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Both were awesome and skillful talents. I have watched more of Moin than Rashid. To date, I'm unable to draw a conclusion of who was more competitive and who always had the xfactor. If one had to choose one of them who would he go with?

For me it's quite difficult to pick one.

Shaabaa Shaabaa Shaabaaaaa Saqi - Moin :D
 
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Rashid was the better keeper. But for me it was Moin all the way. He was a street fighter. His batting under pressure was amazing.

And those sweep shots that cleared the long-off boundary! :14:
 
We were unlucky to have both of them at the same time. As a keeper, Rashid was much superior, but it was Moin's batting that had huge edge for the captain to select him over Rashid.
 
Tbh both weren't ever decent batsmen in their careers

Now that Kamran has sorted his keeping out, he is miles ahead of both as an overall player.

But as a pure keeper ofcourse Latif and Bari stand out in Pakistan's history
 
92 world cup - keeper Moin Khan - Pakistan wins the cup
96 world cup - keeper Rashid Latif - Pakistan loses to india in the quarter finals (possibly the best side pakistan had in any WC)
99 world cup - keeper Moin Khan - Pakistan makes the cup finals
2003 -world cup - keeper Rashid Latif - Pakistan get knocked out in first round.

Moin brought better luck to pakistan.

talent wise, rashid might've been a better overall player.
 
*sallu* said:
Tbh both weren't ever decent batsmen in their careers

Now that Kamran has sorted his keeping out, he is miles ahead of both as an overall player.

But as a pure keeper ofcourse Latif and Bari stand out in Pakistan's history
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Are we talking about Rashid vs Moin vs Kamran?
 
Latif the better keeper, Moin the better batsman

I'd go for Moin
 
Mohin Khan was probably the worst ever keeper in international cricket while Rashid was one of the best keepers.

Both Moin and Rashid were mediocre batsmen averaging in the 20's
 
Rashid Latif was a better keeper than Moin...more athletic, more agile. Moin was better in the batting department with his cheeky singles and aggressive batting when needed.
I would pick Rashid in my team so that I wouldn't need a 1st slip fielder ;-)
 
Rashid better keeper by farrrrrrr

I also consider Rashid a better test batsman than Moin.

Moin was a good man to have coming in at the end in ODI's but his drops were very costly.
 
in his later years moin was no better than kami but still managed to keep rashid out. such an unjustice it was to rashid.
 
cricfan967 said:
Kamran Akmal is the best of em all.
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What are u talking about?? kamran akmal is the worst we have had behind stumps he has single handedly denied Pakistan some famous test victories and series.

For me rashid for longer formats and moin for odis. Both were brilliant.
 
zaid65 said:
We were unlucky to have both of them at the same time. As a keeper, Rashid was much superior, but it was Moin's batting that had huge edge for the captain to select him over Rashid.[/QUOTE]

thats a myth

Rashid Latif
Tests 37 57 9 1381 150 28.77 2912 47.42 1 7 156 5 119 11
ODIs 166 117 29 1709 79 19.42 2237 76.39 0 3 125 18 182 38

Moin Khan

Tests 69 104 8 2741 137 28.55 5362 51.11 4 15 334 27 128 20
ODIs 219 183 41 3266 72* 23.00 4017 81.30 0 12 218 61 214 73

Rashid's Test average was equal to moin khan's and he was way better keeper than moin khan still he only played 37 tests while moin played 69 tests.
In odis moin's averge is 3.5 higher than rashid's which is not a huge difference..
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Anyone who says Kamran Akmal was the best keeper needs to jump off a cliff, Kamran Akmal is the best batsmen of the three, yes, but as a keeper, Latif eclipses all three. And even between Moin and Kamran, Moin was much more reliable behind the stumps.

Kamran Akmal is nothing more than a batsman who takes the stumps. And fails at it.
 
Kamran "drop a catch@important match" Akmal :))
on a serious note, I'd say Moin Khan.
 
emclub said:
emclub said:
dont forget the SR's
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moin khan
69 matches 128 catches in tests
219 matches 218 catches in odis

rashid latif
37 matches 119 catches in tests
166 matches 182 catches in odis

compare there cathes taken in tests and odis too. plus there is no record of dropped catches but who has edge there everyone knows.
ok fine we say moin khan's batting edge and rashid latif keeping edge. Was moin khan's edge in batting that great that it had rightly overtaken Latif's edge in keeping? i would say if i am a selector and i need to select "a wicket keeper batsman" i would go for Rashid.
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*sallu* said:
Tbh both weren't ever decent batsmen in their careers

Now that Kamran has sorted his keeping out, he is miles ahead of both as an overall player.

But as a pure keeper ofcourse Latif and Bari stand out in Pakistan's history
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When did that happened??

Latif for me all the way! brilliant keeper!
 
Desire said:
emclub said:
moin khan
69 matches 128 catches in tests
219 matches 218 catches in odis

rashid latif
37 matches 119 catches in tests
166 matches 182 catches in odis

compare there cathes taken in tests and odis too. plus there is no record of dropped catches but who has edge there everyone knows.
ok fine we say moin khan's batting edge and rashid latif keeping edge. Was moin khan's edge in batting that great that it had rightly overtaken Latif's edge in keeping? i would say if i am a selector and i need to select "a wicket keeper batsman" i would go for Rashid.
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Moin khan was nominated by ICC's shortlist of all time XI......has more stumpings than any other keeper....Rashid was a better catcher but Moin is the best in the world when comes 2 stumpings and run-outs......plus u gotta love his tradmark 'c'mon saqi' :)
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Rashid Latif without doubt much better keeper and batsman as well.................
 
Moin was a better batsman than Latif. Also, as a keeper, Latif was more classical but Moin was better. So Moin was better.
 
for test, rashif latif was better.

for ODI, moin khan was better.

overall, moin khan was better i think.
 
I loved Moin, just the passion and the "entertainment" he brought to each match was superb

When I think about it using stats, however, Rashid would have been better


Then again, stats dont tell u if the keeper helped other team mates by his energy either
 
i am yet to find a good innings of rashid latif from youtube.

i found at least one good innings of moin khan in youtube.

if you compare both their batting averages, you will see moin khan is the better batsman.

i think, in ODI it is important the wicket keeper is good at batting.
 
Moin khan is a fighter. He was good finisher.
But Rashid Latif Is the one who was one of the best keepers the world has ever seen.
In my team I will not dare to overlook someone like Latif. Best keeper should be played rather than a batsman who can keep.. Moreover in batting there is not much difference between averages of Latif and Khan.
 
Latif was a miles better glovesmen.

However, Moin was always a go to man when pakistan was in crisis and scored some valuable runs.

People go on about Kamran Akmals 100 at karachi against India as a brilliant knock which it is.

Moin scored to similar knocks 60 in Chennai v India (Pakistan 91/5) and 70 and Calcutta (Pakistan 26/6) on both occasions he kept Pakistan in the match in 1st inns of the game and Pakistan won both tests.

Did Latif ever play such a knock?
 
Moin khan ,hands down

will never forget his match winning knocks in world cup
 
cricketkhan88 said:
What are u talking about?? kamran akmal is the worst we have had behind stumps he has single handedly denied Pakistan some famous test victories and series.

For me rashid for longer formats and moin for odis. Both were brilliant.
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I said this out of sarcasm back when akmal was dropping everything
 
Wicked Fast Bowler said:
92 world cup - keeper Moin Khan - Pakistan wins the cup
96 world cup - keeper Rashid Latif - Pakistan loses to india in the quarter finals (possibly the best side pakistan had in any WC)
99 world cup - keeper Moin Khan - Pakistan makes the cup finals
2003 -world cup - keeper Rashid Latif - Pakistan get knocked out in first round.

Moin brought better luck to pakistan.

talent wise, rashid might've been a better overall player.
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So.... does that mean for 2011 world cup, we should be selecting players who will bring luck ..... instead of "talent or ability"? :P

How do we find out, which player will be lucky for this WC? Any idea?
 
Rashid was a better keeper; it was great to watch his athletic dives for catches and takes.

Rashid wasn't a slouch when it came to batting either. He was competent and a fighter.

However, if it's the last 10 overs of an ODI match, I would prefer to have Moin. I still remember his knocks in the 99 world cup. Superb stuff from him.

In conclusion: Rashid in tests. Moin in ODIs (and T20's if they played back then.)
 
Amjid Javed said:
Latif was a miles better glovesmen.

However, Moin was always a go to man when pakistan was in crisis and scored some valuable runs.

People go on about Kamran Akmals 100 at karachi against India as a brilliant knock which it is.

Moin scored to similar knocks 60 in Chennai v India (Pakistan 91/5) and 70 and Calcutta (Pakistan 26/6) on both occasions he kept Pakistan in the match in 1st inns of the game and Pakistan won both tests.

Did Latif ever play such a knock?
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Rashid Latif was very good at batting with the tail and farming the strike, putting on an additional 50 some runs for the last wicket and boosting the total. The most impressive of these was in his debut Test at The Oval in 1992.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63579.html

Two other occasions I can remember also happened to be against England in England. Lord's in 1996 and Old Trafford in 2001
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63716.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63933.html

With regards to batting, in my opinion Rashid Latif was a better batsman overall. Better technique and more stylish. Though to Moin's credit, he was able to make the most of his limited talent. But I don't think there is any doubt as to who the better keeper of the two was.

It was unfortunate that the two played their cricket side by side. Also Rashid Latif's outspokenness meant that he was treated extremely unfairly. Played only 37 Tests over an 11-year career, 14 of which were against Bangladesh/Zimbabwe. Also would get dropped after match winning performances, which was very strange, though in light of recent events is explainable.
 
d0gers said:
Rashid Latif was very good at batting with the tail and farming the strike, putting on an additional 50 some runs for the last wicket and boosting the total. The most impressive of these was in his debut Test at The Oval in 1992.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63579.html

Two other occasions I can remember also happened to be against England in England. Lord's in 1996 and Old Trafford in 2001
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63716.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63933.html

With regards to batting, in my opinion Rashid Latif was a better batsman overall. Better technique and more stylish. Though to Moin's credit, he was able to make the most of his limited talent. But I don't think there is any doubt as to who the better keeper of the two was.

It was unfortunate that the two played their cricket side by side. Also Rashid Latif's outspokenness meant that he was treated extremely unfairly. Played only 37 Tests over an 11-year career, 14 of which were against Bangladesh/Zimbabwe. Also would get dropped after match winning performances, which was very strange, though in light of recent events is explainable.
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This was the exact reason why he played less than moin!

Excellent post overall! loved it!
 
Latif was a superb wicket-keeper, easily better than Moin. I don't think he did justice to his batting abilities, however.

Moin Khan was 'up and down' as a keeper. He did have series where he actually kept quite well - ODI series in Australia in 1996-97, comes to mind. But he also has some shockers. But it was the fact that he got runs when they were needed, under pressure, that was so impressive about him. His vital contribution when Pakistan were 26-6 at Calcutta against India in 1999, was a prime example. A sweet timer of the ball, he was wristy and unorthodox.

He made more of his batting talent, and under pressure with the bat I would take him over Latif.

Moin's fighting qualities endeared him to many.
 
Moin khan was kind of person who brought energy in the team. He was fighter and excellent motivator. And rashid as a person brought unrest and uneasiness in the team. He seemed like a person who is not easy to talk to. Now days if you watch them on tv you will instantly develop a liking for moin. Its the case of personalities. Thats the reason moin played more for pak and he was wasim's favorite. Talent wise rashid was better than moin both in keeping and even in batting He just didnt bat to his potential.
 
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rashid for me...

good keeper and handy batsman.

Moein played too long cause as he was the "advisor" during initial captaincy years of inzi.
 
moin hit 10 off 2 balls in the world cup semi and that takes some nerve.moinwas a finisher in ODIS.if he batted above 7 he would have had a higher average.all pakistan needed in the 90s was quick runs as they had sohail, inzi ,miandad, saeed,salim,and ijaz to do the bulk of the batting.latif was a slouch with the bat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
M Nadeem said:
Noticed this after watching highlights
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Highlights can make Ravindra Jadeja look like Muralitharan...

As far as keeping is concerned Moin wasn't fit to tie Latif's laces. As for batting Latif was better in tests while Moin was better in ODIs. Overall Latif any day anytime any place.
 
KB said:
Latif was a superb wicket-keeper, easily better than Moin. I don't think he did justice to his batting abilities, however.

Moin Khan was 'up and down' as a keeper. He did have series where he actually kept quite well - ODI series in Australia in 1996-97, comes to mind. But he also has some shockers. But it was the fact that he got runs when they were needed, under pressure, that was so impressive about him. His vital contribution when Pakistan were 26-6 at Calcutta against India in 1999, was a prime example. A sweet timer of the ball, he was wristy and unorthodox.

He made more of his batting talent, and under pressure with the bat I would take him over Latif.

Moin's fighting qualities endeared him to many.
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This sums it up
 
zimran72 said:
Highlights can make Ravindra Jadeja look like Muralitharan...

As far as keeping is concerned Moin wasn't fit to tie Latif's laces. As for batting Latif was better in tests while Moin was better in ODIs. Overall Latif any day anytime any place.
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i don't i had never missed any match of pak and watched both's each and every match..

rashid was never match winner for me specailly in odis whenever he added in the team and i got sick after just his five matches and then started pray for moin return in team..

i don't care who was better, for me moin was match winner way better than rashid.. always score lower down the order with quick pace which always help us to win the match..

if were captain i would never even think of rashid even single time.. no way..

but for test cricket both were ok for me..

might be rashid was a good player as technically or talking or may be in diving.. but for a captain who just think for win always go for match winners instead of too hyped player.

just think if i were a captain.. do u think i can ever think about fawad over asad shadiq? no...

we should not start loving for someone who just takes the catch in front of third slip once in his life.. we need match winner.. who win match for pakistan i need only that person... no other person!
 
Decipher said:
Rashid Lateef. A better keeper and an even better batsman.
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but totally failed person even couldn't handle 0.5% pressure.

he was a person like fans wanted wanted wanted him in the team and then he comes and after three matches later fans turn their faces other sides and think thats what were wanted..

we need back moin again.. thats what i have seen about him..

he was hot cake for fans when he was out side of the ground..

his current example is fawad alam.. nothing in ground but better than Tendu when sitting on the bench or rest at home!
 
Rashid Latif was a better keeper, one of the best in the world when he was playing..... But Moin Khan was a better bastman..... The amount of times Moin Khan bailed us out from terrible conditions with his cheaky shots. Watching Moin, Azhar Mahmood and Wasim Akram in the last ten overs was excting.....Moin Khan was also a very quick runner between the wickets
 
MajidBhuta-AamirFan said:
i don't i had never missed any match of pak and watched both's each and every match..

rashid was never match winner for me specailly in odis whenever he added in the team and i got sick after just his five matches and then started pray for moin return in team..

i don't care who was better, for me moin was match winner way better than rashid.. always score lower down the order with quick pace which always help us to win the match..

if were captain i would never even think of rashid even single time.. no way..

but for test cricket both were ok for me..

might be rashid was a good player as technically or talking or may be in diving.. but for a captain who just think for win always go for match winners instead of too hyped player.

just think if i were a captain.. do u think i can ever think about fawad over asad shadiq? no...

we should not start loving for someone who just takes the catch in front of third slip once in his life.. we need match winner.. who win match for pakistan i need only that person... no other person!
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Either your writing skills are lacking or my comprehension skills are severely lacking because I can't really make out what it is you wanted to say.

You follow Pakistan cricket and don't even know the names of players?

Match winner you say huh? What about the keeper that often drops routine catches is he still such a big match winner? Guess it wasn't all about diving in front of 3rd slip to take catches, it also had to do with holding onto regulation catches.

So you've established you hate Fawad Alam but is there really a need to bring him up in every post? You're worse than the Nadeem guy when it comes to Fawad Alam obsession.

Carrying on I have a couple of suggestions for you: First of all you should work on your writing skills so that your posts don't look like dross next time. Secondly don't let your personal bias get in the way of intellect because it makes you look like an idiot. For example on a thread which basically asks who was better Moin or Rashid, you responded saying you don't care who was better because you liked Moin.
 
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Moin Khan was the better batsman and Rashid Latif was the better keeper.
IMO Moin Khan was more useful than Rashid Latif especially in the LOI format.
 
Rashid lateef no doubt. I have never seen him drop a (easy) catch. He always had problems with authority it seems and was ignored
 
Bump.

Would be nice to hear some more opinions on this topic.
 
As a keeper Rahsid was way better. Moin was like Akmal in the later part of career and used to drop a lot. Remember quite a few dropped catches against Saqi and Akhter. Moin is overrated as keeper because of his batting the truth he was an avg keeper nothing special. Wasim, Waqar, Saqi and Akhter have most dismissals lbw or bowled his keeping is one of the reasons apart their style of bowling.
With Rashid as keeper the avg most of our bowlers comes down compared to Moin. I don't know how to use statsguru to separate mode of dismissal I am quite sure the % of wickets caught behind and stumps would increase for most of them with Latif compared to Moin
 
Fitness wise, both were amazing. Rashid could dive and take catches of 3rd slip whereas Moin was one of the fastest runners between the wickets during his time

Keeping wise, Rashid was always more reliable and had a cleaner record. He was more athletic of the two and was easily the best during his times. Moin became a bit weak during the end days of his career but still was a safe keeper with his basics strong. He had just like Rashid, taken some blinders behind the wickets.

As a team player, Rashid was more practical as in he always believed in showing more with his performance. Moin on the other hand will always be remembered for his continuous chirping behind the wickets and motivating everyone and keeping everyone on their toes throughout.

In batting, Moin was the man of crisis. Right from the 92' world cup till the end, he used to come in either crunch times of the match or when Pakistan needed power hitting to end the innings. Rashid was supposed to have a similar role but he was not as effective as his counterpart and more often failed to have the same impact on the match.
 
Even though Rashif Latif was one of the best keeper for Pakistan and 10 times better than Moin, I'd go for Moin because of his brilliance in the field with words, batting, etc
 
munna_ said:
Fitness wise, both were amazing. Rashid could dive and take catches of 3rd slip whereas Moin was one of the fastest runners between the wickets during his time

Keeping wise, Rashid was always more reliable and had a cleaner record. He was more athletic of the two and was easily the best during his times. Moin became a bit weak during the end days of his career but still was a safe keeper with his basics strong. He had just like Rashid, taken some blinders behind the wickets.

As a team player, Rashid was more practical as in he always believed in showing more with his performance. Moin on the other hand will always be remembered for his continuous chirping behind the wickets and motivating everyone and keeping everyone on their toes throughout.

In batting, Moin was the man of crisis. Right from the 92' world cup till the end, he used to come in either crunch times of the match or when Pakistan needed power hitting to end the innings. Rashid was supposed to have a similar role but he was not as effective as his counterpart and more often failed to have the same impact on the match.
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nice post :salman
 
Rashid Latif vs Moin Khan

Who do you think was the better keeper and the better batsman? Who do you pick in your playing XI?
 
Moin Khan was an atrocious wicket keeper. Which was his primary job.
Back in 92/93 when the two w’s were in their prime Pakistan arrived in the West Indies for what was billed as the test championship: Moin dropped quite a few catches in the critical games in that series.

Rashid Latif was an infitely better wicket keeper whose role in bring to light, the matchfixing by some of the most gifted cricketers, doesn’t get appreciated enough.
He went public but he had his faults as well:
- an irrationally parochial outlook
- a messiah complex
 
Moin Khan. Probably not because of his cricket career but the way he carried himself after it. He keeps on getting coaching gigs and has a son who is probably a star in the making whereas Rashid wastes his time on TV and YouTube lobbying for Sarfraz.
 
Pete Rose said:
Moin Khan was an atrocious wicket keeper. Which was his primary job.
Back in 92/93 when the two w’s were in their prime Pakistan arrived in the West Indies for what was billed as the test championship: Moin dropped quite a few catches in the critical games in that series.

Rashid Latif was an infitely better wicket keeper whose role in bring to light, the matchfixing by some of the most gifted cricketers, doesn’t get appreciated enough.
He went public but he had his faults as well:
- an irrationally parochial outlook
- a messiah complex
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Moin was not aethetically pleasing but was hard as you get. SOmetimes it is not about ability but character. Moin was tough - had Miandad type instinct in him which no one else in our team had in the 90s.
 
Looks like Rizwan is 2X Moin+Latif.
Neither Moin nor Latif had good coaches otherwise both would be better than their stat tell. Same goes with Rizwan. Kamran was the worst keeper with decent batting.
 
Moin epitomised misplaced priorities. A keepers primary job is to keep. Moin was more of a utility player. An keeper who can tell right glove from left, a very smart limited overs batsman , though there is no discernible numbers to claim as both had similar averages and a really good skipper.
Rashid was a brilliant keeper but not as good of a batsman as moin was.
I think it was fair to play moin ahead of rashid in ODIS but test cricket needed players with roles better defined.
 
Rashid Latif was the better wicket keeper out of the two.

As a batsman I used to think Rashid was a better batsman when he first came on scene in early 90s , but Moin also showed his qualities with the bat in mid to late 90s.

No they were not Adam Ghilcrist or Sangakkara level 50 averaging test batsmen and were never going to be - but
Pakistan was very lucky to have two fighters and gutsy wicket keeper batsmen in Moin and Rashid in same era , both displaying courage and rescuing the team in difficult situations , and also played their role as senior players.

Give me that guts and courage , with top quality wicket keeping against fast bowling — then their successor who was a butter fingers WK who could slog a quick 20 or 30.

Sarfraz and Rizwan are like the modern day Moin and Rashid , and Rizwan can become something else even if he keeps going.
 
Rashid Latif should be remembered more for his noble actions around the match fixing saga than his keeping skills - which were fine to begin with.
 
*sallu* said:
Tbh both weren't ever decent batsmen in their careers

Now that Kamran has sorted his keeping out, he is miles ahead of both as an overall player.

But as a pure keeper ofcourse Latif and Bari stand out in Pakistan's history
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This was posted on 29/12/2009. Just days before the fateful Sydney test. :91:
 
Don't know about them but that Rashid latif is a toxic guy.He always cries about his region and is very biased. hate him so much.
 
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