My gay daughter and her partner

[Stewie]

You are the one who insisted Katy Perry's song about kissing a girl wasn't cool, I was just contesting that view by showing that if it wasn't she wouldn't have even contemplated releasing it. Neither would it have shot to to the top of the charts. If you think only men liked it then you really have more warped logic than most. I didn't claim anything about homosexuality should not be accepted either, you are jumping the gun there.

Let us not beat around the bush, the media shows what sells and whats scanadolous.

tHere is no ulterior motive here to turn us all gay. I find such accusations laughable. I see people frothing at the mouth over the lGBTQ++ "agenda". I simply ask do you believe you will turn gay if you keep listening to such stuff 24/7? If the answer is somehow yes, I am afraid you have questionable sexual orientation to begin with.

Katy is a smart artist, she knew those lyrics will sell a song and her album. You know she is not even gay.

 

[Technics 1210]

Very good point. The liberals are by nature rebellion against what has been the norm for thousands of years. If homosexuality was around for 500 years, the liberals would be wanting something else to root for. They often instigate with ideologies to rebel against society.

Exactly. All this woke nonsense and being forced to accept one's vile choices is underpinned by the Liberal rebellion. Speak against this rebellion and one is ridiculed, cancelled, and so on.

Here's the funny aspect of it all, a society accepting a choice is liberalism in a nutshell, but if a women chooses to cover her face in the same society then the same Liberals are against said choice.

It is time people are held responsible for their choices in life. How would we feel if an alcoholic said he was born an alcoholic and his addiction was genetic, or a peado/rapist said he was born a peado/rapist and it felt natural to him - unacceptable.

Homosexuality was banned in the West, it was only made legal because as always, Liberalism fails to accept responsibility, so instead cries freedom. Well with this freedom, Liberalism also ushered in fatal diseases, buy hey, it's choice.

Make no mistake about it, the Father in the OP chose to go public because he was most likely being blackmailed in a so called Liberal country.

 

[Technics 1210]

"Homosexuality has to be accepted because it exists."

This comment sums up what is wrong with a Liberal society.

Many vile human traits exist, but should we accept said vile traits simply because they exist and are a choice? No. Never.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exactly. All this woke nonsense and being forced to accept one's vile choices is underpinned by the Liberal rebellion. Speak against this rebellion and one is ridiculed, cancelled, and so on.

Here's the funny aspect of it all, a society accepting a choice is liberalism in a nutshell, but if a women chooses to cover her face in the same society then the same Liberals are against said choice.

It is time people are held responsible for their choices in life. How would we feel if an alcoholic said he was born an alcoholic and his addiction was genetic, or a peado/rapist said he was born a peado/rapist and it felt natural to him - unacceptable.

Homosexuality was banned in the West, it was only made legal because as always, Liberalism fails to accept responsibility, so instead cries freedom. Well with this freedom, Liberalism also ushered in fatal diseases, buy hey, it's choice.

Make no mistake about it, the Father in the OP chose to go public because he was most likely being blackmailed in a so called Liberal country.

Yep, seems like it. What a strange time to live, where you will be attacked, shunned, called an extremist and even arrested in some nations if you the simple opinion same sex coupling is immoral and wrong.

They also enjoy seeing the pain of parents if their children are brainwashed into this.

Look at this, the poor dad is broken.

 

[Bewal Express]

I see some desi kids changing Gender and others coming out as young as 13 or 14. There was one girl who had changed gender in school but when we rang home, we had to call her her and in school it was he.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I see some desi kids changing Gender and others coming out as young as 13 or 14. There was one girl who had changed gender in school but when we rang home, we had to call her her and in school it was he.

Her parents approved?

It must be difficult for teachers to keep this in mind.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Absolutely. I knew you would jump all over it but it’s true. Also the fact that there are a lot more people in general but also a lot more with access to cell phone and network. India has banned a lot of sites too but then the education and accessibility to technology probably lets people get around it.

Having said that you may not like the numbers or the popular genres that are popular in Pakistan too. Maybe lack of awareness or vpn or such things make it more transparent and embarrassing.

It wasn’t about Ind-Pakistan; it’s about oppressive societies consume porn more. That’s the larger point that you missed. If you want to believe Pakistan is a oppressive society or not I will leave it to you.

The fact that post stood out to you among every thing else I said says a lot doesn’t it?

So what is your verdict? India is an oppressive society and that there should be more acceptance of homosexual relations I would imagine. That's fair enough, I already said I admired this guy in the article who reconciled his daughter's homosexuality with his Hindu faith.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Let us not beat around the bush, the media shows what sells and whats scanadolous.

tHere is no ulterior motive here to turn us all gay. I find such accusations laughable. I see people frothing at the mouth over the lGBTQ++ "agenda". I simply ask do you believe you will turn gay if you keep listening to such stuff 24/7? If the answer is somehow yes, I am afraid you have questionable sexual orientation to begin with.

Katy is a smart artist, she knew those lyrics will sell a song and her album. You know she is not even gay.

Why do you think anyone is claiming there is an ulterior motive to turn us all gay? Has anyone said this?

 

[Local.Dada]

So what is your verdict? India is an oppressive society and that there should be more acceptance of homosexual relations I would imagine. That's fair enough, I already said I admired this guy in the article who reconciled his daughter's homosexuality with his Hindu faith.

Maybe oppressive is a wrong choice of but 95% of Indian subcontinent if not more is very conservative. I don’t know why I feel like I am delivering some breaking news to you. Are you really that cut off from reality? Also you don’t need to be a Hindu to accept your kid. So not sure what value you added with your last 2 responses.

 

[Bewal Express]

Her parents approved?

It must be difficult for teachers to keep this in mind.

They didn't know and since then she has left school. Teachers are walking on egg shells with these issues

 

[KingKhanWC]

They didn't know and since then she has left school. Teachers are walking on egg shells with these issues

Its sad, teachers are great people in society, children grow with their influence. Teachers should only be concentrating on teaching which is a tough job not having to worry about being politically correct esp with things which change regularly. Keep up the good work you do bro.

 

[The_KING]

"Homosexuality has to be accepted because it exists."

This comment sums up what is wrong with a Liberal society.

Many vile human traits exist, but should we accept said vile traits simply because they exist and are a choice? No. Never.

Exactly this. We should accept homosexuality because it exists lol. What a dumb comment. Murder, rape, pedophilia, theft and many other indecent stuff exist. Should we accept everything because it exists? Absolutely not!

 

[SalimBhai]

Very good point. The liberals are by nature rebellion against what has been the norm for thousands of years. If homosexuality was around for 500 years, the liberals would be wanting something else to root for. They often instigate with ideologies to rebel against society.

Homosexuality has been around for 1000s of years in all cultures. There is so much literature on this out there.

 

[James]

Exactly this. We should accept homosexuality because it exists lol. What a dumb comment. Murder, rape, pedophilia, theft and many other indecent stuff exist. Should we accept everything because it exists? Absolutely not!

I suppose the discussion largely depends on what you can quantify as the level of individual/societal harm caused by something as to whether it should be legal or not. In this regard, I wouldn’t consider homosexuality in the same tier as murder, rape, pedophilia, or theft.

There are also different opinions on whether homosexuality is genetically predisposed or environmentally learned. Imo ALL sexuality is a highly complex and often unconsciously formed combination of the two factors, likely determined in early childhood when people don’t have reliable memories or are fully aware of themselves. I never “decided” that I was heterosexual (for example), I just knew it and felt it. It is probably the same for gay people.

 

[Gilly]

I suppose the discussion largely depends on what you can quantify as the level of individual/societal harm caused by something as to whether it should be legal or not. In this regard, I wouldn’t consider homosexuality in the same tier as murder, rape, pedophilia, or theft.

There are also different opinions on whether homosexuality is genetically predisposed or environmentally learned. Imo ALL sexuality is a highly complex and often unconsciously formed combination of the two factors, likely determined in early childhood when people don’t have reliable memories or are fully aware of themselves. I never “decided” that I was heterosexual (for example), I just knew it and felt it. It is probably the same for gay people.

Finding the answer to this question is really a moot point, some people are terrified of homosexuals and have been conditioned to fear these people. Only a change in how people are conditioned will change anything.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

"Homosexuality has to be accepted because it exists."

This comment sums up what is wrong with a Liberal society.

Many vile human traits exist, but should we accept said vile traits simply because they exist and are a choice? No. Never.

This is one of the reasons I keep saying,

Watch, in a couple of decades, pedophilia will be legalized in the liberal world.

It will be justified as “natural attraction towards minors”

 

[James]

This is one of the reasons I keep saying,

Watch, in a couple of decades, pedophilia will be legalized in the liberal world.

It will be justified as “natural attraction towards minors”

No. There was a push for this in the US and UK/Europe already, in the second half of the 20th century, and it was strongly rejected. It would be so again. Even western society for all its faults won’t give up on its children in this way.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

No. There was a push for this in the US and UK/Europe already, in the second half of the 20th century, and it was strongly rejected. It would be so again. Even western society for all its faults won’t give up on its children in this way.

Ohhhh, so there ARE things that liberals try to do that are not good??


Yes, the CURRENT liberal society won’t be able to succeed to get it legalized - but times will change. My prediction is based on future events - a couple of decades from now, and it will be here.

Just like, legalizing homosexuality wasn’t imaginable a few decades ago - but here we are.

The way things are changing, this is mostly likely inevitable.

Perhaps they will start with legalizing incest - then beastiality.

Many liberals don’t seems to have any issue with incest - you know, “it’s a consent between two adults, so why not legalized it”.

And then many single females in the west already have these big pet dogs as sexual partners.

IMO, it’s going to be legalized in the coming few decades.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Finding the answer to this question is really a moot point, some people are terrified of homosexuals and have been conditioned to fear these people. Only a change in how people are conditioned will change anything.

Using language like "terrified" or "conditioned to fear" is a form of conditioning itself. These are just words, they aren't based on anything other than something you wish to project. If you replaced 'terrified' with 'concerned' you would have a totally different dynamic.

 

[SalimBhai]

Most libérelas don’t have issue with incest???? Do you have any proof or just making things up?????
Many females in west have big pet dogs as sexual partners??? Any proof is just your imagination in over drive ?

 

[SalimBhai]

Ohhhh, so there ARE things that liberals try to do that are not good??


Yes, the CURRENT liberal society won’t be able to succeed to get it legalized - but times will change. My prediction is based on future events - a couple of decades from now, and it will be here.

Just like, legalizing homosexuality wasn’t imaginable a few decades ago - but here we are.

The way things are changing, this is mostly likely inevitable.

Perhaps they will start with legalizing incest - then beastiality.

Many liberals don’t seems to have any issue with incest - you know, “it’s a consent between two adults, so why not legalized it”.

And then many single females in the west already have these big pet dogs as sexual partners.

IMO, it’s going to be legalized in the coming few decades.

Do you consider cousin marriage incest?

 

[Stewie]

This is one of the reasons I keep saying,

Watch, in a couple of decades, pedophilia will be legalized in the liberal world.

It will be justified as “natural attraction towards minors”

It kind of is legal in some ways in KPK and Afghanistan, where it’s almost part of the culture. It’s called bacha Bazi there. I don’t think any criminal charges are filed for such stuff there.

 

[Technics 1210]

No. There was a push for this in the US and UK/Europe already, in the second half of the 20th century, and it was strongly rejected. It would be so again. Even western society for all its faults won’t give up on its children in this way.

If a Peado says his attraction to children is natural and genetic, would you believe him?

Lets go a step further, the general consensus among geneticists is that the human genome is responsible for all human traits, then why bang up a peado in prison, knowing his behaviour is genetic, instead of offering help towards reform?

Liberal society cannot pick and choose what is natural/generic and what is not - because nature and genes do not discriminate.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Homosexuality has been around for 1000s of years in all cultures. There is so much literature on this out there.

So has murder. What is your point?

 

[Technics 1210]

This is one of the reasons I keep saying,

Watch, in a couple of decades, pedophilia will be legalized in the liberal world.

It will be justified as “natural attraction towards minors”

Canada has just decriminalised hard and addictive drugs like crack and heroin, and Canada is one of the most liberal nations on earth.

I agree, give it time, and Liberals will legalise everything in the name of freedom and ‘choice’.

 

[Stewie]

If a Peado says his attraction to children is natural and genetic, would you believe him?

Lets go a step further, the general consensus among geneticists is that the human genome is responsible for all human traits, then why bang up a peado in prison, knowing his behaviour is genetic, instead of offering help towards reform?

Liberal society cannot pick and choose what is natural/generic and what is not - because nature and genes do not discriminate.

You really have a hard time understanding some very basic concepts. Kindly do some research on consensual relations and the definitions, age limits, etc in most countries and cultures.

 

[Stewie]

Canada has just decriminalised hard and addictive drugs like crack and heroin, and Canada is one of the most liberal nations on earth.

I agree, give it time, and Liberals will legalise everything in the name of freedom and ‘choice’.

Please stop spreading lies. Canada has done no such thing. i wonder how many times do you have to be proven wrong before you stop making a fool out of yourself.

"Heroin is controlled under Schedule I of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. Activities such as sale, possession and production are illegal, unless authorized for medical, scientific or industrial purposes."


https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/substance-use/controlled-illegal-drugs/heroin.html

 

[Stewie]

So has murder. What is your point?

SO there is no difference between taking someone's life vs two adults doing whatever they want with consent?

I hope you dont plan on pursuing law as a profession. You will be horrible at it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

SO there is no difference between taking someone's life vs two adults doing whatever they want with consent?

I hope you dont plan on pursuing law as a profession. You will be horrible at it.

The point was something has been around for so long.....

Of course they are different lol.

You're the chap who was advising people to stay away from families if not vaccinated, take your own advise first.

 

[Stewie]

The point was something has been around for so long.....

Of course they are different lol.

You're the chap who was advising people to stay away from families if not vaccinated, take your own advise first.

I have and i am glad I did and my family listened to me, you have made utter fool of yourself during covid and pretty much everywhere else and you continue to do it here with your fuzzy logic.

You equate two things, then you go back and admit they re not the same. You guys love to bash liberals and act like smug conservatives while living in the west, but you refuse to admit child molestations and bacha bazi happen in the most conservative of conservative parts of our country and region.

THe individual liberties you enjoy in the west, that allow you to freely access the internet and have free speech and freedom of thought and expression, you bash and oppose the same freedoms and want to impose the draconian farsooda ideologies that probably caused you and your forefathers to leave your native homeland and move to the UK.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have and i am glad I did and my family listened to me, you have made utter fool of yourself during covid and pretty much everywhere else and you continue to do it here with your fuzzy logic.

You equate two things, then you go back and admit they re not the same. You guys love to bash liberals and act like smug conservatives while living in the west, but you refuse to admit child molestations and bacha bazi happen in the most conservative of conservative parts of our country and region.

THe individual liberties you enjoy in the west, that allow you to freely access the internet and have free speech and freedom of thought and expression, you bash and oppose the same freedoms and want to impose the draconian farsooda ideologies that probably caused you and your forefathers to leave your native homeland and move to the UK.

I think you raise a valid point about bacha bazi in Pakistan, or more particularly in a certain region of it. It is worth asking the question, but not sure you can attribute that down to conservative values, otherwise we would have seen such practices in Victorian England, or Early pioneer days during the 1900's in the USA. Bacha bazi is a warped practice in former frontier provinces which seems to have developed under lawless free-for-all societies, but would be an interesting discussion in it's own right. Imagine what would transpire in even developed countries if we didn't have law and enforcement to stop such development unchecked. Snuff movies were a thing in the not so distant past just as one example.

 

[daytrader]

I think you raise a valid point about bacha bazi in Pakistan, or more particularly in a certain region of it. It is worth asking the question, but not sure you can attribute that down to conservative values, otherwise we would have seen such practices in Victorian England, or Early pioneer days during the 1900's in the USA. Bacha bazi is a warped practice in former frontier provinces which seems to have developed under lawless free-for-all societies, but would be an interesting discussion in it's own right. Imagine what would transpire in even developed countries if we didn't have law and enforcement to stop such development unchecked. Snuff movies were a thing in the not so distant past just as one example.

Child molestation happens across the World. Unfair to single out just the frontier provinces. It's just as bad in rural Punjab

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Child molestation happens across the World. Unfair to single out just the frontier provinces. It's just as bad in rural Punjab

Well as far as I know it got a name bacha bazi in the frontier provinces, but you are right, it's child molestation, and it's unfair to pin it on a region when it's a worldwide problem. But the point I was addressing was that this sort of perversion isn't the result of suppression, it's the result of perversion, and it actually does need to be suppressed. It's a fallacy to use this example as your argument for more freedom to express sexual desires.

 

[Stewie]

Well as far as I know it got a name bacha bazi in the frontier provinces, but you are right, it's child molestation, and it's unfair to pin it on a region when it's a worldwide problem. But the point I was addressing was that this sort of perversion isn't the result of suppression, it's the result of perversion, and it actually does need to be suppressed. It's a fallacy to use this example as your argument for more freedom to express sexual desires.

My point was in direct response to those here who are perennial chimneys billowing smoke here about liberals this and that while living in foreign lands. They love to bash the “liberal” aspect of the societies they live in. They love to hate the liberal “agenda”. They stand up for and defend the “conservative” values mostly. My point is either extreme is bad. You just need to stand up for whats right. The western values of declaring undeniable basic God given right of life, liberty and happiness.. are what brought you to these lands. Unfortunately if you dont agree with gays, you want to deny them this right when the society has overall has decided and voted for it? On top of that you are comparing their lifestyle with crimes where another human beings rights are violated.

I might disagree with their lifestyle but i stand up for their freedom of choice. Believe in separation of church and state. If that doesnt work for you, quit complaining and move to Pakistan or Saudia Arabia, where supposedly such practices dont take place.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

My point was in direct response to those here who are perennial chimneys billowing smoke here about liberals this and that while living in foreign lands. They love to bash the “liberal” aspect of the societies they live in. They love to hate the liberal “agenda”. They stand up for and defend the “conservative” values mostly. My point is either extreme is bad. You just need to stand up for whats right. The western values of declaring undeniable basic God given right of life, liberty and happiness.. are what brought you to these lands. Unfortunately if you dont agree with gays, you want to deny them this right when the society has overall has decided and voted for it? On top of that you are comparing their lifestyle with crimes where another human beings rights are violated.

I might disagree with their lifestyle but i stand up for their freedom of choice. Believe in separation of church and state. If that doesnt work for you, quit complaining and move to Pakistan or Saudia Arabia, where supposedly such practices dont take place.

Well I am not arguing any of that, so you need to quote those who are bashing liberals and take it up with them. But bacha bazi was a poor example to use to make a point about oppression of gay desires. Child abuse does need to be oppressed. Maybe better to stick to homosexuality between adults for this discussion.

 

[Stewie]

Well I am not arguing any of that, so you need to quote those who are bashing liberals and take it up with them. But bacha bazi was a poor example to use to make a point about oppression of gay desires. Child abuse does need to be oppressed. Maybe better to stick to homosexuality between adults for this discussion.

This was not used as any example. You misread it. It was used to sarcastically show the twisted face if a “conservative” society. Some people here love to harp on the liberal agenda but they fail to see the other side of it. Conservatism and suppression has a lot to do with this practice and its open in those areas. Its almost part of their culture. You can google it.

 

[Stewie]

I have and i am glad I did and my family listened to me, you have made utter fool of yourself during covid and pretty much everywhere else and you continue to do it here with your fuzzy logic.

You equate two things, then you go back and admit they re not the same. You guys love to bash liberals and act like smug conservatives while living in the west, but you refuse to admit child molestations and bacha bazi happen in the most conservative of conservative parts of our country and region.

THe individual liberties you enjoy in the west, that allow you to freely access the internet and have free speech and freedom of thought and expression, you bash and oppose the same freedoms and want to impose the draconian farsooda ideologies that probably caused you and your forefathers to leave your native homeland and move to the UK.

Re-read this post, [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am not here to argue on behalf of others for whatever arguments they have made, maybe quote them and take it up with them. If you are quoting me then better to stick to the parameters of what I have said. I don't see why I should be defending arguments about Covid or western liberties when I have not really contested any of them.

 

[Stewie]

I am not here to argue on behalf of others for whatever arguments they have made, maybe quote them and take it up with them. If you are quoting me then better to stick to the parameters of what I have said. I don't see why I should be defending arguments about Covid or western liberties when I have not really contested any of them.

I did so because you were the one putting me on the spot for using bacha bazi argument as a “fallacy”. Either defend your point or stop poking your nose into other people’s point if it doesnt concern you. Go back and te read your own posts.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I did so because you were the one putting me on the spot for using bacha bazi argument as a “fallacy”. Either defend your point or stop poking your nose into other people’s point if it doesnt concern you. Go back and te read your own posts.

If you don't want to be put on the spot for using bacha bazi in an debate then I suggest don't use it as an example. I did defend this point and have explained it quite clearly. I don't see what your issue is, and maybe you are confused as well, that is why you are throwing other people's arguments into the mixer which have nothing to do with what I said.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have and i am glad I did and my family listened to me, you have made utter fool of yourself during covid and pretty much everywhere else and you continue to do it here with your fuzzy logic.

You equate two things, then you go back and admit they re not the same. You guys love to bash liberals and act like smug conservatives while living in the west, but you refuse to admit child molestations and bacha bazi happen in the most conservative of conservative parts of our country and region.

THe individual liberties you enjoy in the west, that allow you to freely access the internet and have free speech and freedom of thought and expression, you bash and oppose the same freedoms and want to impose the draconian farsooda ideologies that probably caused you and your forefathers to leave your native homeland and move to the UK.

Thanks for proving my point, its silly to blindly follow the liberal western influence from their media and their national thinking. As you did the the vaccine, which now has been confirmed it was never tested to stop transmission, they lied to you. Its clear who was fooled and you continue to follow this on this subject.

Child abuse has no relevance. Just a poor dig at religion as you are an atheist when it also has nothing to do with faith.

Two men having intimate relations is not accepted by most of the humans alive on the planet and never has been in history. Its simple.

Not sure why you are so defensive, please explain?

 

[Technics 1210]

BREAKING NEWS!

We are told we have individual freedoms and liberties in the West, the freedom to choose and express ourselves, yet when people chose not to have the vaccines, it was liberals who went on a war path, but all is tranquil when people choose their sexual orientation!

Liberalism is a sad indictment of humanity, especially the society in which it breeds!

 

[KingKhanWC]

BREAKING NEWS!

We are told we have individual freedoms and liberties in the West, the freedom to choose and express ourselves, yet when people chose not to have the vaccines, it was liberals who went on a war path, but all is tranquil when people choose their sexual orientation!

Liberalism is a sad indictment of humanity, especially the society in which it breeds!

Many just follow them blindly not understanding their hypocrisy and warped logic.

Freedom to choose gender, lifestyle, freedom of speech to attack religions, freedom to bomb people into democracy but if anyone disagrees with them, their freedom is attacked, censored and sometimes those airing their views attacked or killed.

Their aim here to promote homosexuality, transgenders and all things related is an attack on the tried, tested and successful family structure humans have used to grow in numbers and grow in advancement as civilisations.

 

[Technics 1210]

Many just follow them blindly not understanding their hypocrisy and warped logic.

Freedom to choose gender, lifestyle, freedom of speech to attack religions, freedom to bomb people into democracy but if anyone disagrees with them, their freedom is attacked, censored and sometimes those airing their views attacked or killed.

Their aim here to promote homosexuality, transgenders and all things related is an attack on the tried, tested and successful family structure humans have used to grow in numbers and grow in advancement as civilisations.

Yup, and the majority who represent modern day liberalism do not come from a solid family structure, which is why through retribution they wish to destroy familes by legitimising everything possible.

It is an outright ideology built on hate and jealousy.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

My point was in direct response to those here who are perennial chimneys billowing smoke here about liberals this and that while living in foreign lands. They love to bash the “liberal” aspect of the societies they live in. They love to hate the liberal “agenda”. They stand up for and defend the “conservative” values mostly. My point is either extreme is bad. You just need to stand up for whats right. The western values of declaring undeniable basic God given right of life, liberty and happiness.. are what brought you to these lands. Unfortunately if you dont agree with gays, you want to deny them this right when the society has overall has decided and voted for it? On top of that you are comparing their lifestyle with crimes where another human beings rights are violated.

I might disagree with their lifestyle but i stand up for their freedom of choice. Believe in separation of church and state. If that doesnt work for you, quit complaining and move to Pakistan or Saudia Arabia, where supposedly such practices dont take place.

Stopped reading after the bold underlined part.

Same old rhetoric that has been addressed over and over and over again.

So lets do it one more time.

Who is going to decide what's "right"?
You?
No, you can't and you wont decide what's right for me.

Yes, you can decide what's right for YOU - but what's right for YOU may not be right for ME and many OTHERS.

Here is an example, when male females meet in the west, they tend to hug. There is nothing wrong and everything is right about it. Males, in such cases, shake hands.

But in many eastern countries, when male female meet, women tend not to make a physical contact. Not even a hand shake. And males not only hug each other, but kiss each other's cheeks. To them, it's right. And hugging a stranger,/co-worker female is wrong.

So, who is right and who is wrong between these two societies?

No, YOU and I, won't and we can't decide for them.

We can perhaps say that a society which you live in, and local laws of the land tend to decide what's right and what's wrong.

Is this a reasonably agreed upon point?

If yes, lets dig a little deeper.

Let's compare a conservative society and a liberal one. And we are NOT going to prove who is right and who is wrong.
Both societies have free choice as to whichever path they want to follow.


Now,
Conservative societies generally tend to have their moral compass and their right and wrong derived from a religious guideline which then, influences the local laws of the land, and the social norms.

So, for these societies the "right" and "wrong" hardly ever changes. The lines drawn by the religious guidance generally do NOT change over time. The act of homosexually was wrong 2000 years ago and it's still wrong today. No change.
And even if there is a change in the definition of "right and wrong" in such societies, the change itself is usually very small and takes a long time to take effect.


However, when a society decides that they are going to ignore the religious guidelines and THE PEOPLE will decide what's right and what's wrong THEN, their "rights and wrongs" continuously change over time - as the society "progresses".

For example, in the western or liberal world, the society/majority deemed homosexuality as criminal offense, say a 100 years ago. It was unthinkable and imaginable that homosexuality could be legalized in that era.
But, as the society "progressed" it was slowly "decriminalized".
Further social progression, slowly made it "acceptable"
And now, it's "legalized".

(lol, coming to think of it, what if further "social progression" makes it mandatory upon us? "You must suck another man's ding dong to prove that you have progressed with the society, otherwise you are a stubborn conservative" --- who knows, if this may happen 100 years from now in the liberal world - would you be surprised?)

But lets get back to the point,

In the recent past, pedophilia in the liberal world was, and to some extent still is frown upon and there are laws against it.
However, we have already noticed the indicators that it's going the same way.
There are fluffy terms already popping up for pedos.
MAP: Minor Attracted person
NOP: Non offending pedophiles
AOA: Age of attraction

Now, you may come back and say, I have never heard these terms so I don't believe in them (well,,, good for you!). And you being a liberal supporter may also have an opinion against legalizing pedophilia at this point in time - BUT - when the liberal society progresses, and the new generation of liberals arrive on the scene, say 50 years from now, they WILL push for legalizing pedophilia. They have already tried that once. And that's a start. They will do it again. And again.

But 50 years from now, for conservative societies, the act of homosexuality, incest and pedophilia will still remain wrong.

So, to support my point, when I look at the liberal societies where religious guidance is thrown out of the window and the people decide what's right and what's wrong then- THESE SOCITIES ARE BOUND TO GO ASTRAY - when you scan them with a lens of religious based morality.

You may call it social progression - and good for you!

However, it's a choice they make - and they have the right to do so - but at the end of the day, we will be responsible for our choices.

 

[Stewie]

Stopped reading after the bold underlined part.

Same old rhetoric that has been addressed over and over and over again.

So lets do it one more time.

Who is going to decide what's "right"?
You?
No, you can't and you wont decide what's right for me.

Yes, you can decide what's right for YOU - but what's right for YOU may not be right for ME and many OTHERS.

Here is an example, when male females meet in the west, they tend to hug. There is nothing wrong and everything is right about it. Males, in such cases, shake hands.

But in many eastern countries, when male female meet, women tend not to make a physical contact. Not even a hand shake. And males not only hug each other, but kiss each other's cheeks. To them, it's right. And hugging a stranger,/co-worker female is wrong.

So, who is right and who is wrong between these two societies?

No, YOU and I, won't and we can't decide for them.

We can perhaps say that a society which you live in, and local laws of the land tend to decide what's right and what's wrong.

Is this a reasonably agreed upon point?

If yes, lets dig a little deeper.

Let's compare a conservative society and a liberal one. And we are NOT going to prove who is right and who is wrong.
Both societies have free choice as to whichever path they want to follow.


Now,
Conservative societies generally tend to have their moral compass and their right and wrong derived from a religious guideline which then, influences the local laws of the land, and the social norms.

So, for these societies the "right" and "wrong" hardly ever changes. The lines drawn by the religious guidance generally do NOT change over time. The act of homosexually was wrong 2000 years ago and it's still wrong today. No change.
And even if there is a change in the definition of "right and wrong" in such societies, the change itself is usually very small and takes a long time to take effect.


However, when a society decides that they are going to ignore the religious guidelines and THE PEOPLE will decide what's right and what's wrong THEN, their "rights and wrongs" continuously change over time - as the society "progresses".

For example, in the western or liberal world, the society/majority deemed homosexuality as criminal offense, say a 100 years ago. It was unthinkable and imaginable that homosexuality could be legalized in that era.
But, as the society "progressed" it was slowly "decriminalized".
Further social progression, slowly made it "acceptable"
And now, it's "legalized".

(lol, coming to think of it, what if further "social progression" makes it mandatory upon us? "You must suck another man's ding dong to prove that you have progressed with the society, otherwise you are a stubborn conservative" --- who knows, if this may happen 100 years from now in the liberal world - would you be surprised?)

But lets get back to the point,

In the recent past, pedophilia in the liberal world was, and to some extent still is frown upon and there are laws against it.
However, we have already noticed the indicators that it's going the same way.
There are fluffy terms already popping up for pedos.
MAP: Minor Attracted person
NOP: Non offending pedophiles
AOA: Age of attraction

Now, you may come back and say, I have never heard these terms so I don't believe in them (well,,, good for you!). And you being a liberal supporter may also have an opinion against legalizing pedophilia at this point in time - BUT - when the liberal society progresses, and the new generation of liberals arrive on the scene, say 50 years from now, they WILL push for legalizing pedophilia. They have already tried that once. And that's a start. They will do it again. And again.

But 50 years from now, for conservative societies, the act of homosexuality, incest and pedophilia will still remain wrong.

So, to support my point, when I look at the liberal societies where religious guidance is thrown out of the window and the people decide what's right and what's wrong then- THESE SOCITIES ARE BOUND TO GO ASTRAY - when you scan them with a lens of religious based morality.

You may call it social progression - and good for you!

However, it's a choice they make - and they have the right to do so - but at the end of the day, we will be responsible for our choices.

Such a long rant. But lets focus in the key part. If the Western societies where most of you live, i dont know about you specifically, but the rest of the loud ones on this subject, are all in the UK, maybe you are too..have already decided they would not like to impinge upon the basic right to happiness of their people and what they do in the privacy of their bedroom is their business, then who are you to raise a storm over this matter?

If most of you lived in countries that claim they don’t have any homosexuals, I would say sure go right ahead. My pet peeve is we love to live in the west, take advantage of its rights and liberties but we want to force our own views down people’s throats and want others to believe what we believe.

Funny thing is, I am exactly like the rest of you. I dislike the whole LGBTQ++ agenda, their lifestyles, and as a father I absolutely absolutely dread of my children turn out that way, but I will respect the right of people and the laws of the land where I live… that’s where my “you have to do what is right” is coming from.

I used the example of a middle aged white female registrar in Texas who refused the marriage license to a gay couple a few years ago in this thread. Read that post and you will understand my POV.

 

[Stewie]

By the way paedophilia is a crime.. because the rights of a minor are infringed upon. There is a world of difference between what some of you guys are trying to equate this issue with. I seriously mean it when I say you can take this conversation offline to a lawyer and discuss this argument and they will explain it to you. The western laws look at these scenarios with the “human” POV whereas we like to refer to everything from our “divine message from God” POV. There will always be a disconnect but you can use cold logic with the human view. There will be a reasonable explanation. Those who decide such things obviously don’t want their children molested so you think they will make paedophilia legal? Lol.

Common sense!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't want to stick my oar in on other people's arguments here, but I do need to make this point regarding what has been said above: "We" might live in the west, but we have absolutely no right to force our views down other people's throats, and I don't believe anyone has said we should. We can have an OPINION, but that is the same as all members of free society in the west. Everyone gets an opinion "shoved down their throat" here, it's part of life in the west.

 

[Stewie]

I don't want to stick my oar in on other people's arguments here, but I do need to make this point regarding what has been said above: "We" might live in the west, but we have absolutely no right to force our views down other people's throats, and I don't believe anyone has said we should. We can have an OPINION, but that is the same as all members of free society in the west. Everyone gets an opinion "shoved down their throat" here, it's part of life in the west.

I appreciate that comment and I am not speaking of you directly but a few other usual suspects and if you go back and read this thread in its entirety, you will easily identify those individuals who use the guise of conservatism to lash out at such… shall we dare say western values, and bash so called liberalism.
These are the same people who try to equate beastiality and paedophilia and other crimes with equal rights for gays. I have been advocating free speech and equal rights here, so why would I not encourage them or you to not have your views? But I do not appreciate when the sudden pivots come out of nowhere to force their points “paedophilia will be legal in a few years too” “liberal agenda will ….’ Insert your favorite doomsday prediction here’ “

It’s fairly easy to identify such hate mongerers here.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Interesting! I guess I have to believe it because you said so. lol

You can believe what you like.

I genuinley do think its the case that a person caj become bisexual or attracted to other genders as a result of their environment.

I do also believe some people are born gay. I treat these people with compassion and wouldnt ridicule them.

I just dont think their lifestyle should be promoted the way it is.

 

[Champ_Pal]

BREAKING NEWS!

We are told we have individual freedoms and liberties in the West, the freedom to choose and express ourselves, yet when people chose not to have the vaccines, it was liberals who went on a war path, but all is tranquil when people choose their sexual orientation!

Liberalism is a sad indictment of humanity, especially the society in which it breeds!

Do not conflate liberalism with Marxist/Socialist radical left. There are forces in the West funded by some billionaires to undermine US and the West.

 

[Stewie]

You can believe what you like.

I genuinley do think its the case that a person caj become bisexual or attracted to other genders as a result of their environment.

I do also believe some people are born gay. I treat these people with compassion and wouldnt ridicule them.

I just dont think their lifestyle should be promoted the way it is.

I dont have the expertise to agree or disagree the first part.

Regarding the latter, they are in the media/showbiz like jews are so of course they have their own platform to extend their narrative. You could argue they are trying to create more tolerance but it does seem like they are trying to prove almost every other person these days is gay. They turned Superman's kid into a bisexual, ***. lol

Terrible!

 

[SalimBhai]

Yup, and the majority who represent modern day liberalism do not come from a solid family structure, which is why through retribution they wish to destroy familes by legitimising everything possible.

It is an outright ideology built on hate and jealousy.

I believe this is just a made up statement . No proof

 

[RexRex]

Look at the multiple foolish posts above where several mention homosexuality will lead to legalisation of incest, paedophilia and bestiality.

Unlike homosexuality, there is always someone harmed in the three illegal acts.

- Incest creates genetically deformed offspring.
- Paedophilia harms the kids.
- Bestiality harms the animals.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Such a long rant. But lets focus in the key part. If the Western societies where most of you live, i dont know about you specifically, but the rest of the loud ones on this subject, are all in the UK, maybe you are too..have already decided they would not like to impinge upon the basic right to happiness of their people and what they do in the privacy of their bedroom is their business, then who are you to raise a storm over this matter?

If most of you lived in countries that claim they don’t have any homosexuals, I would say sure go right ahead. My pet peeve is we love to live in the west, take advantage of its rights and liberties but we want to force our own views down people’s throats and want others to believe what we believe.

Funny thing is, I am exactly like the rest of you. I dislike the whole LGBTQ++ agenda, their lifestyles, and as a father I absolutely absolutely dread of my children turn out that way, but I will respect the right of people and the laws of the land where I live… that’s where my “you have to do what is right” is coming from.

I used the example of a middle aged white female registrar in Texas who refused the marriage license to a gay couple a few years ago in this thread. Read that post and you will understand my POV.

Common sense!

I think Capt R, already answered it.
No one is stopping two men to do from whatever they want to do in the privacy of their bedrooms - but - IMO you are off base on two points.

First of all, you are assuming that it's ONLY the first generation of immigrants from Pakistan who are exercising their right to voice their opinion against the act of homosexuality - which also is an act of pursuit to happiness - but - you seem to have an issue with it.

No, it's not only "Some of you guys" - there are millions of 5th generation Americans who are of the same opinion.

Second, and unfortunately, it's not only limited to "what two people do in the privacy of their bedroom" - have you seen a few examples of Woke books for small kids? Did you notice any signs of indoctrination of kids at elementary school level?

There are more potent videos on YouTube that I would avoid posting here due to TOS.

Here is a really mild one that should show you the tip of the iceberg.

I am all for not going to extremes and I am for freedom.


If LGBT++ community has the right to pursue happiness then NON-LGBT community ALSO has the same right.

Voicing your opinion OK for both parties and doing whatever you want to do in the privacy of your bedroom is also OK - BUT -

If you push your mental sickness onto my kids, then I will speak even louder and take legal channels to resist your "pvt bedroom junk" from pouring into our elementary schools curriculums.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Look at the multiple foolish posts above where several mention homosexuality will lead to legalisation of incest, paedophilia and bestiality.

Unlike homosexuality, there is always someone harmed in the three illegal acts.

- Incest creates genetically deformed offspring.
- Paedophilia harms the kids.
- Bestiality harms the animals.

You need to keep up.

1. There are multiple nations in the west where bestiality is not illegal.

2. Why are you assuming incest will even lead to children? They can use protection or other methods which will ensure no child could ever be born. So why cant two adults , siblings or others not be allowed to have intimate relations but two men can?

 

[Technics 1210]

Homosexuality is harmful to society!

Fatal diseases are more prevalent and first appear in homosexuals, which are then spread to heterosexuals! (via bisexual men)

This is a scientific fact!

https://www.cdc.gov/std/life-stages...STDs—like HIV, chlamydia,skin-to-skin contact.

For example, AIDS/HIV was first discovered within Homosexuals, then spread to Hetrosexuals!

 

[Technics 1210]

You need to keep up.

1. There are multiple nations in the west where bestiality is not illegal.

2. Why are you assuming incest will even lead to children? They can use protection or other methods which will ensure no child could ever be born. So why cant two adults , siblings or others not be allowed to have intimate relations but two men can?

Homosexual parents (2 Fathers or 2 mothers) is also harmful to society, in particular the children involved!

Talk about mental abuse! Deliberately denying a child the love of a father or mother! Plus, the likelihood of said children in retribution mode in their adult life also has an effect on society!

The detrimental effects of homosexuality, both from a health and upbringing perspective, are indirect upon society, yet far far more deadly in the long run!

 

[Colorblind Genius]

By the way paedophilia is a crime.. because the rights of a minor are infringed upon. There is a world of difference between what some of you guys are trying to equate this issue with. I seriously mean it when I say you can take this conversation offline to a lawyer and discuss this argument and they will explain it to you. The western laws look at these scenarios with the “human” POV whereas we like to refer to everything from our “divine message from God” POV. There will always be a disconnect but you can use cold logic with the human view. There will be a reasonable explanation. Those who decide such things obviously don’t want their children molested so you think they will make paedophilia legal? Lol.

Common sense!

You still didn't get it, did you?

Pedophilia, and incest and beasility is a crime because THE SOCIETY and THE PEOPLE have agreed to make it a crime in this point of time.

And it's not going to last very long because the society is going to decide what is right and what is wrong.

New liberals will arrive on the scene in a few decades who would NOT deem it to be a crime. Just as you see the history of homosexuality becoming legal from being a crime with in a few decades.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Homosexual parents (2 Fathers or 2 mothers) is also harmful to society, in particular the children involved!

Talk about mental abuse! Deliberately denying a child the love of a father or mother! Plus, the likelihood of said children in retribution mode in their adult life also has an effect on society!

The detrimental effects of homosexuality, both from a health and upbringing perspective, are indirect upon society, yet far far more deadly in the long run!

My personal view is only Hetro couples should be allowed to adopt/foster children.

It will be unlikely they ever produce a detail study on the upbringing in children in such environments but only small half baked studies which agree with the liberal ideology.

Common sense will tell you when a child draws Daddy and Daddy at the age 5 it will cause mental confusion for the child, not to mention being bullied and laughed at by other kids.

 

[Stewie]

You still didn't get it, did you?

Pedophilia, and incest and beasility is a crime because THE SOCIETY and THE PEOPLE have agreed to make it a crime in this point of time.

And it's not going to last very long because the society is going to decide what is right and what is wrong.

New liberals will arrive on the scene in a few decades who would NOT deem it to be a crime. Just as you see the history of homosexuality becoming legal from being a crime with in a few decades.

I get what you are saying but it’s an assumption and conjecture at best when the laws against this sort of thing are the basic foundation of advanced civilization. You may think liberals are the scourge of the world but there are saner minds on both sides of the aisle who protect the rights of humans as we know them today. They are the ones who pressurize the more conservative states in the world against child labor.


Brushing with broad strokes is a fallacy in my opinion. But for the sake of this thread, let us say we can complain about this when it happens.

I personally know why the western world fought for homosexual rights. Their unions were not recognized. A guy I knew who supported his partner and extended family got into an accident and his dependents did not receive any of the benefits through his employers that say a straight man who was married would be afforded to. There are these societal issues at play which some of us may not be privy to. Their partners would not be covered under their health or any benefits whatsoever till the governments started recognizing their unions.

 

[Technics 1210]

My personal view is only Hetro couples should be allowed to adopt/foster children.

It will be unlikely they ever produce a detail study on the upbringing in children in such environments but only small half baked studies which agree with the liberal ideology.

Common sense will tell you when a child draws Daddy and Daddy at the age 5 it will cause mental confusion for the child, not to mention being bullied and laughed at by other kids.

100%. Only Hetro couples must be allowed.

Plus, one can only imagine the confusion a child who is adopted by a gay couple would face when learning in science it takes a male and female to procreate.

Liberal society attacking adults is one thing, but they have gone for the roots of society - children!

Systematic and traumatic brainwashing for one purpose only, the fostering and expansion of Liberalism.

 

[MenInG]

This thread has become a disgusting collection of posts.

IF you all don't know what is appropriate to write then don't bother posting here.

Will give it a few hours then bin it

 

[MenInG]

Those observing Ramadan atleast think about what you are writing on these threads.

 

[RexRex]

Yes, majority have a brain but many dont esp in Europe and states in the USA. You were wrong in your point.

A brother and sister can use medical treatments to stop any pregnancy from ever occurring . Will it be ok then. For you?

Regardless of treatments/protection .. it should still be banned. It is akin to society playing with fire. Apart from the gross factor, theoretical basis of creating deformed kids stands.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Those observing Ramadan atleast think about what you are writing on these threads.

Its the nature of the topic, such arguments will come forth. In Islam you should stand up against lies esp when people claim such relationships are fine. The Creator tells us otherwise. This is a liberal brainwashing problem which is becoming a problem for the youth inc some Muslim youth whose parents are too busy working etc.

I find it a boring topic tbh but people with certain ideologies attempt to push onto others and demand they accept it. No Muslim can and should, those who do need to educate themselves on their faith.

 

[Stewie]

I think Capt R, already answered it.
No one is stopping two men to do from whatever they want to do in the privacy of their bedrooms - but - IMO you are off base on two points.

First of all, you are assuming that it's ONLY the first generation of immigrants from Pakistan who are exercising their right to voice their opinion against the act of homosexuality - which also is an act of pursuit to happiness - but - you seem to have an issue with it.

No, it's not only "Some of you guys" - there are millions of 5th generation Americans who are of the same opinion.

Second, and unfortunately, it's not only limited to "what two people do in the privacy of their bedroom" - have you seen a few examples of Woke books for small kids? Did you notice any signs of indoctrination of kids at elementary school level?

There are more potent videos on YouTube that I would avoid posting here due to TOS.

Here is a really mild one that should show you the tip of the iceberg.

I am all for not going to extremes and I am for freedom.


If LGBT++ community has the right to pursue happiness then NON-LGBT community ALSO has the same right.

Voicing your opinion OK for both parties and doing whatever you want to do in the privacy of your bedroom is also OK - BUT -

If you push your mental sickness onto my kids, then I will speak even louder and take legal channels to resist your "pvt bedroom junk" from pouring into our elementary schools curriculums.

i will repeat, my point is not about acceptance, its about tolerance. i am as opposed to it as the next guy.

Here is another angle from which I hope it will become clear to you. There are posters here who have compared homosexuality to crimes where the rights of another human being are infringed upon such as with the act of paedophilia. They advocate criminalizing one based on one's sexual orientation. Thats where the tolerance part comes in. We disagree with it, but we tolerate it and do not criminilize it because it is not hurting anyone's rights. it is between consenting adults.

So there is a clear difference there. I have already decared my dislike of the lGBTQ++ agenda. So that should not be a point of contention here as far as I am concerned.

 

[Stewie]

[MENTION=151861]Colorblind Genius[/MENTION],

Upon reading your post a second time, I feel I should clarify the other side of the arugment. I am not painting every 1st, 2nd, 3rd .. nth gen pakistani in the UK or US with the broad brush. You can perhaps re-read my posts. My issue is with those who tend to blame "liberalism" as the root cause of all evils in the world. I think it is fair to say it is the liberal view that allowed most of us to settle outside of Pakistan. The RW conservatives we know them today would never have allowed for it to happen.

I cannot speak the dynamic in the UK, but the US was formed on the basis of conservatives who refused to accept the british hegemony. They were the ones who declared the country should accept "the poor, the downtrodden.. " and all that jazz. That conservative thought was in that era, in the 18th century, not the conservative right of today. The modern right of today wants to ban Muslims, started wars in the middle east, etc. Whereas the radical left has its own agenda. My contention from the very beginning is you cannot simply label one side as the evil side and toot the horn of the other side claiming they are right just because their view align with your religious views due to whatever reason.

You have to strike a balance.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

[MENTION=151861]Colorblind Genius[/MENTION],

Upon reading your post a second time, I feel I should clarify the other side of the arugment. I am not painting every 1st, 2nd, 3rd .. nth gen pakistani in the UK or US with the broad brush. You can perhaps re-read my posts. My issue is with those who tend to blame "liberalism" as the root cause of all evils in the world. I think it is fair to say it is the liberal view that allowed most of us to settle outside of Pakistan. The RW conservatives we know them today would never have allowed for it to happen.

I cannot speak the dynamic in the UK, but the US was formed on the basis of conservatives who refused to accept the british hegemony. They were the ones who declared the country should accept "the poor, the downtrodden.. " and all that jazz. That conservative thought was in that era, in the 18th century, not the conservative right of today. The modern right of today wants to ban Muslims, started wars in the middle east, etc. Whereas the radical left has its own agenda. My contention from the very beginning is you cannot simply label one side as the evil side and toot the horn of the other side claiming they are right just because their view align with your religious views due to whatever reason.

You have to strike a balance.

Yes, I have no problem in agreeing with you on this.
It's quite obvious that liberalism is not the cause of all evil.
Matter of fact, there are perhaps more evil people in the conservative world than in the liberal world. Pedophilia, women abuse, human rights violation, animal abuse, corruption, hypocrisy and many other evil practices are rampant in the conservative world. Many third world countries/societies who are supposedly religious and conservatives, are the worse. There are wolves in the religious sheep skin everywhere.

However, not all are evil in the conservative world either. There are millions of good, logical, fair and honest people in the conservative world. Many of them practice a peaceful and morally cautious life. Many are law abiding, tax paying positive contributors of their societies.

And, just like yourself, many are worried about their small kids from getting influenced by this LGBT ++ facet of liberalism.
If they had kept it to their bedrooms then it would all good - but now that it has creeped into books designed for 3 to 4 year old children, it's not a matter of how this mental sickness harms the society? Because the answer is more evident than ever.

Think about t,
What are the chances of your or my kid, turning into a gender identity crisis at the age 5 if they were raised in Pakistan for example? I would say, almost zero.

But here, the same kids are getting exposed to this sickness via school teachers and school books, and yes, we are responsible for it, if God forbids, our school going kid comes homes one day and says, I am a female trapped in the body of a male.

Changing the inheritance and marital laws is one thing but - these sickos are teaching elementary level school kids that the doctor can only guess your gender. It's YOU who will decide what's your gender?

My beef on this push of LGBT++ agenda is mainly on one thing - KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!

 

[Stewie]

Yes, I have no problem in agreeing with you on this.
It's quite obvious that liberalism is not the cause of all evil.
Matter of fact, there are perhaps more evil people in the conservative world than in the liberal world. Pedophilia, women abuse, human rights violation, animal abuse, corruption, hypocrisy and many other evil practices are rampant in the conservative world. Many third world countries/societies who are supposedly religious and conservatives, are the worse. There are wolves in the religious sheep skin everywhere.

However, not all are evil in the conservative world either. There are millions of good, logical, fair and honest people in the conservative world. Many of them practice a peaceful and morally cautious life. Many are law abiding, tax paying positive contributors of their societies.

And, just like yourself, many are worried about their small kids from getting influenced by this LGBT ++ facet of liberalism.
If they had kept it to their bedrooms then it would all good - but now that it has creeped into books designed for 3 to 4 year old children, it's not a matter of how this mental sickness harms the society? Because the answer is more evident than ever.

Think about t,
What are the chances of your or my kid, turning into a gender identity crisis at the age 5 if they were raised in Pakistan for example? I would say, almost zero.

But here, the same kids are getting exposed to this sickness via school teachers and school books, and yes, we are responsible for it, if God forbids, our school going kid comes homes one day and says, I am a female trapped in the body of a male.

Changing the inheritance and marital laws is one thing but - these sickos are teaching elementary level school kids that the doctor can only guess your gender. It's YOU who will decide what's your gender?

My beef on this push of LGBT++ agenda is mainly on one thing - KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!

So far I have not come across an elementary school that teaches this, but i have heard of them. Possibly in the bluest of blue states in the US. I have zero knowledge of the UK education system so I can’t speak to it.
Needless to say, it’s ridiculous. You will confuse children by doing this stuff.

I think we have diverted far enough from the real topic, so perhaps it’s best to put an end to this line of discussion.

 

[SalimBhai]

So far I have not come across an elementary school that teaches this, but i have heard of them. Possibly in the bluest of blue states in the US. I have zero knowledge of the UK education system so I can’t speak to it.
Needless to say, it’s ridiculous. You will confuse children by doing this stuff.

I think we have diverted far enough from the real topic, so perhaps it’s best to put an end to this line of discussion.

My cousin was raised by devout Muslims in a very conservative environment. Was married for a few years to a woman. Still he came out as gay. I knew he was gay from as far as I can remember as a child.

 

[Local.Dada]

I am not a fan of the whole “woke” culture but one maybe good thing that comes out of it is at least the constant need to emphasize to kids not to bully. Reading some posts above or the attitudes of some posters in general I can see the importance of drilling it at a young age.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

My cousin was raised by devout Muslims in a very conservative environment. Was married for a few years to a woman. Still he came out as gay. I knew he was gay from as far as I can remember as a child.

How did you know?

 

[SalimBhai]

How did you know?

He was very effeminate , always.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

My cousin was raised by devout Muslims in a very conservative environment. Was married for a few years to a woman. Still he came out as gay. I knew he was gay from as far as I can remember as a child.

Not really a massive shock, there will be some men who are more effeminate in nature whatever society they are raised in. That isn't the issue, the issue is changing the whole society, which will be overwhelmingly heterosexual, to accommodate the quirky minority. What gay people do behind closed doors is of no concern to me, but I don't want my kids being taught Johnny can marry Steve and have children just because a vocal pressure group feels emboldened to reach for the moon.

 

[Local.Dada]

but I don't want my kids being taught Johnny can marry Steve and have children just because a vocal pressure group feels emboldened to reach for the moon.

Fair enough but there should be some communication that if they come across such couple in the future, not to throw a hissy fit, say the most bigoted things and even do some crazy enough crime.

Not everyone has the maturity of “it’s none of my concern”. Clearly some amount of sensitivity should be inculcated at a young age. Otherwise you will get people who have myopic view towards everything around them except their own people. That’s kind of becoming a problem too and I think it does more damage than some gay couple or transgender.

However I do understand the other side can get equally pushy and obnoxious. That’s were rational thinking prevails. Looks easy but very complicated I guess.

 

[Abel Reames]

Not really a massive shock, there will be some men who are more effeminate in nature whatever society they are raised in. That isn't the issue, the issue is changing the whole society, which will be overwhelmingly heterosexual, to accommodate the quirky minority. What gay people do behind closed doors is of no concern to me, but I don't want my kids being taught Johnny can marry Steve and have children just because a vocal pressure group feels emboldened to reach for the moon.

I guess that is what the white racists of the 70s and 80s thought about dark immigrants. Why did the whole society need to change? Which was overwhelmingly white to accomodate the quirky and their funny food, funny smells and funny ways. They probably didn't want their kids to be taught about multiculturalism, have stories with dark people in them with funny names just because some do-gooders felt emboldened.

 

[Stewie]

I guess that is what the white racists of the 70s and 80s thought about dark immigrants. Why did the whole society need to change? Which was overwhelmingly white to accomodate the quirky and their funny food, funny smells and funny ways. They probably didn't want their kids to be taught about multiculturalism, have stories with dark people in them with funny names just because some do-gooders felt emboldened.

There is more to it than that. May I first ask what religious denomination do you belong to? I ask because the answer has a lot to do with it.

Abrahamic faiths teach you to be kind to a fellow man. They teach you that men have rights and you need to fulfill them. So while most of the dirty south in the US which happened to be extremely conservative eventually were forced to reject racism and slavery (love your fellow man), this topic is still justified basic on the extreme religiosity.

Same with Islam. No arab has superiority over an ajmi (non-arab) or vice verca, except for "takwa". But sodomy is a sin. Quran actually does not have a punishment listed for it but Bible clearly states its death.

So we are comparing two different things altogether here but you have to understand the POV of most whites (christians) and Muslims.

if you happen to be one of other faiths, that are silent on homosexuality, of course, this may sound odd or too prejudiced to you. Hinduism, ancient greek and roman mythologies, etc.... as far as I know, do not have issues with it. Which is why same sex relations were fairly common in ancient greece and rome and not considered taboo.

 

[SalimBhai]

There is more to it than that. May I first ask what religious denomination do you belong to? I ask because the answer has a lot to do with it.

Abrahamic faiths teach you to be kind to a fellow man. They teach you that men have rights and you need to fulfill them. So while most of the dirty south in the US which happened to be extremely conservative eventually were forced to reject racism and slavery (love your fellow man), this topic is still justified basic on the extreme religiosity.

Same with Islam. No arab has superiority over an ajmi (non-arab) or vice verca, except for "takwa". But sodomy is a sin. Quran actually does not have a punishment listed for it but Bible clearly states its death.

So we are comparing two different things altogether here but you have to understand the POV of most whites (christians) and Muslims.

if you happen to be one of other faiths, that are silent on homosexuality, of course, this may sound odd or too prejudiced to you. Hinduism, ancient greek and roman mythologies, etc.... as far as I know, do not have issues with it. Which is why same sex relations were fairly common in ancient greece and rome and not considered taboo.

I think you have to keep religion out of it. Christianity was used to promote slavery in the south. Nobody is pushing gay agenda on anyone. They are asking for equal rights and be treated fairly. . If a story can be taught in school above Steve and marry getting married , then a story can be also taught about Steve and David getting married . Gay people are part of the general population . It’s like saying we can teach white european history but no African American history. They can live. And do whatever but nothing about them will be taught in school. We will look back in 20-30 years and agree on this. The trans, the pronouns, competing in other gender sports is all too much. But I think it’s an over reaction for the push against them. Give it time and they will settle in just fine.

 

[Stewie]

I think you have to keep religion out of it. Christianity was used to promote slavery in the south. Nobody is pushing gay agenda on anyone. They are asking for equal rights and be treated fairly. . If a story can be taught in school above Steve and marry getting married , then a story can be also taught about Steve and David getting married . Gay people are part of the general population . It’s like saying we can teach white european history but no African American history. They can live. And do whatever but nothing about them will be taught in school. We will look back in 20-30 years and agree on this. The trans, the pronouns, competing in other gender sports is all too much. But I think it’s an over reaction for the push against them. Give it time and they will settle in just fine.

I agree with you. I believe most of the people who oppose them, even here, are those who actually think the gay agenda is being forced on them and their children through education and overexposure in media, etc. I can somewhat see that point, although there are some outright falsehoods in that claim as well.

For one, i do not think elementary school children should be confused by being taught about the different genders and sexual orientations. i think they should be allowed to identify themselves organically rather than be continuously told "if you are dressed as a boy, but you think you like being a girl, its ok".

Once they get to middle school and they are in the pre-teen range, its acceptable to tell them about this stuff then.