Mukti Bahini: Terrorists or freedom fighters?

[KingKhanWC]

The Mukti Bahini, which Bengali means freedom fighters, is the popular Bengali term which refers to the guerrilla resistance movement formed by the Bangladeshi military, paramilitary and civilians during the country’s War of Liberation in 1971

Some of the details of atrocities committed by Mukti Bahini terrorists against innocent civilians and Pakistanis include looting, plunder, rape and slaughter of non Bengalis.

2000 plus innocent people including women and children at Kurigram and Lalmonirhat.

500 women from Jessore and had them massacred after they were raped under his direct supervision

https://pakobserver.net/mukti-bahini-terrorists-or-freedom-fighters/

Mukti Bahini rebels engaged in widespread rape and other human rights abuses.[46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Bangladesh_Liberation_War#CITEREFRahman2007

The Mukti Bahini killed anywhere from 100,000 Biharis (according to the ‘Chronology for Biharis in Bangladesh’) to 150,000 Biharis (according to the ‘Encyclopedia of Violence, Peace and Conflict; page 64). Qutubuddin Aziz, in ‘Blood and Tears’, has documented 170 eye-witness accounts of the ‘atrocities committed on Biharis and other non-Bengalis’ across 55 towns, covering ‘110 places where the slaughter of the innocents took place’.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/105117-Mukti-Bahini-the-forgotten-terrorists


Clearly terrorists and low life traitors.

Sure Pak forces committed war crimes but they are condemned by almost all Pakistani's but why are Bangladeshis in denial when it comes to crimes committed by their so called heros?

 

[Major]

lol when do Pakistani's condemn the war crimes?

last time i knew they were brushed under the carpet.

 

[Major]

remember one thing, whatever mukhti bahini did will always be overshadowed because of Pakistan Army, as the official army of a nation was involved in mass rape and genocide.

 

[Traveller55]

The Mukti Bahini, which Bengali means freedom fighters, is the popular Bengali term which refers to the guerrilla resistance movement formed by the Bangladeshi military, paramilitary and civilians during the country’s War of Liberation in 1971

Some of the details of atrocities committed by Mukti Bahini terrorists against innocent civilians and Pakistanis include looting, plunder, rape and slaughter of non Bengalis.

2000 plus innocent people including women and children at Kurigram and Lalmonirhat.

500 women from Jessore and had them massacred after they were raped under his direct supervision

Under who's direct supervision ? Mukti bahini is not a person.....

https://pakobserver.net/mukti-bahini-terrorists-or-freedom-fighters/

Dismissed as non-neutral source. When discussing facts, kindly come up with a neutral source. I am not quoting Bangladeshi mouthpieces for the claims against Pakistan, so Pakistani websites are inadmissible.

Mukti Bahini rebels engaged in widespread rape and other human rights abuses.[46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Bangladesh_Liberation_War#CITEREFRahman2007

Again, the link is of Hamodour Rehman, a Pakistani government source. Again inadmissible as a biassed source.
Give us third party neutral sources.

The Mukti Bahini killed anywhere from 100,000 Biharis (according to the ‘Chronology for Biharis in Bangladesh’) to 150,000 Biharis (according to the ‘Encyclopedia of Violence, Peace and Conflict; page 64). Qutubuddin Aziz, in ‘Blood and Tears’, has documented 170 eye-witness accounts of the ‘atrocities committed on Biharis and other non-Bengalis’ across 55 towns, covering ‘110 places where the slaughter of the innocents took place’.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/105117-Mukti-Bahini-the-forgotten-terrorists

Again, just Pakistani propaganda. Show us third party neutral sources.

Clearly terrorists and low life traitors.

Sure Pak forces committed war crimes but they are condemned by almost all Pakistani's but why are Bangladeshis in denial when it comes to crimes committed by their so called heros?

They are not condemned by all of Pakistan, which is why Pakistan has never bothered to offer an official apology.

 

[KingKhanWC]

^
All lies?

How many did groups opposing Pakistan forces kill and rape? Mukti Bahini or any other groups?

 

[Saeed]

Freedom fighters, Pakistani forces were the actual terrorists.

 

[KingKhanWC]

remember one thing, whatever mukhti bahini did will always be overshadowed because of Pakistan Army, as the official army of a nation was involved in mass rape and genocide.

The thread is to discuss whether they were terrorists or freedom fighters. Why their crimes are hidden and why Bangladeshi's never accept they did those crimes? Pakistans role has been discussed in detail many times before here. If this has, please show me the thread.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Freedom fighters, Pakistani forces were the actual terrorists.

Freedom fighters rape women? Kill children? I hope you never are forced to fight for freedom.

 

[Traveller55]

^
All lies?

How many did groups opposing Pakistan forces kill and rape? Mukti Bahini or any other groups?

I am neither confirming, nor denying them to be lies. I am simply saying the evidence you are presenting, is inadmissible. They are ALL from Pakistani sources/sites that run Pakistani stuff. Show us sources from third party neutral sources.

If what you are alleging is true, then it should not be hard for you to find third party neutral sources. I can easily present non-Indian/Bangladeshi/Pakistani sources on the genocide committed on my people by Pakistani military and government sympathizers. Kindly do the same.

Simple rule of thumb of presenting evidence, is to use a neutral source. A country that comitted genocide on a section of its people and then got ripped into two, is not the neutral source on said event.

Or else, show the same consistency and accept Indian sites/sources on Kashmir as admissible evidence on Kashmir.

 

[Traveller55]

And yes, if the said claims exist ONLY on websites run by Pakistan or deeply involved in Pakistan and no third-party website or source carries it, then it is nothing more than Pakistani propaganda to try and present a 'we were all wrong and all evil, no good guys-bad guys in that war' narrative.

If they are true, then third party sources will have documented them.

 

[Saeed]

Freedom fighters rape women? Kill children?

This is why we shouldn’t use black and white western terminology and apply it to eastern conflicts. Freedom fighters can commit war crimes too. Pakistani forces didn’t do that? Weren’t they suppose to act better than freedom fighters?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am neither confirming, nor denying them to be lies. I am simply saying the evidence you are presenting, is inadmissible. They are ALL from Pakistani sources/sites that run Pakistani stuff. Show us sources from third party neutral sources.

If what you are alleging is true, then it should not be hard for you to find third party neutral sources. I can easily present non-Indian/Bangladeshi/Pakistani sources on the genocide committed on my people by Pakistani military and government sympathizers. Kindly do the same.

Simple rule of thumb of presenting evidence, is to use a neutral source. A country that comitted genocide on a section of its people and then got ripped into two, is not the neutral source on said event.

Or else, show the same consistency and accept Indian sites/sources on Kashmir as admissible evidence on Kashmir.

Open your eyes, the links have references which are not Pakistani. lol

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is why we shouldn’t use black and white western terminology and apply it to eastern conflicts. Freedom fighters can commit war crimes too. Pakistani forces didn’t do that? Weren’t they suppose to act better than freedom fighters?

So it was justified? Are you Bangladeshi?

 

[Traveller55]

Open your eyes, the links have references which are not Pakistani. lol

ALL the website quoted are Pakistani websites or Pakistani friendly website. The only citing from Wikipedia is Hamodour Rehman probe, which was a Pakistani government probe.

None of it qualifies as third party evidence that you've presented.

Find us third party evidence or do you need a lesson what third party evidence looks like ?

 

[KingKhanWC]

ALL the website quoted are Pakistani websites or Pakistani friendly website. The only citing from Wikipedia is Hamodour Rehman probe, which was a Pakistani government probe.

None of it qualifies as third party evidence that you've presented.

Find us third party evidence or do you need a lesson what third party evidence looks like ?

‘Encyclopedia of Violence, Peace and Conflict; page 64) ?

Why cant Pakistani sources be correct? Is truth measured only by those who eat fish?

 

[Traveller55]

here is a lesson in citation for you KingKhanWC (since you are clearly not an university graduate, or else you would not be requiring said lesson):

Topic: Bangladesh Genocide.
Source : https://cas.uab.edu/humanrights/2017/04/21/bangladesh-forgotten-genocide/


Website : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)
Author : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)
Citations of author : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)


Website : third party neutral
Author: Third party neutral
Citations of author : third party neutral.


I hope you can follow this template to validate your claims. Else you are doing nothing more than spreading Pakistani establishment propaganda by quoting a Pakistani website (.pk ending), a Pakistani sympathetic website (Pakobserver.net) or quoting a Pakistani government official (Hamodour Rehman probe).

Hope this lesson in citation is sufficient for you to move the discussion forward.

 

[Traveller55]

‘Encyclopedia of Violence, Peace and Conflict; page 64) ?

Why cant Pakistani sources be correct? Is truth measured only by those who eat fish?

That citation is from a source that is biassed, aka .pk ending.

Truth is measured by what people with no vested interests claim. Ie, neutral third party. I have already provided you with a template to what consititutes unbiassed truth. The site i quoted, the author in the site, the author's citations- they are ALL FOREIGN. Ie, no vested interests akin to Pakistanis/Bangladeshis or Indians commenting on a situation that involves them.

Kindly follow said template if you wish a serious discussion.

 

[Saeed]

So it was justified? Are you Bangladeshi?

No its not but they were still fighting to free their country from Pakistan, who turned on its own people and committed the same crimes Mukti bani did but at larger scale. Pakistani but I don’t how it’s relevant. Why is it so hard for you to accept Pakistan was wrong in Bangladesh?

 

[KingKhanWC]

here is a lesson in citation for you KingKhanWC (since you are clearly not an university graduate, or else you would not be requiring said lesson):

Topic: Bangladesh Genocide.
Source : https://cas.uab.edu/humanrights/2017/04/21/bangladesh-forgotten-genocide/


Website : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)
Author : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)
Citations of author : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)


Website : third party neutral
Author: Third party neutral
Citations of author : third party neutral.


I hope you can follow this template to validate your claims. Else you are doing nothing more than spreading Pakistani establishment propaganda by quoting a Pakistani website (.pk ending), a Pakistani sympathetic website (Pakobserver.net) or quoting a Pakistani government official (Hamodour Rehman probe).

Hope this lesson in citation is sufficient for you to move the discussion forward.

Where are the details of the crimes committed by Mukti brigade?

 

[KingKhanWC]

No its not but they were still fighting to free their country from Pakistan, who turned on its own people and committed the same crimes Mukti bani did but at larger scale. Pakistani but I don’t how it’s relevant. Why is it so hard for you to accept Pakistan was wrong in Bangladesh?

Read the opening post

"Sure Pak forces committed war crimes but they are condemned by almost all Pakistani's"

Again the thread is to discuss the crimes committed by the so called freedom fighters, care to comment or you just want to divert? Any idea on numbers killed by the freedom fighters?

So its wrong but because they were fighting to free 'their ' country it's no big deal to rape a few women and butcher a few kids. Nice one bro.

 

[Traveller55]

Where are the details of the crimes committed by Mukti brigade?

Not covered by this website.

I didn't say this website was definitively exhaustive in its coverage. I gave you an example of what neutral source looks like. So present us your claims from a neutral website, because i have zero time for Pakistani propaganda websites and propaganda commissions.

And since a neutral website like this has said NOTHING about your allegations against the Mukti Bahini, until i see a neutral source stating what you are claiming, i am inclined to dismiss it as Pakistani propaganda.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not covered by this website.

I didn't say this website was definitively exhaustive in its coverage. I gave you an example of what neutral source looks like. So present us your claims from a neutral website, because i have zero time for Pakistani propaganda websites and propaganda commissions.

Waste of time posting it then lol.

The thread title is regarding them yet you post a link which doesn't mention them. Ok buddy, great post.

 

[Traveller55]

Waste of time posting it then lol.

The thread title is regarding them yet you post a link which doesn't mention them. Ok buddy, great post.

Kindly learn to read.

"I didn't say this website was definitively exhaustive in its coverage. I gave you an example of what neutral source looks like. So present us your claims from a neutral website, because i have zero time for Pakistani propaganda websites and propaganda commissions. "


"here is a lesson in citation for you KingKhanWC (since you are clearly not an university graduate, or else you would not be requiring said lesson):

Topic: Bangladesh Genocide.
Source : https://cas.uab.edu/humanrights/2017...tten-genocide/


Website : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)
Author : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)
Citations of author : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)


Website : third party neutral
Author: Third party neutral
Citations of author : third party neutral.


I hope you can follow this template to validate your claims. Else you are doing nothing more than spreading Pakistani establishment propaganda by quoting a Pakistani website (.pk ending), a Pakistani sympathetic website (Pakobserver.net) or quoting a Pakistani government official (Hamodour Rehman probe).

Hope this lesson in citation is sufficient for you to move the discussion forward.
"

So far you have not presented a single neutral site or evidence. Just Pakistani spin on things.

 

[Saeed]

"Sure Pak forces committed war crimes but they are condemned by almost all Pakistani's"

Again the thread is to discuss the crimes committed by the so called freedom fighters, care to comment or you just want to divert? Any idea on numbers killed by the freedom fighters?

So its wrong but because they were fighting to free 'their ' country it's no big deal to rape a few women and butcher a few kids. Nice one bro.

Where is the source for this claim? It seems you don’t because you want to smear them all as terrorist traitors.

Sure Pak forces committed war crimes but they are condemned by almost all Pakistani's"

Check the wiki link in OP, the numbers are there. I already said they were freedom fighters but yes they committed war crimes. Was it justifiable? No. Should the people responsible for war crimes be held responsible and punished? Yes. But Bangladesh and Pakistan both ignored their war criminals instead of bringing them to justice.

 

[CricketCartoons]

These are not mutually exclusive.

Terrorism is a method. Freedom is the aim.

There can be no equivalence between the killings done by the oppressors and those fighting it.

Personally prefer the terrorists who combat only the state and spare the civilians.

 

[Pakistanian]

These aren't mutually exclusive terms. It's really all subjective, from a neutral point of view they're both. In a war pretty much everyone has blood on their hands albeit one party may have the advantage.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] I will just say you have no idea what you're talking about. I know people (on a person relative basis) that went through those atrocities in 1971. THE PAKISTAN ARMY committed Mass genocide and rape in 1971 and THAT IS A FACT!

Please educate yourself on these issues and come out of the Zaid Hamid/ Fauji Propaganda

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] I will just say you have no idea what you're talking about. I know people (on a person relative basis) that went through those atrocities in 1971. THE PAKISTAN ARMY committed Mass genocide and rape in 1971 and THAT IS A FACT!

Please educate yourself on these issues and come out of the Zaid Hamid/ Fauji Propaganda

It's not propaganda, just because the Pakistani army was guilty of atrocities, doesn't mean the Bangladeshi renegades were angels either. You should also educate yourself, there are two sides to every story.

 

[Snak3eye5]

It's not propaganda, just because the Pakistani army was guilty of atrocities, doesn't mean the Bangladeshi renegades were angels either. You should also educate yourself, there are two sides to every story.

Yes the other side of the story is while the Bangladeshi freedom fighters were trying to fight for their country, getting India to help, the Pakistani soldiers were raping and killing. You assume that the Bangladeshis freedom fighters did the same while no eveidence suggests something like this happened and if it did, did not happen in mass numbers.

You have to swallow the bitter pill and except that at every point in history, Pakistan has put its wrong foot forward and like a movie has allways played the villain or the bad guy to be blunt. It’s not a criticism as a whole but it stems from having bad leaders who have allways had a selfish mindset. They say people/government rally around a leader. People see that and emulate the same. Hopefully with Imran Khan in power it will be the dawn of a new age.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes the other side of the story is while the Bangladeshi freedom fighters were trying to fight for their country, getting India to help, the Pakistani soldiers were raping and killing. You assume that the Bangladeshis freedom fighters did the same while no eveidence suggests something like this happened and if it did, did not happen in mass numbers.

You have to swallow the bitter pill and except that at every point in history, Pakistan has put its wrong foot forward and like a movie has allways played the villain or the bad guy to be blunt. It’s not a criticism as a whole but it stems from having bad leaders who have allways had a selfish mindset. They say people/government rally around a leader. People see that and emulate the same. Hopefully with Imran Khan in power it will be the dawn of a new age.

Not really interested in an Indian viewpoint ( or whatever you are) like I said, there are two sides to every story. I have always accepted Pakistan's army committed atrocities, but there is also plenty of evidence that Mukti Bahini did the same on those Bangladeshis who remained loyal to Pakistan. Painting pictures where one side is good and the other is evil is for children and propaganda bots.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Not really interested in an Indian viewpoint ( or whatever you are) like I said, there are two sides to every story. I have always accepted Pakistan's army committed atrocities, but there is also plenty of evidence that Mukti Bahini did the same on those Bangladeshis who remained loyal to Pakistan. Painting pictures where one side is good and the other is evil is for children and propaganda bots.

Please cite a source before throwing conspiracy theories that Mukti Bahini committee the same attrocities that’s not Wikipedia and I won’t challenge that.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Please cite a source before throwing conspiracy theories that Mukti Bahini committee the same attrocities that’s not Wikipedia and I won’t challenge that.

Members of mukti bahini did kill urdu speaking biharis.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Please cite a source before throwing conspiracy theories that Mukti Bahini committee the same attrocities that’s not Wikipedia and I won’t challenge that.

You can challenge it or not challenge, I already told you I'm not interested in your views. Usually the only people who arm themselves with boatloads of carefully indexed 'evidence' are pushing a prior agenda anyway.

 

[Traveller55]

Not really interested in an Indian viewpoint ( or whatever you are) like I said, there are two sides to every story. I have always accepted Pakistan's army committed atrocities, but there is also plenty of evidence that Mukti Bahini did the same on those Bangladeshis who remained loyal to Pakistan. Painting pictures where one side is good and the other is evil is for children and propaganda bots.

Ok so give us your 'plenty of evidence' that is not from a Pakistani source. That is all we ask- objective, neutral evidence, not propaganda.

 

[Traveller55]

You can challenge it or not challenge, I already told you I'm not interested in your views. Usually the only people who arm themselves with boatloads of carefully indexed 'evidence' are pushing a prior agenda anyway.

Or they are the people who have the ability to differentiate evidence from propaganda and have formed an informed opinion. Strange that having evidence is a 'bad thing' now....but I suppose that's how brainwashing works.

 

[ahsan17]

They were India's "good terrorists" (since they like to use that term so much)..

 

[troodon]

Mukti = Freedom

Vahini = Something that flows like a river. Not fighters as mentioned in OP.

Who are freedom fighters and who are Terrorists is hard to tell.

If people are acting under the instructions of foreign powers, then they should be considered as Terrorists. If it is an indigenous struggle for independence, then they are freedom fighters.

 

[Traveller55]

^
In Bengali, 'bahini' is the word used for military, along with the word 'sena'.
you could be correct, it may come from 'flowing' but its used in the context of military/military forces the most often.

 

[troodon]

^
In Bengali, 'bahini' is the word used for military, along with the word 'sena'.
you could be correct, it may come from 'flowing' but its used in the context of military/military forces the most often.

I am just going by the meaning of Vahini in Sanskrit. Vahini is a female name in Hindus. It means something that flows. Mostly means river. Even in telugu Vahini means river flow.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I am just going by the meaning of Vahini in Sanskrit. Vahini is a female name in Hindus. It means something that flows. Mostly means river. Even in telugu Vahini means river flow.

Can you show the reference for the sanskrit meaning?

 

[troodon]

Can you show the reference for the sanskrit meaning?

I studied Sanksrit for 2 years. I have encountered this word a few times.
The word Vahini is usually used to represent something that comes in a movement, a flow like a river. It can be used to represent people Army with a formation. In Telugu also, it means the same. I do not have those Textbooks with me. Its been almost 20 yrs. I am old

 

[troodon]

[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION], I see you are a Bangladeshi, but you live in India. Are you an Indian citizen now?

 

[CricketCartoons]

[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION], I see you are a Bangladeshi, but you live in India. Are you an Indian citizen now?

I am an Indian with some bengali roots. People mistake me for a bangladeshi because I hate many things indian.

 

[troodon]

I am an Indian with some bengali roots. People mistake me for a bangladeshi because I hate many things indian.

So you are not a Bangladeshi? Then why the BD flag?

Some Bengali Roots? So you are not even full blooded Bengali? Were you born in India or BD?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Kindly learn to read.

"I didn't say this website was definitively exhaustive in its coverage. I gave you an example of what neutral source looks like. So present us your claims from a neutral website, because i have zero time for Pakistani propaganda websites and propaganda commissions. "


"here is a lesson in citation for you KingKhanWC (since you are clearly not an university graduate, or else you would not be requiring said lesson):

Topic: Bangladesh Genocide.
Source : https://cas.uab.edu/humanrights/2017...tten-genocide/


Website : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)
Author : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)
Citations of author : Non-(Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi)


Website : third party neutral
Author: Third party neutral
Citations of author : third party neutral.


I hope you can follow this template to validate your claims. Else you are doing nothing more than spreading Pakistani establishment propaganda by quoting a Pakistani website (.pk ending), a Pakistani sympathetic website (Pakobserver.net) or quoting a Pakistani government official (Hamodour Rehman probe).

Hope this lesson in citation is sufficient for you to move the discussion forward.
"

So far you have not presented a single neutral site or evidence. Just Pakistani spin on things.

If you dont accept the numbers in the OP, this is your problem not mine. Since you have not given any other references and failed provide any other statistics of their crimes, I will accept those numbers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] I will just say you have no idea what you're talking about. I know people (on a person relative basis) that went through those atrocities in 1971. THE PAKISTAN ARMY committed Mass genocide and rape in 1971 and THAT IS A FACT!

Please educate yourself on these issues and come out of the Zaid Hamid/ Fauji Propaganda

Put your emotions in your back pocket. I dont care who you know, it has no interest to me.

The thread is regarding the Bangladeshi terrorists. Do you know the estimated number of their killings or rape? If not dont bother posting .

 

[Traveller55]

If you dont accept the numbers in the OP, this is your problem not mine. Since you have not given any other references and failed provide any other statistics of their crimes, I will accept those numbers.

I asked for neutral sources.
I gave you an example of what neutral sources are.

Since you failed to produce neutral sources and ONLY produced Pakistani sources, your position is dismissed as Pakistani propaganda.

I am yet to see a neutral source call the Mukti Bahini as terrorists. So your position is dismissed yet again, as nothing more than Pakistani propaganda.

Neutral sources to back up your claim or you have no claim. Simple.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I asked for neutral sources.
I gave you an example of what neutral sources are.

Since you failed to produce neutral sources and ONLY produced Pakistani sources, your position is dismissed as Pakistani propaganda.

I am yet to see a neutral source call the Mukti Bahini as terrorists. So your position is dismissed yet again, as nothing more than Pakistani propaganda.

Neutral sources to back up your claim or you have no claim. Simple.

I made a thread with sources which give figures. I accept them, if you dont it really doesn't bother me.

I suggest you stop repeating yourself and get ready to watch Pakistan - India U19 Semi final, the only two giants of Asian cricket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Put your emotions in your back pocket. I dont care who you know, it has no interest to me.

The thread is regarding the Bangladeshi terrorists. Do you know the estimated number of their killings or rape? If not dont bother posting .

Bangladeshi terrorists? Can you tell me who declared them terrorists?

UN? EU? US?China? Or your own country UK?

Any non Pakistani neutral source regardin their terror activities?

 

[Traveller55]

I made a thread with sources which give figures. I accept them, if you dont it really doesn't bother me.

I suggest you stop repeating yourself and get ready to watch Pakistan - India U19 Semi final, the only two giants of Asian cricket.

Ofcourse you will accept biassed Pakistani sources.

It doesn't bother me that you are making fake claims based on Pakistani biassed propaganda.
Because if your claims were true- like the Pakistani genocide of bangladeshi civillians- it would be present in neutral sources.

 

[sjahmed23]

Considering the horrid stories I've heard from relatives who were in Bangladesh at that time I would call them terrorists. They slaugthered every non bangali muslim mercilessly. I know 2 family members who escaped while their entire house was set on fire and their entire family was killed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Or they are the people who have the ability to differentiate evidence from propaganda and have formed an informed opinion. Strange that having evidence is a 'bad thing' now....but I suppose that's how brainwashing works.

What 'evidence' have you provided that the Mukhti Bahini didn't commit atrocities in Bangladesh? All I am hearing from you is one sided propaganda.

 

[Traveller55]

What 'evidence' have you provided that the Mukhti Bahini didn't commit atrocities in Bangladesh? All I am hearing from you is one sided propaganda.

You cannot provide evidence of something that did not happen. Not how it works. If you make an allegation, it has to be proven. Not someone else has to disprove your allegation.
Propaganda is coming from the Pakistanis here. Otherwise we'd have seen evidence of this Mukti Bahini atrocities from non-Pakistani sources, like I've already provided in case of Pakistani atrocities.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You cannot provide evidence of something that did not happen. Not how it works. If you make an allegation, it has to be proven. Not someone else has to disprove your allegation.
Propaganda is coming from the Pakistanis here. Otherwise we'd have seen evidence of this Mukti Bahini atrocities from non-Pakistani sources, like I've already provided in case of Pakistani atrocities.

Your 'evidence' comes from non-Pakistani sources which I don't accept. So you don't accept Pakistani sources, and I don't accept non-Pakistani sources. We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Traveller55]

Your 'evidence' comes from non-Pakistani sources which I don't accept. So you don't accept Pakistani sources, and I don't accept non-Pakistani sources. We will just have to agree to disagree.

I dont accept sources that come from the involved parties. Its that simple. There is a reason why a judge cannot preside over a case where he knows the defendant.

Pakistanis have a reason to lie over the events. So do Indians and bangladeshis. A third party, does not.

Unless there is third party sources confirming it, its nothing more than self-serving Pakistani propaganda.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I dont accept sources that come from the involved parties. Its that simple. There is a reason why a judge cannot preside over a case where he knows the defendant.

Pakistanis have a reason to lie over the events. So do Indians and bangladeshis. A third party, does not.

Unless there is third party sources confirming it, its nothing more than self-serving Pakistani propaganda.

Where is the third party getting it's information from? What is that third party's interest in the affairs? Did they cover both sides of the events or just that which was supplied by one side?

Probably best you don't answer, as you yourself are an involved party so by your own definition any 'facts' presented are going to be skewed. Maybe some other poster from a third party nation can answer with an independent view.

 

[imrankhannsu]

The Mukti Bahinis wouldnt have been formed if the Pakistan army didnt start the agitation. Those perpetrators would have been terrorists and criminals.

 

[moghul]

A terrorist group created by India, involved in killing of thousands of pro-Pakistani Bengalis and Beharis.

 

[Bhaijaan]

As a well wisher of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Subcontinent and entire humanity i truly believe that we must get over this sad chapter and discuss about bridging gaps and bringing all together for the benefit of society rather than slinging mud over a forgettable piece of history many decades ago. Let's get over it dosto.

Always yours,
Bhaijaan.

 

[Madplayer]

Why is there literally nothing from online neutral sources about the killings and rapes by Mukhti Bahini??? Its baffling.

 

[Traveller55]

Why is there literally nothing from online neutral sources about the killings and rapes by Mukhti Bahini??? Its baffling.

Because its wishful Pakistani thinking and propaganda to convince their masses that the government and military were not completely evil.
Sure, some law and order broke down and just like how people in the past have taken advantage of weakness and attacked British civillians all over the Indian subcontinent in the past. Does not make it Mukti Bahini.
Or if it does, I have no problems asking justice be served over that. But first, we need neutral evidence to confirm it and as you have seen- its practically non-existent.

The opposite however, has several & many scholarly articles detailing numbers, dates, locations etc.

This is why I find Pakistan's whine about how bad India is in Kashmir to be a bit of an eyewash. Yes, they are not exacty saints themselves. But compared to Pakistan, they come across as far more decent bunch when dealing with insurgency & independence currents from a semi-hostile native population.

 

[shaykh]

Freedom fighters rape women? Kill children? I hope you never are forced to fight for freedom.

Lol now that's a quotable ...

How many children have your friends Hamas killed?...

You're extremely transparent...it seems terrorism only bothers you depending on who it's done by...why is it that you praise Hamas for targeting civilians but here you're using it as a slur?...

And why when most Pakistanis are actually critical of the role Pakistans army played...are you defending them?...I guess it's ok when Pakistan does it...

Just like it's ok when Pakistan deports refugees...it's ok when Pakistan murders civilians...

If you didn't defend the conduct of your own state then you might have an iota of credibility when discussing others...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why is there literally nothing from online neutral sources about the killings and rapes by Mukhti Bahini??? Its baffling.

Because neutral sources are dependent on information coming from the area. Pro India lobby has always been far ahead of the game in this regard, so the Pakistani atrocities got plenty of coverage due to those lobbies distributing their side of the story, and the pro-Pakistan Bengali voice never got a chance to squeak. Bringing any attention to Mukhti Bahini atrocities would probably have been a death sentence. The victors write history in these situations.

 

[Slog]

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.html

 

[TikkiTaka]

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/05/20115983958114219.html

Finally the truth comes out. One of my grand uncles was serving with the Pak army in Dhaka during the war and I have heard tons of stories about it. He did say that the Pak Army carried out atrocities especially targeting Hindu intellectuals who always fought against the idea of Pakistan.

However, he always lamented that the Biharis who fought more than most for the creation of Pakistan were sacrificed by the state who didn't protect them. They bore the brunt of revenge killings by the Bengali extremists. It's all a sad state of affairs that we allowed India to take advantage of the Muslims in the subcontinent to divide us.