Mohammad Yousuf vs Misbah-ul-Haq in all 3 formats

[ChachaCricket]

What ?

Official ATG approval authorities have arrived.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Misbah fans getting too defensive as usual when their idol isn't regarded the greatest of all time by anyone else. Yousuf is a class apart, you can screenshot as many statsguru pages as you want, and throw all that on an excel spreadsheet, and it still wouldn't change this widely agreed idea that Yousuf > Misbah. Matches are watched on the screen or IRL, not on scorecards and calculators.

What he said.

 

[Mamoon]

Well, you can see the hater brigade attacking this thread in numbers and quoting your post blindly for potw. )

OP is an Indian poster and no one here claimed Misbah was a better batsman, specially Test bat than Moyo.

Although he did excel and went above moyo like overseas in ODIs, ICC tournaments (where you bash Amla for bottling), T20s, captaincy and leadership. So, many without a hater lens would argue Misbah was a better cricketer, and it won't be untrue.

This thread is a gift for both pro and anti-Misbah propagandists. No surprises there.

In spite of bottling, Misbah didn't go above MoYo in any facet of batting and there is no shame in that. MoYo is one of the top 5 batsmen produced by Pakistan, and Misbah is clearly a rung below. Like I said, Misbah has had his fair share of bottling moments as well - he is no Dhoni, so his performances in big matches cannot be used to undermine MoYo.

Again, T20 comparison is unfair - MoYo played 3 T20s only and none of them during his peak years.

Its funny that now Misbah fans are using T20s to prove their point but if the shoe was on the other foot, they'd argue that no one cares about T20s and Tests and ODI cricket is what matters and Misbah has been much better in these formats, but now T20 is being used to prove that the gap between the two is not that big.

As a batsman, MoYo is lightyears ahead of Misbah no matter how you look at it, but Misbah's captaincy, leadership, work ethic, attitude etc. are lightyears ahead of MoYo as well. However, this thread is about their skills with the bat only, so their behavior and captaincy etc. do not matter and it seems like a desperate ploy on the part of the pro-Misbah camp to deflect the fact that there is no comparison between the two as far as batting is concerned.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol at Mamoon's post being the potw. What a joke. OP's post is a million times better candidate for potw than Mamoon's.

It isn't a competition - with 4 POTWs, I do not need to fish for a 5th one and obviously it wasn't OP's intention to win a POTW either, so I am not sure why you are fixated with this point.

Nonetheless, your responses in this thread and in general suggests that you never watched MoYo play and started following cricket in the last 4-5 years.

Comparing Misbah to MoYo is like comparing MoYo to Tendulkar - the gap as far as batting is concerned is that wide.

 

[Adil_94]

Moyo is one.of.our best bats ever. Anyone who has watched Moyo and Misbah bat throughut their careers. Will know whos better.

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[AlphaFighter]

Mamoon on a roll

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[shaz619]

An absolutely disastrous thread. Firstly, the whole premise of this thread is wrong because it is purely based on statistics, and anyone who has followed the careers of both and is not blinded by Misbah fanboyism, will testify that MoYo was leagues above Misbah as a batsman, and even if you consider statistics only, there is no rational way of suggesting that Misbah is better/even same class as MoYo.

Let's consider ODIs. Can't believe some people are even arguing that Misbah is close to MoYo in ODIs.

'Misbah is more consistent'

How is an average of 42 at a SR of 75 (playing bulk of your cricket in the 2000's) over 273 innings with 15 hundreds is inferior to an average of 43 at an average of 74 in 149 innings with ZERO hundreds?

Consider the SR - MoYo played between 1998 and 2009 regularly, and a SR of 75 for that period was not bad at all. For reference, Tendulkar and Ponting in the same period averaged around 45-46 and a SR of around 85, and no one would argue that MoYo was in their league, but this comparison shows that he wasn't as below as the best ODI batsmen of his generation as Misbah is.

The best ODI batsmen of Misbah's era - de Villiers, Kohli, Amla, Williamson etc. are on a different planet, which sums up how inferior he is to MoYo in ODIs.

He is not even close to Michael Clarke and no one considers him an ODI great.

The biggest gem in this thread is 'its idiotic in my mind to over emphasis 100s, and its usually unthinking children who are fixated on it, after all theres no effective difference between a 99 and a 100.'

Nice buzz, but useless drivel - yes there is no effective difference between 99 and a 100, but IIRC, Misbah has only two 90+ scores in his ODI career and no matter how Misbah fanboys spin it (no support etc.) the truth is that he was simply not good enough to score an ODI hundred and it is very easy to decipher why, should you close Cricinfo Statsguru and watch the matches instead, because there really is no substitute to watching the game. Unless you want to argue that there is no effective difference between a 60/70 and a 100+ score.

Misbah's strike rotation was as bad as I've ever see, and the fact that he took around 100 deliveries to get to 60-70 meant that scoring a hundred was practically impossible for him. You cannot come in at number 4/5 and bat for a 120-130 deliveries, which is what he'd have needed to score an hundred.

After facing around 100 deliveries, in the quest to up the ante, he would throw his wicket away which is why he never got a hundred and never earned the reputation of a finisher; he was simply a consolidator who brought the innings to a complete halt but did a very important job for a team that was extremely vulnerable for a period, and he was the only batsman worth any salt. However as I said before, in a strong dynamic lineup, he's a hindrance because in its true sense, he is a mediocre ODI batsman who shone in a terrible lineup.

The only way he could have got an ODI hundred is by doing a Shehzad and opening the innings, or perhaps bat at number 3 and he was unwilling to do it and I don't blame him).

In relative terms, MoYo statistics in 2000's translates to 47-48 [MENTION=41809]AR[/MENTION]ound 85-90, which is world class and that is what he was - a world class ODI batsman.

Fixation with hundreds would be wrong if we compare someone like Hafeez to Misbah, who has the third most centuries in ODIs for Pakistan (along with Inzamam and Ijaz) but he is not a better ODI batsman than Misbah because he isn't consistent enough, but here we are talking about a batsman with a 40+ average and a strike rate that is good relative to his era.

MoYo vs. Misbah in ODIs is not even worth debating.

MoYo was soft under pressure, but he has played some good pressure knocks as well, however yes I agree that his record in World Cups is poor. Misbah on the contrary has often been the lone man standing, but let's not pretend that he bolted under pressure; we are talking about a batsman who couldn't score 1 run in 2 balls vs. India, played a disastrous shot in the final after bringing his team so close and absolutely melted under pressure in Mohali, one of the worst ODI innings on the big stage - was 17 (40) at one stage.

Misbah is relatively less a bottler, but he is no big match player either.

In Tests, Misbah has a respectable record but again, most of his runs have come in the UAE, India, West Indies and Bangladesh, while both have a good record in New Zealand.

MoYo on the other hand hasn't done well in Australia and South Africa, but his 111 at the MCG against McGrath, Warne and Gillespie is one of the greatest knock in Australia by a Pakistani batsmen, and let's not even discuss how brilliant he was in England, and how masterfully he handed the lateral movement. All summer, the Sky commentators lauded how late he played and it was a true exhibition of how to bat in England.

Both have poor record in Sri Lanka, but MoYo has done better and even scored a hundred.

Misbah's biggest problem in Tests is his inability to score big; all of the big scores in the last 5 years have come from Younis and to a certain extent, Azhar Ali. You cannot win Tests without scoring big and Misbah is not capable of scoring 150+ and 200+ scores. For someone who is lauded for his temperament and concentration, he really does love throwing his wicket away in Tests after 60s and 70s.

MoYo was extremely good at scoring and that is why he as 24 hundreds/4 double hundreds in 156 innings, and had one of the greatest peaks ever. Misbah did well to score 3-4 hundreds last year against Australia/New Zealand after the top-order piled up 500+ scores but between May 2011 and November 2013, he couldn't score a single hundred.

MoYo's attitude and personality let him down big time, but don't let Misbah fanboys delude you into believing that he wasn't a top quality batsman and Misbah can be compared to him. His ego bloated after he grew a beard anf got brainwashed by tableeghis, and ultimately lost 4-5 golden years.

He was on course to end with 10,000+ runs in both formats, and 30+ Test hundreds, and around 20 ODI hundreds. He was pretty much in the class of someone like Sangakkara who made full use of ODIs post-2010, something MoYo missed out on which makes his record in the 2000's even more fantastic.

This thread is a classic example of how unreliable a purely statistical analysis can be. Misbah is a gentleman and a very good ambassador of Pakistan cricket and a good batsman, but he is nowhere near MoYo the batsman.

MoYo barely played T20s and it rose into prominence in the last 7-8 years so a MoYo vs. Misbah cannot be done without making too many assumptions, but I'd back a peak MoYo to do well as a T20 opener.

I cringed at the gem you highlighted to; never mind how many 90+ scores Misbah has but it seems fans around here value consistent 40-60 scores more then a hundred irrespective of the format. Am a fan of Misbah and his achievements but you got to be out of your mind to even open a thread like this in the first place comparing Misbah to Yousef is like comparing Wayne Rooney to Pele. Yousef is a Pakistan ATG and one of the most complete batsman we ever produced; his personality issues prevented him from truly flourishing towards the end of his career which is a big shame and his exploits as a pundit don't really help his image among fans but you got to be an absolute nugget to disregard what he achieved before taking a step too far and trying to make it seem as if Misbah is on the same level as Moyo.

Great Post btw, when I saw this thread was waiting for you to post. And Mamoom doesn't need a POTW to vindicate the logic and reason he has displayed to back up his argument which is not complicated to grasp actually, it's common sense it's beyond me how anyone can disagree with the points you've made in your post.

 

[waleed88]

I think Yousuf's double tons vs England in England are the deciding factor.

Those knocks were Yousuf at his all time best. The way he played Harmison's short pitch deliveries were a sight to behold.

Misbah maybe would get a solid 70-80 or at the most a 100 of 300 balls in England but none of his stroke making, timing, innings building would match the class of Yousuf. There's no way Misbah can play knocks like those.

 

[waleed88]

People also forget Yousuf's 80 odd vs India in the CT 2004 quarter final.

That knock was as good as you would see any knock from Yousuf.
It was a swinging pitch and wickets were tumbling down left right and center for Pakistan.

It was a small total of 204 but Yousuf gave everything to chase that total down. And that tournament took place in England.

It was a fantastic ODI knock in a pressure situation. And debunks the theory that Yousuf never came good in pressure situations.

I have been vocal of Misbah's support on this forum but clearly, besides the stats on pressure situations , Misbah never tops Yousuf as far as batting is concerned.

 

[waleed88]

The only batsman I can compare to Misbah would be Paul Collingwood, who used to bat in a similar stoic manner like Misbah.

Who played in a V and never expanded his stance until he really wanted to hit the ball hard.

Misbah in any international team would be a Test Match player, or a hard hitting no.6 batsman if he arrived when he was younger.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Another thing i would like to add to this thread is that Yousuf has scored hundreds against the likes of Walsh and Ambrose in their backyard. Let me know if Misbah manages to accomplish anything of the sort in this life time if ever.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Who had a better career out of Misbah and Mohammed yousuf?

Misbah captained his team to test t20i and psl glory as well as scoring the fastest test 50 ever
Mohammed yousuf had a good calendar year and played in the icl

For me Misbah had more honours to his name

 

[Titan24]

Misbah captained his team to test t20i and psl glory as well as scoring the fastest test 50 ever
Mohammed yousuf had a good calendar year and played in the icl

For me Misbah had more honours to his name

Purely from batting point of view there is not much of a comparison, Moh Yousuf was one of the best players I have seen and is a great of the game in my opinion.

Misbah was a decent test batsman but his career highlights are mostly based upon his test captaincy (Not loosing a single series at home and winning in WI first time ever) in along with the shared record of 2nd fastest test century.

However, the question you have asked can be applied to number of players as some players arent ATG level players but have respect due to leading the side for number of years. Its difficult to tell who has a better career than say Viv Richards and Clive Loyed, Ganguly and Tendulkar, Ranatunga and Jaysuriya etc.

On pure cricketing skills some of the answers are straightforward but when you start putting captaining the side in the cricketer's career as well than its difficult to clearly so who has a better all around career.

 

[Hasan123]

Awful comparison.

Moyo is vastly superior to Misbah in ODIs and tests.

 

[Ab Fan]

As pure batsmen, Moyo is superior to Misbah but latter was a much superior captain, leader and a fielder.

When the going gets tough, I would rather have Misbah on my side than Moyo.

Moreover, Moyo's stats are highly misleading and his average of 52 is the most misleading test stats any cricketer can have. Him failing in four major countries and a good share of minnow bashing makes Yousuf looks an extraordinary batsmen but he is clearly a level below Inzy and the ever-smiling Khan as test batter.

 

[Ted123]

Top 10 test batsmen from Pakistan ever

1) Miandad
2) Younis
3) Inzamam
<B>4) Yousuf</B>
5) Zaheer
6) Hanif
<B>(7) Misbah</B>
8) Anwar
9) Saleem Malik
10) Majid Khan

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Purely from batting point of view there is not much of a comparison, Moh Yousuf was one of the best players I have seen and is a great of the game in my opinion.

Misbah was a decent test batsman but his career highlights are mostly based upon his test captaincy (Not loosing a single series at home and winning in WI first time ever) in along with the shared record of 2nd fastest test century.

However, the question you have asked can be applied to number of players as some players arent ATG level players but have respect due to leading the side for number of years. Its difficult to tell who has a better career than say Viv Richards and Clive Loyed, Ganguly and Tendulkar, Ranatunga and Jaysuriya etc.

On pure cricketing skills some of the answers are straightforward but when you start putting captaining the side in the cricketer's career as well than its difficult to clearly so who has a better all around career.

What has mohammed yousuf done for pakistani cricket
What has he contribued

At the end of his career you can only say he had a good personal record

 

[Titan24]

What has mohammed yousuf done for pakistani cricket
What has he contribued

At the end of his career you can only say he had a good personal record

He had contributions in quite a lot of test and ODI wins. What exactly was he supposed to do?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

He had contributions in quite a lot of test and ODI wins. What exactly was he supposed to do?

Which ones
I can't think of any memorable ones

 

[Mobashir]

No way you can compare Misbah with a great batsman like Moyo.

 

[Ted123]

It is not a great comparison as a pure batsmen but as a cricketer not as bad.

 

[hur rizvi]

Misbah was an average test batsman. Poor comparison

 

[Titan24]

Which ones
I can't think of any memorable ones

He scored 24 test 100s including double hundreds and 15 ODI 100s, I am pretty sure if you will seek you will find quite a few memorable ones.

 

[Zaz]

In terms of batsmanship theres no contest Yousuf is way ahead in all formats

Even misbah would acknowledge this

 

[Khan12]

Yousaf was by a country mile better batsmen then misbah. It a disrespect to yousaf being compared to a player without an odi century after 140 odd games.

 

[Khan12]

Which ones
I can't think of any memorable ones

Yousaf had 15 odi centuries.
Misbah had a grand total of 0.

You seriously need help if you think misbah is better then yousaf. Even misbahs worshippers won't say he better then yousaf.

 

[Savak]

Yousaf may have been an unintelligent person outside the field but please do not insult his cricketing ability and achievements by comparing him to Misbah

 

[Savak]

As pure batsmen, Moyo is superior to Misbah but latter was a much superior captain, leader and a fielder.

When the going gets tough, I would rather have Misbah on my side than Moyo.

Moreover, Moyo's stats are highly misleading and his average of 52 is the most misleading test stats any cricketer can have. Him failing in four major countries and a good share of minnow bashing makes Yousuf looks an extraordinary batsmen but he is clearly a level below Inzy and the ever-smiling Khan as test batter.

When the going got tough, Misbah's output was always what you witnessed in Mohali in 2011

 

[Savak]

As pure batsmen, Moyo is superior to Misbah but latter was a much superior captain, leader and a fielder.

When the going gets tough, I would rather have Misbah on my side than Moyo.

Moreover, Moyo's stats are highly misleading and his average of 52 is the most misleading test stats any cricketer can have. Him failing in four major countries and a good share of minnow bashing makes Yousuf looks an extraordinary batsmen but he is clearly a level below Inzy and the ever-smiling Khan as test batter.

Yousaf has centuries against Mcgrath, Gillespie, Kasprowicz, Warne, Harmison, Flintoff, Plunkett, Walsh, Ambrose. Misbah will never achieve these things even if he is reincarnated a gazzilion times.

 

[Mamoon]

There are no comparisons between the two as far as batting is concerned. It is a complete joke to compare them.

Unfortunately, MoYo’s career was cut short because of his relationship with the PCB. On the other hand, Misbah’s attitude and behavior has helped him tremendously.

It took Pakistan a good 10-11 years to find. a replacement of MoYo in Babar. Younis was a fine Test batsman but he did not have the talent or the skill to excel in all formats.

 

[Mamoon]

As pure batsmen, Moyo is superior to Misbah but latter was a much superior captain, leader and a fielder.

When the going gets tough, I would rather have Misbah on my side than Moyo.

Moreover, Moyo's stats are highly misleading and his average of 52 is the most misleading test stats any cricketer can have. Him failing in four major countries and a good share of minnow bashing makes Yousuf looks an extraordinary batsmen but he is clearly a level below Inzy and the ever-smiling Khan as test batter.

During the time the careers of MoYo and Younis overlapped (2000-2007), MoYo regularly outclassed Younis and looked the superior player.

That is all the prove anyone needs that MoYo was the better batsman. Same team, same conditions, same opposition etc., and MoYo would consistently do better than him.

Younis fully capitalized on the UAE era and thrived as the senior batsman of the team. MoYo was unlucky to miss out on UAE bashing.

 

[Ab Fan]

During the time the careers of MoYo and Younis overlapped (2000-2007), MoYo regularly outclassed Younis and looked the superior player.

That is all the prove anyone needs that MoYo was the better batsman. Same team, same conditions, same opposition etc., and MoYo would consistently do better than him.

Younis fully capitalized on the UAE era and thrived as the senior batsman of the team. MoYo was unlucky to miss out on UAE bashing.

But the period that you have taken, Yousuf age was 26-33. For Younis, the age period is 23-30. Younis clearly was much younger during this period and his peak days were yet to come.

Two points to argue. Yousuf was not performing to his best after 2007.His averages after that:-

2008- Avg 40
2009- Avg 40
2010- Avg 24

In contrast, Younis averages after 2007 by yearwise are:-

2009- Avg 65
2010- Avg 63
2011- Avg 85

And so on. You can't compare a peak age of a player to the younger age of other player. Even a legend like Kumar Sangakkara became a beast of player after 2006. Yousuf, Younis and Sanga all three were in same league till 2005.

Then Yousuf had a Bradmanesque year in 2006 but he went back to mediocrity and faded by 2010. His age was 36 and PCB moved on from him.

In contrast, Sangakkara had a brilliant 2007 and then maintained consistency all through the years to achieve greatness. Younis career also uplifted from 2006 and he maintained that consistency all through the following years and ensured that Pakistan maintain UAE as their forte, win a series in India, a series in Sri Lanka and drew a series in England, ensuring that Pakistan still remain a very strong team with a relatively weaker team with no good fast bowlers and not many quality batsmen bar him and Misbah compared to what they had in 2000s decade.

Unfortunately, after Younis retired, the results in UAE were no longer coming as per the Pak fans would like to. They lost a test to Windies, series to Sri Lanka and very recently lost to Williamson's team as well.

I can go on and on but this post is already far too long. You talk about Younis UAE bashing, well, the pitches in Pakistan during 2006-07 period were so flat, lol ,I am very well aware of how Yousuf made full utilization of those pitches which is visible by his career's home average and his away average.

Yousuf ended his career a level below Inzy and Younis as a test batsmen. Proved!

 

[Ab Fan]

Yousaf has centuries against Mcgrath, Gillespie, Kasprowicz, Warne, Harmison, Flintoff, Plunkett, Walsh, Ambrose. Misbah will never achieve these things even if he is reincarnated a gazzilion times.

Misbah is a level below Yousuf as a test batter.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

He scored 24 test 100s including double hundreds and 15 ODI 100s, I am pretty sure if you will seek you will find quite a few memorable ones.

I can't think of a single hundred he hit to win us an important game

 

[ManFan]

No comparison as others have stated.

Misbah was the right man at the right time.

 

[GreenKhan]

Misbah has great stats in ICC tournaments. Around 50 I believe . Played some good match winning knocks . Sometimes he failed to close out matches as quite often he was the last man standing . But he was a big tournament player no doubt .

M Yousaf had a poor Icc record .

 

[coy0607]

If you're looking for a batting comparison, don't even mention Yousuf and Misbah in the same sentence.

Misbah the batsmen is comparable to Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Salem Malik, Ijaz Ahmed, etc. Yousuf is a Pakistani legend, right up there with Miandad, Inzamam, Younis

 

[The_Odd_One]

Yousuf was probably the most talented batsman Pakistan has produced in the last 30 years. He was a delight to watch and far more pleasing to the eye than more successful batsmen like Miandad, Inzamam, and Younis.

When it comes to batting, there is really no comparison between Yousuf and Misbah. In fact, it is an insult to compare him to Misbah who was a very limited batsman. Yousuf was an all-round batsman with every shot in the book, could rotate the strike, and take on the best fast bowlers of his time.

This said, Yousuf is probably the biggest choker in the history of Pakistan cricket. With the immense talent he had, he should have retired as an ATG with 10K+ runs in both formats. Misbah earned more respect with far limited skill-set.

 

[The_Odd_One]

If you're looking for a batting comparison, don't even mention Yousuf and Misbah in the same sentence.

Misbah the batsmen is comparable to Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Salem Malik, Ijaz Ahmed, etc. Yousuf is a Pakistani legend, right up there with Miandad, Inzamam, Younis

Salim Malik?

Malik was as good as any ATG batsman on his day. Batsman like Salim Malik, Aravinda De Silva, Mark Waugh, etc should never be judged by their relatively low career averages.

 

[Savak]

Salim Malik is ten times the batsman that Misbah will ever be

 

[The_Odd_One]

But the period that you have taken, Yousuf age was 26-33. For Younis, the age period is 23-30. Younis clearly was much younger during this period and his peak days were yet to come.

Two points to argue. Yousuf was not performing to his best after 2007.His averages after that:-

2008- Avg 40
2009- Avg 40
2010- Avg 24

In contrast, Younis averages after 2007 by yearwise are:-

2009- Avg 65
2010- Avg 63
2011- Avg 85

And so on. You can't compare a peak age of a player to the younger age of other player. Even a legend like Kumar Sangakkara became a beast of player after 2006. Yousuf, Younis and Sanga all three were in same league till 2005.

Then Yousuf had a Bradmanesque year in 2006 but he went back to mediocrity and faded by 2010. His age was 36 and PCB moved on from him.

In contrast, Sangakkara had a brilliant 2007 and then maintained consistency all through the years to achieve greatness. Younis career also uplifted from 2006 and he maintained that consistency all through the following years and ensured that Pakistan maintain UAE as their forte, win a series in India, a series in Sri Lanka and drew a series in England, ensuring that Pakistan still remain a very strong team with a relatively weaker team with no good fast bowlers and not many quality batsmen bar him and Misbah compared to what they had in 2000s decade.

Unfortunately, after Younis retired, the results in UAE were no longer coming as per the Pak fans would like to. They lost a test to Windies, series to Sri Lanka and very recently lost to Williamson's team as well.

I can go on and on but this post is already far too long. You talk about Younis UAE bashing, well, the pitches in Pakistan during 2006-07 period were so flat, lol ,I am very well aware of how Yousuf made full utilization of those pitches which is visible by his career's home average and his away average.

Yousuf ended his career a level below Inzy and Younis as a test batsmen. Proved!

Excellent post!

Yousuf feasted on poor bowling attacks and dead bowling tracks as much as Younis did. Pakistani tracks in those days were as flat as pancakes. Who can forget India scoring 401/1 in response to Pakistan's 679/7 at Lahore?

I honestly struggle to find any memorable knocks from Yousuf. At least, Younis played some match-winning knocks like Banglore 2005, Pallekele 2015, Oval 2016, etc

 

[Khan12]

As pure batsmen, Moyo is superior to Misbah but latter was a much superior captain, leader and a fielder.

When the going gets tough, I would rather have Misbah on my side than Moyo.

Moreover, Moyo's stats are highly misleading and his average of 52 is the most misleading test stats any cricketer can have. Him failing in four major countries and a good share of minnow bashing makes Yousuf looks an extraordinary batsmen but he is clearly a level below Inzy and the ever-smiling Khan as test batter.

Once again you are proving why you are one of the most clueless poster on PP. Going from strength to strength.

 

[Savak]

Excellent post!

Yousuf feasted on poor bowling attacks and dead bowling tracks as much as Younis did. Pakistani tracks in those days were as flat as pancakes. Who can forget India scoring 401/1 in response to Pakistan's 679/7 at Lahore?

I honestly struggle to find any memorable knocks from Yousuf. At least, Younis played some match-winning knocks like Banglore 2005, Pallekele 2015, Oval 2016, etc

Yes, the English bowling attack in 2006 and the West Indies bowling attack consisting of Walsh and Ambrose and the Australian Bowling attack of Mcgrath, Warne, Gillespie, Kasprowicz in 2004-05 were indeed poor.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes, the English bowling attack in 2006 and the West Indies bowling attack consisting of Walsh and Ambrose and the Australian Bowling attack of Mcgrath, Warne, Gillespie, Kasprowicz in 2004-05 were indeed poor.

Younis Khan was the leading run scorer in Pakistan tour to Australia of 04-05 with 259 runs at average of 43 batting in the top 3. Yousuf bhai averaged 31 in that series with one entertaining but ineffective inning in terms of context.

 

[Ab Fan]

Once again you are proving why you are one of the most clueless poster on PP. Going from strength to strength.

When we have nothing significant to add up, this is what we generally come up without any context.

 

[Savak]

Younis Khan was the leading run scorer in Pakistan tour to Australia of 04-05 with 259 runs at average of 43 batting in the top 3. Yousuf bhai averaged 31 in that series with one entertaining but ineffective inning in terms of context.

So what? Younis Khans runs and innings were ineffective too given that we got whitewashed 3-0, why single out Yousaf for this but exonerate Younis?

 

[Ab Fan]

So what? Younis Khans runs and innings were ineffective too given that we got whitewashed 3-0, why single out Yousaf for this but exonerate Younis?

That is because you are bringing those bowlers against whom he didn't performed. He got 189 runs in 6 inning at avg of 31 in that series. It's hardly performing batting at 4 or 5.

McGrath, Gillispie and Kasprowicz were the bowlers in that 2004-05 series right?

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Is this a joke thread ? !! . YOYO>later>MOYO is all class. I love Misbae but when it comes to batting ability tey aren't even in the same universe.If MOYO is a MARVEL character then Misbae would exist in PJ Mask's Universe. Only thing that Misbah has an advantage over MOYO is mental toughness and how to soak up pressure.

 

[Savak]

That is because you are bringing those bowlers against whom he didn't performed. He got 189 runs in 6 inning at avg of 31 in that series. It's hardly performing batting at 4 or 5.

McGrath, Gillispie and Kasprowicz were the bowlers in that 2004-05 series right?

Yes but your benchmark was did he lead his team to victory, neither did YK. Yousaf has twin centuries against Walsh and Ambrose as well. In any case, this thread is about Yousaf vs Misbah and the later is not good enough to shine the formers shoes as far as batting ability is concerned.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes but your benchmark was did he lead his team to victory, neither did YK. Yousaf has twin centuries against Walsh and Ambrose as well. In any case, this thread is about Yousaf vs Misbah and the later is not good enough to shine the formers shoes as far as batting ability is concerned.

Yes, that's fine. My only argument was you mentioning McGrath, Warne and Gillispie against whome Yousuf didn't scored. Winning in Australia is a completely different benchmark which one player alone can never do.

To his credit, he did very well vs Amby and Walsh during the '99 series I think. That he gets.

 

[sshakir411]

Talent aside, Yousuf became the player he’s known as under Woolmer. I recall an interview of Yousuf where he mentioned he was struggling with his balance at the crease in early 2000s, and Woolmer had this drill where he would throw multi colored balls at Yousuf, and have him call out the color before playing his shot. Making Yousuf stay still and watch the ball for longer. Pakistani greats love to say that coaching doesn’t make much of a difference at the international level but it’s only under Woolmer that Yousuf truly flourished.

 

[Lahorijat]

There is no comparison - Yousuf is a class above Misbah. If you Yousaf had a full career, he might have been among the greatest Asian batsmen.