yet muslims consider god to be omnipotent, omniscient, merciful and consider the old testament a "the god book"
No. I said, the surroundings I grow up are my starting point and it evolves with my experiences which may not be from my surroundings. the events that influnece my morality could be half the world away
what does it mean? parameter? does it have mean different n religious world than the technical world?
is your use of word parameter same as it is in technical fields?
No. Incorrect. The Loose canon is. you are mistaken. find the true path and follow the correct prophet bobby henderson.
sure. whatever you say.
I'm stunned. the noah story which was around in the area for probably 1000 years in mentioned in Quran? Who would have thunk it?
and?
god exhorts humans to commit genocide, rape and murder and endorses slavery thro moses. forbids eating shrimp and warig mixed fabric
Not understanding your tagged question at all. What is your latest gripe?
Thanks for posting in a way that is easy to respond to.
Thanks for posting in a way that is easy to respond to.
Matthew 5:17 - Bible Gateway
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Lmao. Think we have reached the end point here.
Yeah, sure. William lane Craig. The man who argued that anything god commands is moral. Even murder of women and children.
There in lies the point. You will commit any atrocity if your god commands you to. That is not morality. that is idiocy.
Sorry to interrupt your debate guys. But do people still believe in Darwinism here? Like Monkeys evolved into Humans?
empathy without god is impossible of theists. Not so for athiests.
You are good in starting threads, feel free to proceed.
Lets put aside what offends me.
You are quiet good at it too. in fact you are prolific at it.
atheists can have subjective morality (acknowledging certain behaviours which are detrimental to society) whilst also acknowledging a lack of objective morality (the universe doesnt care if human society crashes and burns)
nice try with the dodge.
Let see if he has the fortitude to see the logical end point of his "what rule giver says is objective morality" line
Good to know.
What about it? empathy is starting point for moralty. torturing and kiiling inoocnets doesn't fit with morality. Same way I came to conclusion early in my life that untouchability is immoral. didn't need sky daddy .
Nazi's were following god's morality. you know they felt they were chosen people, and kill the group they didn't like
Your morality needs to be updated with scientific advancements. Some like don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t rape are universal. But things like don’t eat this, stay away from these people , do your work this way only etc can be updated when there is scientific evidence to back it up.
If God commands you to do what he did to Sodom and Ghammorah, would you do it? Be honest.
you are asking a question that he already answered. Yes he would.
No I won't. I'd put him on a cross.
Unfortunately the edits took out the guts of my message. not sure he is going to understand what I'm asking
I don’t think he thought through enough about all scenarios.
nazi germany was a majority (95%+) christian nation, even if you posit that somehow nazism was in some way atheistic (it wasn't, hitler loved dogmatic ideologies) it was also a total failure of Christian morality to not only fail to challenge it but tacitly support it.
Nah bro. I have been pulling him in patiently. He agrees william lane craig that the victim is the soldier who kills the women and children and has plainly stated that he will commit rape, murder and genocide if god commands it.
So would you stand by and watch getting the same treatment on god's command? After all you are a moral person who obeys gods command. and god's morality is unerring and objective.
I don’t understand where you are going with this line of questioning.
Its going to its logical end point
God of the bible is hardly a good, benevolent character. jesus is is supposed to be that god or his son or whatever gets made up.
You are assuming that we are created by God. An entity that has no evidence.
1. it does not look like it is.
We can talk about Muslims in a minute but Christians and Hindus need to either believe that their religious books are inaccurate or that their God has updated his/her/their morality over time.
Even in the animal world, creatures seem to present basic morality - they do not murder in their own families or species, care for their young, do not steal from their own unless driven by extreme hunger. Are we to believe they've had their own prophet and are following his/her teachings?
No that’s not correct. You should read up on how a pride of lions lives. The alpha always gets to eat first and to the fullest. If nothing is left for the rest too bad. They also kill their young if they feel a young one is threatening their alpha status or trying to mate with one of the females. I am sure there are instances of such behavior within other species as well.
That's a pretty well thought out question. We would survive not descending into chaos, rape, theft and murder the same way most animals do. The 'selfish' gene prioritises survival of the species.
Let me replace God with your religious scriptures.
I am not saying bible commands to kill heathens. But if it is there, will you act on Yahweh’s commands or will you protest saying it is inhumane?
That's just not bothering to read more widely about ethics, secular morality and related subjects. We atheists/agnostics have debated this for ages and are about as satisfied with our ethical and moral structures as you religious guys are. That is to say we have our occasional doubts and need clarifications but the broad principles are clear enough.
To be fair Yahweh does have a track record of ordering some nasty stuff. I suppose most Christians believe life was worth less at that time and such stuff was acceptable in the context of the time. Jesus came around when life was more precious and moderated the message.
