Mohammad Rizwan gets into poor positions whilst playing some shots

[waleed88]

His back foot shot off the spinner when he cuts a spinner square. I've seen him get bowled a few times playing that shot. He somewhat gets into a tangle and its awkward to see because a good bowler can get him

When he tries to hook a ball, or trying to flick the ball on a quicker bowler.. case is when he got hit in the groin area by Mark Wood while he was trying to flick that ball on the leg side..

Doesn't have a big shot in his bowling either

His tendency to get run out when in panic is also one of his problems.

I am still not convinced by him, has alot of work to do on himself if he wants to make it big like Sarfaraz or even challenge him for the spot

 

[Hawkeye]

Yes, but so does other bats like Malik, Sarfraz, Azhar.

They're all similar type of one dimensional bats and scoring fast is "unnatural" for them.

They can, however, score at 80-90 SR (Sarfaz, Azhar, Rizwan) if they're determined enough. But we can't play all of them, we have too many bats of similar type.

Need dynamic bats too who can rotate the strike plus be explosive.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

That's how he gets his runs on good balls even yorkers! The only clutch player we have.

 

[Suleiman]

Hmmm.. I wonder who else does that

 

[The_KING]

Who cares? He scores runs and is clutch.

 

[Hawkeye]

Yes, but so does other bats like Malik, Sarfraz, Azhar.

They're all similar type of one dimensional bats and scoring fast is "unnatural" for them.

They can, however, score at 80-90 SR (Sarfaz, Azhar, Rizwan) if they're determined enough. But we can't play all of them, we have too many bats of similar type.

Need dynamic bats too who can rotate the strike plus be explosive.

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] - you need to read this post.

Let's all think beyond our personal biases and favorites. It's a weakness our batting lineup has, and we won't win many matches/tournament with a 1-dimensional lineup.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Who cares? He scores runs and is clutch.

He is a bit like AB. Moves a lot, gets in awkward positions to play shots in order to get runs on even good deliveries. It could be a weakness but at 6 it's a quality allowing him to play clutch innings.

 

[Hasan123]

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] - you need to read this post.

Let's all think beyond our personal biases and favorites. It's a weakness our batting lineup has, and we won't win many matches/tournament with a 1-dimensional lineup.

Yes our batting is one dimensional but tell me where these dynamic batters are who can perform?

I have noticed rizwan weakness but I'm willing to give him time to improve. You have already made your mind up on him

 

[waleed88]

Yes, but so does other bats like Malik, Sarfraz, Azhar.

They're all similar type of one dimensional bats and scoring fast is "unnatural" for them.

They can, however, score at 80-90 SR (Sarfaz, Azhar, Rizwan) if they're determined enough. But we can't play all of them, we have too many bats of similar type.

Need dynamic bats too who can rotate the strike plus be explosive.

He moves a bit too much while batting, will always struggle against pace bowlers and good spinners, like Aadil Rasheed got him lbw in the previous game.

 

[GudduBadmash]

He moves a bit too much while batting, will always struggle against pace bowlers and good spinners, like Aadil Rasheed got him lbw in the previous game.

Struggles against pace? He made most of his runs today against pace, in particular their quickest bowler who has bowled over 86-95 MPH consistently this tour.



Pakistan fans are heavily biased against players they want their favourites to replace and I think you are a Sarfaraz fan so no need to be insecure, Sarfaraz is not going anywhere nor is Rizwan going to take his wicketkeeper spot from him. Both should be permanent stay in the team

 

[waleed88]

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] - you need to read this post.

Let's all think beyond our personal biases and favorites. It's a weakness our batting lineup has, and we won't win many matches/tournament with a 1-dimensional lineup.

Sarfaraz also moves around alot but his head his always steady, Rizwan's head is toppling over specially when flicking down the leg side, and his head positioning his not right when he is trying to cut either..

 

[waleed88]

Struggles against pace? He made most of his runs today against pace, in particular their quickest bowler who has bowled over 86-95 MPH consistently this tour.



Pakistan fans are heavily biased against players they want their favourites to replace and I think you are a Sarfaraz fan so no need to be insecure, Sarfaraz is not going anywhere nor is Rizwan going to take his wicketkeeper spot from him. Both should be permanent stay in the team

He has made no runs at all with all due respect this tour..

 

[Syed1]

You lot are talking as if it is a cake walk to pull a 90+ mph ball.

Rizwan played well. Turn your nitpicking into not picking.

 

[Syed1]

He has made no runs at all with all due respect this tour..

This was his second innings on this tour. Thanks for showing your ignorance

 

[Hawkeye]

Yes our batting is one dimensional but tell me where these dynamic batters are who can perform?

I have noticed rizwan weakness but I'm willing to give him time to improve. You have already made your mind up on him

No, I'm all for playing him IF you kick out Malik and Hafeez. Can't have all of them.

 

[Finisher]

Has a lot of work to do on his batting.

Looks like a tailender.

 

[waleed88]

This was his second innings on this tour. Thanks for showing your ignorance

I didn't read his post properly he was referring to Mark Wood bowling 86-95 in this tour..

He has looked pretty ordinary in the innings he has had, the run rate was around 5 when he came in to chase, you would have to really suicidal to mess that up

 

[waleed88]

Has a lot of work to do on his batting.

Looks like a tailender.

Does look like a tailender definitely, you could probably someone like Amir has more technique than him.
He has been shambles against spinners for quite a time now..

I would be worried for him against any top spinner like Ashwin/Jadeja/Tahir

 

[waleed88]

He is a bit like AB. Moves a lot, gets in awkward positions to play shots in order to get runs on even good deliveries. It could be a weakness but at 6 it's a quality allowing him to play clutch innings.

Would be interesting to see him play when the run rate is above 6 or around 7, he always seemed to disappear in big chases, it was easy for him to do it coz the rate was almost 5 while chasing

 

[Hasan123]

No, I'm all for playing him IF you kick out Malik and Hafeez. Can't have all of them.

Well Hafeez has lost his place for now

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Would be interesting to see him play when the run rate is above 6 or around 7, he always seemed to disappear in big chases, it was easy for him to do it coz the rate was almost 5 while chasing

That's true. He is not a big basher, but usually does get runs with innovative shots. Today he also hit Wood's fuller delivery for four with a bottom handed shot. Only Rizzy is capable of playing such shots.

But yea in that regard someone like Imad is better because he can clear the rope easily.

 

[ethan hunt]

Yeah he fidgets alittle too much at the crease .
A stable base will alow him to hit better and keep his head over the ball .
I like his attitude .

 

[ask_analyse_act]

This was his second innings on this tour. Thanks for showing your ignorance

bro this thread is created to do bring down Rizwan though he did a match winning knock...You know for what to bring up UAs name...Without his 36 pak would have lost today.. he hit those crucial boundaries with proper cricketing shots and significantly without any ugly heaves or slogs just all along the carpet...... Guys please get over UA and Shehzad, pak can do better without them,,,

 

[hadi123]

we all know he is awful against spin, just needs to find a way to grind out runs against them and just not lose his wickets vs them

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Well Hafeez has lost his place for now

no if he clears his action he adds more balance to this side... In LOIs with his bowling he is a million dollar man.. Only Azhars clock is ticking with his ugly shots to get out, slow SR , eating dot balls and as a captain...if haris also come back we would be playing an indomitable lineup...the problem with hafeez and malik is u need to make one of them captain if not they will only give such knocks to keep them in...nobody can change their mindsets and is fixed ..

 

[Chief Destroyer]

A matter of changing shot selection mid delivery or sometimes premeditating and then changing.

It's a mental issue which is resolved as a player gains confidence.

 

[Hasan123]

no if he clears his action he adds more balance to this side... In LOIs with his bowling he is a million dollar man.. Only Azhars clock is ticking with his ugly shots to get out, slow SR , eating dot balls and as a captain...if haris also come back we would be playing an indomitable lineup...the problem with hafeez and malik is u need to make one of them captain if not they will only give such knocks to keep them in...nobody can change their mindsets and is fixed ..

Imad bowling is there for a holding job no need to invest in Hafeez anymore

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Imad bowling is there for a holding job no need to invest in Hafeez anymore

Hafeez has a good series against NZL and here he played only 1 game ... ousting him is unjustified...

 

[shah_1]

We need yougsters to be given a proper chance so he deserves to play against WI and Australia,

 

[Hasan123]

Hafeez has a good series against NZL and here he played only 1 game ... ousting him is unjustified...

Because he is injury prone and unreliable outside of Asia

 

[MRSN]

yes he has a fall like Azhar Ali had during first few test matches on this tour. That fall just before shot means he is either going to play a cover drive or hook/pull. He is not going to be playing much straight,mid on,mid off or third man region. This is a big technical flaw and I'm surprised after seeing him 12 months later he still has this. he lost his wicket due to this in the last game.

 

[MRSN]

You lot are talking as if it is a cake walk to pull a 90+ mph ball.

Rizwan played well. Turn your nitpicking into not picking.

pull is his favorite shot from the position he gets before his shot. That shot is 80% going to be successful but problems will be when he gets fuller balls. the only shot he can play or does play 90% of the times is the square drive.

 

[MRSN]

Who cares? He scores runs and is clutch.

will be found out. like Sharjeel got worked out unless he improves.

 

[The_KING]

will be found out. like Sharjeel got worked out unless he improves.

Don't worry he is a down to earth guy who will improve his weaknesses. He isn't arrogant like Umar Akmal.

 

[MRSN]

Don't worry he is a down to earth guy who will improve his weaknesses. He isn't arrogant like Umar Akmal.

he hasn't improved this in 2 years.

 

[waleed88]

bro this thread is created to do bring down Rizwan though he did a match winning knock...You know for what to bring up UAs name...Without his 36 pak would have lost today.. he hit those crucial boundaries with proper cricketing shots and significantly without any ugly heaves or slogs just all along the carpet...... Guys please get over UA and Shehzad, pak can do better without them,,,

I don't hate him or anything, I would like him to work on his game especially against the spinners. There is something unattractive about him a few of the shots he plays. And I feel he has big gap between bat and pad I've noticed sometimes too.. Needs to work on that if he wants to be successful

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Because he is injury prone and unreliable outside of Asia

i dont believe he is injury prone, he is one of those fittest players .. he himself calls unfit due to fear of losing his place in the side or team mgmt drop him outside Asia.. he never did that when he has the bowling to do, now he often does that because he is in the team for his batting only..

 

[ask_analyse_act]

yes he has a fall like Azhar Ali had during first few test matches on this tour. That fall just before shot means he is either going to play a cover drive or hook/pull. He is not going to be playing much straight,mid on,mid off or third man region. This is a big technical flaw and I'm surprised after seeing him 12 months later he still has this. he lost his wicket due to this in the last game.

to find a weakness on a player which we dont like then the same finding weakness should be applied to the player we like as well... all the batsman who has played for pakistan in the last 15 years may be except moyo are technically weak...It is a matter of picking who is technically weak percentage is low...It was shocking to see ppl blame a batsman who got his 2 inns of the tour yet he played well in the 2nd match but keep quiet if a player of their liking fails 10 times on the trot..

 

[JibranAnsari]

He is not a long term solution I believe but for now he can continue.

 

[*syed59*]

His back foot shot off the spinner when he cuts a spinner square. I've seen him get bowled a few times playing that shot. He somewhat gets into a tangle and its awkward to see because a good bowler can get him

When he tries to hook a ball, or trying to flick the ball on a quicker bowler.. case is when he got hit in the groin area by Mark Wood while he was trying to flick that ball on the leg side..

Doesn't have a big shot in his bowling either

His tendency to get run out when in panic is also one of his problems.

I am still not convinced by him, has alot of work to do on himself if he wants to make it big like Sarfaraz or even challenge him for the spot

With all his technical deficiencies, he still has a better batting brain than someone like Hafeez or Akmal which in the end counts the most, as it did yesterday when he managed to score even under pressure and helped the team win easily.

We have too many batsman like him(or better than him) in the team, but whenever a useless batsman like Hafeez is considered, Rizwan must be considered before him.

 

[Pete Rose]

Yeah he fidgets alittle too much at the crease .
A stable base will alow him to hit better and keep his head over the ball .
I like his attitude .

I can agree with this. I think he needs to just slow down his set up when facing the bowler. I feel in his energy to convey urgency he closes a few scoring areas by committing early. It also explains to a certain extent that each of his boundaries yesterday felt like a but of surprise considering all the moving parts before it.

 

[Pete Rose]

His back foot shot off the spinner when he cuts a spinner square. I've seen him get bowled a few times playing that shot. He somewhat gets into a tangle and its awkward to see because a good bowler can get him

When he tries to hook a ball, or trying to flick the ball on a quicker bowler.. case is when he got hit in the groin area by Mark Wood while he was trying to flick that ball on the leg side..

Doesn't have a big shot in his bowling either

His tendency to get run out when in panic is also one of his problems.

I am still not convinced by him, has alot of work to do on himself if he wants to make it big like Sarfaraz or even challenge him for the spot

Sounde more apt description of Umar Akmal. His innings yesterday was very good.

 

[MRSN]

If you are looking for a dynamic no.6 batsman than Rizwan is not the answer. Just cut his two scoring areas and he will be as good as Azhar Ali.

 

[MRSN]

to find a weakness on a player which we dont like then the same finding weakness should be applied to the player we like as well... all the batsman who has played for pakistan in the last 15 years may be except moyo are technically weak...It is a matter of picking who is technically weak percentage is low...It was shocking to see ppl blame a batsman who got his 2 inns of the tour yet he played well in the 2nd match but keep quiet if a player of their liking fails 10 times on the trot..

I'm a big fan of Rizwan make no mistakes but I'm a big fan of Sharjeel as well. no matter how much I want him to succeed he cannot hide technical flaws in international cricket. good teams will work you out like Sharjeel has been in this series. Rizwan needs to quickly work on his batting.

 

[Syed1]

he hasn't improved this in 2 years.

How many matches has he played in those 2 years? Don't hate on him just because he sent your beloved Umar Akmal packing.

Akmal couldn't have played Rizwan's innings yesterday even if he got three chances.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

How many matches has he played in those 2 years? Don't hate on him just because he sent your beloved Umar Akmal packing.

Akmal couldn't have played Rizwan's innings yesterday even if he got three chances.

if u say this they will say i'm a fan of rizwan as well...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I'm a big fan of Rizwan make no mistakes but I'm a big fan of Sharjeel as well. no matter how much I want him to succeed he cannot hide technical flaws in international cricket. good teams will work you out like Sharjeel has been in this series. Rizwan needs to quickly work on his batting.

OK u r finding flaws in rizwan's batting...I have seen you criticize MISBAH on his slow batting fair enough, but havent seen you criticize UA for his shambolic performances and throwing wicket away every game and criticize the cement footed ugly hoicker shehzad.. why is that partiality shown here brother... I can bet you if pak had UA batting at that position instead of rizwan , pak would have been allout with 3 overs to spare and lost the match by 5-6 runs for sure... he would have made 20 (14) and u would have been silent until he scores a 50 in the coming matches...or would have yelled at sarfraz for throwing his wicket away after all his effort he would get the bashing from you but not UA for throwing his wicket...

 

[MRSN]

OK u r finding flaws in rizwan's batting...I have seen you criticize MISBAH on his slow batting fair enough, but havent seen you criticize UA for his shambolic performances and throwing wicket away every game and criticize the cement footed ugly hoicker shehzad.. why is that partiality shown here brother... I can bet you if pak had UA batting at that position instead of rizwan , pak would have been allout with 3 overs to spare and lost the match by 5-6 runs for sure... he would have made 20 (14) and u would have been silent until he scores a 50 in the coming matches...or would have yelled at sarfraz for throwing his wicket away after all his effort he would get the bashing from you but not UA for throwing his wicket...

I have criticized Shehzad for his slow batting a lot of times. Shehzad is a better stroke maker than what his stats suggests. His inablitity to rotate the strike has been a curse for him otherwise he has all the shots you need to have to be successful but he has not improved on his dot balls. Shehzad gets most runs from his boundaries which is why it's a headache how he keeps playing dots,someone has brainwashed him into staying at the crease and the rusn will come. He has pretty much become a test specialist and he was doing really well in that format,showed some good promise against Aus and NZ. Why he is dropped is beyond me. Two failures against SL and you bring back the likes of Shan is not the most wise thing. They have mixed his ODI-T20 failures with tests. He is pretty much the best test opener we have right now. and should be making the playing XI.

As far Umar there is nothing wrong in his technique. It's all mental and plus the way he has been treated. been in and out many times in last 3 years. I agree he has not been consistent and he hasn't been the finisher we wanted but batting at 6 is not an easy task these days especially when you are playing from Pakistan. You know better than me how our top+middle order has been in the last 6 years. Umar Akmal rescued us on many occasions while he failed on others as well but his stats suggest he has been at par to other no.6 batsmen from other countries like Raina,Morgan etc.

 

[MRSN]

How many matches has he played in those 2 years? Don't hate on him just because he sent your beloved Umar Akmal packing.

Akmal couldn't have played Rizwan's innings yesterday even if he got three chances.

He's no match for Umar Akmal. He is another anchor while Umar Akmal is dynamic. It's up to Pakistan how many anchors can they afford. and I'm sure in today's cricket the last thing you want in ODIs is your middle order consisting of Baber,Malik,Sarfraz,Rizwan. Even Immad is not a big hitter of the ball. Yes he can find odd boundaries but mostly he is a single,two player.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Yes, he has some problems for sure, but almost our whole team have such problems.

 

[waleed88]

Yes, he has some problems for sure, but almost our whole team have such problems.

He's a little too quick for his own liking, he moves too quickly and its his own undoing at times especially while playing spinners, he is a big lbw candidate and I have seen him succumb to many spinners because of his excessive movement

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

His back foot shot off the spinner when he cuts a spinner square. I've seen him get bowled a few times playing that shot. He somewhat gets into a tangle and its awkward to see because a good bowler can get him

When he tries to hook a ball, or trying to flick the ball on a quicker bowler.. case is when he got hit in the groin area by Mark Wood while he was trying to flick that ball on the leg side..

Doesn't have a big shot in his bowling either

His tendency to get run out when in panic is also one of his problems.

I am still not convinced by him, has alot of work to do on himself if he wants to make it big like Sarfaraz or even challenge him for the spot

What shot was he trying to play with a Cross Bat through the OffSide on a Ball which was an Indipper on Middle Stump bowled at 137 kph ?


It was a nothing Shot.

 

[Yanna_Rascala]

He's a specialist fielder only. He should never play for Pakistan again. I have been saying it for ages.

 

[naseem]

He deserves more chances

 

[Cricket World]

He should only come as 12th man to field and bring water on the field to irk opposition

 

[Yanna_Rascala]

He should only come as 12th man to field and bring water on the field to irk opposition

He would probably get confused and get run out and drop the drinks amidst of everything.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Have never really been all that impressed with Rizwan. He isn't as good as people think he is. His only plus point is his fielding and athleticism.

 

[shah_1]

Not impressed with him

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Poor guy, who is young into his career, is getting unnecessary bashing, if it was Babar instead of him, people would have been saying it's fine and he will improve, lol, like the pampering Amir gets over here, despite his ordinary comeback.

 

[Finisher]

Poor guy, who is young into his career, is getting unnecessary bashing, if it was Babar instead of him, people would have been saying it's fine and he will improve, lol, like the pampering Amir gets over here, despite his ordinary comeback.

What about your hate for Sharjeel and Imad.
Are thesse guys not young and new into their careers.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

What about your hate for Sharjeel and Imad.
Are thesse guys not young and new into their careers.

Have I called for them to be dropped right away? Cricket is too light to be taken seriously, lol.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

Still feel he should be given more chances before he gets kicked out, how many matches has he gotten over the last two tours ? Players need a proper chance and not just one or two matches batting at 5 and maybe getting some time at the crease.

 

[FreakCricket]

what on earth is he doing ? seems to me he doesnt have time or need better upright stance dont crouch

 

[Finisher]

Have I called for them to be dropped right away? Cricket is too light to be taken seriously, lol.

I don't know if you have called for them to be dropped, I know u have been showing a lot of dislike for certain players that are actually doing well.

 

[Hawkeye]

Such a poor bat.

No one believed me. [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Such a poor bat.

No one believed me. [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]

Why have you tagged me?

 

[Syed1]

Such a poor bat.

No one believed me. [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]

One dismissal and poor bat?


Still averages alot more than Akmal in the last two years.

Go ahead bring back Akmal, you lot will be calling for head soon as well.

 

[Syed1]

Why have you tagged me?

Lol savage

 

[Hawkeye]

Why have you tagged me?

Thought you were a big rizz supporter. Or maybe it was [MENTION=1113]alias[/MENTION]ad1981 ?

One dismissal and poor bat?


Still averages alot more than Akmal in the last two years.

Go ahead bring back Akmal, you lot will be calling for head soon as well.

Not one dismissal. Been following him from FC - it's how you play, how you get out. Not enough quality sadly to survive for long.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Should be dropped. Not good enough.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Thought you were a big rizz supporter. Or maybe it was [MENTION=1113]alias[/MENTION]ad1981 ?



Not one dismissal. Been following him from FC - it's how you play, how you get out. Not enough quality sadly to survive for long.

I rate Rizwan. If he's to play then he should bat in the top 5. But I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve by tagging me? My opinion won't change regardless.

 

[Hawkeye]

I rate Rizwan. If he's to play then he should bat in the top 5. But I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve by tagging me? My opinion won't change regardless.

Not every chaacha maama can play in top 5.

Enough of accumulators already. We have better middle order players - Babar, Umar Amin, Umar Akmal et al.

Late order should belong to those who can clear the fence without struggling with ugly hoicks.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Not every chaacha maama can play in top 5.

Enough of accumulators already. We have better middle order players - Babar, Umar Amin, Umar Akmal et al.

Late order should belong to those who can clear the fence without struggling with ugly hoicks.

Then don't play him.

 

[FreakCricket]

Its so strange we never had a solid middle order since inzi and moyo, now since we have a better middle order our lower is utter garbage with players unable to clear the circle

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

I don't know if you have called for them to be dropped, I know u have been showing a lot of dislike for certain players that are actually doing well.

These are not personal things that I will get involved in likes or dislikes, I post my views about cricket over here, based on my observations, and I try to back them up with evidence.

 

[jazbati]

Mediocre batsman and not that of a great fielder that he's made out of. Missed out few run out opportunities in England. We need a big hitter like U Akmal batting at his spot. Pakistan already have Azam, Malik and Sarfaraz who can build an inning but not too sure about going big in the end.

We all know Rizwan is not a big hitter.

 

[Third Man]

His problems have been quite evident since his first innings. His main problem is a lack of balance and solid base. That's what makes him look quite ugly at times.

Sometimes, he gets into a position that he can't recover from. For example if he sees there's a bit of width and he decides to cut it, he can't quickly change his shot if the ball turns or seams in. And then there's his other problem of not being able to read a spinner off the hand.

I sometimes see posters point out Babar Azam's lack of big stride. That's a good thing imo. That way a batsman has room to adjust in case there's any late swing or movement of the pitch.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Fakhar Zaman, Ahmed Shehzad, Iftikhar Ahmed, Mussadiq, Imran Khan, Mohammad Rizwan, Zohaib Khan.


Is it a Bias ?


Its our National Team. Why Criticise Abundance of Karachi or Punjab players ?


This is Pakistan Cricket Team.



This is not West Indies Team made up of different Independent Islands.

 

[hadi123]

Can someone tell me why there is so much hate for Rizwan? I was at school so couldn't watch the Pakistan innings, I must have missed something that has caused so many threads about him??

 

[theariezman]

He is clutch player but yet to make an impact...if he keeps losing his wicket like that I can see another Umar Akmal in making.