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MS Dhoni is better than Michael Bevan - He is the BEST finisher of the game

zhivago said:
Bevan had pulled Australia out of the deepest holes.

74/7 chasing 172 vs West Indies, SCG, 1995-96, 78*
82/6 and 143/7 chasing 245 vs NZ, MCG, 2001-02 102*
135/8 chasing 204 vs England, WC '03, 74*

Tell me when Dhoni has played similar innings?
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Dhoni doesn't allow the situation to get that tough.
I don't particularly remember those knocks you've listed, but he could never have got there if not for decent support from the tail.
Games are set up for Dhoni to finish and occasionally rescue and he seems to be doing his duty with a great deal of success
 
Dhoni is capable of those too provided some help from tail enders like Beven used to get
 
Crazy_K said:
Dhoni doesn't allow the situation to get that tough.
I don't particularly remember those knocks you've listed, but he could never have got there if not for decent support from the tail.
Games are set up for Dhoni to finish and occasionally rescue and he seems to be doing his duty with a great deal of success
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You can't appreciate Bevan if you have not watched those innings. They were out of the world.
What do you mean Dhoni does not allow the situation to get that tough? Does he control the wickets falling at the other end? Also why do certain people seem to get more support from the tail than others. Why Laxman gets support and Sachin doese not get the same support from the tail?
 
Tendulkar has played some wonderful knocks with the tail enders too :/
 
Personally, I rarely believe in such comparison, and I hardly care whether MS Dhoni is better than Chris Martin even. He satisfies me as his fan who has been so since his first ever ODI hundred. The 91* he hit off 79 in the World Cup Final 2011 was the dreamest of dream innings a player can wish for from his favourite cricketer.

I do not rate him with any marks, numbers, points etc. Others have their own eye to see things and they have the right to express their opinion freely:). I am a huge admirer of his game:).

All I know is that he is a tough bloke, fighting cricketer and a champion leader.
 
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Dhoni one of the best finishers in ODIs, says Bevan
What is the secret of your success as a 'finisher' in ODIs?

I think for that you got to know when to take the risk and when to minimize it. You must have the ability to rotate the strike and play the shots as well. You've got to know how to absorb pressure in tight situations.

Indian skipper MS Dhoni has played some great knocks to take India home. How do you rate him in that role?

I think Dhoni always has a lot of scoring options. He knows how to rotate the strike and at the same time is capable of hitting the big shots. He is very strong and can hit the ball really hard. He is very flexible in his approach and can stay calm at pressure situations. This makes him one of the best finishers in ODIs.

You have coached Kings XI Punjab in the IPL and you are now looking after the Orissa side. What's your take on young Indian cricketers?

I have seen lot of talent in India. I feel with better understanding, practice and experience these youngsters will grow up to be good players.

Can you name the three best batsmen and bowlers with whom you have played?

Well if I can give you randomly, among batsmen it should be Sachin Tendulkar, Brian Lara and Adam Gilchrist and for bowlers, I'll pick Wasim Akram, Saqlain Mushtaq and Shaun Pollock.
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Straight from the horse's mouth.

Last Question might please a lot of Pakistani fans as well. :P
 
Woah Bevan picked Saqlain! That makes me so happy. Always have been saying how revolutionary he was in the limited overs format.
 
zhivago said:
Bevan had pulled Australia out of the deepest holes.

74/7 chasing 172 vs West Indies, SCG, 1995-96, 78*
82/6 and 143/7 chasing 245 vs NZ, MCG, 2001-02 102*
135/8 chasing 204 vs England, WC '03, 74*

Tell me when Dhoni has played similar innings?
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Does his 91* off 79 balls count for nothing in a world cup final, or his 183* whilst chasing 299? I have a long list which I update regularly which still remains a long one even if you wish to exclude five or six innings´ from it:).
 
strike rate matters at end of inning and afridi tops that list so Afridi is the best finisher officially.

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It's not difficult to imagine Dhoni matching any of Beavens innings , both super cool headed players ..but MS ha two extra gears to his batting which Beaven can never match .
 
zhivago said:
Bevan had pulled Australia out of the deepest holes.

74/7 chasing 172 vs West Indies, SCG, 1995-96, 78*
82/6 and 143/7 chasing 245 vs NZ, MCG, 2001-02 102*
135/8 chasing 204 vs England, WC '03, 74*

Tell me when Dhoni has played similar innings?
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Teams don't chase totals of 170, 294 and 245 anymore .. If they do , they don't get into trouble ..I hardly remember us failing to Chase such totals in recent years ....instead we get situations like 80/4 or 120/5 or 170/6 chasing near 300 totals ..I don't think Beavens one-dimensional game can win you games with required rate above 7 or 8 .
 
jusarrived said:
Teams don't chase totals of 170, 294 and 245 anymore .. If they do , they don't get into trouble ..I hardly remember us failing to Chase such totals in recent years ....instead we get situations like 80/4 or 120/5 or 170/6 chasing near 300 totals ..I don't think Beavens one-dimensional game can win you games with required rate above 7 or 8 .
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What? Teams don't chase those totals anymore? So everyone scores 300 plus scores nowadays?

That was not even the point. My point was that Bevan has played some amazing knocks when his team was in a hole. Even Bevan has played innings when the situation was 80/4 or 120/5. But I picked the ones in which defeat was a foregone conclusion.

I am not saying that Dhoni has not played innings like that. Just that I don't remember if he has. Would welcome if anyone could correct me.
 
DHONI183 said:
Does his 91* off 79 balls count for nothing in a world cup final, or his 183* whilst chasing 299? I have a long list which I update regularly which still remains a long one even if you wish to exclude five or six innings´ from it:).
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The WC innings was great, but he did not pull the team out of a hole. He came when India was 140 odd for 3 and run rate was not a problem. It was a great innings because it was a WC final, and for no other reason.

I want to know examples of Dhoni's innings where he has played innings like Bevan's that I mentioned. Mention some from your long list and I will thankfully update my opinion.

A forum is , after all, to share your opinions and update them when you are proven wrong.
 
zhivago said:
What? Teams don't chase those totals anymore? So everyone scores 300 plus scores nowadays?

That was not even the point. My point was that Bevan has played some amazing knocks when his team was in a hole. Even Bevan has played innings when the situation was 80/4 or 120/5. But I picked the ones in which defeat was a foregone conclusion.

I am not saying that Dhoni has not played innings like that. Just that I don't remember if he has. Would welcome if anyone could correct me.
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Even though Bevan played till 2003, he was from completely different era. ODI game has changed too fast and Bevan played during a time when 250 was still a winning total. These days 250 can be easily chased. Dhoni plays different to what Bevan did those days. Bevan was a ODI great and won many matches for his team in his own style and Dhoni is doing the same for India catering to the demands to ODI cricket at the moment.

He has engineered many ODI chases for India over the past few years and has also helped India set some good totals batting first when the team has been in trouble (Example todays game against India). Both players have their way of playing and have been successful for their respective teams. Lets leave it at that.
 
DHONI183 said:
Does his 91* off 79 balls count for nothing in a world cup final, or his 183* whilst chasing 299? I have a long list which I update regularly which still remains a long one even if you wish to exclude five or six innings´ from it:).
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Just have a look at todays innings, came in when India lost a flurry of wickets. Took his time, scored 22 off 42 before unleashing, but as usual people will find some excuses to downplay the knock
 
giri26 said:
Even though Bevan played till 2003, he was from completely different era. ODI game has changed too fast and Bevan played during a time when 250 was still a winning total. These days 250 can be easily chased. Dhoni plays different to what Bevan did those days. Bevan was a ODI great and won many matches for his team in his own style and Dhoni is doing the same for India catering to the demands to ODI cricket at the moment.

He has engineered many ODI chases for India over the past few years and has also helped India set some good totals batting first when the team has been in trouble (Example todays game against India). Both players have their way of playing and have been successful for their respective teams. Lets leave it at that.
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The totals are irrelevant here. All I wanted to know if he has pulled the team out of a hole when most of the batsmen were dismissed and a lot of run had still to be chases.

Yes Dhoni is a clever batsman who is good at chasing as well as setting a total. Not doubting his ability. But I don't remember any such innings of Dhoni unlike Bevan's. I think of Bevan and I remember those innings. I think of Dhoni, and I remember some good chases but none where a lot of run was needed with say, 3 batsmen left.
 
zhivago said:
A forum is , after all, to share your opinions and update them when you are proven wrong.
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First of all, I must appreciate you for your manners and for holding a graceful discussion:19:. Such an attitude is seen very rarely on forums and it is always heartening to see someone behave like this:).

I must also clarify that I do not at all wish to undermine Michael Bevan´s achievement or wish to prove MS Dhoni to be better than him for I believe that each and every player is good in his given role in the team. Comparison of players are mostly futile and also mostly end up with personal insults and attacks. I am rather just trying to make a strong case for MS Dhoni.

zhivago said:
The WC innings was great, but he did not pull the team out of a hole. He came when India was 140 odd for 3 and run rate was not a problem. It was a great innings because it was a WC final, and for no other reason.
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Mate, you have got that bit wrong I am sorry! He came in when India were 114 for three in 21.4 overs and the required run-rate was 5.71. If the "required run-rate was not a problem", then let me tell you that Michael Bevan would have got to 124 by facing all of the rest deliveries to be bowled! His team would have lost by 34 runs!

It is not considered special only since it came in a world cup final. It is rated so highly till date because he decided to bat ahead of Yuvraj Singh, the Man of the Tournament, despite being in terrible form himself. The target was 275 which has never been chased down in a world cup final (previous best 242) and was the second highest total chased in a knock-out match of a world cup (the record being 287. Correct me if I am wrong, please). The bowling attack he had to face was Lasith Malinga, the only bowler in the history of ODI cricket to have taken three hat-tricks and also the only bowler to take four wickets in four balls, along with Muttiah Muralitharan, the leading wicket taker of in ODIs
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zhivago said:
I want to know examples of Dhoni's innings where he has played innings like Bevan's that I mentioned. Mention some from your long list and I will thankfully update my opinion.
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Well, here goes my list.......

MS Dhoni´s innings´ after wickets had fallen and while batting in the middle or lower-order:

63* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/217979.html

45* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/223902.html

72* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/236809.html

77* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/236809.html

38 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/238189.html

51 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/249753.html

55 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/249212.html

48 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/267712.html

67* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/267715.html

139* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/289110.html (playing for Asia XI, though)

50 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/258477.html

88* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/cbs/engine/match/291360.html

50* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/cbs/engine/match/291366.html

68 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/asiacup/engine/current/match/335356.html

39 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/343733.html

76 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/343734.html

71 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/366341.html

95 http://www.cricinfo.com/wivind2009/engine/current/match/377314.html

46* http://www.cricinfo.com/wivind2009/engine/current/match/377315.html

35* http://www.cricinfo.com/compaq/engine/current/match/403382.html

124 http://www.cricinfo.com/indvaus2009/engine/match/416237.html

71* http://www.cricinfo.com/indvaus2009/engine/match/416238.html

101* http://www.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/engine/current/match/434260.html

91* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/282688.html (dreamest and best of them all)

69 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/474479.html

78* http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/engine/current/match/474480.html

87* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521218.html (Quite a tough wicket it was, too)

35* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521220.html

75* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521222.html

MS Dhoni´s innings´ after wickets around him had fallen but himself batting up the order (actually batting from first to fourth position):

183* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/223634.html

96 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/238193.html

I am mostly likely to be a touch bias towards MS Dhoni being his fan. I would appreciate errors being pointed out:).
 
Dhoni is an amazing ODI player, very consistent, scores in every situation, hes up there or even better than Bevan
 
DHONI183 said:
First of all, I must appreciate you for your manners and for holding a graceful discussion:19:. Such an attitude is seen very rarely on forums and it is always heartening to see someone behave like this:).

I must also clarify that I do not at all wish to undermine Michael Bevan´s achievement or wish to prove MS Dhoni to be better than him for I believe that each and every player is good in his given role in the team. Comparison of players are mostly futile and also mostly end up with personal insults and attacks. I am rather just trying to make a strong case for MS Dhoni.



Mate, you have got that bit wrong I am sorry! He came in when India were 114 for three in 21.4 overs and the required run-rate was 5.71. If the "required run-rate was not a problem", then let me tell you that Michael Bevan would have got to 124 by facing all of the rest deliveries to be bowled! His team would have lost by 34 runs!

It is not considered special only since it came in a world cup final. It is rated so highly till date because he decided to bat ahead of Yuvraj Singh, the Man of the Tournament, despite being in terrible form himself. The target was 275 which has never been chased down in a world cup final (previous best 242) and was the second highest total chased in a knock-out match of a world cup (the record being 287. Correct me if I am wrong, please). The bowling attack he had to face was Lasith Malinga, the only bowler in the history of ODI cricket to have taken three hat-tricks and also the only bowler to take four wickets in four balls, along with Muttiah Muralitharan, the leading wicket taker of in ODIs
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Well, here goes my list.......

MS Dhoni´s innings´ after wickets had fallen and while batting in the middle or lower-order:

63* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/217979.html

45* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/223902.html

72* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/236809.html

77* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/236809.html

38 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/238189.html

51 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/249753.html

55 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/249212.html

48 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/267712.html

67* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/267715.html

139* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/289110.html (playing for Asia XI, though)

50 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/258477.html

88* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/cbs/engine/match/291360.html

50* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/cbs/engine/match/291366.html

68 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/asiacup/engine/current/match/335356.html

39 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/343733.html

76 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/343734.html

71 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/366341.html

95 http://www.cricinfo.com/wivind2009/engine/current/match/377314.html

46* http://www.cricinfo.com/wivind2009/engine/current/match/377315.html

35* http://www.cricinfo.com/compaq/engine/current/match/403382.html

124 http://www.cricinfo.com/indvaus2009/engine/match/416237.html

71* http://www.cricinfo.com/indvaus2009/engine/match/416238.html

101* http://www.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/engine/current/match/434260.html

91* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/282688.html (dreamest and best of them all)

69 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/474479.html

78* http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/engine/current/match/474480.html

87* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521218.html (Quite a tough wicket it was, too)

35* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521220.html

75* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521222.html

MS Dhoni´s innings´ after wickets around him had fallen but himself batting up the order (actually batting from first to fourth position):

183* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/223634.html

96 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/238193.html

I am mostly likely to be a touch bias towards MS Dhoni being his fan. I would appreciate errors being pointed out:).
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OK. I was not aware of such good innings he has played. Thanks for changing my views regarding Dhoni. Though calling someone BEST is subjective, but not many will begrudge that title to Dhoni if he keeps on playing like this.

I am a little biased towards Bevan. I have seen some cricketers at airports standing right behind me. but I never bother to greet them. But once I saw Bevan, and saluted him. But he gave a cold stare. I like him so much that I wasn't embarrassed.
 
Peace be upon Zhivago,

zhivago said:
OK. I was not aware of such good innings he has played. Thanks for changing my views regarding Dhoni. Though calling someone BEST is subjective, but not many will begrudge that title to Dhoni if he keeps on playing like this.
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No, I don´t think that MS Dhoni is best in any regard whatsoever. He is effective, fighting and hard working, but there are many far ahead of him including his own team mates such as Sachin Tendulkar and (or maybe) Yuvraj Singh. On on top of all, if out of form, his technique and foot-work can go against him as we saw prior to the World Cup Final, 2011.

zhivago said:
I am a little biased towards Bevan. I have seen some cricketers at airports standing right behind me. but I never bother to greet them. But once I saw Bevan, and saluted him. But he gave a cold stare. I like him so much that I wasn't embarrassed.
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All acceptable as I can possibly be biased towards someone as well. Good to know that you have met Michael Bevan:).

It was my pleasure to have had a discussion with you. May you keep being so polite and honest:). Amen!

Good day:19:!
 
DHONI183 said:
Peace be upon Zhivago,



No, I don´t think that MS Dhoni is best in any regard whatsoever. He is effective, fighting and hard working, but there are many far ahead of him including his own team mates such as Sachin Tendulkar and (or maybe) Yuvraj Singh. On on top of all, if out of form, his technique and foot-work can go against him as we saw prior to the World Cup Final, 2011.



All acceptable as I can possibly be biased towards someone as well. Good to know that you have met Michael Bevan:).

It was my pleasure to have had a discussion with you. May you keep being so polite and honest:). Amen!

Good day:19:!
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Oh, don't underestimate me, I like trolling as well :) . When it comes to some sensitive matters or just to see Sachin fans getting angry. Otherwise, like to increase my knowledge and find flaws in my opinions.

You are the one who I have seen as always polite. That is a great strength to have, since it is so easy to act like a warrior on a forum. :19:
 
CORNERED-TIGER said:
Great batsman who loves asians pitches as his overall record shows he needs 2 make few 100s ouside asia... just for fun... but overall superb player under pressure...

5 odi 100s in india
1 in bangla
1 in pak

he is good... no question of that

beven/dhoni >>> hussey puzzy

we seem to forget bevan and hussey had awesome bowlers around them wich always help....coz most of times the total they had 2 chase have been not that many... and great batsman around aswel.. and a teams wich never seem to lose.... dhoni made india ... a hard team.. 2 beat... wel ganguly did that but its dhoni... who made what india is today...

dhoni never had one may be zaheer but he wont scare any one.. with pace.....

my fav indian player by country mile... and he married a girl from his area for that i respect him alot.. :P
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:heart:

PS:-
hey, who are you, how did you manage to get access to CTs laptop?? :D
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Obvious troll is obvious.

Do you have anything to back up your comment?
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Let me remind you of a quote, you may recognise this:

freelance_cricketer said:
He prefereed to chicken out of the SF even at the cost of his farewell :akhtar
Some guts :14:
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CLICK HERE

I will use your words to prove the levels of hypocrisy you practise, wait for this - "Obvious troll is obvious. Do you have anything to back up your comment?"

This is the reason why no one takes you serious anymore, you trip up on your own words, or better put, “Mirror Mirror on the wall . . . “

:19:
 
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Great list Dhoni183, amazing work done by you! :14:

@OP: For me Bevan has been the best finisher. Dhoni is very close atm.
 
Dhoni probably has another 100+ odis left in him. Judge him at the end of his career, not now.
 
Yes and Sachin is better than Bradman.

We all say how good Dhoni was outside his comfort zone in India
 
asifp said:
We all say how good Dhoni was outside his comfort zone in India
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Generally good outside his comfort zone?

Code: 
	         	Span 	Mat 	Inns 	NO 	Runs 	HS 	Ave 	BF 	SR 	100 	50 	0 	4s 	6s
in Australia 	2008-2008 	6 	6 	2 	178 	37 	44.50 	280 	63.57 	0 	0 	0 	11 	1
in Bangladesh 	2004-2011 	9 	7 	3 	279 	101* 	69.75 	316 	88.29 	1 	1 	1 	25 	1
in England 	2007-2011 	12 	12 	2 	411 	78* 	41.10 	483 	85.09 	0 	4 	0 	34 	6
in New Zealand 	2009-2009 	5 	4 	2 	184 	84* 	92.00 	187 	98.39 	0 	2 	0 	14 	2
in Pakistan 	2006-2008 	7 	6 	4 	321 	77* 	160.50 	286 	112.23 	0 	4 	0 	34 	6
in Scotland 	2007-2007 	1 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	- 	-
in S. Africa 	2006-2011 	9 	9 	0 	214 	55 	23.77 	271 	78.96 	0 	1 	0 	16 	7
in Sri Lanka 	2005-2010 	21 	20 	3 	731 	94 	43.00 	930 	78.60 	0 	7 	0 	47 	6
in West Indies 	2006-2009 	9 	8 	2 	277 	95 	46.16 	331 	83.68 	0 	1 	0 	21 	5
in Zimbabwe 	2005-2005 	2 	2 	1 	123 	67* 	123.00 	109 	112.84 	0 	2 	0 	3 	7
 
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Brilliant playa. Definitely he is up there with bevan. His 91 in the wc final was a top innings. Such a force in ODIs.
 
praveen said:
Michael Bevan was head and shoulders above anyone in his era where 300 was some total. His greatest strength was his ability to find those pressure releasing boundaries out of nowhere. And he was a brilliant runner between the wickets too. Not to forget , one of the most gifted fielders.

Dhoni has all those traits too and its a great thing he is being compared to Bevan in the first place. He is almost right up there with Bevan,just need another small notch.
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I Agree with this post and it seems quite ludicrous for us to compare the 2 even though dhoni has the extra burden of captaining his team and wicket keeping as well.nevertheless dhoni is an asset who can walk into any sqaud with his hardworking,sincere work ethic
 
DHONI183 said:
First of all, I must appreciate you for your manners and for holding a graceful discussion:19:. Such an attitude is seen very rarely on forums and it is always heartening to see someone behave like this:).

I must also clarify that I do not at all wish to undermine Michael Bevan´s achievement or wish to prove MS Dhoni to be better than him for I believe that each and every player is good in his given role in the team. Comparison of players are mostly futile and also mostly end up with personal insults and attacks. I am rather just trying to make a strong case for MS Dhoni.



Mate, you have got that bit wrong I am sorry! He came in when India were 114 for three in 21.4 overs and the required run-rate was 5.71. If the "required run-rate was not a problem", then let me tell you that Michael Bevan would have got to 124 by facing all of the rest deliveries to be bowled! His team would have lost by 34 runs!

It is not considered special only since it came in a world cup final. It is rated so highly till date because he decided to bat ahead of Yuvraj Singh, the Man of the Tournament, despite being in terrible form himself. The target was 275 which has never been chased down in a world cup final (previous best 242) and was the second highest total chased in a knock-out match of a world cup (the record being 287. Correct me if I am wrong, please). The bowling attack he had to face was Lasith Malinga, the only bowler in the history of ODI cricket to have taken three hat-tricks and also the only bowler to take four wickets in four balls, along with Muttiah Muralitharan, the leading wicket taker of in ODIs
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Well, here goes my list.......

MS Dhoni´s innings´ after wickets had fallen and while batting in the middle or lower-order:

63* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/217979.html

45* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/223902.html

72* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/236809.html

77* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/236809.html

38 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/238189.html

51 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/249753.html

55 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/249212.html

48 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/267712.html

67* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/267715.html

139* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/289110.html (playing for Asia XI, though)

50 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/258477.html

88* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/cbs/engine/match/291360.html

50* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/cbs/engine/match/291366.html

68 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/asiacup/engine/current/match/335356.html

39 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/343733.html

76 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/343734.html

71 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/slvind/engine/match/366341.html

95 http://www.cricinfo.com/wivind2009/engine/current/match/377314.html

46* http://www.cricinfo.com/wivind2009/engine/current/match/377315.html

35* http://www.cricinfo.com/compaq/engine/current/match/403382.html

124 http://www.cricinfo.com/indvaus2009/engine/match/416237.html

71* http://www.cricinfo.com/indvaus2009/engine/match/416238.html

101* http://www.cricinfo.com/tri-bdesh2010/engine/current/match/434260.html

91* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/282688.html (dreamest and best of them all)

69 http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/474479.html

78* http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/engine/current/match/474480.html

87* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521218.html (Quite a tough wicket it was, too)

35* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521220.html

75* http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2011/engine/match/521222.html

MS Dhoni´s innings´ after wickets around him had fallen but himself batting up the order (actually batting from first to fourth position):

183* http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/223634.html

96 http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/238193.html

I am mostly likely to be a touch bias towards MS Dhoni being his fan. I would appreciate errors being pointed out:).
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Eye opening stats and guess i was wrong as he is the best finisher plus our captain as well...
 
That last over 6 today was stunning.

Back foot, laced over the bowler's head and into the crowd.

Remains cool and finishes in style.
 
Certainly up there with Bevan in terms of finishing off ODIs. Still don't like him though :akhtar
 
A brilliant innings again. Thoroughbred match winner if ever there was one!

:msd
 
Had that six didn't happen, people would have hanged dhoni for his slow strike rate....

He saved the kid but after throwing him infront of the car.... I am not sure he should be praised.
 
Highest batting avg in successful chases (Min.25 inns): Dhoni (104.89), M Clarke (89.20),Bevan (86.25) & M Hussey (83.87)
 
Remained cool till the end However what a poor last over from mckay!!
 
Statsman said:
Great list Dhoni183, amazing work done by you! :14:

@OP: For me Bevan has been the best finisher. Dhoni is very close atm.
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mystical man said:
Eye opening stats and guess i was wrong as he is the best finisher plus our captain as well...
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I guess it´s time to update my list, eh;-)?!

He never looked for the big hits but his innings was exactly what his team needed. They were just maybe one hit away and he exactly did what perhaps the situation demanded.
 
Itachi said:
Had that six didn't happen, people would have hanged dhoni for his slow strike rate....

He saved the kid but after throwing him infront of the car.... I am not sure he should be praised.
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he was ill.so couldnt rotate the strike.it was important he stayed coz Jaddu n Ashwin cant score anything above 6 RPO
 
Xoib said:
the thoroughbred match winner is on an 8 test loosing streak
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Learn to give credit where due, for your own sake. Your not acknowledging the truth won't hurt Dhoni (he doesn't even know you exist); only yourself. :)
 
Good stuff!

His explanation in the post-match ceremony made sense as well. That australia were bowling well when India were "seemingly" not in trouble. And that he wanted to take it right to the end when the bowlers' nerves would get the better of them and they would sling down a few loose ones.
 
Highest batting avg in successful chases (Min.25 inns): Dhoni (104.89), M Clarke (89.20),Bevan (86.25) & M Hussey (83.87) -- Cricinfo
 
^ Somehow the presenter absolutely missed asking that question to Dhoni.

But brilliantly done.
Not 100% fit and he delivered. The six was incredible.
 
He has this habit of getting his gambles paid off. At least in ODIs. His positive thinking makes him a standout player.
Though with 3 wickets in hand - 70 needed in 12 overs I'll trust bevan.
But 70 needed in 9 overs with 5 wickets in hand , you'll have to go for Dhoni.
 
kungfu90 said:
He has this habit of getting his gambles paid off. At least in ODIs. His positive thinking makes him a standout player.
Though with 3 wickets in hand - 70 needed in 12 overs I'll trust bevan.
But 70 needed in 9 overs with 5 wickets in hand , you'll have to go for Dhoni.
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yeah Bevan was fantastic batting with the tail.Dhoni not quite
 
I haven't seen much of Bevan so wont comment on him, but in world cricket today Dhoni is the best finisher, there is no doubt about that. Before him I would say Abdul Razzaq was the best fnisher.

These are of course my opinions :)
 
IAJ said:
I haven't seen much of Bevan so wont comment on him, but in world cricket today Dhoni is the best finisher, there is no doubt about that. Before him I would say Abdul Razzaq was the best fnisher.

These are of course my opinions :)
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Razzaq was a best finisher from Subcontinent before MSD era, what a lovely hunderd he made against South African attack ,when I was 99% sure that Pakistan will loose the game . He was a great asset for Pakistan in his prime days
 
Navdeep Srivastava said:
Razzaq was a best finisher from Subcontinent before MSD era, what a lovely hunderd he made against South African attack ,when I was 99% sure that Pakistan will loose the game . He was a great asset for Pakistan in his prime days
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Razzak was too inconsistent to get the tag of great finisher.
 
Saurav said:
yeah Bevan was fantastic batting with the tail.Dhoni not quite
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That is because Bevan was a fantastic rotator of strike, right from the moment at the crease, and would convert the ones into twos and retain the strike. Dhoni relies on big hitting and a final flourish instead.

Bevan had an incredible SR for the period he played, and as good as Dhoni's 90 SR. Clarke is of course a test batsman primarily though he can be dangerous in ODIs where the scores are between 230-250.
 
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