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Most overrated cricketers ever?

Too many candidates. Amir stands out just because how he was hailed as Wasim Akram on steroids. Right now he's doing a great impression of a washed up Irfan Pathan.

Anderson has to be part of this conversation. The bowling equivalent of Sehwag. Funnily enough, while SKY commentators are quick to smear batsmen like Sehwag, they shyly skirt around this discussion on Anderson. Imagine being the highest wicket taking quick ever and, yet, being a complete non-factor in India, Sl, SA, NZ, and Australia. Staggering.

I'll nominate Jimmy Anderson.
 
AMSS said:
Too many candidates. Amir stands out just because how he was hailed as Wasim Akram on steroids. Right now he's doing a great impression of a washed up Irfan Pathan.

Anderson has to be part of this conversation. The bowling equivalent of Sehwag. Funnily enough, while SKY commentators are quick to smear batsmen like Sehwag, they shyly skirt around this discussion on Anderson. Imagine being the highest wicket taking quick ever and, yet, being a complete non-factor in India, Sl, SA, NZ, and Australia. Staggering.

I'll nominate Jimmy Anderson.
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People who criticize Sehwag but praises Anderson is a hypocrite.
 
Shahid Afridi tops the list by a mile & if u add self indulgence then our very own professor sahib is right up there too along with Ahmed the Don Shehzad & that waste of space called Choata Akmal
 
Shandarchowka said:
Sachin! Yes he was a good batsman but way too overrated to my liking.
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Good pick, keeping in mind you consider Zaheer Abbas the 2nd greatest ODI batsman ever and in the same league as Allan Border and Greg Chappell as a Test batsman.
 
Hitman said:
Good pick, keeping in mind you consider Zaheer Abbas the 2nd greatest ODI batsman ever and in the same league as Allan Border and Greg Chappell as a Test batsman.
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Zaheer was very far ahead in his era, had the best numbers.
 
Hitman said:
Yea, and he certainly is the 2nd greatest ODI batsman of all time and in the same league as Border and Chappell as a Test batsman :))
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India quartet of spinners will testify it. Ask them how they retired after Zaheer murdered them :)
 
Shandarchowka said:
India quartet of spinners will testify it. Ask them how they retired after Zaheer murdered them :)
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BTW, his own captain Imran Khan writes in his autobiography that Zaheer was a selfish player and was a complete choker when the heat was on, someone who scored soft runs all his career.
 
Shandarchowka said:
Saqlain was mentally done by then as stated many times. Zaheer though ended careers of probably the greatest bowlers India produced.
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Stated many times after his career was over? And mentally done at the age of 29? Sehwag whopped him so bad that too in his own country that he forgot to bowl after that.
 
AMSS said:
Too many candidates. Amir stands out just because how he was hailed as Wasim Akram on steroids. Right now he's doing a great impression of a washed up Irfan Pathan.

Anderson has to be part of this conversation. The bowling equivalent of Sehwag. Funnily enough, while SKY commentators are quick to smear batsmen like Sehwag, they shyly skirt around this discussion on Anderson. Imagine being the highest wicket taking quick ever and, yet, being a complete non-factor in India, Sl, SA, NZ, and Australia. Staggering.

I'll nominate Jimmy Anderson.
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‘Complete non-factor” is not accurate. Anderson was a big factor in the series England won in Australia. I will admit that his record in NZ and SA surprises, even since he learned to reverse it in 2010. On the Subcontinent you don’t expect English FM swingers to take a lot of wickets - they become stock bowlers supporting the spinners - though there have been exceptions such as Botham in the Jubliee test. Indian balls bounced a bit more in his day and Wankede is near the sea so there would have been a bit of swing.
 
Amir....what a big let down this individual...he can only be compared to the likes of vankatesh Prasad who btw was a lot faster than the glorified medium pacer.
 
Rishabh Pant has been added to the roster.

Getting sick of Pant will do this, Pant will do that, where is Pant? No, mostly Pant will say “ come on come on Vihari” behind stumps.
 
BDfanforever said:
Rishabh Pant has been added to the roster.

Getting sick of Pant will do this, Pant will do that, where is Pant? No, mostly Pant will say “ come on come on Vihari” behind stumps.
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So far his performance has been good. Kinda reminds me of the old Ashraful don't you think? Ashraful will be this for BD, will be that for BD. In reality, he was a below avg player at best, regardless of how much talent he might have had. What is he upto now days?
 
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So far his performance has been good. Kinda reminds me of the old Ashraful don't you think? Ashraful will be this for BD, will be that for BD. In reality, he was a below avg player at best, regardless of how much talent he might have had. What is he upto now days?
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I think it's demeaning for any player to be compared with a match fixer.
 
BDfanforever said:
Rishabh Pant has been added to the roster.

Getting sick of Pant will do this, Pant will do that, where is Pant? No, mostly Pant will say “ come on come on Vihari” behind stumps.
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Let's put it this way. Pant has more hundreds in tests in AUS than every cricketer that BD ever produced in the history of cricket COMBINED.
 
Abdul Qadir. Averaged 26 at home but 47 away !

Shoaib Malik. For some reason regarded as indispensible yet averages 30@80 against top sides (IND, NZ, ENG, SAF, AUS) since his comeback in 2015.
 
Markhor said:
Abdul Qadir. Averaged 26 at home but 47 away !

Shoaib Malik. For some reason regarded as indispensible yet averages 30@80 against top sides (IND, NZ, ENG, SAF, AUS) since his comeback in 2015.
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That's why Warne is considered the best ever spinner in history. Very tough for leg spinners to perform in SENA
 
Most of the overrated players are from India and it's quite logical.
India runs most of the cricket nowadays, they have the media : tv channels, websites (cricinfo & others). So their cricketers are the most talked about.

Second logical reason : Who overrates more a player? The fans! Indian players have the bigger fanbase due to the large population.

Even for non indians it's very hard to not buy the overrating as indian media and fans are very vocal and passionate about their players. Even on PakPassion, where we should normally have lot of good cricket followers and so more or so neutral points of view you can easily see the overrating indians players have.
Lot of complexed fans who just want to be in the flow of things easily buy this overrating of Indian players/team.
 
England served proper roads whenever Steyn played in Eng.

Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn played : 41 ( Steyn avg is 31)

Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn didn't play: 23


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Anderson's average in,

Aus - 35
SA - 39
SL - 46
Ind - 33
NZ - 32

Anderson's career is pretty much picking cheap wickets in home tracks with few performances here and there outside home grounds.
 
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England served proper roads whenever Steyn played in Eng.

Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn played : 41 ( Steyn avg is 31)

Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn didn't play: 23


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Anderson's average in,

Aus - 35
SA - 39
SL - 46
Ind - 33
NZ - 32

Anderson's career is pretty much picking cheap wickets in home tracks with few performances here and there outside home grounds.
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Anybody who says Anderson is an ATG is out of their mind. Classic grade a home bully.
 
Robert said:
‘Complete non-factor” is not accurate. Anderson was a big factor in the series England won in Australia. I will admit that his record in NZ and SA surprises, even since he learned to reverse it in 2010. On the Subcontinent you don’t expect English FM swingers to take a lot of wickets - they become stock bowlers supporting the spinners - though there have been exceptions such as Botham in the Jubliee test. Indian balls bounced a bit more in his day and Wankede is near the sea so there would have been a bit of swing.
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Yes, and Sehwag had his moments in all those countries. Scored centuries to ensure test series drawn against England in 2002 and against the all conquering Australian side in 2003. Of course, unlike you, I am not going to make the laughable argument that India openers/batsmen are not expected to do well in England. Otherwise why be available for selection?

So regardless of his rare and isolated moments in Australia, Anderson truly was a zero impact player in 5 of the most consequential cricketing nations. Woeful.
 
Currently on PP Shan Masood. A guy who some people have even recommended for captaincy.
 
Buffet said:
England served proper roads whenever Steyn played in Eng.

Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn played : 41 ( Steyn avg is 31)

Anderson's avg in Eng when Steyn didn't play: 23


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Anderson's average in,

Aus - 35
SA - 39
SL - 46
Ind - 33
NZ - 32

Anderson's career is pretty much picking cheap wickets in home tracks with few performances here and there outside home grounds.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] :ksi
 
Slim said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] :ksi
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According to Mamoon, Steyn is overrated and just a great bowler because his record in two out of three top batting teams of his era is not good:-

England:- 31( on same pitches, Jimmy averages 41 when Steyn played)
Australia:- 28
india:- 21

Then, what about Anderson??

Aus:- 35
SA:- 39
Ind:- 33
NZ:- 32
SL:- 46

If you give Steyn a 8 on 10, then Anderson should be given a 6.
 
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ABD. He is counted as amongst don viv sachin kohli by lots of indian fans.

I agree he was great and a freak but that much ....
 
Fawad Alam is currently the most overhyped Pakistani player.

Hitman said:
Stated many times after his career was over? And mentally done at the age of 29? Sehwag whopped him so bad that too in his own country that he forgot to bowl after that.
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Saqi was bowling with injured knees at the time. Grow up.
 
As for the most overrated cricketer ever, do I need to mention it? Of course it's Wasim Akram.
 
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Thread is not about any fixing allegations and reports. Talk about the ovver-rated cricketer
 
Bilal7 said:
Fawad Alam is currently the most overhyped Pakistani player.



Saqi was bowling with injured knees at the time. Grow up.
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Yea, and India asked him to play, right?

By the way, who needs to grow up? Me, or someone whose beloved 'Babbar Sher' was supposed to end up as the greatest batsman from Asia?
 
Tendulkar, Dhoni, Kohli (Test), Laxman, Ashwin, Jadeja, Steyn, Williamson, Saeed Anwar
 
- Babar azam all formats fraud
- Shahid afridi all formats fraud
Mitchell starc in tests
- Kane Williamson lumber 1 fraud in all formats tbh
- Virat kohli in tests and odi - lumber 1 stat padder
Shoaib akthar in odi -choker
- Waqar Younis in tests (biggest stat padder)
- Warner in tests outside bouncy wickets - massively overrated.
- Rohit sharma - fraud in tests. Overseas average of 25. Home average of 64 plus
- Brett Lee in tests overrated massively
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For me I'm only focusing on cricketers who are medicore and not cricketers who are good, so no point in talking about Tendulkar and kohli as their good cricketers. Overglorification and folklore myths happen for each and everyone who achoebes atg status.

Australia

Philip Huges: He gets overrated alot due to his tragic death but he honestly wasnt very good. His avg plummeted from 50 to 32 in tests. Infact his career was on a downward trajectory before his death.

Lots of people call him a future test atg who's life got taken away too quickly bit honestly he was on the verge of being dropped.

England

Malan and Stokes: Stokes is the guy who's played 2 atg knocks in 2 finals and won his country a respective world cup bit beyond these 2 innings and a bit of pakistan bashing, he's nothing special.

As for Malan, hes not overrated anymore but good god was he overrated in t20 for a bit. He got that no 1 t20 rank by pure luck, otherwise he was bamg avg in t20 during his golden days.

Cook is also someone I find overrated in tests tbh, but due to his runs tally I won't comment much.

India

Laxman, Ashwin and jadeja. I'm sick of laxman narratives. He wasn't an ambassador who was forced to play odi's. He played more odi's (87) then most cricketers who fail and depart the side after 20 or so games.

He was rubbish and was dropped in odi and rightfully so. In tests he's played a couple of atg innings but his inconsistency is praised as some nonsense narrative.

He is an inconsistent test specialist who doesnt even avg 50 despite being a one format guy. Rubbish in tests as an opensr and had to be slotted to work. Bang avg player who's played a few atg innings and is dubbed as crises man when even fakhar zaman has played more crises man innings then he has lol.

As for ashwin and Jadeja, They benfitted from home pitch curation. Utterly rubbish overseas and total frauds.

Pakistan

Babar, Rizwan and Misbah by far. Misbah and rizzu are selfish crapola whiteball batsmen and just decent test batters, nothing special.

This whole saviour and crises man bullcrap. All i see are 2 whiteball players who never give a damn about the scorecard or RR pressure and play selfishly stat pad innings in match losing causes. Rizwan has played a few gems here and their. Misbah has played only 2 which are againat India and Australia in 2007. Beyond that he's utter garbage.

As for Babar, nothing more then a good accumulator in prime, and currently is a virtual tail ender. Best pakistani batter of all time my foot.

Sri Lanka

Malinga by far. He iant a bad bowler but hes a bowler who had a purple patch and wrecked the opposition. Once that patch ended he was just okay.

South Africa

No one that i recall tbh, Most SA batters suffer from the choke curse so are often underrated. I dont recall any marketing hype. Only de villers is hyped. Qdk, Bpucher, Kallis etc are often underappreciated.

Maybe Amla, But Amla was gun during his peak

New Zealand

Williamson as a batter, Not as a captain. Jes a goat captain however his time is done.

as for the rest i dont care. Afghanistan is too new, Bangladesh was never hyped, Zimbabwe doesnt really matter.
 
Most overrated cricketers

Babar & Rizwan - both feeding of that 152-0 hype. Barely done anything of note in last 2 years

Shaheen - another guy living of that 152-0 hype. Last 2 years has turned into a military medium pace trundler

Ashwin & Jadeja - Dust bowl bullies who never delivers outside Asia

Kl Rahul - chokes under pressure every time

Dhoni - decent player but nowhere close to what his hype suggest. Mediocre in test cricket outside Asia

Joe Root - no test century in Australia till date. Huge red flag
 
mominsaigol said:
For me I'm only focusing on cricketers who are medicore and not cricketers who are good, so no point in talking about Tendulkar and kohli as their good cricketers. Overglorification and folklore myths happen for each and everyone who achoebes atg status.

Australia

Philip Huges: He gets overrated alot due to his tragic death but he honestly wasnt very good. His avg plummeted from 50 to 32 in tests. Infact his career was on a downward trajectory before his death.

Lots of people call him a future test atg who's life got taken away too quickly bit honestly he was on the verge of being dropped.

England

Malan and Stokes: Stokes is the guy who's played 2 atg knocks in 2 finals and won his country a respective world cup bit beyond these 2 innings and a bit of pakistan bashing, he's nothing special.

As for Malan, hes not overrated anymore but good god was he overrated in t20 for a bit. He got that no 1 t20 rank by pure luck, otherwise he was bamg avg in t20 during his golden days.

Cook is also someone I find overrated in tests tbh, but due to his runs tally I won't comment much.

India

Laxman, Ashwin and jadeja. I'm sick of laxman narratives. He wasn't an ambassador who was forced to play odi's. He played more odi's (87) then most cricketers who fail and depart the side after 20 or so games.

He was rubbish and was dropped in odi and rightfully so. In tests he's played a couple of atg innings but his inconsistency is praised as some nonsense narrative.

He is an inconsistent test specialist who doesnt even avg 50 despite being a one format guy. Rubbish in tests as an opensr and had to be slotted to work. Bang avg player who's played a few atg innings and is dubbed as crises man when even fakhar zaman has played more crises man innings then he has lol.

As for ashwin and Jadeja, They benfitted from home pitch curation. Utterly rubbish overseas and total frauds.

Pakistan

Babar, Rizwan and Misbah by far. Misbah and rizzu are selfish crapola whiteball batsmen and just decent test batters, nothing special.

This whole saviour and crises man bullcrap. All i see are 2 whiteball players who never give a damn about the scorecard or RR pressure and play selfishly stat pad innings in match losing causes. Rizwan has played a few gems here and their. Misbah has played only 2 which are againat India and Australia in 2007. Beyond that he's utter garbage.

As for Babar, nothing more then a good accumulator in prime, and currently is a virtual tail ender. Best pakistani batter of all time my foot.

Sri Lanka

Malinga by far. He iant a bad bowler but hes a bowler who had a purple patch and wrecked the opposition. Once that patch ended he was just okay.

South Africa

No one that i recall tbh, Most SA batters suffer from the choke curse so are often underrated. I dont recall any marketing hype. Only de villers is hyped. Qdk, Bpucher, Kallis etc are often underappreciated.

Maybe Amla, But Amla was gun during his peak

New Zealand

Williamson as a batter, Not as a captain. Jes a goat captain however his time is done.

as for the rest i dont care. Afghanistan is too new, Bangladesh was never hyped, Zimbabwe doesnt really matter.
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Disagree with Malinga & Laxman

Malinga was the best white ball bowler for a fairly long time ( 2006-2012)

Laxman was never really so hyped up. everyone regarded him only for that Eden Garden innings & exploits against Australia. Also was never highly rated in ODIs
 
mominsaigol said:
For me I'm only focusing on cricketers who are medicore and not cricketers who are good, so no point in talking about Tendulkar and kohli as their good cricketers. Overglorification and folklore myths happen for each and everyone who achoebes atg status.

Australia

Philip Huges: He gets overrated alot due to his tragic death but he honestly wasnt very good. His avg plummeted from 50 to 32 in tests. Infact his career was on a downward trajectory before his death.

Lots of people call him a future test atg who's life got taken away too quickly bit honestly he was on the verge of being dropped.
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No offence but that's pretty insensitive for you to say about Philip Hughes, especially when you haven't seen him play. His numbers in international cricket do not tell the full story.

There were a number of reasons why he was so highly rated. He was just 18 when he made his debut in Sheffield Shield cricket and quickly became the youngest player to score a century in a Sheffield Shield final. In just his second test match he scored back to back centuries against a South African attack comprising of Steyn, Morkel and Ntini. I believe this also made him the youngest batter ever to hit twin tons in a single test match.

He had a start-stop career and he shuffled numerous times between the middle order and the top order. He bears some responsibility for his own decline in form as well but his talent was evident and it's also important to note that he was still just 25 when he passed away, which is an age at which alot of people begin their test careers.

Prior to his death, he was in strong form in the Sheffield Shield and on the verge of a Test recall for the India series. The season before that he was one of the top-scorers and scored 500+ runs that season. Earlier that year he had scored a double ton for Australia A aswell. His form combined with Australia's unsettled batting line-up and Clarke struggling with an injury very much put him in-line for a test comeback until ofcourse his sad demise.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
No offence but that's pretty insensitive for you to say about Philip Hughes, especially when you haven't seen him play. His numbers in international cricket do not tell the full story.

There were a number of reasons why he was so highly rated. He was just 18 when he made his debut in Sheffield Shield cricket and quickly became the youngest player to score a century in a Sheffield Shield final. In just his second test match he scored back to back centuries against a South African attack comprising of Steyn, Morkel and Ntini. I believe this also made him the youngest batter ever to hit twin tons in a single test match.

He had a start-stop career and he shuffled numerous times between the middle order and the top order. He bears some responsibility for his own decline in form as well but his talent was evident and it's also important to note that he was still just 25 when he passed away, which is an age at which alot of people begin their test careers.

Prior to his death, he was in strong form in the Sheffield Shield and on the verge of a Test recall for the India season. The season before that he was one of the top-scorers and scored 500+ runs that season. Earlier that year he had scored a double ton for Australia A aswell. His form combined with Australia's unsettled batting line-up and Clarke struggling with an injury very much put him in-line for a test comeback until ofcourse his sad demise.
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Thats all good. Hughes was a sparking talent however it doesn't change the fact that his career was plummeting off a cliff in test cricket and he was on the verge of being dropped.

He may have come back and raised that avg up and reached the status of a test ATG, we will never know, but before his death his career was plummeting.

It wasn't a start stop career. He came as the perfect future replacement for Clarke and he + Steve smith were poised to become a fearsome test duo.

But very quickly he started to fizzle out.
 
mominsaigol said:
Thats all good. Hughes was a sparking talent however it doesn't change the fact that his career was plummeting off a cliff in test cricket and he was on the verge of being dropped.

He may have come back and raised that avg up and reached the status of a test ATG, we will never know, but before his death his career was plummeting.

It wasn't a start stop career. He came as the perfect future replacement for Clarke and he + Steve smith were poised to become a fearsome test duo.

But very quickly he started to fizzle out.
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How was his career plummeting when he was 25, scoring runs in domestic cricket and on the verge of a test recall for Australia? If anything his career was in the ascendency because he was on the cusp of earning a place in the side on the back of strong performances. How he would have done for Australia is something we will never know. But I fail to understand how his career was plummeting?
 
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Disagree with Malinga & Laxman

Malinga was the best white ball bowler for a fairly long time ( 2006-2012)

Laxman was never really so hyped up. everyone regarded him only for that Eden Garden innings & exploits against Australia. Also was never highly rated in ODIs
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Their people over who believe Laxman is a certified Test ATG when he isn't and that his stats aren't reflective of his caliber.

In reality He's an inconsistent test player who's really averages 38 to 42 in test cricket but a few atg innings has boosted that avg to 45.

Similarly the whole he wasn't known as an odi player is also an excuse. He was a rubbish odi player. He wanted to play odi. He wanted to represent India in odi, but failed and was dropped.

The truth is he was dropped in odi's and was India desperately tried to make him work in tests by swapping his batting position frequently because he could never settle.

India would have won many more games if they had one extra 50+ avg batter batting alongside them. Laxman was the weakest link in that atg Indian test lineup.

People forget that Laxman has lost India more test games then won it.
 
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How was his career plummeting when he was 25, scoring runs in domestic cricket and on the verge of a test recall for Australia? If anything his career was in the ascendency because he was on the cusp of earning his place in the side on the back of strong performances. How he would have done for Australia is something we will never know. But I fail to understand how his career was plummeting?
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Idk man, maybe I'm speaking from personal bias but he was someone who dissapointed me.

I really enjoyed watching him bat but once he hit a nasty slump I lost faith in him.

Him getting recalled back into the side wasn't the first time he was recalled by Australia. He frequently performed in domestics, His form never wavered their.

But anytime he was recalled he was medicore and was forced to be a backup opener.

Australia desperately wanted him to replace Hayden but it never happened.
 
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Their people over who believe Laxman is a certified Test ATG when he isn't and that his stats aren't reflective of his caliber.

In reality He's an inconsistent test player who's really averages 38 to 42 in test cricket but a few atg innings has boosted that avg to 45.

Similarly the whole he wasn't known as an odi player is also an excuse. He was a rubbish odi player. He wanted to play odi. He wanted to represent India in odi, but failed and was dropped.

The truth is he was dropped in odi's and was India desperately tried to make him work in tests by swapping his batting position frequently because he could never settle.

India would have won many more games if they had one extra 50+ avg batter batting alongside them. Laxman was the weakest link in that atg Indian test lineup.

People forget that Laxman has lost India more test games then won it.
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Naah u are getting Laxman wrong

He played a lot of good innings in difficult situations which is not always reflected in his stats. This notion that if u average 50 - u will win a lot of games is wrong. I can name u many batters who averaged 50 and rarely won a games bcoz they wer statpadders

What set Laxman apart was his ability to score runs in difficult situation. Example India was 85-4 chasing Australia's 556 at Adelaide. Starting at follow on and Laxman scored a 150 plus and India ultimately won the game. That 1 innings is far better than 5 tons on dead wickets
 
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Naah u are getting Laxman wrong

He played a lot of good innings in difficult situations which is not always reflected in his stats. This notion that if u average 50 - u will win a lot of games is wrong. I can name u many batters who averaged 50 and rarely won a games bcoz they wer statpadders

What set Laxman apart was his ability to score runs in difficult situation. Example India was 85-4 chasing Australia's 556 at Adelaide. Starting at follow on and Laxman scored a 150 plus and India ultimately won the game. That 1 innings is far better than 5 tons on dead wickets
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As I said he played some atg innings. But thats exactly what he is.

An inconsistent mess who throughout his career had his test positions swapped from opening to no 7 until bcci finally found the position where he was comfortable in.

He's played atg innings here and their, Big whoop, Fakahr zaman has done the same thing in odi yet no one in their right mind would give fakhar that atg tagline, due to his inconsistency.

Laxman was a very average batter who has played atg gems. But that's about it. Everything else is Indian narratives which is nothing new as Indians overglorify all their players.

For example Sachin is the moat consistent batter of all time however Indians portray him as an untouchable God when in reality every year throughout his 24 year long career their were always 3 to 4 batters who outperformed him and surpassed him peak.

What put Sachin ahead was consistency, however Indians pitray him as some sort of bradman aka always top scoring, most complete batter this and that when mcgrath would usually mollywop him before tea.
 
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As I said he played some atg innings. But thats exactly what he is.

An inconsistent mess who throughout his career had his test positions swapped from opening to no 7 until bcci finally found the position where he was comfortable in.

He's played atg innings here and their, Big whoop, Fakahr zaman has done the same thing in odi yet no one in their right mind would give fakhar that atg tagline, due to his inconsistency.

Laxman was a very average batter who has played atg gems. But that's about it. Everything else is Indian narratives which is nothing new as Indians overglorify all their players.

For example Sachin is the moat consistent batter of all time however Indians portray him as an untouchable God when in reality every year throughout his 24 year long career their were always 3 to 4 batters who outperformed him and surpassed him peak.

What put Sachin ahead was consistency, however Indians pitray him as some sort of bradman aka always top scoring, most complete batter this and that when mcgrath would usually mollywop him before tea.
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Laxman averaged 46 in test cricket. That is not ' inconsistent mess" by any definition. He had 4 test tons in Australia alone. that's more than many ATGs. Mind u he was not a statpadder who filled his boots against weak opposition - which makes his test average even more impressive

U an say Laxman was not a ATG. Fair enough. But u are basically trying to insinuate Laxman was " inconsistent mess" type of player - that's equally over the top ! A test average of 46 with many match winning innings is never " inconsistent"

Pls don't compare with Fakhar. He is a hit or miss type of player. U can count his match winning knocks on ur hand. Laxman wud regularly get get decent scores even when he was not at his peak. He rarely underperformed for long periods of time - except his last year of cricket when he was well past his prime. What he lacked was converting 50s into big innings. Like he wud score a nice 60 but not turn into a 140. That's why he had 56 test 50s but only 17 tons. But again 73 50 plus scores in 134 tests is not inconsistent. That's an average of 0.6 50 plus per test. In line with most ATGs
 
Hitman said:
Yea, and India asked him to play, right?

By the way, who needs to grow up? Me, or someone whose beloved 'Babbar Sher' was supposed to end up as the greatest batsman from Asia?
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Imagine replying to a post from pre-Covid times.
 
NishanKonar said:
Laxman averaged 46 in test cricket. That is not ' inconsistent mess" by any definition. He had 4 test tons in Australia alone. that's more than many ATGs. Mind u he was not a statpadder who filled his boots against weak opposition - which makes his test average even more impressive

U an say Laxman was not a ATG. Fair enough. But u are basically trying to insinuate Laxman was " inconsistent mess" type of player - that's equally over the top ! A test average of 46 with many match winning innings is never " inconsistent"

Pls don't compare with Fakhar. He is a hit or miss type of player. U can count his match winning knocks on ur hand. Laxman wud regularly get get decent scores even when he was not at his peak. He rarely underperformed for long periods of time - except his last year of cricket when he was well past his prime. What he lacked was converting 50s into big innings. Like he wud score a nice 60 but not turn into a 140. That's why he had 56 test 50s but only 17 tons. But again 73 50 plus scores in 134 tests is not inconsistent. That's an average of 0.6 50 plus per test. In line with most ATGs
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He played a lot of his innings at no 6 and with inconsistent lower order. It is difficult to convert 50s into 100s when you are playing with Srinath, Kumble, Prasad, kind of batters
 
Ab Fan said:
Imran Khan. Made a career by achieving success via tampering with the ball. Otherwise his record was poor in 70s throughout.
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Yeah, he admitted it in his autobiography about tampering in county matches. If someone needed to tamper in counties to succeed then imagine what he had to do in internationals.
 
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