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Mohammad Rizwan "The criticism seems to be dying down a bit, so I must be doing something right"
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He don’t want to rest . Has not missed a t20 game since he began opening ( 1 max).
This level of selfishness is damaging Pak. We have no backup WK who will have any match practise, if he’s called into the war zone.
Why does he have to play every single game , and it’s clear he is carrying niggles. I am personally getting fed up of this whole heroic persona as it just seems like he’s playing to the gallery and some of us lap it up .
Seems like he plays for himself and not the team a lot of times, and this whole “anchoring approach “ needs to change . If he is in with Babar and babar is out , he needs to up the ante as all the batsman below are either
1) short on game time as they hardly face a ball due to the openers facing the majority of them.
2) low on confidence as they are getting low scorers due to having to hit from ball one
3) establishing themselves in the team
Therefore it’s clear they are under pressure for various reasons . Rizwan needs to take the initiative therefore. But he carries on with this anchoring approach to pad his stats but in reality it’s damaging the team as the other batsman have literally lost all their confidence .
Even a mentally tough, established and proven world class performer like Fakhar has begun to feel the affects of it. Therefore what hope do the likes of the current lot or anyone waiting in the wings have to deliver results to the level we want them .
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I agree he needs rest and we need back up options to be prepared but the fact you call him selfish needs to be addressed
Rizwan has a strike rate of 142 this series I wouldnt call this stat padding or selfishness The fact that the middle order is useless isnt down to the openers
Its just that they are inept and they need to accept personal responsibility themselves for their performances
Nobody puts a gun to haiders, ifti or khushdils head asking them them not to perform
You talk about fakhar being a world class performer but stats tell you he was pretty poor before being brought down to number 3 He was never world class in t20s in the first place
Rizwan is far from a perfect t20 batsman and to call him selfish stats padder etc is pretty poor n cheap tbh
Rizwan has faced 178 balls in this series so far . Which is a country mile more than anybody else in this series . Considering this is a high scoring series it’s criminal to have that SR of 141.
The average score has been 180 and Rizwan is facing on average 50 balls per innings . Therefore it’s becoming a case of the longer he bats it is potentially helping the opposition as his innings are having a considerably less impact .
The other day his 80 odd brought very little benefit to the team as he had a SR of 130 and faced 67 balls.
That leaves the remaining batsman 53 balls to work wonder .
So stats wise it looks good but the impact was pretty low .
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You forget that Rizwan took a position as an outfielder to allow Mohammad Haris a crack...which ended painfully. Haris isn't ready yet. If Rizwan got an injury before a major tournament the likely replacement would be Sarfaraz.
Not sure how we rest the only performing batsman in the side either. The series is on the line here. We have seen multiple times what happens when Babar and Rizwan don't fire. Rizwan would be selfish TO rest here.
The bigger picture is doing well at the World Cup . Alex hales came back after 3 years but yet he was rested after a few games to allow someone else to get game time .
The issue with Rizwan is he plays as an opener . It would be better for the team in the long run if we allowed a Shan masood or even a Haider Ali to open and maybe to get Rizwan to bat down the order for a few games just to allow others to develop and build confidence.
But it won’t happen .
Winning this series is not as important as getting the squad ready for the World Cup .
For me this mantra of changing every part of the starting 11 apart from the opening two slots is just selfish.
As for Haris not being ready he is in the squad . He will never be ready at this rate .
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That is your subjective opinion. If Rizwan rests people will say he is selfish for costing Pakistan the series at home when Shaheen is already missing. Pakistan without Rizwan currently is like a footballer missing half his toes.
What's Haider done to deserve a shot at opener? The guy needs to be sent home to think about his pathetic performances, not promoted.
On the subject of Haris, even if you gave him the remaining 3 games he will still not be ready. He is 21 years old, incredibly raw and with average stats. He may be for the future but now is not his time. Being with the squad gives quite appropriate exposure at this stage given his situation.
It’s not a subjective opinion . I’m 90% confident that people on this forum will rather win the World Cup than this series .
For us to win the World Cup we need a well oiled machine .
I don’t think people will say Rizwan is selfish for being rested . Asif has rested , Shadab has and so have all our bowlers . he is selfish for resting . The only slot that is not being rotated is the opening slot.
I can only put that down to selfishness and insecurity.
Also what kind of logic is this that Haris won’t be ready even after 3 games . For his development
he needs time in the middle . He won’t learn much if anything at all being on the bench for a long period of time .
What benefit did Haider Ali get from sitting on the bench . He is rusty as an old gate and t20 is not the format to get rid of the Cobwebs and rust .
I don’t see the harm in Shan masood , or Haider or even Haris opening just to get some match time at the expense of Rizwan missing out for a few games just to test the bench strength .
I don’t know why I put myself through this torture but I just rewatched Shan and Rizwan’s partnership to try and understand just what in the world they were doing.
Rizwan showed a real lack of field awareness. Yes he is predominantly a leg side player, so England were bowling outside off stump and they didn’t even bother with a cover and packed the leg side. He is still trying to heave everything to the leg side like a hack. Pathetic really for a top order player who has played a lot of t20s.
Then whenever he’s struggling he does his “heroic” routine of going down with some other injury / cramp or whatever other ailment he gets for batting for only a dozen or so overs!
It really was a pathetic innings after a good start. Someone needs to tell him if he’s still at the crease after 9 overs, just get out, run yourself out, get stumped or whatever.
Rizwan showed a real lack of field awareness. Yes he is predominantly a leg side player, so England were bowling outside off stump and they didn’t even bother with a cover and packed the leg side. He is still trying to heave everything to the leg side like a hack. Pathetic really for a top order player who has played a lot of t20s.
Then whenever he’s struggling he does his “heroic” routine of going down with some other injury / cramp or whatever other ailment he gets for batting for only a dozen or so overs!
It really was a pathetic innings after a good start. Someone needs to tell him if he’s still at the crease after 9 overs, just get out, run yourself out, get stumped or whatever.
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Rizwan has had a higher Strike Rate than Babar in every single game so far. So should Babar be called selfish too?
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Anyway since 2020
Pakistan have won 26 of the 40 games that Rizwan has played. Man has scored 1516 runs in those games won at an average of 89.17 and a strike rate of 138. Also has 14 70+ Scores in those wins the highest by any batsman ever.
Scoring 1500 runs in won games at that SR and an average that high are exceptionally world class numbers.
Now if that is selfish then the rest of our batsmen must be incompetent because I can't ever see them getting these numbers.
Also if someone says a SR of 138 is bad then they should go after Chris Gayle too with his career strike rate of 137.
Pakistan have won 26 of the 40 games that Rizwan has played. Man has scored 1516 runs in those games won at an average of 89.17 and a strike rate of 138. Also has 14 70+ Scores in those wins the highest by any batsman ever.
Scoring 1500 runs in won games at that SR and an average that high are exceptionally world class numbers.
Now if that is selfish then the rest of our batsmen must be incompetent because I can't ever see them getting these numbers.
Also if someone says a SR of 138 is bad then they should go after Chris Gayle too with his career strike rate of 137.
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Not sure you have done your research but Babar is striking at 149 this series has faced 50 balls or less.
Rizwan striking at 140 when he is facing more than 50% of the balls on surfaces that no score below 170 is safe is not good enough.
That’s why I said earlier more often than not it’s getting to a stage now where the longer Rizwan is out there it’s beginning to help the opposition either to restrict Pak or for them to increase the RR for Pak when we are chasing .
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For most Pak fans it's all about stats. Not about actual impact in the innings. No wonder why our players love to statpad. Asif has been more impactful player than Rizwan and Baber but his average might be in single digits.
The more and more I see of Baber and Rizwan batting the more I'm convinced about their nonexistent impact in the game. They are good players but you need players who are good but also can win matches. Otherwise what's the point of playing?
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Anyone who has seen both Baber and Rizwan play in the Asia cup and this series has seen how both of them score runs taking little risk consuiming most of deliveries and putting up below par total. It also puts great amount of pressure on batsmen to follow because they have to catch up with the overall target required so they get absolutely zero time to get going. Both Rizwan and Baber bat in such fashion that team is always behind what should be ideal score in those overs.
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Ris needs to rest and pak need to wrap him in cotton wool for the WC!!
Numbers I get are 1619 runs, average of 77.09 and a strike rate of 135.02. One hundred and 14 fifties.
Excellent numbers.
I have slowly started disliking Rizwan batting style.
Sure he is consistent but I rather he scores less runs, becomes less consistent but atleast plays with a 150 strike rate.
He is partly to blame for Pakistan the T20 semi final loss and played a bigger role in T20 asia cup loss. Consumes too many balls.
The T20 format is a batsmen game, scores will only get bigger.
Sure he is consistent but I rather he scores less runs, becomes less consistent but atleast plays with a 150 strike rate.
He is partly to blame for Pakistan the T20 semi final loss and played a bigger role in T20 asia cup loss. Consumes too many balls.
The T20 format is a batsmen game, scores will only get bigger.
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Stats guys must be happy Rizwan still batting lol
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Rizwan's stock innings = 65 (45).
Reminds me of Jonathan Trott in the 2011 World Cup. Effective but only on paper - results only in a lukewarm team score.
Reminds me of Jonathan Trott in the 2011 World Cup. Effective but only on paper - results only in a lukewarm team score.
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We destroyed a number 1 T20 side under Mickey/Sarfaraz because he needed to be included at all costs!
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How’s that ineffective? You’d get 170+ if all batsmen bat at that rate. But if Riz is able to hold one end with that SR, it should be easier for others to strike at a higher rate. It’s a perfect recipe for a 190+ score.
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Can't blame him if others aren't taking responsibility. He can make a solid case for having to play the way he does because of the habitual unreliability of the middle and lower order.
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At least someone gets it. Full marks for that example. Such innings are always ineffective overall.
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We played mostly in UAE and we can’t play Hafeez and Malik forever there is no other option in Pakistan domestic that can play spin well. Pakistan would not have ranked no 1 with or without Rizwan.
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I'm just amazed at PPers grasp at the game. Over the years PPers have got so used to failures that they cannot deal witch success anymore. I'm totally amazed that many on here would choose and inconsistent failure of 25(12) than consistent 60(40) and pathetically this is even getting justified here.
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Our middle order is pathetic so I understand Rizwan playing the way he does.
However in these insignificant bilateral's he should look to further improve his game and create release shots down the ground and on the offside. He was able to reinvent his game earlier, now he needs to refine his game to take his batting further beyond
However in these insignificant bilateral's he should look to further improve his game and create release shots down the ground and on the offside. He was able to reinvent his game earlier, now he needs to refine his game to take his batting further beyond
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Till my last dying breath, I will speak the truth for the sake of my team.
You can all come at me as hard as you want. I will take on all of you alone!
Rizwan is not a T20 opener
Nor is Babar anymore!
You can all come at me as hard as you want. I will take on all of you alone!
Rizwan is not a T20 opener
Nor is Babar anymore!
If Sarfraz wasn’t averaging around 10 or so and batting below Hasan Ali maybe he would have been in the team. Rizwan is already comfortably our greatest wicket keeper batsmen ever.
Welcome to cricket mate
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Replace "truth" with "utter rubbish" and you'll be on track
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Once again Rizwan has scored more than the entire middle order combined.
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Poor, not good enough in powerplays more often than not
Extremely lucky most of the time (dropped catch, some run outs missed)
Cannot capitalise with boundaries once fully set at the crease!
We are much better off having a specialist powerplay opener instead of an anchor from ball 1!
Extremely lucky most of the time (dropped catch, some run outs missed)
Cannot capitalise with boundaries once fully set at the crease!
We are much better off having a specialist powerplay opener instead of an anchor from ball 1!
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Truth is there to see, you just need an eye for it. Take off your hate glasses and you might see it
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You would know wouldn’t you?
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and England would have won many more games with Trott if other batters had done their job.
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Your numerous posts about Rizwan tells me you know nothing and that is all that anyone needs to know.
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Extremely consistent.
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Teams have become smarter to understand rizwan and babar strategy....can't use it as template for each and every match...this shows how Pak has weak batting middle order that openers have to play this anchor strategy till 15 overs
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Just for clarification yes there is no one to replace Rizwan and Pakistan has one of the worst batting in the world but nothing justifies the way Rizwan bat. I am not saying there is someone better than him. In fact he is Pakistan's best batsmen right now. He has great consistency and full marks to him for that. The point is his lack of intent. He doesn't take any risk and has not worked on his offside game when he has been found on the legside.
People come in blind defense just like they used to do in Misbah days. What's wrong in Constructive criticism? Why highlighting a player's weakness termed as hate?
People come in blind defense just like they used to do in Misbah days. What's wrong in Constructive criticism? Why highlighting a player's weakness termed as hate?
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I know very well, just because you like him doesn’t mean what i say is wrong
This I agree with. If there are blind supporter there are definitely as much blind haters. Rizwan needs to improve no denying that.
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Why other batters are given a tougher task and Trott-Rizwan get an easy task? Is that fair? One takes single against a good bowler and other has to hit him out of the park and risk losing his wicket..is that fair?
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The best IT20 player in the world, let alone being the best IT20 batsman in Pakistan. The middle order is the problem; they need to play around him and be ready to hit boundaries from the first ball. We also need Babar back at his best.
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Rizwan needs to bat in middle order . If they really care about team . Fakhar should have been never let to bat one down . He even played at 6 under misbah coaching . You destroyed a player confidence
Fakhar
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Rizwan
Looks much better batting line up
Fakhar
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Looks much better batting line up
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Only in Pakistan can the only performing player be receiving the most criticism.
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Stats don't lie and the only person being deluded is you.
It's quite embarassing if you're being sincere in your criticism of Rizwan and annoying if you're just trolling.
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Only in Pakistan can there be calls to drop or change batting position of a player in this kind of golden form.
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Excellent innings.
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He has some deficiencies in every aspect of his game yet he still outperforms everyone in the team. Been happening for 20 months now.
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That’s what happens when the whole team regresses because of making sure one guy is playing well.
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Yes keep crying
So it's Rizwan's fault that the other batters bat poorly.
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Seems like Rizwan's innings on today's pitch was worth more than 63.
Even England's batsmen are struggling. Just shows how great Rizzy is
Even England's batsmen are struggling. Just shows how great Rizzy is
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What a match! and Rizwan was the diff for our batting.
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Couple in here are proper wrist slitters and continue to have a go at every opportunity. Yes, some knocks have been scratchy, the last T20 sure. Today, on that pitch, that was a super effort and it showed how good when even the English strikers struggled on a pitch made better with dew. Unreal how badly people want him to fail.
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Alex Hale’s dopey fielding and then Batting making Rizwan look like Viv Richards to his fans
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Rizwan was head and shoulders above all the batsmen today, from both sides
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I think you have to admit that without Rizwan's innings, we would have lost this game easily.
Rizwan has his flaws, but he did very well today.
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Ok
Fair enough. But we didn’t know that he had provided a great contribution
Well I kind of did when I saw Salt and Hales walk in at the crease with Nawaz tying them down from ball 1
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There is nothing wrong with the way he bats. His lack of 'intent' is a myth created by his haters. He's the one usually taking the risks while Babar plays the anchor role. Just check his number of 6s. He's also been playing at a strike rate of 140+ this series. Constructive criticism is fine if you actually analyze his approach and provide good feedback, however, generic statements like 'his lack of intent' without any context just come across as blind hate.
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Rizwan has scored 315 runs, most by any player in a bilateral T20I series and is the first to score 300+ runs in a T20I series. He overtook Serbia's Leslie Dunbar, who scored 284 runs against Bulgaria in 2022.
Most runs scored in a bilateral T20I series
315 * – Mohammad Rizwan (Five innings)
284 – Leslie Dunbar (Four innings)
255 – Quinton de Kock (Five innings)
234 – Paul Stirling (Five innings)
233 – Francisco Couana (Seven innings)
231 – Virat Kohli (Five innings)
224 – KL Rahul (Five innings)
Most runs scored in a bilateral T20I series
315 * – Mohammad Rizwan (Five innings)
284 – Leslie Dunbar (Four innings)
255 – Quinton de Kock (Five innings)
234 – Paul Stirling (Five innings)
233 – Francisco Couana (Seven innings)
231 – Virat Kohli (Five innings)
224 – KL Rahul (Five innings)
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Oh and Pakistan is leading so far in these 5 matches (3-2) so the haters can't even say "But his runs are of no use to the team" lol
Haters gonna hate. Rizi gonna get runs and win games for his team
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Rizwan's stats in the last 16 games.
822 runs
609 balls
135 SR
9 50s
3 Man of the Match
1 Man of the Series
Is there room for improvement?
1) Yes, would love to see that SR go closer to 140. But let's be real, 135 ain't bad given the consistency.
2) And yes, I'd have loved to see him do better vs Spin (Afg & SL in Asia Cup).
Does he need to be axed like some "fans" here say? You decide.
822 runs
609 balls
135 SR
9 50s
3 Man of the Match
1 Man of the Series
Is there room for improvement?
1) Yes, would love to see that SR go closer to 140. But let's be real, 135 ain't bad given the consistency.
2) And yes, I'd have loved to see him do better vs Spin (Afg & SL in Asia Cup).
Does he need to be axed like some "fans" here say? You decide.
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How about he stops caring about who is to come after him?
They are going to lay in their own graves. Rizwan should do what he is supposed to. Bat hard in the powerplay and maximise once set.
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Note: I'd say he played ~ 6 bad innings out of 16 that are highlighted in RED above (i.e. 63% of the times he will play a good knock that will help the team win) That's pretty good IMO.
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