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Mohammad Musa Khan - ODI performance watch

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ODI debut against Zimbabwe in the 2nd ODI

Hope he can live up to hype.

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Didn't deserve to actually be in the squad. Nevertheless I hope he's learnt from the phainta in Australia and has developed into a better bowler. All the best to him on debut
 
First wicket for him, hope more to come
 
From what I have seen on PP, there is no hype for him, only hatred.

Looks like a decent prospect to me. Has a lot to learn though to become a good player.
Certainly has better ingredients than some of the bowlers we have tried in the past like Mohammad Talha, Ehsan Adil and Asad Ali.

Hope he works hard and become a better cricketer.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
From what I have seen on PP, there is no hype for him, only hatred.

Looks like a decent prospect to me. Has a lot to learn though to become a good player.
Certainly has better ingredients than some of the bowlers we have tried in the past like Mohammad Talha, Ehsan Adil and Asad Ali.

Hope he works hard and become a better cricketer.
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Hype was tongue in cheek for the love he gets

Think he's a good bowler and should do well
 
He's bowled surprisingly well this game so far, interested to see how he bowls in his second spell.
 
Misbah seems to really like him across all formats.

I must admit I am surprised that he has already played for Pakistan in all three formats.
 
MenInG said:
Hype was tongue in cheek for the love he gets

Think he's a good bowler and should do well
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Looks like a good hardworking kid. Has a higher ceiling than a lot of bowlers we have tried in past.
 
To me he looks like someone who can be effective in white ball cricket at this stage of his career.

I can see a few minor adjustments to his bowling action already which have helped him.
 
Saj said:
To me he looks like someone who can be effective in white ball cricket at this stage of his career.

I can see a few minor adjustments to his bowling action already which have helped him.
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If he can reliably contribute 15 runs in limited overs, he will essentially become our version of Sam Curran.
 
Not bad today.

Looks like the Pakistani bowlers have been working hard on line and length
 
I like him.

He has got potential.

However Hasnain needs to be above Rauf and Musa.

That guy has some serious pace!
 
Saj said:
To me he looks like someone who can be effective in white ball cricket at this stage of his career.

I can see a few minor adjustments to his bowling action already which have helped him.
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Has a bit of Mohammad Sami in his run up and the way he delivers the ball. Hope he doesn't become as slippery as him.
 
He's improved a lot since the Australia tour back in 2019. He looks good. Hopefully he works on his batting and fielding.
 
Given his short height he has to be very accurate with his lengths as he bowled short of length in past.Good thing is he hit the pitch hard and his length is improving.
 
Mueez said:
I like him.

He has got potential.

However Hasnain needs to be above Rauf and Musa.

That guy has some serious pace!
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Although he is yet to do anyone for pace or even look quick except on the speed. I could swear he is the slowest 90mph in the history of the game.
 
Bowled pretty well today and accuracy has been improved a lot as he showed in National T20 cup. Another young player who was hyped like tmw then bashed based upon couple of matches and before he has even played 10 international matches combined.
 
Saj said:
Misbah seems to really like him across all formats.

I must admit I am surprised that he has already played for Pakistan in all three formats.
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I wonder what misbah sees in him that hes been been picked in practically every squad over the last year or so

Because hes domestically hes done nothing to deserve this
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
If he can reliably contribute 15 runs in limited overs, he will essentially become our version of Sam Curran.
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Sam Curran may not have pace or height but he has the skill that he swings the bowl quite prodigiously which is difficult to negotiate when the conditions are right

Musa to me seems to have none of these skills that will trouble good quality intnl batsmen He seems to come onto the bat far too easy for my liking

I hope musa does well but i remain unconvinced thus far with the set of skills he possesses
 
Bewal Express said:
Although he is yet to do anyone for pace or even look quick except on the speed. I could swear he is the slowest 90mph in the history of the game.
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Haha true that. Don’t know why.

Maybe [MENTION=152972]Pacy with wisdom[/MENTION] can explain...
 
Zaz said:
I wonder what misbah sees in him that hes been been picked in practically every squad over the last year or so

Because hes domestically hes done nothing to deserve this
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Perhaps it's due to the Islamabad United link.
 
Hes improved massively but he is a limited overs bowlers at best if he can work on his batting he can become like sam Curran
 
0-67 so far off 9 overs. Getting a phainta. Must be used to it by now since it happens so regularly.
 
What do the management see in him ? FC and List A averages above 40, yet he has played all three formats ?
 
Can't say I watched the match, but if you go 0-80 against Zimbabwe you ain't ready for international cricket. Needs to be sent back to the domestics, lmao our pacers get thrashed like that against England's dominant batting attack on those flat English wickets and they can't find a spot in the line-up for a while this kids getting smashed at home against Zimbabwe, enough said.
 
Probably suffered a bit coming in after Shaheen and Hasnain. Better bowlers than Musa would seem like cannon fodder after that.

He is sadly short and doesn't have enough about him to persist. Maybe in a few years but he'll have to work very hard given his competition. I'd say Shaheen, Wahab, Rauf, Naseem, Hasnain and Amir are all ahead of him right now.
 
He is a slightly better version of Bilawal Bhatti.

And the problem of vert short fast bowlers is, they go for plenty quite often.
 
Poor guy has been tbhrown to the deep end prematurely. At least let him play a few domestic tournaments first.
 
It clearly shows how bad coach is Waqar. Doesn't have an eye for talent. Also Waqar doesn't have any talent to teach others.As a bowling coach Waqar is even worse than Walsh.
 
He gets a lot of hate on this forum, and i can see why after todays performance, very ordinary bowler, hasnain on the other hand looked to trouble the zim batsmen all the time.
 
Shafi said:
It clearly shows how bad coach is Waqar. Doesn't have an eye for talent. Also Waqar doesn't have any talent to teach others.As a bowling coach Waqar is even worse than Walsh.
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Waqar doesn’t do the selections.

Secondly Waqar deserves lots of credit for the remarkable improvements to Shaheen, Rauf, and Hasnain over the last 6 months.

Terrible head coach but there are good improvements under his reign as bowling coach.
 
Musa only needs to grow another 8 inches taller to be a viable international pace bowler.
 
I try not to make extreme sweeping statements, but I can't help with Musa Khan (and obviously Faheem Ashraf) . .

To be successful as a fast bowler, other than having a brain and being mentally/physically strong, you need to either move the ball (seam or swing) . . you need to have extreme pace (150 kph avg) . . or you need to have height so you can get extra bounce . . Good bowlers will have at least one of the three and be very good at it . . great bowlers will have 2 or more of these qualities . . exceptional cases are those who become absolute masters of one like a James Anderson . .

Musa has none of these qualities . . and with that action and run up, there is no way he will become even half decent . . he almost needs an IK sort of resurrection wherein he realizes with that action and run up, he isn't getting anywhere . .

So let me make an extreme prediction . . Musa will not get anywhere in his career . . his seletion is enough for me to question Misbah's selection policy and vision! Hell, I'd prefer Faheem Ashraf playing only as a bowler to Musa! He needs to be discarded ASAP for his own good and sent back to domestic to do some serious work! Either come back like a Shaun Tait bowling crazy pace or learn how to seam the ball (cuz he can't swing it with that action)
 
NauV said:
I try not to make extreme sweeping statements, but I can't help with Musa Khan (and obviously Faheem Ashraf) . .

To be successful as a fast bowler, other than having a brain and being mentally/physically strong, you need to either move the ball (seam or swing) . . you need to have extreme pace (150 kph avg) . . or you need to have height so you can get extra bounce . . Good bowlers will have at least one of the three and be very good at it . . great bowlers will have 2 or more of these qualities . . exceptional cases are those who become absolute masters of one like a James Anderson . .

Musa has none of these qualities . . and with that action and run up, there is no way he will become even half decent . . he almost needs an IK sort of resurrection wherein he realizes with that action and run up, he isn't getting anywhere . .

So let me make an extreme prediction . . Musa will not get anywhere in his career . . his seletion is enough for me to question Misbah's selection policy and vision! Hell, I'd prefer Faheem Ashraf playing only as a bowler to Musa! He needs to be discarded ASAP for his own good and sent back to domestic to do some serious work! Either come back like a Shaun Tait bowling crazy pace or learn how to seam the ball (cuz he can't swing it with that action)
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If most of the ppers can see this why cant midbah n waqar
 
Markhor said:
Misbah and Waqar are drunk on pace.
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He's not that quick. At his height he'd need to be hitting close to 150kph to be a threat, he actually bowls in the 140s, which is not bad, but every medium fast bowler can do that, and they usually have bounce or swing to go with it.

I really don't know what these coaches expect, I like Musa's energy, but he's just not a good bowler at this level.
 
Id guess and say hes about 5'8

Clesrly 3-4 inches shorter than the 6ft wahab
 
If Waqar seriously rates this guy, he is more foolish than I thought he was. This guy has absolutely no skill to speak of, and on top of it, he's probably the shortest pacer in the world. I'm sorry but Musa doesn't have a future in international cricket unless he can bowl 150+ regularly.

The time being wasted on him is better invested on Akif Javed, who is twice the bowler this guy is. Nothing against Musa personally, I'm sure he's a good kid, but this has to stop immediately.
 
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Third Man said:
If Waqar seriously rates this guy, he is more foolish than I thought he was. This guy has absolutely no skill to speak of, and on top of it, he's probably the shortest pacer in the world. I'm sorry but Musa doesn't have a future in international cricket unless he can bowl 150+ regularly.

The time being wasted on him is better invested on Akif Javed, who is twice the bowler this guy is. Nothing against Musa personally, I'm sure he's a good kid, but this has to stop immediately.
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Musa has no future in FC cricket also, he should concentrate on his studies or look for some other job.
 
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Kaddy said:
He is a slightly better version of Bilawal Bhatti.

And the problem of vert short fast bowlers is, they go for plenty quite often.
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I remember two years ago somebody in a Talent Spotter thread compared him to Neil Wagner.

There's hyping and then there's delusion.
 
He's at best 5'8" and that is being generous. Doesnt have great control or 150+ speed and swing etc. Hes not going to have much of a career with his current attributes +skillset
 
He should be hired as a mentality coach, because he actually has a fantastic ability to stay calm under pressure that a lot of our players could learn from. Other than that, yet another demonstration of why he averages 40+ in both FC and LA
 
Granted he is young and can improve, but should be nowhere near the Pakistan team
 
give him (or any youngster) a fair run of 10 games, after that an assessment would be fair...
 
The problem today was that he got carted for 10 fours and most of them were awful deliveries.

Yes as a youngster you will have good and bad days, but he couldn't land the ball on the same spot for consecutive deliveries - if you can't do that then you are in trouble.
 
He should not be playing for Pakistan just because he can bowl over 140 kph. He is a canon fodder with the lack of bounce and also a spray gun. If management wants a random youngster then pick Arshad Iqbal. He bowls around around 135kph, accurate and generates good bounce because of his height.
 
Average. I don’t know what Misbah see’s in him because he hasn’t done anything of note at the domestic level either.

At least Hasnain topped the PSL charts, Naseem did well in the QeA in the 6-7 games he played and Haris has performed in the National T20 and BBL as well. What’s this midget done?
 
shah_1 said:
He should not be playing for Pakistan just because he can bowl over 140 kph. He is a canon fodder with the lack of bounce and also a spray gun. If management wants a random youngster then pick Arshad Iqbal. He bowls around around 135kph, accurate and generates good bounce because of his height.
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What as a all rounder ?
 
Ellipsism said:
Average. I don’t know what Misbah see’s in him because he hasn’t done anything of note at the domestic level either.

At least Hasnain topped the PSL charts, Naseem did well in the QeA in the 6-7 games he played and Haris has performed in the National T20 and BBL as well. What’s this midget done?
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That was proberly waqar decision
 
shamaan said:
That was proberly waqar decision
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Well the entire point of the dual role was that he’d be held accountable for selection and the teams performance. It’s his squad, so it was his decision.
 
Let him develop in domestic cricket. If he’s good enough, he’ll perform and force his way into the national team. But what’s with this obsession of pigeon-holing him into the team at any cost?
 
Ellipsism said:
Well the entire point of the dual role was that he’d be held accountable for selection and the teams performance. It’s his squad, so it was his decision.
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Very good point and a valid point ultimately it is misbah squad
 
Misbah does seem to have an obsession with him. He has been given a debut each of the formats now, without any real performances to merit selection. It's not his fault though that he has been fast tracked like this. He needs to play a lot more domestic games and he should only be considered for T20's atm (maybe that's even a stretch).
 
The Viper said:
Misbah does seem to have an obsession with him. He has been given a debut each of the formats now, without any real performances to merit selection. It's not his fault though that he has been fast tracked like this. He needs to play a lot more domestic games and he should only be considered for T20's atm (maybe that's even a stretch).
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Not just that.

When he "dropped" Musa for the Bangladesh Test series he actually kept him with the squad!!!!!!!
 
Nothing suggest he can't be a bowling allrounder we need , the guy bats sensibly and have got nerves of steel, bowling is not up to the International standards for now but he is young and can improve after couple of seasons.
 
The Viper said:
Misbah does seem to have an obsession with him. He has been given a debut each of the formats now, without any real performances to merit selection. It's not his fault though that he has been fast tracked like this. He needs to play a lot more domestic games and he should only be considered for T20's atm (maybe that's even a stretch).
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I no misbah is the head coach and cheif selector but surely waqar picked these bowlers so he should share some responsibility but ultimately majority of the blame should be with misbah
 
Musa only hope is to work on his batting to have a professional cricket career
 
More worrying than his bowling average in the ODIs vs ZIM is his economy rate - 6.24 !

That against 14th ranked ODI team.
 
Thrown in too early and without some hard yards in domestic.
 
His height was always going to be a disadvantage.

Needs to be at the least 85% accurate to survive international cricket. Once Hasan Ali lost it because of injuries or overconfidence he became a cannon folder.

I would rather invest in taller options like Akif Javed.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
His height was always going to be a disadvantage.

Needs to be at the least 85% accurate to survive international cricket. Once Hasan Ali lost it because of injuries or overconfidence he became a cannon folder.

I would rather invest in taller options like Akif Javed.
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Akif javed is a good option but hes injuired proberly will be out until next psl
 
Questions need to be asked and answers needed from misbah Musa helped cost the team a win the other day on the back of not deserving a place in the team

What exactly do waqar misbah see in him when ppers can see he lacks bowling skiills, he doesnt swing or seam the ball and neither is he particularly accurate, fast or generates good bounce?
 
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I don't think height is his biggest problem.

He is very raw, needs more cricket before he plays international cricket.
 
Saj said:
I don't think height is his biggest problem.

He is very raw, needs more cricket before he plays international cricket.
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Half the hate he gets isn't necessarily even his fault either. He simply should not have been selected at this point in his career without any domestic performances to speak of.
 
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