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Mohammad Hafeez's bowling action cleared by the ECB

I reckon it’s a commercial decision as ECB knows very well that a mega star like Hafeez not playing in the English domestic T20 league could lead to significant reduction in the global TV audience given he’s a big crowd puller, and sponsors could also question their affiliation with a T20 league that misses out on all three of Kohli, AB De Villiers and Hafeez.
 
Not everything in life needs a measuring tape

Actually sorry but when somebody’s livelihood is at stake and it’s a national matter then of course there needs to be very stringent objective criteria.

I have been watching, following this game long enough to know exactly what he is doing. It can’t happen that this guy has been called by different umpires at different places four/five times.

Again your subjective views should not be the basis for deciding a persons livelihood. We need objective measures and rule of law applied with equality and procedural integrity. He may be called 5 times but it could be that he’s bowling 15 degrees with straightening. He’s always been marginal.

This guy Hafeez is absolute shameless individual who has been caught four/five times now and

shameless? Again this is your subjective view. I’ve been watching cricket since the 80’s and I can tell you hafeez seems to be the epitome of dogged mediocrity. He’ stays away from, drugs, girls, spot fixing, stitching up his mates. Basically anything that ruffles feathers and he goes about his business recognising he’s at the end of his career. But this isn’t about him. It’s about procedures. He’s absolutely right to stand his ground.

15 degree is just a limit, set by ICC to avoid controversial calls - they wanted to keep it measurable so that there is a standard. In olden days, there was no such rule,

used to be 10 degrees then they realised many glittering stars exceeded that so they brought in 15 degrees. But one cannot reasonably discern 14/15/16 degrees. All marginal but one of those numbers makes him shameless? A cheat? Isn’t that a bit strong?

15 degree rule has restored confidence in umpires hence this guy Hafeez is caught five times & he‘ll be caught again

He’s marginal! There are procedural flaws Bruce Elliott’s team have been harping in about this for decades.
 
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Celebrates his return to bowling with a duck vs MCC.
 
He will be banned again, will not be the first time . Don;t know why we are dragging along this old and useless cricketer in Pakistan team.
 
Don’t know why the professor gets so much hate. He plays a vital role in the team with bowl and bat. He’s helped us win many games and helped us win the champions trophy in 2017.

He is a must in the t20 World Cup and then should retire after that. On the other note Malik shouldn’t be in the team.
 
Don’t know why the professor gets so much hate. He plays a vital role in the team with bowl and bat. He’s helped us win many games and helped us win the champions trophy in 2017.

He is a must in the t20 World Cup and then should retire after that. On the other note Malik shouldn’t be in the team.

How many more years we will keep paying the price if his one rare good inning 3 years ago. And, criticizing someone for his lack of performance is not called "hate" in cricketing language. Yes, he is also must for 2027 WC.
 
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I thought it was incredible that Babar didn't bring Hafeez on, as soon as Morgan came to the crease.

Malan and Morgan were gifted so many freebies by the bowlers, yet Hafeez wasn't used at all.

Very strange captaincy.
 
I thought it was incredible that Babar didn't bring Hafeez on, as soon as Morgan came to the crease.

Malan and Morgan were gifted so many freebies by the bowlers, yet Hafeez wasn't used at all.

Very strange captaincy.

Could it be a reason that PCB has instructed team not to use Hafeez to avoid further embarrassment? Once bitten, twice shy - PCB had been bitten three or four times I believe. Otherwise absolutely no reason not to bring Hafeez when pacers were bowling filth & Iftekhar was bowling part-timers.
 
Could it be a reason that PCB has instructed team not to use Hafeez to avoid further embarrassment? Once bitten, twice shy - PCB had been bitten three or four times I believe. Otherwise absolutely no reason not to bring Hafeez when pacers were bowling filth & Iftekhar was bowling part-timers.

Has to be. Otherwise which captain wouldn't use Hafeez, the best option against lefties, against a strong team like Eng?
 
Could it be a reason that PCB has instructed team not to use Hafeez to avoid further embarrassment? Once bitten, twice shy - PCB had been bitten three or four times I believe. Otherwise absolutely no reason not to bring Hafeez when pacers were bowling filth & Iftekhar was bowling part-timers.

I've made some enquiries. Hafeez was ready to bowl and in fact discussions had taken place before the match about when he would bowl.
 
he aint gonna bowl much at all till the t20 wc, they dont call him the professor for nothing.

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he aint gonna bowl much at all till the t20 wc, they dont call him the professor for nothing.

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He would have bowled here better than anyone including Shadab, if he had decided to stress his luck a little with umpires. Hafeez has more intelligence than entire PAK attack combined and he had runs to defend on a day two lefties roosted on PAK bowling.
 
He would have bowled here better than anyone including Shadab, if he had decided to stress his luck a little with umpires. Hafeez has more intelligence than entire PAK attack combined and he had runs to defend on a day two lefties roosted on PAK bowling.

agree, but if i dont have a problem with him going under the radar till the t20 wc, he gonna chuck with gay abandon if pak reach latter stages of that tourni and by the time any ban can come into effect he will have sailed off into the sunset.

Is Hafeez even the same bowler? I doubt it

regardless of skill level or technical ability, prime hafeez was one of our smartest spinners, and given the worrying lack of brains in the bowling attack in general, as much as i hate to say it, even a 40 year old hafeez bowling semi decent in asia is one of the first names in the xi.
 
What Hafeez is very good at is using batsman’s psychology - what a batsman would do in a pressure run chase (or target setting) situation; then he will setup counter measures. Bowlers like Tendulkar, Viv, Mark Waugh, Hari De Silva, Salim Malik .... were master of this trick. But, for Hafeez, he had much better control than any part-timers, more variations in spin & flight and he had a deadly drift towards lefti, bowling round the wicket. Unfortunately, chucking (read bending elbow too much) is part of his bowling skills. Had he could manage same set of skills with a clean action, he would have ended as an LO ATG, for PAK at least.
 
Hafeez Bowling absence last game

Why wasnt hafeez used against the left handers today when they were batting today. Surely he is cleared to bowl now ? I really think they should use him! Strange not to jet him bowl he is much better than uncle Ifty
 
Because he is a serial chucker. If he bowls without chucking he will be useless and will get smashed around...then he'll start to chuck & get reported for the upteenth time.
 
Doubt he would have been able to stop Morgan's onslaught.
Babar's tacticcs are a big issue here. Sarfraz was very good at defending totals.
 
No. His action was cleared.

Have a feeling Hafeez doesnt want to bowl himself as ECB will be watching. Probably thinking of some future assignment in UK - maybe Hundred.
 
Pakistan has been struggling in T20Is lately, yet these are Mohammad Hafeez's numbers with the ball in 2020:

Did not bowl
Did not bowl
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1-0-7-0
Did not bowl
Did not bowl
Did not bowl
Did not bowl
Did not bowl

He wants to bowl, but the skippers aren't using him.
 
Maybe they don’t want him getting banned before the WT20? Either him or Imad should’ve bowled the first over, don’t know why we don’t use spin first anymore.
 
Hafeez still bowls! And he's making Chris Gayle look very very awkward. I suspect he's been brought on because his record vs Gayle is phenomenal.
 
He shouldn't bowl until the t20 world cup. Then he can unleash his throw downs and get batsmen run out with his beautiful throwing action.
 
Waqar Younis:

"We’ve not needed Mohammad Hafeez as a bowler but he is still on our radar. He’s bowling in the nets and if he can bowl that will definitely increase our bowling strength. We are keeping an eye on him but overall the bowlers did quite well but I am sure Hafeez will be useful in the upcoming World Cups too."
 
He's a harmless bowler without the straightening. If he cant make it on batting merit, he should be discarded . He has always been rubbish with a legal action and its not worth selecting him for it.
 
Waqar Younis:

"We’ve not needed Mohammad Hafeez as a bowler but he is still on our radar. He’s bowling in the nets and if he can bowl that will definitely increase our bowling strength. We are keeping an eye on him but overall the bowlers did quite well but I am sure Hafeez will be useful in the upcoming World Cups too."

This confirms it. It's a simple strategy use him for world cup which I get. No need to risk it now.
Not sure if anyone remembers we had done another strange strategy by not bowling Saeed Ajmal until knock out stage in one of the t20 world cups I think or maybe it was odi so teams don't get used to it and were more surprised by doosra and also it won't get called for chucking by that time.
 
He isn't the bowler he was when he was chucking and won't be any use now.

Chances are that Malik comes back into the side for the world cup so he covers the 6th bowling option anyway.
 
His bowling days seem to be over. If he does bowl, I would be worried about him getting called up for chucking. Really don’t want that drama again.
 
I don’t think he’s in the slightest bit concerned about his bowling action. Comes a time in ones career that they are happy to take the field in whatever capacity against whomever. Hafeez is pretty much untouchable I’m sure he will be retiring (from bowling at least) in the near future. If he’s chucking , he’s always deemed to be marginal
 
I think Waqar played it safe today at the press conference, because the reality is that they know Hafeez will be in trouble if he bowls on a regular basis and will sooner or later get banned.

There can be no other reason for him not bowling.
 
I don’t think he’s in the slightest bit concerned about his bowling action. Comes a time in ones career that they are happy to take the field in whatever capacity against whomever. Hafeez is pretty much untouchable I’m sure he will be retiring (from bowling at least) in the near future. If he’s chucking , he’s always deemed to be marginal

The first time he was tested under the new protocol, he averaged 28, 27, 27 and 26 degrees in his 4 overs with a maximum of 31 degrees. Nowhere as much as Ajmal but not that close to 15 either
 
The first time he was tested under the new protocol, he averaged 28, 27, 27 and 26 degrees in his 4 overs with a maximum of 31 degrees. Nowhere as much as Ajmal but not that close to 15 either

This was almost 7 years ago and much work has been done by the bowler since then.
But the issue with these tests is this. Most research gains credibility on the basis of Peer Reviews ie those in the field get to scrutinise the methods and data before it can pass the credibility test. These icc tests appear to be shrouded in mystery. I’m not saying they are not legitimate but simply stating whilst they remain conducted in secret labs away from the scientific community at large there will always be doubts about their methods and technology used.

Honestly I don’t care whether Hafeez bowls or doesn’t. In a weak batting line up such as Pakistans at the fag end of his career I’m sure he will play in whatever capacity.

There was a time when simply the act of being called for chucking was enough to end a bowlers career. The process of remodelling the action was such that a returning bowler would essentially be ineffective given that he may have had the suspect action from his teenage years. So calling a bowler weeded out dodgy actions. But in Hafeez’s case it appears that he’s become adept at passing the test and has managed to get quite close to 15 degrees. The constant calling out has in effect toughened him up further infact he appears to be bowling out of a challenge to the establishment rather than any particular effectiveness for the team.

It’ll be interesting to see how much he has visited the lab at LUMS in these past few months. One thing is for sure though Pakistan simply don’t have a legal off spinner worth his salt in the national set up and this is a tragedy.
 
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This was almost 7 years ago and much work has been done by the bowler since then.
But the issue with these tests is this. Most research gains credibility on the basis of Peer Reviews ie those in the field get to scrutinise the methods and data before it can pass the credibility test. These icc tests appear to be shrouded in mystery. I’m not saying they are not legitimate but simply stating whilst they remain conducted in secret labs away from the scientific community at large there will always be doubts about their methods and technology used.

Honestly I don’t care whether Hafeez bowls or doesn’t. In a weak batting line up such as Pakistans at the fag end of his career I’m sure he will play in whatever capacity.

There was a time when simply the act of being called for chucking was enough to end a bowlers career. The process of remodelling the action was such that a returning bowler would essentially be ineffective given that he may have had the suspect action from his teenage years. So calling a bowler weeded out dodgy actions. But in Hafeez’s case it appears that he’s become adept at passing the test and has managed to get quite close to 15 degrees. The constant calling out has in effect toughened him up further infact he appears to be bowling out of a challenge to the establishment rather than any particular effectiveness for the team.

It’ll be interesting to see how much he has visited the lab at LUMS in these past few months. One thing is for sure though Pakistan simply don’t have a legal off spinner worth his salt in the national set up and this is a tragedy.

I largely agree with the process being shrouded in mystery . I think the issue is that testing a bowler's action is a lot more complicated than anyone, ICC included, bargained for . I believe Bruce Elliott pointed out that the measuring points can make a significant difference in measuring elbow flexion and there seems to be no consensus across the board as to how to measure flexion accurately.

But you have to consider the financial implications of spending considerable amount of resources into developing a comprehensive method of biomechanical testing that takes all factors into account and then have all the member boards do rigorous testing for all domestic bowlers so that they have clean actions by the time they reach the inter national level. That would mean that the boards would incur massive costs too. Also, there would be nothing stopping "cleared" bowlers from chucking in a crucial moment in a game. Umpires would be reluctant to call a bowler who had undergone such extensive testing and ICC would not get the desired outcome despite the expenditures.

To solve all that, I think ICC just decided on a testing method that largely agreed with the naked eye test with respect to elbow flexion. This meant it was cheaper for all boards as domestic umpires could call out bowlers for suspect actions with confidence and could save the boards a lot of money instead of spending on extensive testing.

So, while I agree that the current procedure is somewhat ad hoc, I think the previous one was even more so. The clues were given in Ajmal's testing when Ajmal was, reportedly,, asked to replicate his action in the match in which he was reported and he was unhappy about. This suggests to me that the UWA used to let bowlers bowl without replicating their actions in the match and so i dont think that was a particularly credible approach either.

There would be no perfect solution until we have in game testing (including in domestic)which would prevent those who are consciously chucking from pushing their luck and would help those who have genuine motor control issues rectify their actions. I believe Hafeez belongs in the former category because he's perfectly capable of bowling 10 overs with a perfect action but at the World Cup against Morgan and Stokes, he resorted to his old action .

There is nothing tragic about Pakistan not having an effective, legal off spinner for ODIs. No team does. In the last 30 years , I can only think of Saqi who was atleast effective in the 90's and maybe Swann for a couple of years. . Off spin is just irrelevant in white ball cricket now. In tests , it is still a fairly effective form of bowling with the likes of Swann, Lyon, Ashwin having success in recent years and Pakistan do have a bright prospect in Sajid Khan.
 
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He will be called at international level. Only time we can make use of his bowling is in the World Cup.

May he get Gayle out or something. Gone are the days where he will fit your 4 overs. Otherwise you can drop Nawaz.
 
So Hafeez bowling for the first time on this tour?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today is the first time since 13th December 2013 that Mohammad Hafeez has bowled 4 overs in a T20I <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ZIMvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ZIMvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1384841064486522883?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Hafeez is only bowling now to stay relevant in the team . After 50 runs in his last 4 t20 innings he has no choice but to try and stay in the team by hook or by crook so bowling at a mediocre Zimbabwe team should help him .
 
Hafeez is only bowling now to stay relevant in the team . After 50 runs in his last 4 t20 innings he has no choice but to try and stay in the team by hook or by crook so bowling at a mediocre Zimbabwe team should help him .

Or it could be that on a slow spinning wicket he’s actually quite useful
 
Hafeez is only bowling now to stay relevant in the team . After 50 runs in his last 4 t20 innings he has no choice but to try and stay in the team by hook or by crook so bowling at a mediocre Zimbabwe team should help him .

To be fair to him today he got out to an absolute jaffa of a catch.
 
Hafeez is only bowling now to stay relevant in the team . After 50 runs in his last 4 t20 innings he has no choice but to try and stay in the team by hook or by crook so bowling at a mediocre Zimbabwe team should help him .

Stay in the team? Is there anyone who could possibly replace him? We can't even find replacements for Haider Ali.

Hafeez walks into the team even if he scores single digits til the world cup ends.
 
Hafeez is only bowling now to stay relevant in the team . After 50 runs in his last 4 t20 innings he has no choice but to try and stay in the team by hook or by crook so bowling at a mediocre Zimbabwe team should help him .

Hafeez is a good batsman, he is much better then the new crop. Stop hating irrationally.
 
Hafeez is a good batsman, he is much better then the new crop. Stop hating irrationally.

Hafeez averages 20 in 5 t20 World Cups with 1 50. It’s obvious he can’t cut the mustard when the pressure is on . I rather take a youngster like a khushdil or who ever ,instead of him . What’s their to gain from having Hafeez at the World Cup when his out put is so mediocre after playing two decades of world cups .
 
Stay in the team? Is there anyone who could possibly replace him? We can't even find replacements for Haider Ali.

Hafeez walks into the team even if he scores single digits til the world cup ends.

He walks into the World Cup as a senior and then his output is an average of 20 after 5 t20 world cups with 1 50 and a SR of 105.

I don’t get the fixation with Hafeez when he is a proven failure at the highest level . We really need to move on from him . His experience counts for nothing as he is a mediocre player .
 
He walks into the World Cup as a senior and then his output is an average of 20 after 5 t20 world cups with 1 50 and a SR of 105.

I don’t get the fixation with Hafeez when he is a proven failure at the highest level . We really need to move on from him . His experience counts for nothing as he is a mediocre player .

I don't disagree but we need a replacement first! Hafeez is low on the list of things that need fixing in our team lol
 
I don't disagree but we need a replacement first! Hafeez is low on the list of things that need fixing in our team lol

If we are planning for the World Cup then Hafeez is also an issue that needs fixing . If he is going to average just 20 and have a SR of 105 based on the stats of his previous 5 world cups then surely that is not acceptable ! Why allow him another World Cup .
Give his spot to someone else who may not do any worse but at least he will get the experience of playing in a World Cup and hopefully learn from the experience .
Recycling Hafeez for such mediocre output is a big no no .
 
If we are planning for the World Cup then Hafeez is also an issue that needs fixing . If he is going to average just 20 and have a SR of 105 based on the stats of his previous 5 world cups then surely that is not acceptable ! Why allow him another World Cup .
Give his spot to someone else who may not do any worse but at least he will get the experience of playing in a World Cup and hopefully learn from the experience .
Recycling Hafeez for such mediocre output is a big no no .

I'll make it easy for you. We aren't going to win the t20 world cup.

For us to replace Hafeez we need to find THREE new batsmen in the side to occupy 4, 5 and 6 within six months. Given almost every 'power hitter' and 'finisher' and 'aggressive' batsman in Pakistan has already been tried and the experiment has bore precisely zero new players, it means that it will take a miracle for Hafeez to lose his number 4 spot before the WC.

You're certainly not wrong that we need to move well away from even considering having 40 year olds in our line up, but sadly the talent and coaching is completely bankrupt in Pakistan right now. Our expectations need to be managed alongside the little they're capable of producing.
 
I'll make it easy for you. We aren't going to win the t20 world cup.

For us to replace Hafeez we need to find THREE new batsmen in the side to occupy 4, 5 and 6 within six months. Given almost every 'power hitter' and 'finisher' and 'aggressive' batsman in Pakistan has already been tried and the experiment has bore precisely zero new players, it means that it will take a miracle for Hafeez to lose his number 4 spot before the WC.

You're certainly not wrong that we need to move well away from even considering having 40 year olds in our line up, but sadly the talent and coaching is completely bankrupt in Pakistan right now. Our expectations need to be managed alongside the little they're capable of producing.

If we are not going to win the World Cup , and realistically it seems tough unless we play a few absolute blinders , then it makes even less to give Hafeez the luxury of another World Cup .

As I me mentioned earlier he has a SR of 105 over 30 t20 World Cup matches . You definitely ain’t not power hitting , or finishing ability with those kind of stats!

In fact it begs the question why he is even being taken again .

I rather take the Hussain Talats, and whoever of this current crop over Hafeez. He is a serial match loser for us . End of .
 
If we are not going to win the World Cup , and realistically it seems tough unless we play a few absolute blinders , then it makes even less to give Hafeez the luxury of another World Cup .

As I me mentioned earlier he has a SR of 105 over 30 t20 World Cup matches . You definitely ain’t not power hitting , or finishing ability with those kind of stats!

In fact it begs the question why he is even being taken again .

I rather take the Hussain Talats, and whoever of this current crop over Hafeez. He is a serial match loser for us . End of .

I think as the poster above has stated, Hafeez is not the first problem. And if he has a World Cup average of 20 plus a few handy wickets here and there that in itself is not a reason to drop somebody. You have to be mindful of the overall context and balance of the team. Ie too many all rounders is a problem, too many over 35s not good either and too many rookies is a disaster. At the moment I can’t see a single player introduced in the last 12 months who looks a solid bet. Only riz, babar and Fakhar in the top order look to be permanent batting fixtures.
 
Ok...
so far..

Babar
Riz
Fakhar
Hafeez
???
???

After dropping Hafeez...

Babar
Riz
Fakhar
???
???
???

More problems.
 
Ok...
so far..

Babar
Riz
Fakhar
Hafeez
???
???

After dropping Hafeez...

Babar
Riz
Fakhar
???
???
???

More problems.

Hafeez is part of the problem . Hence why he have struggled in the most recent t20 world. Cups .

If Hafeez is given a safe pass to another World Cup, he will just bottle it like he has in the previous world 5 cups , and it will be at the expense of another player who might actually rise to the occasion.

I rather take a player like A Talat or a Khushdil than Hafeez . As we know what we are going to get with Hafeez , as his sample size of underperforming at T20 world cups is massive .

It bamboozles me how we still advocate for a player who has 1 50 in 30 t20 World Cup innings with a SR of 105 and an average of 20. It’s embarrassing .
 
Mohammad Hafeez bowled for Pakistan after a long time last night.

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England won the match and the series is over hence there will be no reporting.

Anyway, i am for legalized chucking in the spirit of the game.

However blatant batta bowling should never be allowed.

You must at least pretend to bowl legally like i used to before i learnt a proper bowling action. My Glenn McGrath mimicry was pure batta bowling and it was somewhat embarrassing.
 
I saw the match and thought it was fine.

His action used to be blatant in the past, he has obviously done a few corrections.
 
England won the match and the series is over hence there will be no reporting.

Anyway, i am for legalized chucking in the spirit of the game.

However blatant batta bowling should never be allowed.

You must at least pretend to bowl legally like i used to before i learnt a proper bowling action. My Glenn McGrath mimicry was pure batta bowling and it was somewhat embarrassing.

I found Glenn Mcgrath action so difficult to mimic for some reason and couldn't bowl with it without chucking :))
Most clean action i found mimicking was Shane Bond but couldn't generate any sort of pace whatsoever :)) :))
 
Pretty obvious they are shielding him for world cup. They bowled him yesterday due to match and series being on the line with spinning tracks and lefties batting. I very much doubt he will bowl against WI. He may bowl in home series if both umpires are pakistani.
However, come world cup he will be bowling 2 to 4 overs every game and you could play a batsman in place of Husnain if going with 3 to 4 spinners otherwise another pacer like Amir or WAhab can play in place of Qadir.
 
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