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Mohammad Irfan Jr. - Lahore Qalandars and NBP pacer

He has the right attitude for a fast Bowler and height, maybe someone needs to work out a few kinks in the action.

Can be worked with.
 
There is no point in him playing domestic cricket.

He should be picked for the T20 side against the Windies.
 
Ellipsism said:
There is no point in him playing domestic cricket.

He should be picked for the T20 side against the Windies.
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well you were right he is good bowler and specialist death over with his yorkjer which is very

good quality
 
ExpressPacer said:
Misbah eating him alive. Pathetic action but pace looks good.
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Pace looks good? From what i watched he was bowling 130-132 clicks in his last over? If this is what our bowlers are then god help us. Whats worse is he averages 23 in Domestic Cricket.
 
Pakprideuk said:
Pace looks good? From what i watched he was bowling 130-132 clicks in his last over? If this is what our bowlers are then god help us. Whats worse is he averages 23 in Domestic Cricket.
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Yeah, he lost it in the end. Bowled one around 140 in his first few overs.

In terms of pace, the fastest we have are Sami and Bhatti. Sami consistently bowls over 145 in all his 4 overs. Whilte Bhatti is bowling around 144 sometimes.
 
No genuine pace or swing, just an awkward action and bounce. Not good enough for international cricket.
 
People who wanted him to be drafted into the national team should be held accountable. A giant trundler with Tanvir-like action, what's the hype about?
 
why can't we have bowlers who emulate the bowling actions of shane bond or brett lee?

he is really tall and could be a handful if he'd have a better action.
 
Mamoon said:
People who wanted him to be drafted into the national team should be held accountable. A giant trundler with Tanvir-like action, what's the hype about?
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What?

He was 135kph+ for the majority of his opening spell and was evidently troubling Billings and Smith.
 
Not even close to International cricket, as yet. Needs to work on his fitness, run up and follow through. Can;t do much about his action at this stage.
 
Mohammad Irfan Jr. of Lahore Qalandars

I realy like the look of this Irfan jnr guy. well built and good height. Still work in progress but he can be realy good in a year and would be ready for intl cricket. With what we have these days he looks best of the lot.
 
Very impressed with him.

Bowls a very good yorker and has all the makings of someone who can step up to international cricket in the shorter formats.
 
And what a great experience for him to get the chance to bowl to KP when in full flow.

Good learning experience for him.
 
3 full tosses to a set KP. Hes years away from international cricket
 
I dont mind the sixes. But repeating the same mistake again and again is a sign of immaturity as a bowler.

Just hope he doesnt go down the road of Sami and Wahab
 
very raw.

lucky he isn't playing under misbah otherwise we wouldn't see him again.
 
Choked at the end but I don't blame him, he's been solid for most of the tournament so far.
 
he got KP out in the first match
and look what happened today
****** KP off and he gave him a beating
 
at the end of the day he doesn't have the pace or the variety to be a good modern day LOI bowler - at least not yet
 
People will critisize him and what not.

Remember one thing, he's an emerging player. Hes new, barely played any first class games, and this is a domestic T20 tourny not international.

His opposition was a International Great.

Irfan Jr shouldn't feel hard done. Infact, what happened was good. He will learn from this and not make such mistakes at the international level. This is just domestic for him, so hes still learning.

Bowling Yorkers isn't that easy. Junaid Khan made the same mistake the other day, and he is an international player, and he bowled noballs(height). This guy didn't bowl no balls, but yes they were full tosses.

Will learn form this and get better

Forget him, look what happened to Shadab last night. Now, a statiscian will say that Shadab bowled terribly thus he had a high economy rate. But do you know what i saw last night? I saw that Shadab bowled his deliveries at the good length. He bowled really well, but his opposition, Babar Azam smacked him sixes from the Good length. His opposition was just too good, simple as that.

Shadab didn't bowl full tosses or short length deliveries, he just bowled them at good length and got smacked.

This doesn't mean Shadab is a bad bowler or even Irfan jr is bad bowler, it means they are learning. Remember, both are in emerging category.

When IPL started i remember that Virat Kohli kid from RCB. He was being hyped by the Indian commentators, who kept mentioning that he is the u19 captain and what not. I still remember how terribly he batted.

Guy played 13 matches, and avg 15 only. Terrible stuff. Season 2 and 3, avg 22 and 27. ANd now look at him. In the last ipl the guy ended up scoring 4 centuries. He's already an international great.

Irfan jr had a bad match, and i know many of you will go after him and say stuff about him. But remember, this is just domestic cricket and he will learn from here
 
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Better established, quality bowlers have taken a beating from KP over the years so for Irfan to be on the receiving end should be a major concern. There's plenty there to work with for sure and he'll learn from this.
 
He needs polishing.

He can bowl very good yorkers (albeit he got whacked today).

Needs to up his pace big time and like I said in the match thread, even Shinwari bowls at 140 clicks.

The other Irfan used to bowl around the 129 mark, but got hammered by Eng and he went back to the drawing board, hence came back faster at 140+ and was a real force.

Hoping this Irfan does the same, otherwise not much of a future for him.
 
Rana said:
I dont mind the sixes. But repeating the same mistake again and again is a sign of immaturity as a bowler.

Just hope he doesnt go down the road of Sami and Wahab
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There are some technical issues he needs to sort out. If they are corrected his pace and line would become a lot more consistent.
 
Will not be a long-term success for Pakistan, calling it out now. Of course he will get picked and do well in his first few games with people handing out humble pies as is the trend on PP, but one must look at the bigger picture.

Another one who will flatter to deceive. Take my advice and don't pin your hopes on him.
 
Mamoon said:
Will not be a long-term success for Pakistan, calling it out now. Of course he will get picked and do well in his first few games with people handing out humble pies as is the trend on PP, but one must look at the bigger picture.

Another one who will flatter to deceive. Take my advice and don't pin your hopes on him.
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I agree completely he may be useful in few T20s and thats all..he is not international quality and his action will not help the cause.

Ability to ball 6 yorkers is not something make you successful at international stage, but I hope he get to play domestic cricket and proof me wrong.
 
dhump said:
I agree completely he may be useful in few T20s and thats all..he is not international quality and his action will not help the cause.

Ability to ball 6 yorkers is not something make you successful at international stage, but I hope he get to play domestic cricket and proof me wrong.
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These T20 specialists have limited utility anyway, and not worthy of a lot of hype. The good thing is that if you perform in the PSL, you will get noticed easily, which means it has become easier to separate the wheat from the chaff. I hope Sadaf also gets his chance at some point so that we can settle his case as well.
 
Mamoon said:
These T20 specialists have limited utility anyway, and not worthy of a lot of hype. The good thing is that if you perform in the PSL, you will get noticed easily, which means it has become easier to separate the wheat from the chaff. I hope Sadaf also gets his chance at some point so that we can settle his case as well.
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T20 specialists are useful but unfortunately Pakistan failed to produce any of them by far. We call players like Anwar, Tanveer etc T20 specialist when they are just average cricketers whom are unfit for any other format anyways. I think a real T20 specialist like Andre Russel will do tons of good for Pakistan cricket, but unfortunately we dont even have anyone near him.

I really think it is unfair on Sadaf to see likes of Gul being selected and him being ignored in PSL.
 
dhump said:
T20 specialists are useful but unfortunately Pakistan failed to produce any of them by far. We call players like Anwar, Tanveer etc T20 specialist when they are just average cricketers whom are unfit for any other format anyways. I think a real T20 specialist like Andre Russel will do tons of good for Pakistan cricket, but unfortunately we dont even have anyone near him.

I really think it is unfair on Sadaf to see likes of Gul being selected and him being ignored in PSL.
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A player like Russell would walk into our team in all three formats. He might have the reputation of a T20 specialist, but he is a million times better all-rounder than anyone in Pakistan right now.
 
Mamoon said:
A player like Russell would walk into our team in all three formats. He might have the reputation of a T20 specialist, but he is a million times better all-rounder than anyone in Pakistan right now.
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Exactly my point.

Hence I dont see Irfan jnr making any impact on international stage he will be another Tanveer,Anwar ali or Mohd Irfan Snr no impact bowler.
 
Irfan is quality. It will take a while for people to understand his worth. I'd advise people not to judge fast bowlers based on 2 over spells on lifeless tracks and dry conditions.
 
dhump said:
I agree completely he may be useful in few T20s and thats all..he is not international quality and his action will not help the cause.

Ability to ball 6 yorkers is not something make you successful at international stage, but I hope he get to play domestic cricket and proof me wrong.
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Irfan is more than capable of seaming the ball which he has done throughout his opening spells in the PSL.

He's better suited for the longer format.
 
Ellipsism said:
Irfan is more than capable of seaming the ball which he has done throughout his opening spells in the PSL.

He's better suited for the longer format.
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Even a broken clock is correct twice a day my friend....He is just not international material for me I hope I am wrong but this is not how it seems atm.
 
dhump said:
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day my friend....He is just not international material for me I hope I am wrong but this is not how it seems atm.
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Care to elaborate? What about him isn't international quality.
 
Major said:
When IPL started i remember that Virat Kohli kid from RCB. He was being hyped by the Indian commentators, who kept mentioning that he is the u19 captain and what not. I still remember how terribly he batted.

Guy played 13 matches, and avg 15 only. Terrible stuff. Season 2 and 3, avg 22 and 27. ANd now look at him. In the last ipl the guy ended up scoring 4 centuries. He's already an international great.

Irfan jr had a bad match, and i know many of you will go after him and say stuff about him. But remember, this is just domestic cricket and he will learn from here
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Here is Kohli 8 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwDmIMIjEec

Playing on the same team as Kallis and Misbah.

Now it's good to see somebody like Babar Azam playing with Sanga and Mahela.
 
Will probably have learnt more today than he has in all of the cricket he has played previously.
 
Sub-Zero said:
those were attempted yorkers, Aaqib openly said he's capable of bowling 6 yorkers, but in reality he can't and then happens what KP did
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He probably is capable. In previous games he has bowled 4-5 decent yorkers in a over near the death of the innings but it happens. Young lad and pressure got to him bowling to KP. Learning curve for him and our other youngsters.
 
s.h.a.k said:
He probably is capable. In previous games he has bowled 4-5 decent yorkers in a over near the death of the innings but it happens. Young lad and pressure got to him bowling to KP. Learning curve for him and our other youngsters.
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yeah he has potential
In terms of mentality Hassaan is outstanding, he went through similar situation and won the match for his team.
 
Will have a career similar to Tanvir. Will burst onto the scene and rip through a few batsmen but then will become a dud once teams start analyzing his action.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Irfan needs to improve his fitness plus needs to eliminate his stagger just before delivering the ball. He stops and loses atleast 8kph because he loses momemtum. Also needs to use his non bowling arm better.If he can do that than He will become a scary 70's, 80's like tall West Indian fast bowlers. But I am sorry we don't have any Professional Coach to do these things professionally and scientifically. Give Irfan to high performance centre of Australia for 4-5 months and than see a threatening Fast bowler a strike bowler come out.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION]


If PCB ask CA will they agree to enroll him in their High Performance centre say for 4 months ? Charging PCB around 25,000-50,000 AUD


CA rules of business allows this ?
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You were so right. He is not ready yet by any stretch of imagination. Runup, follow through, use of non bowling arm, fluidity all need major work. No wonder you wanted PCB to invest 4 million rupees on him because you don't think PCB has resources to work on his deficiencies to make him world beater.
 
He looked a good bowler in his initial overs.

He cramps batsmen for room and always aims at the stumps.

Tailor made for t20 imo.

That horrid over was down to nerves. He was trying to bowl yorkers but ended up bowling trash full tosses.

With experience hopefully his mental toughness is improved.
 
Syed1 said:
3 overs for 27 runs and 0 wickets.
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don't go by figures bro without watching the match. Irfan Jr bowled some good yorkers at death batsmen were lucky to survive him. Amir and Wahab can't even bowl yorkers anymore.
 
Speedster777 said:
don't go by figures bro without watching the match. Irfan Jr bowled some good yorkers at death batsmen were lucky to survive him. Amir and Wahab can't even bowl yorkers anymore.
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I watched the match there were no yorkers, they were full-pitched deliveries that were smashed around.
 
I see nothing here but an other Sohail Tanvir. Once the novelty factors wheres off he will be annihilated in international cricket
 
Syed1 said:
I watched the match there were no yorkers, they were full-pitched deliveries that were smashed around.
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No he did.

"16.6 Mohammad Irfan to Amad Butt, no run, sensational bowling. Nails his fourth consecutive yorker. This one is also outside off, and sneaks under the batsman's attempted drive..."
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
The new Tanvir in more ways than one. Maybe Irfan also has a tool kit

Tool Kit Jnr
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:))

I honestly don't rate this guy.

He can bowl yorkers but he always ends up leaking runs.

Will probably have fitness issues with his build as well, not to mention his awkward action.

Don't understand the hype. He needs some work.
 
Square Drive said:
:))

I honestly don't rate this guy.

He can bowl yorkers but he always ends up leaking runs.

Will probably have fitness issues with his build as well, not to mention his awkward action.

Don't understand the hype. He needs some work.
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honestly all i see is the right handed tanvir

Same bowling, Same crap running, same crazy promotions, slightly better fielder



I don't want to go through that torture again for 8 years, unless he improves there is nothing to see here
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
honestly all i see is the right handed tanvir

Same bowling, Same crap running, same crazy promotions, slightly better fielder



I don't want to go through that torture again for 8 years, unless he improves there is nothing to see here
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Yeah, hopefully he does improve.

What irks me is the fact that Ghulam Mudassar is yet to get a game.
 
Hasn't impressed at all. The likes of Shadab etc. made big strides, but he doesn't look ready/good enough for this level. I wonder if LQ will retain him.

Two Sohail Tanvirs in one squad is an overkill.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Just like Hasan, Babar, Haris, Sharjeel, Handscomb, Rabada, Starc, Hazlewood and the list goes on. My track record speaks for itself.
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Your net balance became zero bro when you disclosed your blind support for Junior Akmal :uakmal
 
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I don't think you even need to go to the USA.

Professional fitness coaches in Australia who want to work in cricket or Australian Rules Football (which involves jumping & catching from height similar to basketball, so most athletes are tall) know how to work with tall athletes as those are two of the main sports in Australia- so their bread & butter for Aussie trainers.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Just like Hasan, Babar, Haris, Sharjeel, Handscomb, Rabada, Starc, Hazlewood and the list goes on. My track record speaks for itself.
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Lol @ Babar, Haris, Starc, Hazlewood. Who didn't hype those lads?

Hoping you end up being right about Irfan but I honestly wasn't too impressed with him.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Good experience for Irfan.
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These tweaks that we discuss here on pp are so simple yet these pacers do not tweak their actions to perform at their optimum. Its a real shame. I mean how difficult is it to adjust your action at this stage. All you have to do is to bowl alot during practice and see when do you generate more pace etc etc then you bowl at that release point etc.

He is not bad but I wanted to see someone of rabada's pace atleast. Maybe its just a matter of time. Lots of players during these talent hunt were genuine 15 or 16 who were bowling at 130s. So maybe after one year they get faster by more than a yard ie after one year they bowl at 140k which is possible.

But then again shadab khan was a u19 product not of fc

Regards
 
Square Drive said:
Lol @ Babar, Haris, Starc, Hazlewood. Who didn't hype those lads?

Hoping you end up being right about Irfan but I honestly wasn't too impressed with him.
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I rated these players before they became big and had to listen to a lot of rubbish. Starc used to be called a spraygun. Hazlewood a harmless trundler. Babar and Haris were heavily criticized as well.
 
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