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Dhoni played a legendary innings in the 2011 world cup final. That will never be forgotten.
However, Bevan is miles ahead of Dhoni. Bevan was the greatest ODI player ever (according to me).
Bevan had pulled Australia out of the deepest holes.
74/7 chasing 172 vs West Indies, SCG, 1995-96, 78*
82/6 and 143/7 chasing 245 vs NZ, MCG, 2001-02 102*
135/8 chasing 204 vs England, WC '03, 74*
Tell me when Dhoni has played similar innings?
You can't appreciate Bevan if you have not watched those innings. They were out of the world.Dhoni doesn't allow the situation to get that tough.
I don't particularly remember those knocks you've listed, but he could never have got there if not for decent support from the tail.
Games are set up for Dhoni to finish and occasionally rescue and he seems to be doing his duty with a great deal of success
What is the secret of your success as a 'finisher' in ODIs?
I think for that you got to know when to take the risk and when to minimize it. You must have the ability to rotate the strike and play the shots as well. You've got to know how to absorb pressure in tight situations.
Indian skipper MS Dhoni has played some great knocks to take India home. How do you rate him in that role?
I think Dhoni always has a lot of scoring options. He knows how to rotate the strike and at the same time is capable of hitting the big shots. He is very strong and can hit the ball really hard. He is very flexible in his approach and can stay calm at pressure situations. This makes him one of the best finishers in ODIs.
You have coached Kings XI Punjab in the IPL and you are now looking after the Orissa side. What's your take on young Indian cricketers?
I have seen lot of talent in India. I feel with better understanding, practice and experience these youngsters will grow up to be good players.
Can you name the three best batsmen and bowlers with whom you have played?
Well if I can give you randomly, among batsmen it should be Sachin Tendulkar, Brian Lara and Adam Gilchrist and for bowlers, I'll pick Wasim Akram, Saqlain Mushtaq and Shaun Pollock.
Bevan had pulled Australia out of the deepest holes.
74/7 chasing 172 vs West Indies, SCG, 1995-96, 78*
82/6 and 143/7 chasing 245 vs NZ, MCG, 2001-02 102*
135/8 chasing 204 vs England, WC '03, 74*
Tell me when Dhoni has played similar innings?
strike rate matters at end of inning and afridi tops that list so afridi is the best finisher officially.
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strike rate matters at end of inning and afridi tops that list so afridi is the best finisher officially.
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strike rate matters at end of inning and afridi tops that list so Afridi is the best finisher officially.
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Bevan had pulled Australia out of the deepest holes.
74/7 chasing 172 vs West Indies, SCG, 1995-96, 78*
82/6 and 143/7 chasing 245 vs NZ, MCG, 2001-02 102*
135/8 chasing 204 vs England, WC '03, 74*
Tell me when Dhoni has played similar innings?
Teams don't chase totals of 170, 294 and 245 anymore .. If they do , they don't get into trouble ..I hardly remember us failing to Chase such totals in recent years ....instead we get situations like 80/4 or 120/5 or 170/6 chasing near 300 totals ..I don't think Beavens one-dimensional game can win you games with required rate above 7 or 8 .
Does his 91* off 79 balls count for nothing in a world cup final, or his 183* whilst chasing 299? I have a long list which I update regularly which still remains a long one even if you wish to exclude five or six innings´ from it.
What? Teams don't chase those totals anymore? So everyone scores 300 plus scores nowadays?
That was not even the point. My point was that Bevan has played some amazing knocks when his team was in a hole. Even Bevan has played innings when the situation was 80/4 or 120/5. But I picked the ones in which defeat was a foregone conclusion.
I am not saying that Dhoni has not played innings like that. Just that I don't remember if he has. Would welcome if anyone could correct me.
Does his 91* off 79 balls count for nothing in a world cup final, or his 183* whilst chasing 299? I have a long list which I update regularly which still remains a long one even if you wish to exclude five or six innings´ from it.
Even though Bevan played till 2003, he was from completely different era. ODI game has changed too fast and Bevan played during a time when 250 was still a winning total. These days 250 can be easily chased. Dhoni plays different to what Bevan did those days. Bevan was a ODI great and won many matches for his team in his own style and Dhoni is doing the same for India catering to the demands to ODI cricket at the moment.
He has engineered many ODI chases for India over the past few years and has also helped India set some good totals batting first when the team has been in trouble (Example todays game against India). Both players have their way of playing and have been successful for their respective teams. Lets leave it at that.
A forum is , after all, to share your opinions and update them when you are proven wrong.
The WC innings was great, but he did not pull the team out of a hole. He came when India was 140 odd for 3 and run rate was not a problem. It was a great innings because it was a WC final, and for no other reason.
I want to know examples of Dhoni's innings where he has played innings like Bevan's that I mentioned. Mention some from your long list and I will thankfully update my opinion.
First of all, I must appreciate you for your manners and for holding a graceful discussion. Such an attitude is seen very rarely on forums and it is always heartening to see someone behave like this
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I must also clarify that I do not at all wish to undermine Michael Bevan´s achievement or wish to prove MS Dhoni to be better than him for I believe that each and every player is good in his given role in the team. Comparison of players are mostly futile and also mostly end up with personal insults and attacks. I am rather just trying to make a strong case for MS Dhoni.
Mate, you have got that bit wrong I am sorry! He came in when India were 114 for three in 21.4 overs and the required run-rate was 5.71. If the "required run-rate was not a problem", then let me tell you that Michael Bevan would have got to 124 by facing all of the rest deliveries to be bowled! His team would have lost by 34 runs!
It is not considered special only since it came in a world cup final. It is rated so highly till date because he decided to bat ahead of Yuvraj Singh, the Man of the Tournament, despite being in terrible form himself. The target was 275 which has never been chased down in a world cup final (previous best 242) and was the second highest total chased in a knock-out match of a world cup (the record being 287. Correct me if I am wrong, please). The bowling attack he had to face was Lasith Malinga, the only bowler in the history of ODI cricket to have taken three hat-tricks and also the only bowler to take four wickets in four balls, along with Muttiah Muralitharan, the leading wicket taker of in ODIs
.
Well, here goes my list.......
MS Dhoni´s innings´ after wickets had fallen and while batting in the middle or lower-order:
63* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/217979.html
45* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/223902.html
72* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/236809.html
77* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/236809.html
38 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/238189.html
51 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/249753.html
55 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/249212.html
48 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/267712.html
67* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/267715.html
139* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/289110.html (playing for Asia XI, though)
50 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/258477.html
88* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/cbs/engine/match/291360.html
50* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/cbs/engine/match/291366.html
68 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/asiacup/engine/current/match/335356.html
39 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/343733.html
76 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/343734.html
71 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/366341.html
95 http://www.cricinfo.com/wivind2009/engine/current/match/377314.html
46* http://www.cricinfo.com/wivind2009/engine/current/match/377315.html
35* http://www.cricinfo.com/compaq/engine/current/match/403382.html
124 http://www.cricinfo.com/indvaus2009/engine/match/416237.html
71* http://www.cricinfo.com/indvaus2009/engine/match/416238.html
101* http://www.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/engine/current/match/434260.html
91* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/282688.html (dreamest and best of them all)
69 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/474479.html
78* http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/engine/current/match/474480.html
87* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521218.html (Quite a tough wicket it was, too)
35* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521220.html
75* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521222.html
MS Dhoni´s innings´ after wickets around him had fallen but himself batting up the order (actually batting from first to fourth position):
183* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/223634.html
96 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/238193.html
I am mostly likely to be a touch bias towards MS Dhoni being his fan. I would appreciate errors being pointed out.
OK. I was not aware of such good innings he has played. Thanks for changing my views regarding Dhoni. Though calling someone BEST is subjective, but not many will begrudge that title to Dhoni if he keeps on playing like this.
I am a little biased towards Bevan. I have seen some cricketers at airports standing right behind me. but I never bother to greet them. But once I saw Bevan, and saluted him. But he gave a cold stare. I like him so much that I wasn't embarrassed.
Peace be upon Zhivago,
No, I don´t think that MS Dhoni is best in any regard whatsoever. He is effective, fighting and hard working, but there are many far ahead of him including his own team mates such as Sachin Tendulkar and (or maybe) Yuvraj Singh. On on top of all, if out of form, his technique and foot-work can go against him as we saw prior to the World Cup Final, 2011.
All acceptable as I can possibly be biased towards someone as well. Good to know that you have met Michael Bevan.
It was my pleasure to have had a discussion with you. May you keep being so polite and honest. Amen!
Good day!
Great batsman who loves asians pitches as his overall record shows he needs 2 make few 100s ouside asia... just for fun... but overall superb player under pressure...
5 odi 100s in india
1 in bangla
1 in pak
he is good... no question of that
beven/dhoni >>> hussey puzzy
we seem to forget bevan and hussey had awesome bowlers around them wich always help....coz most of times the total they had 2 chase have been not that many... and great batsman around aswel.. and a teams wich never seem to lose.... dhoni made india ... a hard team.. 2 beat... wel ganguly did that but its dhoni... who made what india is today...
dhoni never had one may be zaheer but he wont scare any one.. with pace.....
my fav indian player by country mile... and he married a girl from his area for that i respect him alot..![]()
Obvious troll is obvious.
Do you have anything to back up your comment?
He prefereed to chicken out of the SF even at the cost of his farewell
Some guts![]()
Great list Dhoni183, amazing work done by you!![]()
We all say how good Dhoni was outside his comfort zone in India
Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
in Australia 2008-2008 6 6 2 178 37 44.50 280 63.57 0 0 0 11 1
in Bangladesh 2004-2011 9 7 3 279 101* 69.75 316 88.29 1 1 1 25 1
in England 2007-2011 12 12 2 411 78* 41.10 483 85.09 0 4 0 34 6
in New Zealand 2009-2009 5 4 2 184 84* 92.00 187 98.39 0 2 0 14 2
in Pakistan 2006-2008 7 6 4 321 77* 160.50 286 112.23 0 4 0 34 6
in Scotland 2007-2007 1 - - - - - - - - - - - -
in S. Africa 2006-2011 9 9 0 214 55 23.77 271 78.96 0 1 0 16 7
in Sri Lanka 2005-2010 21 20 3 731 94 43.00 930 78.60 0 7 0 47 6
in West Indies 2006-2009 9 8 2 277 95 46.16 331 83.68 0 1 0 21 5
in Zimbabwe 2005-2005 2 2 1 123 67* 123.00 109 112.84 0 2 0 3 7
I Agree with this post and it seems quite ludicrous for us to compare the 2 even though dhoni has the extra burden of captaining his team and wicket keeping as well.nevertheless dhoni is an asset who can walk into any sqaud with his hardworking,sincere work ethicMichael Bevan was head and shoulders above anyone in his era where 300 was some total. His greatest strength was his ability to find those pressure releasing boundaries out of nowhere. And he was a brilliant runner between the wickets too. Not to forget , one of the most gifted fielders.
Dhoni has all those traits too and its a great thing he is being compared to Bevan in the first place. He is almost right up there with Bevan,just need another small notch.
First of all, I must appreciate you for your manners and for holding a graceful discussion. Such an attitude is seen very rarely on forums and it is always heartening to see someone behave like this
.
I must also clarify that I do not at all wish to undermine Michael Bevan´s achievement or wish to prove MS Dhoni to be better than him for I believe that each and every player is good in his given role in the team. Comparison of players are mostly futile and also mostly end up with personal insults and attacks. I am rather just trying to make a strong case for MS Dhoni.
Mate, you have got that bit wrong I am sorry! He came in when India were 114 for three in 21.4 overs and the required run-rate was 5.71. If the "required run-rate was not a problem", then let me tell you that Michael Bevan would have got to 124 by facing all of the rest deliveries to be bowled! His team would have lost by 34 runs!
It is not considered special only since it came in a world cup final. It is rated so highly till date because he decided to bat ahead of Yuvraj Singh, the Man of the Tournament, despite being in terrible form himself. The target was 275 which has never been chased down in a world cup final (previous best 242) and was the second highest total chased in a knock-out match of a world cup (the record being 287. Correct me if I am wrong, please). The bowling attack he had to face was Lasith Malinga, the only bowler in the history of ODI cricket to have taken three hat-tricks and also the only bowler to take four wickets in four balls, along with Muttiah Muralitharan, the leading wicket taker of in ODIs
.
Well, here goes my list.......
MS Dhoni´s innings´ after wickets had fallen and while batting in the middle or lower-order:
63* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/217979.html
45* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/223902.html
72* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/236809.html
77* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/236809.html
38 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/238189.html
51 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/249753.html
55 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/249212.html
48 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/267712.html
67* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/267715.html
139* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/289110.html (playing for Asia XI, though)
50 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/258477.html
88* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/cbs/engine/match/291360.html
50* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/cbs/engine/match/291366.html
68 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/asiacup/engine/current/match/335356.html
39 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/343733.html
76 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/343734.html
71 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/366341.html
95 http://www.cricinfo.com/wivind2009/engine/current/match/377314.html
46* http://www.cricinfo.com/wivind2009/engine/current/match/377315.html
35* http://www.cricinfo.com/compaq/engine/current/match/403382.html
124 http://www.cricinfo.com/indvaus2009/engine/match/416237.html
71* http://www.cricinfo.com/indvaus2009/engine/match/416238.html
101* http://www.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/engine/current/match/434260.html
91* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/282688.html (dreamest and best of them all)
69 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/474479.html
78* http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/engine/current/match/474480.html
87* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521218.html (Quite a tough wicket it was, too)
35* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521220.html
75* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521222.html
MS Dhoni´s innings´ after wickets around him had fallen but himself batting up the order (actually batting from first to fourth position):
183* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/223634.html
96 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/238193.html
I am mostly likely to be a touch bias towards MS Dhoni being his fan. I would appreciate errors being pointed out.
A brilliant innings again. Thoroughbred match winner if ever there was one!
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Great list Dhoni183, amazing work done by you!
@OP: For me Bevan has been the best finisher. Dhoni is very close atm.
Eye opening stats and guess i was wrong as he is the best finisher plus our captain as well...
Well, Inzamam was a much better finisher.
Had that six didn't happen, people would have hanged dhoni for his slow strike rate....
He saved the kid but after throwing him infront of the car.... I am not sure he should be praised.
lolwell, inzamam was a much better finisher.
^ ok relax, no need to get over-excited.
Learn to give credit where due, for your own sake. Your not acknowledging the truth won't hurt Dhoni (he doesn't even know you exist); only yourself.the thoroughbred match winner is on an 8 test loosing streak
he was ill.so couldnt rotate the strike.it was important he stayed coz Jaddu n Ashwin cant score anything above 6 RPO
he was ill.so couldnt rotate the strike.it was important he stayed coz Jaddu n Ashwin cant score anything above 6 RPO
Really?
Shastri n Chappell were mentioning it.
Did they mention what sort of illness he was suffering from?
yeah Bevan was fantastic batting with the tail.Dhoni not quiteHe has this habit of getting his gambles paid off. At least in ODIs. His positive thinking makes him a standout player.
Though with 3 wickets in hand - 70 needed in 12 overs I'll trust bevan.
But 70 needed in 9 overs with 5 wickets in hand , you'll have to go for Dhoni.
I haven't seen much of Bevan so wont comment on him, but in world cricket today Dhoni is the best finisher, there is no doubt about that. Before him I would say Abdul Razzaq was the best fnisher.
These are of course my opinions![]()
Razzaq was a best finisher from Subcontinent before MSD era, what a lovely hunderd he made against South African attack ,when I was 99% sure that Pakistan will loose the game . He was a great asset for Pakistan in his prime days
yeah Bevan was fantastic batting with the tail.Dhoni not quite