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Mohammad Rizwan v Travis Head: who is the best all format batter of the world?

Travis Head smashes a 69-ball 100 in Perth, the fastest 4th innings century in Test history! I don't think so there is comparison between the two
 
Ball Blazer said:
Travis Head smashes a 69-ball 100 in Perth, the fastest 4th innings century in Test history! I don't think so there is comparison between the two
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A hundred in 69 balls???!!!

Who is he trying to disrespect here? Babar and Rizwan???
 
Why in the world does Legside gets compared to quality players ? Pakistanis need to just realize their players are simply not good enough...
 
Rana said:
@Kianig89 @gazza619 @Caved12 @Raja Ishtiaq @BouncerGuy

How is this innings by Head acceptable? What is the ICC doing to ensure there is a fair balance between bat and ball??

Such innings are destroying interest in an already dying game! Soon, bowlers will be replaced with bowling machines! The human element of the art of bowling will be replaced by AI!

We must save this beautiful sport! I hope the ICC makes a statement and awards Rizwan’s 60 off 90 chasing 210 against Sri Lanka as the performance of the month!
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who is the Travis Head in Pakistan?
 
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It was an absolutely irresponsible innings from Head. The situation required putting your head down (excuse the pun) and grinding out those 200 runs. They had over 3 days to do it. Think about the fans who had booked up the next 3 days. No respect for tradition.

If it was Rizwan he would have never allowed such a thing to happen. Yes he may have failed, but it’s about the optics - you are playing on a tough pitch in red ball. Respect the game and it may give you something back.

I shudder to think what the ramifications of Head’s innings are going to do to the beautiful art of anchoring. Think of the affect it will have on the (w)anchors (sorry @Rana i had to pirate that term)!!
 
Rana said:
Does that even matter?

We know Rizwan is the Gilchrist in Pakistan!!
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See. Jeeb main char anay nahin hain aur chala mehal kharidne.

Fact is that Riz is the best Pakistan has. It doesn’t matter what you think.
 
If I think of batsman of this decade, Root is obviously there that stands out. Williamson has been phenomenal too. Then you have the likes of Brooks, Pant, Babar, Bavuma and Ravindra but reckon Head stands out in terms of big match impact and game changing ability.
 
@gazza619

Let me get this right, not only do you think the career of Babar Azam > Usman Khawaja, you also think Rizwan > Travis Head?

Are you actually okay?
 
Rana said:
Please stop twisting my words!

Tell me, what difference is there in chasing 210 in 28 overs and 46 overs?

How does it make any difference if you score 60 off 90, or 100 off 69 as long as you get the job done?
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It makes a difference. Ask opposition captain now, he is still in wow of what just happened in Perth today.
 
Ab Fan said:
It makes a difference. Ask opposition captain now, he is still in wow of what just happened in Perth today.
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So??

Sri Lanka have not been able to pick themselves up either after that innings by Rizwan in the 3rd ODI!
 
topspin said:
@gazza619

Let me get this right, not only do you think the career of Babar Azam > Usman Khawaja, you also think Rizwan > Travis Head?

Are you actually okay?
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I cant even remember i ever had a discussion on Babar v Khawaja with you. Who are you?

Let me discuss issues with adults on this forum. Talk to someone your age like Ryan Ryan.
 
gazza619 said:
I cant even remember i ever had a discussion on Babar v Khawaja with you. Who are you?
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You do remember because everyone was reminding you of you were still seeing the stars after my knockout blows.

gazza619 said:
Let me discuss issues with adults on this forum. Talk to someone your age like Ryan Ryan.
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No, you're just a deluded coward who somehow believes Rizwan > Travis Head and Babar > Khawaja.
 
gazza619 said:
Whats the point of a screenshot of a discussion between me and a random doctor?
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To highlight that your cricketing sense is a joke and your lack of courage when challenged to produce evidence and arguments to back up your claims.

Firstly, in what world is Babar a great player? If you're promoting him and doing this as voluntary work. My advice is for you to go get a life.

Secondly, if you truly believe Babar is a great player, have the cojones to respond and tell us what makes him a great player. You also ran away when you challenged me to prove Khawaja > Babar. I produced my arguments and then you came up with "I'll respond back tomorrow" and then ran off like you always do.
 
topspin said:
To highlight that your cricketing sense is a joke and your lack of courage when challenged to produce evidence and arguments to back up your claims.

Firstly, in what world is Babar a great player? If you're promoting him and doing this as voluntary work. My advice is for you to go get a life.

Secondly, if you truly believe Babar is a great player, have the cojones to respond and tell us what makes him a great player. You also ran away when you challenged me to prove Khawaja > Babar. I produced my arguments and then you came up with "I'll respond back tomorrow" and then ran off like you always do.
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If Babar is not a great player then who is a great player in the current Pakistan batting pool?
 
Rana said:
So??

Sri Lanka have not been able to pick themselves up either after that innings by Rizwan in the 3rd ODI!
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Why this Sri Lanka never gets replaced by Australia, England or India or WC Finals or WTC Finals in the above statement? Ever wondered?
 
gazza619 said:
Why are you restricting the discussion to test cricket to suit your agenda?

YK was a below average white ball player.
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You asked "who is a great player in the current Pakistan batting pool?"

In response, I said Pakistan's last great batsmen was Younis because in the current side there are no great players.
 
topspin said:
You asked "who is a great player in the current Pakistan batting pool?"

In response, I said Pakistan's last great batsmen was Younis because in the current side there are no great players.
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What makes YK a great player? What metrics did you use?
 
I was biased when comes to Travis head because of wannabe supporters constant crying But man there is literally no comparison when comes to head and Rizwan. Head is the match winner every team fears but nobody cares if Rizwan is out or not.

Most Intl Centuries in this Decade
(no. of 100s in losing cause)

25 - Joe Root (6)
19 - Shubman Gill (2)
17 - Babar Azam (3)
14 - 𝗧𝗿𝗮𝘃𝗶𝘀 𝗛𝗲𝗮𝗱 (0)*
14 - Kane Williamson (1)
14 - Steve Smith (2)
13 - Shai Hope (7)
12 - Rohit Sharma (0)
12 - Virat Kohli (0)
12 - P Nissanka (1)
12 - Harry Brook (4)
12 - Daryl Mitchell (7)

:kp
 
gazza619 said:
What makes YK a great player? What metrics did you use?
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This is a baffling question, even by your standards.

Let's get this straight, you think Babar is a great player but you have doubts about YK's credentials as a great player? :ROFLMAO:

You must have a very low threshold for greatness, if Babar meets your criteria.
 
topspin said:
This is a baffling question, even by your standards.

Let's get this straight, you think Babar is a great player but you have doubts about YK's credentials as a great player? :ROFLMAO:

You must have a very low threshold for greatness, if Babar meets your criteria.
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Dont follow foot steps of the Ranas of this forum. You are claiming YK to be a great player. I am asking why.

If you are struggling to back it up then stop arguing with adults.
 
gazza619 said:
Dont follow foot steps of the Ranas of this forum. You are claiming YK to be a great player. I am asking why.

If you are struggling to back it up then stop arguing with adults.
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Why are you attacking me? I’ve been following your footsteps throughout this thread!
 
gazza619 said:
Dont follow foot steps of the Ranas of this forum. You are claiming YK to be a great player. I am asking why.

If you are struggling to back it up then stop arguing with adults.
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You’re about to end up embarrassed again, running away just like before.

You were schooled in the Babar v Khawaja debate, and @Rana was spot on calling it a waste of time because you vanished when challenged. Just like earlier this week, when @Dr_Bassim pressed you to justify why Babar is supposedly "great".

Back to Younis Khan, his calibre was very similar to Rahul Dravid, a universally acknowledged great. So asking someone to back up if Younis Khan was great would be absurd.

Yet you cling to Babar > Khawaja, Rizwan > Head, Babar is a great, and even once claimed Faheem > Pandya. It’s obvious you don’t see Younis Khan as a great, but since you’re the biggest bottle job on PP, this is just another case of you lacking the guts to admit it
 
topspin said:
Back to Younis Khan, his calibre was very similar to Rahul Dravid, a universally acknowledged great. So asking someone to back up if Younis Khan was great would be absurd.
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right, so YK had a good calibre. Is this the best you got?
 
gazza619 said:
right, so YK had a good calibre. Is this the best you got?
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Don't worry, I promise I will back it up. Don't sweat over that.

But I need to know what your POV is, do you agree or disagree that YK was a great? I don't need you to back it up. Just a simple yes or no and then I'll give you my rationale for why I believe he's a great.
 
Rana said:
Why are you attacking me? I’ve been following your footsteps throughout this thread!
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When I mention "Ranas," please understand that I am not targeting you personally. Rather, "Rana" represents a particular mindset—one that tends to be timid, self-centered, and self-entitled, often ignoring the reality of the situation.
 
topspin said:
Don't worry, I promise I will back it up. Don't sweat over that.
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Sorry I forgot you are using chatgpt. I appreciate it takes time to copy paste and add a few of your own words to make it sound real. I will wait for your golden words.
 
Rana said:
Why are you attacking me? I’ve been following your footsteps throughout this thread!
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Pot kettle back. Accuses other posters of not backing their views but goes running when confronted about his beliefs:

  • Babar being a great player
  • Babar > Khawaja
  • Rizwan > Travis
 
gazza619 said:
Sorry I forgot you are using chatgpt. I appreciate it takes time to copy paste and add a few of your own words to make it sound real. I will wait for your golden words.
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You can deflect as much as you like.

But I would rather have a debate with someone who's got a half decent understanding of cricket.

In your world, Babar is a great and Younis Khan isn't. So tell me why should anyone take you seriously?
 
RizBar rules Haters gonna hate! Stick to your guns and keep the faith @gazza619

After they are done playing, Babar for batting coach, Rizwan for PCB chairman/chief selector. Rauf for bowling coach!
 
topspin said:
You can deflect as much as you like.

But I would rather have a debate with someone who's got a half decent understanding of cricket.

In your world, Babar is a great and Younis Khan isn't. So tell me why should anyone take you seriously?
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Answer the question and don’t be a Rana. How is YK a great player?
 
gazza619 said:
Answer the question and don’t be a Rana. How is YK a great player?
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You resorted to these tactics last time round when you asked me to prove Usman Khawaja > Babar. I obliged for the greater good of your cricketing education. After that, you vanished. So what's the point?

You ran away from me and you also ran away from @Dr_Bassim when pressed on your views.

I will ask you one last time. You can answer either one of the questions below and then I'll put my case forward for why YK is a great:
  • Is Babar > Younis Khan?
  • Do you think Younis Khan is a great?
If you can't answer any of these questions, the question is why are you are unwilling to disclose it? Is it because you don't want to other posters to find out that you're an agenda driven poster?
 
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topspin said:
What you meant to say was, don't be a bottle job like you.

You resorted to these tactics last time round when you asked me to prove Usman Khawaja > Babar. I obliged for the greater good of your cricketing education. After that, you vanished. So what's the point?

You ran away from me and you also ran away from @Dr_Bassim when pressed on your views.

I will ask you one last time. You can answer either one of the questions below and then I'll put my case forward for why YK is a great:
  • Is Babar > Younis Khan?
  • Do you think Younis Khan is a great?
If you can't answer any of these questions, the question is why are you are unwilling to disclose it? Is it because you don't want to other posters to find out that you're an agenda driven poster?
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This is not about YK vs Babar.

I am asking you why is YK a great player.
 
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gazza619 said:
This is not about YK vs Babar.

I am asking you why is YK a great player.
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You rate Babar as a great player. By that measure, Younis Khan is unquestionably great since he has comfortably surpassed Babar's career, which makes your question irrelevant, as my threshold for greatness isn't as low as yours.

If you are prepared to withdraw this inflated view of Babar being some "great player", then I would be more than happy to give you my whole perspective on YK's acomplishments.
 
T20I

Rizwan and Head have played one match against each other


1 T20I Travis Headd 26(14) 185.71 strike rate
1 T20I Rizwan 23(19) 121.05 strike rate


ODIs

8 matches against each other

Travis Head 8 matches 460 runs 65.71 average 111.92 sTrike rate
Md Rizwan 8 matches 84 runs 16.80 average 67.20 strike rate


Tests

Mohammad Rizwan 7 tests 510 runs 46.36 average 62.65 strike rate
Travis head 7 tests 119 runs 17.00 average 53.36 strike rate
 
topspin said:
This is a baffling question, even by your standards.

Let's get this straight, you think Babar is a great player but you have doubts about YK's credentials as a great player? :ROFLMAO:

You must have a very low threshold for greatness, if Babar meets your criteria.
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YK was a terrible ODI player. Are we revising history now? 🤣

If we are combining ODI and Test match performances then Babar is better
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
YK was a terrible ODI player. Are we revising history now? 🤣

If we are combining ODI and Test match performances then Babar is better
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Going by this logic Babar > Sunil Gavaskar, Rahul Dravid and Mahela Jaywardena :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

The RizBar cult never fail to expose their awful reading of the game 🤡
 
topspin said:
You rate Babar as a great player. By that measure, Younis Khan is unquestionably great since he has comfortably surpassed Babar's career,
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Younis has 9 ODI centuries, Babar has 20 and he has played over 100 games less 🤣 🤣
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
YK was a terrible ODI player
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This is not true. He wasn’t as good as he should have been but he was not a ‘terrible’ ODI player.

YK more than held his own in a great middle order of YK, Inzi and Yousuf. That was one of the strongest ever 3-5 in Pakistan ODI history to play together in a side.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Younis has 9 ODI centuries, Babar has 20 and he has played over 100 games less 🤣 🤣
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Once again you’re showing your shallow grasp of the game.

Have you ever considered why Inzamam’s ODI average and strike rate sit well below Babar’s? Even Misbah’s average was higher.

Back in the 2000s, ODI triangulars and bilaterals were contested by full-strength sides. Today, most teams field second or even third-string bowling attacks.

If Younis Khan had debuted two decades later, it’s hardly unreasonable to think he’d have piled up a similar number of hundreds to Babar, given the abundance of opportunities to cash in against weaker opposition.
 
Rana said:
This is not true. He wasn’t as good as he should have been but he was not a ‘terrible’ ODI player.

YK more than held his own in a great middle order of YK, Inzi and Yousuf. That was one of the strongest ever 3-5 in Pakistan ODI history to play together in a side.
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Completely agree. He played a key role in negotiating the newer ball to help the likes of Inzi and Yousuf thrive lower down the order.

Younis Khan produced multiple standout ODI knocks that eclipse Babar’s finest effort, his 2019 World Cup century against New Zealand
 
topspin said:
Going by this logic Babar > Sunil Gavaskar, Rahul Dravid and Mahela Jaywardena :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

The RizBar cult never fail to expose their awful reading of the game 🤡
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Once again focus on YK.

Why do you consider YK a great player?
 
Rana said:
This is not true. He wasn’t as good as he should have been but he was not a ‘terrible’ ODI player.

YK more than held his own in a great middle order of YK, Inzi and Yousuf. That was one of the strongest ever 3-5 in Pakistan ODI history to play together in a side.
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Ohhhh please. This is exactly what I mean with you. He didnt held his own at all and used to constantly get dropped from the team 🤣 🤣

He used to make good batting wickets look like a land mine.

The real underrated ODI player during Inzi's captaincy era was Shoaib Malik. People who actually used to watch back in them days know that Malik kept Younis out of the ODI team for long periods.
 
topspin said:
Once again you’re showing your shallow grasp of the game.

Have you ever considered why Inzamam’s ODI average and strike rate sit well below Babar’s? Even Misbah’s average was higher.

Back in the 2000s, ODI triangulars and bilaterals were contested by full-strength sides. Today, most teams field second or even third-string bowling attacks.

If Younis Khan had debuted two decades later, it’s hardly unreasonable to think he’d have piled up a similar number of hundreds to Babar, given the abundance of opportunities to cash in against weaker opposition.
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To add to the above, average score in the 2000s was 250ish. That rose by 20% to 300+ beyond 2010.

So it’s misguided to compare their stats as though they were compiled under identical conditions
 
topspin said:
Once again you’re showing your shallow grasp of the game.

Have you ever considered why Inzamam’s ODI average and strike rate sit well below Babar’s? Even Misbah’s average was higher.

Back in the 2000s, ODI triangulars and bilaterals were contested by full-strength sides. Today, most teams field second or even third-string bowling attacks.

If Younis Khan had debuted two decades later, it’s hardly unreasonable to think he’d have piled up a similar number of hundreds to Babar, given the abundance of opportunities to cash in against weaker opposition.
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Yeah but Inzi didn't look absolutely clueless and won the most games for us in history. Younis looked absolutely lost out there

Got not time for your crazy theories about what Younis could have done in the modern game.

His ODI record is a true testament of his ability in that format.
 
topspin said:
To add to the above, average score in the 2000s was 250ish. That rose by 20% to 300+ beyond 2010.

So it’s misguided to compare their stats as though they were compiled under identical conditions
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Ok enough polution.

If you strongly believe in YK, then create a YK vs Babar thread.
 
gazza619 said:
right, so YK had a good calibre. Is this the best you got?
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Are a you seriously trying to argue that YK wasn’t a great player?

10k runs at over 50 average. What else do you want?

He wasn’t good at white ball. No one cares, tests trump ODIs any day of the week.

An ODI record is not worth much if you can’t do it on the big stage and very few people have done it on the big stage so you can’t hold it against just Younis.

I know your angle is that babar has a great ODI record - meaningless. He was lucky he was part of the CT17 squad where he didn’t do much and he only got the medal because of the heavy lifting from Fakhar, Hafeez, Amir, Hassan Ali and even Azhar Ali of all people.

You want to argue against that? Go for it.
 
gazza619 said:
So you admire YK the ODI player. Thanks for the laughs
:lol
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*breaking away from character

Puttar I know this team, it’s players, it’s politics, its potential and its weaknesses better than you could ever imagine.

If I dislike a player like Rizwan from my soul, then there is a bloody good reason for it.

Believe that.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
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Yeah but Inzi didn't look absolutely clueless and won the most games for us in history. Younis looked absolutely lost out there
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Younis Khan averaged 50+ with a strike rate of 140 (almost identical to Shahid Afridi) in Pakistan's 2009 WT20 winning campaign. His captaincy was exceptional.

He has produced multiple standout ODI knocks that eclipse Babar’s finest effort, his 2019 World Cup century against New Zealand.

Stop talking out of your backside.
 
Rana said:
*im going to have to break character here for a bit

@topspin bro, you need not waste time with these covid/Misbah’s najaiz cricket fans when discussing the standards of cricket during the eras. Younis Khan in Test cricket has played some of the unreal innings that guys like Babar+Rizwan will never play even as a combined entity.

Some of his ODI innings were elite too. When he was on, the guy was an absolute delight to watch. I firmly believe he was on course to become Pakistan’s solid number 3 who set the pace and tempo of the innings around the 2007-8 time (maybe even before it). I remember back then I was in total awe of players like Ponting because they were setting the tempo for their side by bossing it at 3. Punter always batted at a strike rate close to a hundred. He never really celebrated a 50, it wasn’t job done for him. He had that attitude. I wanted a player like that for Pakistan and for brief moments I thought YK was easing into this role.

Pakistan have had too many years of turbulence, politics and infighting as soon as Inzimam stepped away and then you had a slow crawl in of players like Misbah, whilst a drama queen like Hafeez was getting louder and louder with his stuck up attitude! Shoaib Malik as usual doing his “cloak and dagger” politics whilst falling out with everyone. Yousuf continuously living in a delusion of royalty within his head and Shahid Afridi with his menopause tantrums that he would randomly throw here and there.

All of these chawwals (although good cricketers) were kept in line during the Inzimam+Woolmer era! They were all let loose like a bunch of wild, toxic pendus and it basically ruined what could have been a great era for Pakistan cricket because the players were still top quality as they had fine batsmen and top class fast bowlers.

YK the proper no.3 ODI batter was lost in this period.
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He looked actually lost whenever he was at the crease in ODIs
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Yeah but Inzi didn't look absolutely clueless and won the most games for us in history. Younis looked absolutely lost out there
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Yeah I’m convinced you never saw Inzi or Younis play.

Bhai Jaan do what you do best. Stick to your strengths. Send out warning shots to Sahibzada Farhan and Saim Ayub. Put them on your radar as you said.

Don’t discuss proper cricket. That’s not your domain.
 
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