, but the tide is turning now. I think MoHa is reaching the end of his lifecycle as a cricketer, while Malik seems to have picked himself up again like MoHa did in 2010-11.

I like MoHa, but at this point I predict a brighter future for Malik.

One game. This is based on one game, folks. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] also predicted that Malik would be made the captain after Misbah retired but that didn't happen. This won't either.

Malik will score against Zimbabwe on pitches that he is familiar with, then will fail against Lanka and England, getting himself ousted from the team again.

 

[Bilal7]

So we can hold Misbah responsible for taking us to such a low ranking? Building NO team whatsoever when he retired?

Misbah built a team. A team that included the likes of Akmal, Maqsood and Junaid. If you drop them and pick international failures like Malik, Sami and Shafiq (an ODI failure), you can hardly blame him.

He also recommended Azhar Ali as captain and rates Sami Aslam highly. Don't blame any of this on Misbah.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Misbah built a team. A team that included the likes of Akmal, Maqsood and Junaid. If you drop them and pick international failures like Malik, Sami and Shafiq (an ODI failure), you can hardly blame him.

He also recommended Azhar Ali as captain and rates Sami Aslam highly. Don't blame any of this on Misbah.

lol. We all saw the way he treats Akmal and Junaid. And even Maqsood was treated harshly. 2 back to back 50s vs SA at #3 then moved down. He even came in at 7 at times. Umar Akmal, he was always in and out. Played down the order as a slogger and never given the opportunity to change. Junaid was our best ODI bowler yet I can't remember the amount of times he was dropped.

And you read my post? I said TEAM. Not 3 players.

 

[Bilal7]

lol. We all saw the way he treats Akmal and Junaid. And even Maqsood was treated harshly. 2 back to back 50s vs SA at #3 then moved down. He even came in at 7 at times. Umar Akmal, he was always in and out. Played down the order as a slogger and never given the opportunity to change. Junaid was our best ODI bowler yet I can't remember the amount of times he was dropped.

And you read my post? I said TEAM. Not 3 players.

Misbah, Afridi and Younis were part of Misbah's team. When they retired, three more spots opened up. Misbah couldn't have played youngsters in those spots until the veterans retired, just so happens that he didn't get a chance because he retired too.

Since he was appointed captain back in 2010/11, he has given us the likes of Azhar, Shafiq, Hafeez, Ajmal, Junaid, Adnan/Sarfaraz, Shehzad and Maqsood. I don't know how you can accuse Misbah of not leaving a good bunch of guys to carry Pakistani cricket forward.

 

[msb314]

Indeed he has been, but the tide is turning now. I think MoHa is reaching the end of his lifecycle as a cricketer, while Malik seems to have picked himself up again like MoHa did in 2010-11.

I like MoHa, but at this point I predict a brighter future for Malik.

I agree with you on this one.

Only one of Malik and Hafeez should play in the ODI team since playing them both limits the opportunities for Sami Aslam, Shehzad, Babar Azam, Rizwan and even Maqsood and Umer Akmal who (according to many experts would be best suited in the middle orders).

I would probably side with Malik since I think he is the more talented of the two and seems to have a mentoring effect on the youngsters which Hafeez (and Misbah and Afridi) do/did not have. He would be an ideal player to guide the likes of Shehzad, Babar, Haris Sohail.

He is still a brilliant fielder and has an astute cricketing brain who can help Azhar Ali.

My only concern is his struggles and pace and swing bowling - he would get exposed in SAF, England, NZ but it may work out well for us until the 2019 WC...

 

[msb314]

Misbah built a team. A team that included the likes of Akmal, Maqsood and Junaid. If you drop them and pick international failures like Malik, Sami and Shafiq (an ODI failure), you can hardly blame him.

He also recommended Azhar Ali as captain and rates Sami Aslam highly. Don't blame any of this on Misbah.

Yet he complained to the PCB that Umer Akmal has an attitude problem and got him ousted from the team. Same thing he did with Shehzad - he was a rising player who enjoyed the best form in his career under Misbah from 2013-2015 yet he tried to rid of him as well.

Remember the 2013 CT - he played Asad Shafiq, Imran Farhat and Nasir Jamshed in the same lineup

To this day, I have still not understood why Misbah did not advocate for Azhar Ali's selection once Hafeez got injured right before the 2015 WC? Yet he asked for Nasir Jamshed of all people lol! What was the logic behind that??

Misbah may have been a respectable person who presented himself well off the field but was a poor tacticial and strategist and an even worse eye for talent...

 

[Pete Rose]

Even if I have to compare what they have achieved so far, Malik would score ahead.
Hafeez is the government servant equivalent of a cricketer. He will take all actions that define a cricketer without ever achieving anything of note.

 

[Abdullah]

We've all seen him dance when the ball moves an inch. The only reason he hadn't been dropped in the last 4-5 years during his failures was because he's one of Misbah's best friends.

No different to Malik whatsoever

 

[Abdullah]

One game. This is based on one game, folks. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] also predicted that Malik would be made the captain after Misbah retired but that didn't happen. This won't either.

Malik will score against Zimbabwe on pitches that he is familiar with, then will fail against Lanka and England, getting himself ousted from the team again.

I called it before the ODIs that every batsman should score well here. Absolutely nothing to get so excited about from a guy who has debuted in 1999!! Off course I am happy but the realism is just gone.

 

[Abdullah]

I agree with you on this one.

Only one of Malik and Hafeez should play in the ODI team since playing them both limits the opportunities for Sami Aslam, Shehzad, Babar Azam, Rizwan and even Maqsood and Umer Akmal who (according to many experts would be best suited in the middle orders).

I would probably side with Malik since I think he is the more talented of the two and seems to have a mentoring effect on the youngsters which Hafeez (and Misbah and Afridi) do/did not have. He would be an ideal player to guide the likes of Shehzad, Babar, Haris Sohail.

He is still a brilliant fielder and has an astute cricketing brain who can help Azhar Ali.

My only concern is his struggles and pace and swing bowling - he would get exposed in SAF, England, NZ but it may work out well for us until the 2019 WC...

BADLY EXPOSED. Hafeez is better with the ball at least.
We need to build for that world cup and Malik will be in his 20th year of international cricket!! Says it all

 

[Mamoon]

One game. This is based on one game, folks. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] also predicted that Malik would be made the captain after Misbah retired but that didn't happen. This won't either.

Malik will score against Zimbabwe on pitches that he is familiar with, then will fail against Lanka and England, getting himself ousted from the team again.

You predicted that he won't be anywhere near the team, but he's back and not going anywhere any time soon. Him returning after the World Cup in a post-Misbah and Afridi would was inevitable, so my assessment was a lot closer than yours. He's not the captain but he's in the team, and not in wilderness like you said.

As far as captaincy is concerned, there is a decent possibility that he will take over in T20s next year.