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'Narendra Modi is a close friend of Israel': Benjamim Netanyahu

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you to my good friend, Indian Prime Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> , who surprised me with a personal welcome at the airport upon my arrival in India. Together we will bring the relations between our countries to new heights! &#55356;&#56814;&#55356;&#56817;&#55356;&#56814;&#55356;&#56819; <a href="https://t.co/bPZftC4caF">pic.twitter.com/bPZftC4caF</a></p>— Benjamin Netanyahu (@netanyahu) <a href="https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/952490280481099776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14 January 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome to India, my friend PM <a href="https://twitter.com/netanyahu?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@netanyahu</a>! Your visit to India is historic and special. It will further cement the close friendship between our nations. <a href="https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IsraeliPM</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShalomNamaste?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ShalomNamaste</a> <a href="https://t.co/sidgMmA1fu">pic.twitter.com/sidgMmA1fu</a></p>— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/952461694567047168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14 January 2018</a></blockquote>
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This is expected as both share a common enemy.

The irony is Mein Kepf is India's best seller! Hitler's book has sold more in India than in any country in the world! - Best Seller
 
Israel can offer benefit for India.. Its a good ally to have and I don’t think any sensible Indian would be against this partnership..
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Teen Murti Chowk is now Teen Murti Haifa Chowk in memory of supreme sacrifice by Indian soldiers to liberate Haifa in Israel in 1918. PM@narendramodi and <a href="https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IsraeliPM</a> Netanhayu laid wreath at Teen Murti memorial. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShalomNamaste?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ShalomNamaste</a> <a href="https://t.co/lcPJB24YEm">pic.twitter.com/lcPJB24YEm</a></p>— Raveesh Kumar (@MEAIndia) <a href="https://twitter.com/MEAIndia/status/952471154823974912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14 January 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 3 bronze statues at Teen Murti represent the Hyderabad, Jodhpur & Mysore Lancers who were part of the 15 Imperial Service Cavalry Brigade that carried out the victorious assault on the city of Haifa on 23 September 1918 during World War I. More pics from the solemn ceremony <a href="https://t.co/qdN6wts5aM">pic.twitter.com/qdN6wts5aM</a></p>— Raveesh Kumar (@MEAIndia) <a href="https://twitter.com/MEAIndia/status/952479169295794176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14 January 2018</a></blockquote>
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I see the usual suspects in India and elsewhere are already whining about Israel and not doing business with a country like theirs.

If you didn't do business with a country which abuses human rights then you'd have no one in the world to do business with at all. China and America have been responsible for the deaths of countless innocent civilians over the past few decades yet I don't hear people saying India shouldn't do business or have ties with them.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Teen Murti Chowk is now Teen Murti Haifa Chowk in memory of supreme sacrifice by Indian soldiers to liberate Haifa in Israel in 1918. PM@narendramodi and <a href="https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IsraeliPM</a> Netanhayu laid wreath at Teen Murti memorial. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShalomNamaste?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ShalomNamaste</a> <a href="https://t.co/lcPJB24YEm">pic.twitter.com/lcPJB24YEm</a></p>— Raveesh Kumar (@MEAIndia) <a href="https://twitter.com/MEAIndia/status/952471154823974912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14 January 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 3 bronze statues at Teen Murti represent the Hyderabad, Jodhpur & Mysore Lancers who were part of the 15 Imperial Service Cavalry Brigade that carried out the victorious assault on the city of Haifa on 23 September 1918 during World War I. More pics from the solemn ceremony <a href="https://t.co/qdN6wts5aM">pic.twitter.com/qdN6wts5aM</a></p>— Raveesh Kumar (@MEAIndia) <a href="https://twitter.com/MEAIndia/status/952479169295794176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14 January 2018</a></blockquote>
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Some facts about the battle of Haifa. It is considered as the last cavalry charge of modern times. Jodhpur Lancers took part in the battle with Major Dalpat Singh Shekhawat and Captain Aman Singh Rathore leading them.
Major Dalpat Singh was martyred and awarded military cross poshtumously .
 
TM Riddle said:
Some facts about the battle of Haifa. It is considered as the last cavalry charge of modern times. Jodhpur Lancers took part in the battle with Major Dalpat Singh Shekhawat and Captain Aman Singh Rathore leading them.
Major Dalpat Singh was martyred and awarded military cross poshtumously .
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As an Indian, do you feel sorry for these men?
 
Madplayer said:
As an Indian, do you feel sorry for these men?
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My great grandfather was a decorated soldier in the WW1 having won Indian Distinguished Service Medal (IDSM) for his bravery shown in Mesopotamian campaign.
His younger brother fought in Africa against the Germans in second world war and was subsequently awarded for his exploits too.
Why would I feel sorry for them?
 
TM Riddle said:
My great grandfather was a decorated soldier in the WW1 having won Indian Distinguished Service Medal (IDSM) for his bravery shown in Mesopotamian campaign.
His younger brother fought in Africa against the Germans in second world war and was subsequently awarded for his exploits too.
Why would I feel sorry for them?
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Very big achievements and truly brave men.

I asked about being sorry because these were not necessarily the indigenous problems of Indians and these precious lives could have been saved if such soldiers werent made to fight foreign wars.
 
Madplayer said:
Very big achievements and truly brave men.

I asked about being sorry because these were not necessarily the indigenous problems of Indians and these precious lives could have been saved if such soldiers werent made to fight foreign wars.
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It has always been the case. Since ancient times common soldiers have been fighting someone's else's wars and examples could be found in almost every region around the world.
Sadly that's how it is.
 
Maybe he’s there to see how 300 million Muslims can live peacefully in a Hindu majority country..
 
160 Million Muslims in India doesn't prove a thing. Consider the number of Christian and Muslim Palestinians in Israel. Exactly.
 
As they say.... "Birds of a feather, flock together"
 
'Modi is a close friend of Israel': Netanyahu kicks off historic India tour in Delhi

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu arrived in New Delhi on Sunday for the first visit by an Israeli leader to India in 15 years, promising closer ties with the regional power.

The visit marks 25 years since India and Israel established diplomatic relations, but comes just weeks after India voted in favour of a United Nations resolution denouncing United States President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

Netanyahu and his wife Sara were welcomed at the international airport in New Delhi by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi who made history in July 2017 when he became the first Indian leader to visit Israel.

Netanyahu will be only the second Israeli PM to visit India and the first since Ariel Sharon in 2003.

Modi ─ who will accompany Netanyahu for large parts of his tour ─ embraced the Israeli prime minister on the tarmac before the pair set off to pay homage at a war memorial in the Indian capital.

The Israeli leader will later meet with Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj before a private dinner with Modi.

Netanyahu's office put out an announcement saying that Modi's greeting was a “surprise welcome” because a Cabinet minister had been scheduled to attend instead.

“I very much appreciate the gesture,” Netanyahu said.

“Your visit to India is historic and special. It will further cement the close friendship between our nations,” Modi said on Twitter.

Bibi's agenda
During Netanyahu's six-day stay the two countries are expected to sign agreements on cybersecurity, energy and space cooperation and film production, India's External Affairs Ministry said.

They're also expected to review progress in implementing agreements on cooperation in technology, water and agriculture that were signed during Modi's visit to Israel.

“This visit is an opportunity to enhance cooperation with a global economic, security, technology and tourism power,” Netanyahu had said in a statement ahead of his visit.

“Indian Prime Minister Modi is a close friend of Israel and of mine.”

Netanyahu is accompanied by the largest-ever business delegation to travel with an Israeli leader.

Executives in technology, agriculture and defence are among those making the journey as Tel Aviv pursues deals with Asia's third-largest economy.

On Monday, Netanyahu will have formal discussions with Modi and call on President Ram Nath Kovind as well as attend an India-Israel CEO Forum Meeting.

Netanyahu expects to make a stop at the Taj Mahal, a visit to Modi's home state of Gujarat and meet with Bollywood luminaries in Mumbai where he will attempt to market Israel as a prime filming location.

He will also make an emotional visit to a Jewish centre targeted in the 2008 Mumbai attacks during his tour, a symbolic gesture to India's tiny and shrinking Jewish community.

Netanyahu will accompany 11-year-old Moshe Holtzberg as the boy returns for the first time to the house where his parents were killed in the attacks that left 166 people dead.

Daniel Carmon, the Israeli ambassador to India, played down India's vote at the UN, describing the relationship as "much stronger than one vote at the UN", adding that Israeli-India ties would withstand any troubles.

“The relationship is an all-weather relationship,” he told reporters Friday, adding it was “so strong and so important to both countries that our feeling is that nothing can reverse it.”

He said Netanyahu was bringing with him 130 businesspeople, “which reflects the enthusiasm in Israel to do more business with India.”

India-Israel ties
Bilateral trade between the countries has skyrocketed from $200 million in 1992, when India and Israel established diplomatic ties, to $4.16 billion in 2016.

But that remains far below Israel's nearly $40bn in annual trade with its largest partners, the United States and the European Union.

Still there are irritants in the growing relationship.

The build up to Netanyahu's visit was soured this month when India called off a deal to buy 8,000 anti-tank guided missiles from Israel's state-owned defence contractor Rafael.

The Indian army and the government are discussing ways to revive the $500 million order, which was scrapped when the country's own state-run defence contractor offered to build similar missiles locally.

Israel is a major weapons supplier to India, exporting an average of $1bn of military equipment each year, but Modi wants to end India's status as the world's top defence importer.

During the Cold War, India didn't have open relations with Israel, leaning heavily in favour of the Palestinians.

But over the past quarter century, the two countries have developed close ties.
 
R3verse Swing said:
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You do realise India probably has 3rd highest Muslim population in the world of any country? Also Modi himself has many Muslim leaders in his party..

Now Hindus and Muslims in India do have their share of problems and lack of trust I won’t deny that but both have learned to live with each other..
 
The reality is Modi has legitimised right-wing Hindu nationalism in India. This is clear as daylight. Muslims (and other minorities) in India are living as second class citizens, in the same way Muslim and Christian Palestinians are living in Israel. This explains the deep love and understanding between Modi and Netanyahu. The two are the most racist and fascist leaders in the world.

Whether it is 6 million or 160 million, Muslims are a minority in India compared to the Billion+ Hindus in India. To claim 160 Million Muslims live in India is the same as saying there are 6 Million Jews living in Germany.

Ask yourself this, who are the top 5 Muslims in Indian government and their respective roles? No? Then ask yourself who are the top 5 Muslims in the BCCI. Still struggling? Ask yourself who are the top 5 Muslims in power in India – full stop.

It's all a mirage.
 
India and Israel always had a good relation. Their military products and technology is very important for India even under Congress government. Its just that this Modi government isn't afraid to be in acceptance of friendship in public.
 
someone21 said:
Not sure if Muslims have learned to live together with them.
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Nah they have well there would be some hardcore ones but there are some who don’t have any issues.. We are a diverse nation got all sort of people in every community..
 
cricketjoshila said:
160mn plus muslims live in India and India has very good relations with most of the muslim nations.
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Hope the Muslims come to their senses and see a man hugging another who probably have a killed a few thousand Muslims between them. But then Muslims rulers of today are shameless.
 
R3verse Swing said:
The reality is Modi has legitimised right-wing Hindu nationalism in India. This is clear as daylight. Muslims (and other minorities) in India are living as second class citizens, in the same way Muslim and Christian Palestinians are living in Israel. This explains the deep love and understanding between Modi and Netanyahu. The two are the most racist and fascist leaders in the world.

Whether it is 6 million or 160 million, Muslims are a minority in India compared to the Billion+ Hindus in India. To claim 160 Million Muslims live in India is the same as saying there are 6 Million Jews living in Germany.

Ask yourself this, who are the top 5 Muslims in Indian government and their respective roles? No? Then ask yourself who are the top 5 Muslims in the BCCI. Still struggling? Ask yourself who are the top 5 Muslims in power in India – full stop.

It's all a mirage.
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No offence but that’s the perception you have made living outside India and reading newspaper..

In previous governments Muslim mafia dons were rampant all over Hindi belt and they and their gurgas were involved in many killings, kidnappings, extortion of Hindu people.. However no one thought it was a Hindu vs Muslim issue..

Even still these mafia’s are running their business of crime not as rampant as before BT in smaller scale they target Hindu business owners for money but its never made a Hindu vs Muslim issue..

The problem in India is socio-economic divide and racism, a rich Muslim will subdue a poor Muslim, a rich Hindu will sub due a poor Hindu.. You will never see a poor Hindu trying to subdue a rich Muslim that won’t ever happen.. (Unless politicians get involved)..

Hope that clears up some of your mis information..
 
Did I just read Jews living in Nazi Germany and Indian Muslims in a same sentence? [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] which concentration camp do you go to? I have heard down south they have got some really nice ones?
 
big_gamer007 said:
No offence but that’s the perception you have made living outside India and reading newspaper..

In previous governments Muslim mafia dons were rampant all over Hindi belt and they and their gurgas were involved in many killings, kidnappings, extortion of Hindu people.. However no one thought it was a Hindu vs Muslim issue..

Even still these mafia’s are running their business of crime not as rampant as before BT in smaller scale they target Hindu business owners for money but its never made a Hindu vs Muslim issue..

The problem in India is socio-economic divide and racism, a rich Muslim will subdue a poor Muslim, a rich Hindu will sub due a poor Hindu.. You will never see a poor Hindu trying to subdue a rich Muslim that won’t ever happen.. (Unless politicians get involved)..

Hope that clears up some of your mis information..
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Your response doesn't clear up anything, but substantiates everything.

You are indeed legitimising Modi’s perception and agenda based on past Muslim mafia. The fact you use the term *mafia* speaks volumes. This proves my point that Modi has legitimised right-wing Hindu nationalism India, in that, if one is not Hindu, then one is a second class citizen in India. A sense of retribution if you will.

The exact principle applies to Israel. Zionists take control of land which was once under Muslim domination, and the Jewish subjugation in the past 2000 years comes to an end. India shares the same feeling, never before in India’s history have Hindus ruled by a majority – special relationship with Netanyahu indeed.

I am amazed by the fact you believe it is not a Muslim vs. Hindu issue given the reasons behind the partition.

However, I still wait in awe of the Top 5 Muslims and their roles in respective facets of India, in addition to Muslim nations which India has very good relations with.
 
Allow me to make myself clear.

  • Netanyahu represents right-wing Jewish ideology – Zionism
  • Modi represents right-wing Hindu ideology – Hindutva.
  • Modern day Israel was dominated/ruled by Muslims.
  • Modern day India was dominated/ruled by Muslims.
  • Netanyahu has legitimised Zionism.
  • Modi has legitimised Hindutva.
  • Muslims are second class citizens in Israel.
  • Muslims are second class citizens in India.
  • Jews have freed themselves of Islamic rule in Israel (Monotheism)
  • Hindus have freed themselves of Islamic rule in India (Mughal)
  • Zionists are in control of Israel after 2000 years.
  • Hindutvas are in control of India after 2000 years.

Let’s not kid ourselves, Islam is the common enemy shared between Israel and India. This entire facade that India/Israel ties are due to business and trade is exactly that, a facade, a smoke screen.

Best! :)
 
R3verse Swing said:
Your response doesn't clear up anything, but substantiates everything.

You are indeed legitimising Modi’s perception and agenda based on past Muslim mafia. The fact you use the term *mafia* speaks volumes. This proves my point that Modi has legitimised right-wing Hindu nationalism India, in that, if one is not Hindu, then one is a second class citizen in India. A sense of retribution if you will.

The exact principle applies to Israel. Zionists take control of land which was once under Muslim domination, and the Jewish subjugation in the past 2000 years comes to an end. India shares the same feeling, never before in India’s history have Hindus ruled by a majority – special relationship with Netanyahu indeed.

I am amazed by the fact you believe it is not a Muslim vs. Hindu issue given the reasons behind the partition.

However, I still wait in awe of the Top 5 Muslims and their roles in respective facets of India, in addition to Muslim nations which India has very good relations with.
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No what I am saying is that if you are not rich or powerful you will be treated as a second class citizen irrespective of religion...

Ofcourse Hindu v Muslim friction happens no one would deny that but what BJP is doing is to bring hindutva agenda and gather support of Hindus in Hindi belt. But the same Hindus who support Modi are divided themselves on basis of caste...

In my social circle no Hindu actually cares about what happened 1000 years ago what they want is good standard of living.. Now maybe what you say is the mindset in smaller towns I would not know but here I haven’t met anyone who cares about Muslim or Muslim invaders of past.. Heck some are so ignorant they don’t even know much about history..

Didn’t UAE promise to invest some billions of dollars in India? We have good relations with everyone from Malaysia, Indonesia to Iran, Saudi, Jordan and entire Arab world.. Apart from Pakistan we are ok with everyone else..
 
MenInG said:
Hope the Muslims come to their senses and see a man hugging another who probably have a killed a few thousand Muslims between them. But then Muslims rulers of today are shameless.
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Would you want Pakistan to have good ties with Israel?
 
MenInG said:
Hope the Muslims come to their senses and see a man hugging another who probably have a killed a few thousand Muslims between them. But then Muslims rulers of today are shameless.
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So Muslims should only come to senses about killing of Muslims? Why should Indian Muslims care more about Palestinian Muslims more than Pakistani Hindus or some Christians in Africa who are being cleansed in some country?

Shouldn’t all life be equal?

And if you look at it in a selfish way Indian Muslim gains more for himself if Standard of living in India is improved even the slightest by having friendly relations with Israel.
 
big_gamer007 said:
So Muslims should only come to senses about killing of Muslims? Why should Indian Muslims care more about Palestinian Muslims more than Pakistani Hindus or some Christians in Africa who are being cleansed in some country?

Shouldn’t all life be equal?

And if you look at it in a selfish way Indian Muslim gains more for himself if Standard of living in India is improved even the slightest by having friendly relations with Israel.
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I suppose its a question of understanding our faith. I wont say more.
 
India needs to do more than photo op, voting in favor of Palestine (UN)and not refraining like Aus and Canada was pretty much a stupid move.
 
big_gamer007 said:
So Muslims should only come to senses about killing of Muslims? Why should Indian Muslims care more about Palestinian Muslims more than Pakistani Hindus or some Christians in Africa who are being cleansed in some country?

Shouldn’t all life be equal?

And if you look at it in a selfish way Indian Muslim gains more for himself if Standard of living in India is improved even the slightest by having friendly relations with Israel.
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Muslims care about Muslims all around the World and believe in Islamic Brotherhood. Don't see everything with only selfish perspective of personal benefit of standard of living.
 
It's remarkable how selective people are when it comes to the deaths of their brothers and sisters in faith.

Bashar Al-Assad and his forces have killed more innocent Muslims in the last 5 years than Israel have in its entire existence and while we see numerous protests in the Muslim world about Israel and it's leaders the same protesters are silent on Syria.

The Saudi Arabians have killed more innocent Muslims in Yemen over the last 2-3 years than Israel have over that period yet no one ever protests a Saudi-India bilateral visit in the same way they do an Israel-India one.

1000s and 1000s of innocent Muslims died at the hands of America under George W Bush and Barack Obama yet they, especially the latter, are treated like royalty all over the world and no one ever moaned about America-India bilateral visits.

Why the double standards? Why are Muslim deaths so much more serious to some when it's a Jew or a Hindu doing the killing?
 
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India needs to do more than photo op, voting in favor of Palestine (UN)and not refraining like Aus and Canada was pretty much a stupid move.
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They also recently scrapped the 500 million dollar deal with an Israeli military form for manufacturing anti tank guided missile.
 
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Muslims care about Muslims all around the World and believe in Islamic Brotherhood. Don't see everything with only selfish perspective of personal benefit of standard of living.
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Does it actually exist?? I mean seeing around the world it seems Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone else and it feels like every Muslim segment wants to say their ideology or way of practise of Islam is the purest and they try to force than on others..

Would you see Jordan/Saudi/Kuwait etc sending it’s army if tomorrow Pakistan goes to war against let’s say India or USA or China?
 
Gabbar Singh said:
It's remarkable how selective people are when it comes to the deaths of their brothers and sisters in faith.

Bashar Al-Assad and his forces have killed more innocent Muslims in the last 5 years than Israel have in its entire existence and while we see numerous protests in the Muslim world about Israel and it's leaders the same protesters are silent on Syria.

The Saudi Arabians have killed more innocent Muslims in Yemen over the last 2-3 years than Israel have over that period yet no one ever protests a Saudi-India bilateral visit in the same way they do an Israel-India one.

1000s and 1000s of innocent Muslims died at the hands of America under George W Bush and Barack Obama yet they, especially the latter, are treated like royalty all over the world and no one ever moaned about America-India bilateral visits.

Why the double standards? Why are Muslim deaths so much more serious to some when it's a Jew or a Hindu doing the killing?
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Exactly my post, thank you for putting it in better words. [MENTION=102121]hafeezrocks[/MENTION]
 
MenInG said:
I suppose its a question of understanding our faith. I wont say more.
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Sorry Miggy bru, this is my biggest concern with Muslims and Islamic world.
Muslims wants to be treated equally and want to given the same privileges in non Muslim nation. But Muslims feel extra special for another ‘Muslim’ life as they are brotherhood. Isn’t that contradictory. Human life is a human life, simple.


I donated for Pakistani earthquake considering I don’t different Hindu or a Muslim life. If non Muslims start to think that way they are not part of brotherhood as we are no Muslims, we will alienate ourselves from Muslims and will never help Muslims.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
It's remarkable how selective people are when it comes to the deaths of their brothers and sisters in faith.

Bashar Al-Assad and his forces have killed more innocent Muslims in the last 5 years than Israel have in its entire existence and while we see numerous protests in the Muslim world about Israel and it's leaders the same protesters are silent on Syria.

The Saudi Arabians have killed more innocent Muslims in Yemen over the last 2-3 years than Israel have over that period yet no one ever protests a Saudi-India bilateral visit in the same way they do an Israel-India one.

1000s and 1000s of innocent Muslims died at the hands of America under George W Bush and Barack Obama yet they, especially the latter, are treated like royalty all over the world and no one ever moaned about America-India bilateral visits.

Why the double standards? Why are Muslim deaths so much more serious to some when it's a Jew or a Hindu doing the killing?
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What double standards? Have not seen the voices raised against Assad or the bombing of Yemen?

The clear difference is these are recent conflicts which will end soon. Israel has been oppressing Palestinians for decade and it's only getting worse. Israel and the US were also involved in destablising Syria and we all know Saudi is a puppet regime who is bombing Yemen with US and western weapons.
 
rahulrulezz said:
Sorry Miggy bru, this is my biggest concern with Muslims and Islamic world.
Muslims wants to be treated equally and want to given the same privileges in non Muslim nation. But Muslims feel extra special for another ‘Muslim’ life as they are brotherhood. Isn’t that contradictory. Human life is a human life, simple.


I donated for Pakistani earthquake considering I don’t different Hindu or a Muslim life. If non Muslims start to think that way they are not part of brotherhood as we are no Muslims, we will alienate ourselves from Muslims and will never help Muslims.
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but does caring for Palestinians cant be a bad thing then?
 
There is no point in calling out hypocrisy of selective Islamic brotherhood, everyone knows its there, not sure what your aim here is [MENTION=7898]Gabbar Singh[/MENTION] [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] , you just want them to accept it?

Clearly the articles on China,UK,America what they have done to Muslims is there to see.
 
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Why is this actor who seems a bit of a clown also befriending Israelis? Anyone know the background to this?
 
JaDed said:
There is no point in calling out hypocrisy of selective Islamic brotherhood, everyone knows its there, not sure what your aim here is [MENTION=7898]Gabbar Singh[/MENTION] [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] , you just want them to accept it?

Clearly the articles on China,UK,America what they have done to Muslims is there to see.
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I wouldn’t have bothered quoting it if it was someone other than MIG bhai.. But yes let’s leave it there..
 
KingKhanWC said:
What double standards? Have not seen the voices raised against Assad or the bombing of Yemen?

The clear difference is these are recent conflicts which will end soon. Israel has been oppressing Palestinians for decade and it's only getting worse. Israel and the US were also involved in destablising Syria and we all know Saudi is a puppet regime who is bombing Yemen with US and western weapons.
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And Jews have been persecuted by Muslims for Centuries ... you think they were not going to retaliate at some point ? What goes around comes around ... but not one bit surprised that Muslims pretending to be the uber saints who did absolutely nothing wrong historically or current or future.
 
Tusker said:
And Jews have been persecuted by Muslims for Centuries ... you think they were not going to retaliate at some point ? What goes around comes around ... but not one bit surprised that Muslims pretending to be the uber saints who did absolutely nothing wrong historically or current or future.
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Err, Jews have been persecuted more by the Christians, Romans and Europeans.
 
Tusker said:
And Jews have been persecuted by Muslims for Centuries ... you think they were not going to retaliate at some point ? What goes around comes around ... but not one bit surprised that Muslims pretending to be the uber saints who did absolutely nothing wrong historically or current or future.
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Can you provide more details?
 
Tusker said:
you need to re-visit history ... would help if you read from authentic sources .
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Educate me.

Christians persecuted Jews after Christ was crucified. The Romans destroyed Jews from 60AD onwards. Jews were banished from modern day Israel and scattered through Europe. England persecuted Jews. Jews in Europe were persecuted for a millennium, not forgetting Hitler and his antics.

Oh Islam came much later on, around 630 AD. Long after Christians and the Romans.

You are just making stuff up.

Perhaps you need to re-visit your school and ask for a refund?
 
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are you serious ? :facepalm:

here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

this is just a drop in the ocean .... at one point of time in history the Middle East was dominated by Jews.
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Got to laugh. This coming from one who said read authentic sources. Like Wiki?

The links you cite barley refer to persecution.

Since we are on the topic of Wiki, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews

Muslims barley make the footnote.
 
Jews were banished from the Middle East since the Romans occupied Palestine. A handful of Jews remained, but the majority migrated to Europe where they suffered persecution at the hands of the English, Europeans, and the Russians.
 
TM Riddle said:
Just landed at Palam airport.
Long live Indo Jewish friendship!
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I think you meant to say Hindu Jewish friendship? You cannot use one part of relationship country wise and other part of relationship as religion wise.
 
Tusker said:
are you serious ? :facepalm:

here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

this is just a drop in the ocean .... at one point of time in history the Middle East was dominated by Jews.
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You have provided a link which refers to late 1940's and onwards. According to my maths this isn't centuries which you claimed and Jews at this time left to move to Israel. After the war with Israel of course Jews were maligned.

Now can you back up your claim please and show me these centuries of persecution? You are confusing this with Christians who persecuted Jews and Muslims gave them protection for many hundreds of years.
 
KingKhanWC said:
You have provided a link which refers to late 1940's and onwards. According to my maths this isn't centuries which you claimed and Jews at this time left to move to Israel. After the war with Israel of course Jews were maligned.

Now can you back up your claim please and show me these centuries of persecution? You are confusing this with Christians who persecuted Jews and Muslims gave them protection for many hundreds of years.
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lookup what happened to the various Jewish tribes during the very 1st Century of Islam and the Sunnah to back that up posted above. How do you think a thriving Jewish community spread all over the Middle east is practically non-existant today ? Same exact way that parts of Indian Subcontinent are now 99% Muslim. But then ofcourse the version of history that is taught in the schools from where you come from has perhaps "alternate facts" ?
 
Tusker said:
lookup what happened to the various Jewish tribes during the very 1st Century of Islam and the Sunnah to back that up posted above. How do you think a thriving Jewish community spread all over the Middle east is practically non-existant today ? Same exact way that parts of Indian Subcontinent are now 99% Muslim. But then ofcourse the version of history that is taught in the schools from where you come from has perhaps "alternate facts" ?
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Did you attend one of Tommy Robinsons lectures?

So now you have changed from centuries of persecution to the first century of Islam. Let me give you a clue . You are struggling to back up your claim because it was a false claim.

Let me ask you a simple question.

Throughout history Jews have been persecuted more by Christians or Muslims?
 
MenInG said:
Hope the Muslims come to their senses and see a man hugging another who probably have a killed a few thousand Muslims between them. But then Muslims rulers of today are shameless.
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Israel is a strategic and defense partner of India and relations with Israel is good for 1.3bn Indians, irrespective of their religion.

When Israel supplied India with advance weapons during 71 and 99 wars they didnot think that these weapons will be used to defend millions of Muslims as well.Why should India think about what other issues Israel has. The point is what is good for the country has to be done, irrespective of the religion.

Israel's issues with Palestine is their issue with Palestine, India should stay miles away from it.

Coming to other muslim rulers, well they have their own national interests to look after.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Did you attend one of Tommy Robinsons lectures?

So now you have changed from centuries of persecution to the first century of Islam.
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no ...just started from Day1 ... and also gave you the religious basis for it which is damning ... whats your response ? Let me guess "dance around it"
 
R3verse Swing said:
The reality is Modi has legitimised right-wing Hindu nationalism in India. This is clear as daylight. Muslims (and other minorities) in India are living as second class citizens, in the same way Muslim and Christian Palestinians are living in Israel. This explains the deep love and understanding between Modi and Netanyahu. The two are the most racist and fascist leaders in the world.

Whether it is 6 million or 160 million, Muslims are a minority in India compared to the Billion+ Hindus in India. To claim 160 Million Muslims live in India is the same as saying there are 6 Million Jews living in Germany.

Ask yourself this, who are the top 5 Muslims in Indian government and their respective roles? No? Then ask yourself who are the top 5 Muslims in the BCCI. Still struggling? Ask yourself who are the top 5 Muslims in power in India – full stop.

It's all a mirage.
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Who are you to decide the status of Indian muslims i their own country? Just because Indian muslims follow a secular law and live with people of various religion and mostly peacefully they are second class?

Indian muslims didnot need the Pakistanis in 1947 and they do not need you now.Go look after your own minorities who keep migrating to India.
 
R3verse Swing said:
Allow me to make myself clear.

  • Netanyahu represents right-wing Jewish ideology – Zionism
  • Modi represents right-wing Hindu ideology – Hindutva.
  • Modern day Israel was dominated/ruled by Muslims.
  • Modern day India was dominated/ruled by Muslims.
  • Netanyahu has legitimised Zionism.
  • Modi has legitimised Hindutva.
  • Muslims are second class citizens in Israel.
  • Muslims are second class citizens in India.
  • Jews have freed themselves of Islamic rule in Israel (Monotheism)
  • Hindus have freed themselves of Islamic rule in India (Mughal)
  • Zionists are in control of Israel after 2000 years.
  • Hindutvas are in control of India after 2000 years.

Let’s not kid ourselves, Islam is the common enemy shared between Israel and India. This entire facade that India/Israel ties are due to business and trade is exactly that, a facade, a smoke screen.

Best! :)
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ISPR propoganda means ZERO to the world.
 
hafeezrocks said:
Muslims care about Muslims all around the World and believe in Islamic Brotherhood. Don't see everything with only selfish perspective of personal benefit of standard of living.
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Do not generalise your views on everyone. I have lived my entire life with Indians who follow Islam and they care more about fellow Indians than some foreigner of whatever religion.

This false sense of brotherhood and belief that Indian muslims will start a civil war in India in case of a war with Pakistan cause serious issues for Pakistan in 65.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Who are you to decide the status of Indian muslims i their own country? Just because Indian muslims follow a secular law and live with people of various religion and mostly peacefully they are second class?

Indian muslims didnot need the Pakistanis in 1947 and they do not need you now.Go look after your own minorities who keep migrating to India.
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Touchy touchy.

This is a discussion on India and Israel leaders, no need to get emotional. Stop pretending the 2 leaders have nothing in common. They are both Right-wing religious nationalists who by stealth make the lives of minorities a living hell. This is a documented fact. It's is an insult to intelligence to claim both India and Israel are secular, when both their leaders implement a religious agenda and promote religious nationalism.
 
R3verse Swing said:
Touchy touchy.

This is a discussion on India and Israel leaders, no need to get emotional. Stop pretending the 2 leaders have nothing in common. They are both Right-wing religious nationalists who by stealth make the lives of minorities a living hell. This is a documented fact. It's is an insult to intelligence to claim both India and Israel are secular, when both their leaders implement a religious agenda and promote religious nationalism.
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Let Indian Muslims be the judge of that,or Pakistanis will be providing enlightenment to them about how good it is there with PML ruling?

BJP is a party and we have many political parties here ,they might be here today 10 years down the line it would be some other which would lean towards center-left then suddenly will it be ok?
Better to have a system which corrects itself rather than a biased constitution.
 
R3verse Swing said:
Touchy touchy.

This is a discussion on India and Israel leaders, no need to get emotional. Stop pretending the 2 leaders have nothing in common. They are both Right-wing religious nationalists who by stealth make the lives of minorities a living hell. This is a documented fact. It's is an insult to intelligence to claim both India and Israel are secular, when both their leaders implement a religious agenda and promote religious nationalism.
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Its an insult to secularism to have people of a religious republic talk about secularism.


The two countries have their common geo strategic interests and thats the common ground of the two leaders.

Now go try to make the lives of minorities i your country better so that they dont run to other countries.
 
JaDed said:
Let Indian Muslims be the judge of that,or Pakistanis will be providing enlightenment to them about how good it is there with PML ruling?

BJP is a party and we have many political parties here ,they might be here today 10 years down the line it would be some other which would lean towards center-left then suddenly will it be ok?
Better to have a system which corrects itself rather than a biased constitution.
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Some people cant accept that most muslims can live peacefully with hindus for so many years. Defeats their propoganda.

Indian muslims have time and time again asked Pakistanis to mind their own business, they dont seem to get it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Its an insult to secularism to have people of a religious republic talk about secularism.


The two countries have their common geo strategic interests and thats the common ground of the two leaders.

Now go try to make the lives of minorities i your country better so that they dont run to other countries.
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This thread is not about Pakistan or Pakistanis.

The geo-strategic interests you speak of reek of contradictions. For example, on one hand India is friends with many Muslim nations, including Iran, on the other hand Israel despises practically every Muslim nation with Iran on top of the list. Common strategy/ground? Not even by any stretch of the imagination.

By the way, how is Yogi Adityanath doing these days? I only ask because my previous questions on Muslim representation in the higher echelons of Indian Government were ignored. Simply highlighting how Modi and his government continue marginalising Muslims (and other minorities) in India, along with anti-Muslim rhetoric, the same way Netanyahu is in Israel.
 
Tusker said:
no ...just started from Day1 ... and also gave you the religious basis for it which is damning ... whats your response ? Let me guess "dance around it"
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So according to you since the first day Islam came until now Jews have been persecuted by Muslims? lol

My response is simple and factual which I have already provided, Jews were given sanctuary by Muslims as they were persecuted by Christians for hundreds of years.

I ask again, please answer. Was it Christians or Muslims who persecuted Jews the most? Clue: Christians believe the Jews put Jesus on the cross.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Exactly my post, thank you for putting it in better words. [MENTION=102121]hafeezrocks[/MENTION]
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How many muslims did Pak Army kill in 1971?

Will anyone tell why Zia Ul Haq was commanding the Jordan Army againist Palestinians during 1970 black september?
 
R3verse Swing said:
This thread is not about Pakistan or Pakistanis.

The geo-strategic interests you speak of reek of contradictions. For example, on one hand India is friends with many Muslim nations, including Iran, on the other hand Israel despises practically every Muslim nation with Iran on top of the list. Common strategy/ground? Not even by any stretch of the imagination.

By the way, how is Yogi Adityanath doing these days? I only ask because my previous questions on Muslim representation in the higher echelons of Indian Government were ignored. Simply highlighting how Modi and his government continue marginalising Muslims (and other minorities) in India, along with anti-Muslim rhetoric, the same way Netanyahu is in Israel.
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So if you would talk about secularism or treatment of minorities, you expect not to be shown a mirror?

Its not contraindication, its diplomatic balancing. Just like we can get Russia to give us Nuke Subs or S400s and at the same time get Rafale from France and F16s or F18s from USA. Thats the strength of my nation.

Modi can get the highest civilian award in Saudi, get a reception by the UAE/AbuDhabi crown prince and his brothers at airport and also call Netanyahu his friend.

Modi or Yogi or anyone is bound by Indian laws and those laws give Muslims equal rights in India. No one can change it.
 
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