Narendra Modi Makes First Visit to Israel by Indian PM, Ignores Palestine

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Narendra Modi will arrive in Israel on Tuesday in the first visit to the country by an Indian prime minister, marking an historic turning point in burgeoning relations after decades of frozen ties.

Rooted in anti-imperialism, anti-colonialism, and Third Worldism, India has traditionally been a vocal supporter of the Palestinians, initially shunning diplomatic relations with Israel and remaining on good terms with the Arab world.

India voted against the 1947 UN partition plan of British Mandate Palestine and was the first non-Arab country to recognise the authority of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO).

India is now Israel's biggest arms market, buying weapons at an average of $1 billion each year.

In April, state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries said India would buy nearly $2 billion worth of weapons technology, making it the military exporting giant's largest ever defence contract.

The deal will see IAI provide India with an advanced defence system of medium-range surface-to-air missiles, launchers and communications technology.

Historic support for Palestine wanes

Modi will not travel to Ramallah during his visit, the seat of the Palestinian Authority, breaking with customary protocol where leaders maintain a balance in political ties.

"Narendra Modi's visit to Israel will only strengthen its occupation of Palestine," said Asaduddin Owaisi, a member of India's federal parliament from a regional group that promotes Muslim rights, according to Reuters.

President Abbas's diplomatic adviser Majdi ElKhaldi told The Hindu newspaper this week that India's relations must not come at the "expense of ties" with Palestine, but relations have weakened since Modi's election.

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[ShadabFakhar]

The prison wardens pretending to be leaders.

 

[Asim_khan]

Fair enough really, a strong alliance with Israel benefits India more than any perceived loyalty to a Palestinian state or people. It's what Modi's hindutva Bhakhts have been crying out for.

Also with the majority of gulf states seeing Iran as public enemy number one, it will be brushed under the carpet and so India will maintain strong ties with both the 'Arab league' and Israeli's.

Only downside is India have historically come out against apartheid, ignoring Palestinian suffering will undo alot of that good work, but morality is out and making money and siding with power is in.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Fair enough really, a strong alliance with Israel benefits India more than any perceived loyalty to a Palestinian state or people. It's what Modi's hindutva Bhakhts have been crying out for.

Also with the majority of gulf states seeing Iran as public enemy number one, it will be brushed under the carpet and so India will maintain strong ties with both the 'Arab league' and Israeli's.

Only downside is India have historically come out against apartheid, ignoring Palestinian suffering will undo alot of that good work, but morality is out and making money and siding with power is in.

Morality has been out of Indian politics for a while. All about the moneh

 

[Finisher]

After America, India is Israel's closest alley

 

[Pakpak]

India does what is best for its interest.

Unlike our nation which bows and scrapes.

 

[czar]

Who has stopped Pakistan from developing relations with Israel which will help them in the long run?

Khaam khaa poore Ummah ka theka apne kandho pe le rakha hai.

 

[troodon]

how long can Pak ignore Israel?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

how long can Pak ignore Israel?

As long as the population supports ignoring them. Pakistan is as free to bow and scrape to nations of it's own choosing every bit as much as India is.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It was the BNP government which bascially sold it's soul to the Zionist Devil when war criminal Ariel Sharon visited India and made the alliance.

Israel's occupation of Palestine is similar to India's occupation of Kashmir, both even use the same weapons at times to oppress people. India under a Hindu extremist government have issue with Muslims so they chose to get into bed with Zionists as both have the same percieved ememies.

 

[Varun]

Seems like a red carpet welcome. Never seen it in any of the other countries this year!

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[Asim_khan]

He's had a few of these. Medals around the neck, huge manhugs, sadly from a humanitarian perspective the majority are from leaders who figure quite highly on human rights craplists.

It isn't gonna help him get rid of the 'butcher of gujarat' tag, but going by the company he keeps, maybe he sees it as a badge of honour

 

[santos11]

India is an ally of Iran as well as Israel. Great diplomacy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He's had a few of these. Medals around the neck, huge manhugs, sadly from a humanitarian perspective the majority are from leaders who figure quite highly on human rights craplists.

It isn't gonna help him get rid of the 'butcher of gujarat' tag, but going by the company he keeps, maybe he sees it as a badge of honour

From America to Japan via UK and France and Saudi and UAE to Australia.Modi has been getting the red carpet everywhere.There is no butcher of gujarat or any tag.He has been exonerated by courts.

 

[Pakpak]

India gets on great with Iran, Israel and Arabs. No compromises when it comes to their interests, shame we haven't learnt that.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

It was the BNP government which bascially sold it's soul to the Zionist Devil when war criminal Ariel Sharon visited India and made the alliance.

Israel's occupation of Palestine is similar to India's occupation of Kashmir, both even use the same weapons at times to oppress people. India under a Hindu extremist government have issue with Muslims so they chose to get into bed with Zionists as both have the same percieved ememies.

Both benefit from and support anti-muslim sentiment in the occupied territories. Both use the exaggerated narrative of terrorism to suppress their victims.

Many Muslims are quick to call it 'victim mentality' when Muslims rightly protest injustice but here are two prime examples of the ground reality.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India voted againist Israel in UNHCR againist Gaza bombings in 2016.Has supported the Palestinian cause and unequivocally supports Palestine states right to exist.But India will not pledge its national interests especially when Hamas now has huge influence on PLA.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Modi is doing what's in the best economic and strategic interests of India - if that means dining with bad people then so be it. Israel hasn't committed 1% of the human right abuses that the Americans have over the years yet no one whines when world leaders visit the white house at any opportunity they have.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India gets on great with Iran, Israel and Arabs. No compromises when it comes to their interests, shame we haven't learnt that.

Thats how national interests go.National Interests are above and beyond anything.Religion Language Region or anything else.

 

[Varun]

Supporting Palestine didn't get us anywhere from 1947 - 1992 though. Sympathies to them, but let them solve their own mess. If anything, the Arabs, Pakistanis, Turkish etc. should be putting boots on the ground if they care so much but they don't. Also, the Palestinians can offer us nothing in return - trade is a two way street.

Our relations with Israel since 1992 have been a diplomatic masterstroke, considering that we also have to balance that bilateral with the Arabs, and Iran. In addition, there are 180 million Muslims in India (who vote as a block), we import 2.6 million barrels of crude daily from OPEC and there are a lot of Indians who live in the Gulf states.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Modi is doing what's in the best economic and strategic interests of India - if that means dining with bad people then so be it. Israel hasn't committed 1% of the human right abuses that the Americans have over the years yet no one whines when world leaders visit the white house at any opportunity they have.

What about higher than everest and sweeter than honey friend china?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Supporting Palestine didn't get us anywhere from 1947 - 1992 though. Sympathies to them, but let them solve their own mess. If anything, the Arabs, Pakistanis, Turkish etc. should be putting boots on the ground if they care so much but they don't. Also, the Palestinians can offer us nothing in return - trade is a two way street.

Our relations with Israel since 1992 have been a diplomatic masterstroke, considering that we also have to balance that bilateral with the Arabs, and Iran. In addition, there are 180 million Muslims in India (who vote as a block), we import 2.6 million barrels of crude daily from OPEC and there are a lot of Indians who live in the Gulf states.

When crown prince of Abudhabi came to receive Modi.When Saudis awarded him their highest award i wonder what pakistanis had to say.

 

[Varun]

When crown prince of Abudhabi came to receive Modi.When Saudis awarded him their highest award i wonder what pakistanis had to say.

The more I read about this subject it seems the only country that cares about Palestine is Pakistan. And even that seems a mere paper relationship at best.

 

[shaz619]

Supporting Palestine didn't get us anywhere from 1947 - 1992 though. Sympathies to them, but let them solve their own mess. If anything, the Arabs, Pakistanis, Turkish etc. should be putting boots on the ground if they care so much but they don't. Also, the Palestinians can offer us nothing in return - trade is a two way street.

Our relations with Israel since 1992 have been a diplomatic masterstroke, considering that we also have to balance that bilateral with the Arabs, and Iran. In addition, there are 180 million Muslims in India (who vote as a block), we import 2.6 million barrels of crude daily from OPEC and there are a lot of Indians who live in the Gulf states.

Yet the UK are in bed with Israel for the same reasons but Indians criticise foreign policy when it's not benefiting them and also due to the British Raj, it's very hypocritical. I prefer it if my government spent it's money a lot more efficiently on things like education for example then defence, am not sure why you'd feel any different; we can both agree that it's not ethical the aggression in Palestine in Gaza yes ? and economic justifications are just an excuse if you ask me.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Both are enemies of Pakistan, Israel see Pakistan as a long term risk to their false state while BJP are not over the days when Muslims ruled the lands.

What these nations don't realise is , they can't defeat Pakistan together but can only oppress innocent poor people. Israel is surrounded by nations which will forever be a threat to it's existance and India has nearly 200 million Muslims who one day will realise right wing Hindu goverments are a threat to them too and stand up against them.

 

[Pakpak]

Both are enemies of Pakistan, Israel see Pakistan as a long term risk to their false state while BJP are not over the days when Muslims ruled the lands.

What these nations don't realise is , they can't defeat Pakistan together but can only oppress innocent poor people. Israel is surrounded by nations which will forever be a threat to it's existance and India has nearly 200 million Muslims who one day will realise right wing Hindu goverments are a threat to them too and stand up against them.

Saudi Arabia, backing Israelis against Iran, Egypt and Turkey (both with deep ties to Israel) and broken Syria and a useless Lebanon are hardly any threats to them.

Arab states have neither cared nor will they about Palestine, hence Indians have no worry when it comes to deepening their ties. There is no threat of boycott. Heck Arabs refuse to take our side when it comes to India, never mind Palestine.

Israel is here to stay, that's a fact. Not condoning the brutality Palestininans go through ofcourse.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Saudi Arabia, backing Israelis against Iran, Egypt and Turkey (both with deep ties to Israel) and broken Syria and a useless Lebanon are hardly any threats to them.

Arab states have neither cared nor will they about Palestine, hence Indians have no worry when it comes to deepening their ties. There is no threat of boycott. Heck Arabs refuse to take our side when it comes to India, never mind Palestine.

Israel is here to stay, that's a fact. Not condoning the brutality Palestininans go through ofcourse.

Here's a fact...for 200 years Palestine was dominated by Crusaders. If you was alive then , you would have said the same for them as you're saying now for Israel. The Zionist entity hasnt even reached half the time of the Crusaders. Power and might changes but one thing which wont change is the demographics of the region, from all sides it will be dominated by Muslims and one day Israel will be in the history books. Only a naive person who lacks basic logic and common sense would deny this.

 

[Pakpak]

Here's a fact...for 200 years Palestine was dominated by Crusaders. If you was alive then , you would have said the same for them as you're saying now for Israel. The Zionist entity hasnt even reached half the time of the Crusaders. Power and might changes but one thing which wont change is the demographics of the region, from all sides it will be dominated by Muslims and one day Israel will be in the history books. Only a naive person who lacks basic logic and common sense would deny this.

Only a naive and a completely deluded person would think a nuclear power is simply going to vanish. They are a brutal and an occupying power but they aren't going anywhere. That's a fact, the quicker you accept it the better. All this ''history books, one day'' looks good and dramatic but it only does so on an internet forum but is far detached from reality. Nukes change everything. Hence the reason why India will never capture Pakistan nor will any country dare attack us like they did Iraq.

Whining about Israel is useless as nothing will happen to them. For them to be seriously affected the Arab states and the Americans would together to have boycott them. Even if everyone does, as long the US supports them nothing will happen. All these ban McDonalds or KFC nonsense is only a social media circus. Till the day they are backed by Uncle Sam nothing will happen to them. And their nukes ensure they will never be beaten militarily.

 

[Varun]

Here's a fact...for 200 years Palestine was dominated by Crusaders. If you was alive then , you would have said the same for them as you're saying now for Israel. The Zionist entity hasnt even reached half the time of the Crusaders. Power and might changes but one thing which wont change is the demographics of the region, from all sides it will be dominated by Muslims and one day Israel will be in the history books. Only a naive person who lacks basic logic and common sense would deny this.

Quite pitiful that there is effectively a 17:1 geographical ratio of enemy states around Israel yet they have survived and thrived for 70 years and counting.

Equally, it speaks volumes about the (lack of) potency and virility the 17 states in question. The likes of Egypt and Jordan have already seen the light, pushed for peace, and established diplomatic relations with Israel over time.

The Muslim states are however champions of lip service on this subject, the Saudi Arabians and British Pakistanis in particular. But when it comes to invasion or prospect of capturing whatever mosque this entire squabble arose from? Chicken feet.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

how long can Pak ignore Israel?

Hopefully forever Considering Israel tried to bomb Pakistan in the past like it has with pretty much every Muslim country that was developing serious military capability. It's well documented that the reason the mission was never commenced was because Pakistan had the same f-16s due to the Russian threat and hence it was to risky for Israel at the time

 

[KingKhanWC]

Only a naive and a completely deluded person would think a nuclear power is simply going to vanish. They are a brutal and an occupying power but they aren't going anywhere. That's a fact, the quicker you accept it the better. All this ''history books, one day'' looks good and dramatic but it only does so on an internet forum but is far detached from reality. Nukes change everything. Hence the reason why India will never capture Pakistan nor will any country dare attack us like they did Iraq.

Whining about Israel is useless as nothing will happen to them. For them to be seriously affected the Arab states and the Americans would together to have boycott them. Even if everyone does, as long the US supports them nothing will happen. All these ban McDonalds or KFC nonsense is only a social media circus. Till the day they are backed by Uncle Sam nothing will happen to them. And their nukes ensure they will never be beaten militarily.

Israel is very small, one nuke will end their existance forever. When America falls from being the worlds superpower, it's days will be numbered. It will start wars out of desperation and in return be wiped off the earth. It's going to be horrific for the people in the holy land, Jews, Christians and Muslims but such is the number of Muslims, they will surive.

It may be seen has whining to you but you must be lacking in compassion for the injustice this rogue state meets out to people. Terrorist, apartheid nations must be criticised and criticised heavily, it's the humane thing to do. Maybe you dont have this inside of you.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Quite pitiful that there is effectively a 17:1 geographical ratio of enemy states around Israel yet they have survived and thrived for 70 years and counting.

Equally, it speaks volumes about the (lack of) potency and virility the 17 states in question. The likes of Egypt and Jordan have already seen the light, pushed for peace, and established diplomatic relations with Israel over time.

The Muslim states are however champions of lip service on this subject, the Saudi Arabians and British Pakistanis in particular. But when it comes to invasion or prospect of capturing whatever mosque this entire squabble arose from? Chicken feet.

Even Israel knows this wont continue which is why they have been supporting and encouraging the desctruction of Arab states. Israel is the most paranoid entity to ever have exised and rightly so.

 

[Varun]

Even Israel knows this wont continue which is why they have been supporting and encouraging the desctruction of Arab states. Israel is the most paranoid entity to ever have exised and rightly so.

Why have they even got this far? A little diamond shaped landmass hurling a single missile against one of dozen Muslim countries should have been enough to end them forever, leave alone 'encourage the destruction of Arab states' for over half a century.

Why are they still out there?

 

[Pakpak]

Israel is very small, one nuke will end their existance forever. When America falls from being the worlds superpower, it's days will be numbered. It will start wars out of desperation and in return be wiped off the earth. It's going to be horrific for the people in the holy land, Jews, Christians and Muslims but such is the number of Muslims, they will surive.

It may be seen has whining to you but you must be lacking in compassion for the injustice this rogue state meets out to people. Terrorist, apartheid nations must be criticised and criticised heavily, it's the humane thing to do. Maybe you dont have this inside of you.

Are you blind? Or incapable of reading? I criticised and called them out three times in two posts. Unlike you, I think every Arab nation should put pressure on every country using oil. But they won't.

Israel and pretty much every country has second capability now. How you think two nuclear powers, one with nukes upto 7,000 will vanish is hilarious. You can sit there and talk about pipe fantasies ie US falling, feel free. The rest of us like to live in the real world. In this real world noone is falling and the Palestinians are being brutalised and slowly they will have no land and this problem will reach its end. While people like KKWC sit there and dream fantasies. I am sure the Palestinians will thank you for them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why have they even got this far? A little diamond shaped landmass hurling a single missile against one of dozen Muslim countries should have been enough to end them forever, leave alone 'encourage the destruction of Arab states' for over half a century.

Why are they still out there?

Try reading history and understanding world politics. Israel was not founded by a military victory by the Jews, it was created by a third power the British. Israel has the full backiong of the US, the only reason for it's existance.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Murderers getting along with murderers.

Not surprised a bit.

 

[Varun]

Try reading history and understanding world politics. Israel was not founded by a military victory by the Jews, it was created by a third power the British. Israel has the full backiong of the US, the only reason for it's existance.

Saudi Arabia also has the full backing of the US. Turning off the spigots on oil exports from all of the Gulf states to the US until a settlement on the Palestinian mosque is reached can be a simple end to this supposed crisis.

Why hasn't it happened yet?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Are you blind? Or incapable of reading? I criticised and called them out three times in two posts. Unlike you, I think every Arab nation should put pressure on every country using oil. But they won't.

Israel and pretty much every country has second capability now. How you think two nuclear powers, one with nukes upto 7,000 will vanish is hilarious. You can sit there and talk about pipe fantasies ie US falling, feel free. The rest of us like to live in the real world. In this real world noone is falling and the Palestinians are being brutalised and slowly they will have no land and this problem will reach its end. While people like KKWC sit there and dream fantasies. I am sure the Palestinians will thank you for them.

You're only fooling yourself. Your so called criticism is then backed with with statements suggesting Israel is here so nobody should criticise it too much. Being a Non-Muslim,(dont know why you have the Pak flag btw), you think you can be neutral but you're only showing yourself as an apologist for Zionism.

Jews have never been great combatants and their soldiers are very cowardly. Hizbollah killed over 100 of them , Israel was defeated so badly it dropped mines on the way out which it knew would killed innocent people. Hezbollah alone has enough misslies now, with full lauch capablities it can target Tel Aviv with ease and almost every other Israeli town. It's not the Goliath you seem to think it is.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You have to take your hat off to Israel really. India is the biggest market for Israeli arms production, $2billion a year isn't small change. It's a sobering thought that India is still reliant on procuring weapons from a country built on Abrahamic faith principles, I would have thought they were more technologically advanced than that by now.

 

[bluevision]

New Israeli Crysanthumun flower named after PM Modi. Lolol
https://www.google.co.in/amp/indian...umun-flower-named-after-pm-modi-4735680/lite/

 

[Pakpak]

You're only fooling yourself. Your so called criticism is then backed with with statements suggesting Israel is here so nobody should criticise it too much. Being a Non-Muslim,(dont know why you have the Pak flag btw), you think you can be neutral but you're only showing yourself as an apologist for Zionism.

Jews have never been great combatants and their soldiers are very cowardly. Hizbollah killed over 100 of them , Israel was defeated so badly it dropped mines on the way out which it knew would killed innocent people. Hezbollah alone has enough misslies now, with full lauch capablities it can target Tel Aviv with ease and almost every other Israeli town. It's not the Goliath you seem to think it is.

Because I am a Pakistani? You know that's why? Country where I was born into? Country MY grandfather fought for once? Country who even now me and family give our everything to and help people? and actually try and change their lives for the better and be proud of? Who the h.ell are you to question my patriotism?

So me saying Israel is a brutal occupying power is defending them? Noone is defending them, it'd be foolish to do so. What I am saying is I am sick of this fake bakwaas from people like you. Sitting here talking fantasies about who will fall who won't. Because by the time anyone falls Palestinians and their land would be swallowed up by the Zionist regime. There will be nothing left. Even now its being eaten up slowly while you peddle Salahuddin fantasies via your keyboard.

You and me both know noone will protest for them, noone will stand up for them being killed and raped and abused. You see it happening it infront of your eyes. They even have nukes now and they won't go. So a process of boycott by every Muslim nation and US would work. That's a hard fact.

You're going to whine about me saying that, go right ahead.

 

[bluevision]

At least there were no awkward koala hugs this time. Israeli PM is an enthusiast hugger himself it seems..

 

[Enigma_]

Well this is no surprise. Two terrorists getting along is all it is. Not to mention India is the largest arms dealer of Israel. Of course they are going to get along. Both are destined to fail however.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Saudi Arabia also has the full backing of the US. Turning off the spigots on oil exports from all of the Gulf states to the US until a settlement on the Palestinian mosque is reached can be a simple end to this supposed crisis.

Why hasn't it happened yet?

Again, history will explain this too. Why is it even caled 'Saudi' Arabia? Because it's named after a family which was installed by the British following the removal of the Ottoman Empire. It's a client agent of the US and western powers, not some indpendent ruling power which has the concerns Arabs at heart. Saudi has allowed it's airspace to Israel recently and also has cut ties to Qatar because it supports Hamas, to keep it's Zionist friends happy.

 

[Pakpak]

Saudi Arabia also has the full backing of the US. Turning off the spigots on oil exports from all of the Gulf states to the US until a settlement on the Palestinian mosque is reached can be a simple end to this supposed crisis.

Why hasn't it happened yet?

Because people like him are still awaiting the fantasy glorious day when all these regimes will supposedly be wiped away. Which will never happen. Nukes mean those nations are here to stay.

Typing furiously with a fetish for such fantasies is what people like him do, and such fantasies offer no practical solution for the Palestinian problem. It only gives the Israelis more excuse to say ''well we want to negotiate but look at these extremists wanting to wipe us out!''.

People like him they only have the thakaydaari to show outrage at Israel's crimes and inhumanity. When people like me say something different we couldn't POSSIBLY still feel sorry for the Palestinians.

Its absurd.

 

[Varun]

Again, history will explain this too. Why is it even caled 'Saudi' Arabia? Because it's named after a family which was installed by the British following the removal of the Ottoman Empire. It's a client agent of the US and western powers, not some indpendent ruling power which has the concerns Arabs at heart. Saudi has allowed it's airspace to Israel recently and also has cut ties to Qatar because it supports Hamas, to keep it's Zionist friends happy.

So on the basis of all your posts, on what basis do you say that 'come the end times' / 'one day' / 'in the end' Israel will be thwarted by one or more Arab / Muslim nations?

They clearly aren't up to it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Israel and Palestine get too much attention on these forums. Neither should really be that relevant but Pakistan and Indian posters get excited only because of the religious angle. Pakistanis because of the Muslim position and Indians because of the anti-Muslim. That's it really.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Because I am a Pakistani? You know that's why? Country where I was born into? Country MY grandfather fought for once? Country who even now me and family give our everything to and help people? and actually try and change their lives for the better and be proud of? Who the h.ell are you to question my patriotism?

I was pointing to the cresent and star which points to an Islamic nation. When someone criticies the faith of this nation, it makes little sense to carry it's sympobilc flag.

So me saying Israel is a brutal occupying power is defending them? Noone is defending them, it'd be foolish to do so. What I am saying is I am sick of this fake bakwaas from people like you. Sitting here talking fantasies about who will fall who won't. Because by the time anyone falls Palestinians and their land would be swallowed up by the Zionist regime. There will be nothing left. Even now its being eaten up slowly while you peddle Salahuddin fantasies via your keyboard.

You and me both know noone will protest for them, noone will stand up for them being killed and raped and abused. You see it happening it infront of your eyes. They even have nukes now and they won't go. So a process of boycott by every Muslim nation and US would work. That's a hard fact.

You're going to whine about me saying that, go right ahead.

It was also said Hezbollah being victorious was also a fantasy. You are vastly over estimating the strength of Israel. Sure they have one of the best militaries and are supported by big powers but they also have weaknesses esp their location, size and aysemmetric warfare of the modern age. It's far too complex for you to understand and you won't stand up for people who are suffering because in your world, nothing can be done, they are all too powerful. You keep using this 'whining' word but ironically it's you who is whining of any suggestion Israel will not survive brutalising people forever.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So on the basis of all your posts, on what basis do you say that 'come the end times' / 'one day' / 'in the end' Israel will be thwarted by one or more Arab / Muslim nations?

They clearly aren't up to it.

Not now they aren't but times change. 20 years ago Hezbollah would never have dreamed of defeating Israel. Israel went to war to rescue their hostages but instead recieved their dead bodies back, lost 100 soldiers and freed resistance fighters to end the war. People will adapt to warfare, they will recieve help from certain governments and continue to resist until their oppressor gives up and concedes in some way. The citizens of Israel could also change over time, forcing their country to seek peace. What Im saying is Israel in it's current form cannot continue to exist and will not.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I wonder how many nations will disappear if fantasies of a few posters on this thread were to be the truth.

India,Israel,US,Saudi who else?NATO countries?

 

[Pakpak]

I was pointing to the cresent and star which points to an Islamic nation. When someone criticies the faith of this nation, it makes little sense to carry it's sympobilc flag.



It was also said Hezbollah being victorious was also a fantasy. You are vastly over estimating the strength of Israel. Sure they have one of the best militaries and are supported by big powers but they also have weaknesses esp their location, size and aysemmetric warfare of the modern age. It's far too complex for you to understand and you won't stand up for people who are suffering because in your world, nothing can be done, they are all too powerful. You keep using this 'whining' word but ironically it's you who is whining of any suggestion Israel will not survive brutalising people forever.

It is the flag of my country, the crescent and star representing a religion that I deeply respect and my family follows every single day. And nowhere in my posts have I criticised the ''faith''. Why do you carry the the Union Jack? The flag of a nation that is blatantly not Muslim but has killed tens of millions of Muslims under this banner? So take your moral outrage elsewhere.

Ignoring all your nonsensical drivel above as I can't be bothered replying to teenage fantasies, you're sat at the UNSC. What solution would you give on behalf of the Palestinians to Israel?

I'd offer them (Israel) full recognition and full peace in return for all Palestinian lands that are remaining, expulsion of all settlers and East Jerusalem as the Capital or aleast control over Al-Aqsa Mosque, a proper corridor between West Bank and Gaza, all Palestinian prisoners to be released and Israel to pay damages for anyone detained illegally. Israel also to pay for ALL refugees who cannot return after decades and who were made refugees when it grabbed land, agreement on Israel providing proper trade routes via its Ports and including water, Israel to lift its economic embargo and remove itself from Palestinian Egyptian borders.

What would you give?

''Nah, we'll just wait for the glorious day till you're all wiped out and Muslims rise up yadayadya''

If the Israelis listen which of the above two options have a chance of working? Do you think?

 

[Varun]

Not now they aren't but times change. 20 years ago Hezbollah would never have dreamed of defeating Israel. Israel went to war to rescue their hostages but instead recieved their dead bodies back, lost 100 soldiers and freed resistance fighters to end the war. People will adapt to warfare, they will recieve help from certain governments and continue to resist until their oppressor gives up and concedes in some way. The citizens of Israel could also change over time, forcing their country to seek peace. What Im saying is Israel in it's current form cannot continue to exist and will not.

And what is the definition of a country being destroyed? Israel is a nation of 8+ million people - if it is (hypothetically) defeated by some fictional future force what happens to every citizen and property in the country, leave alone its allies who probably won't be too enthusiastic that such a strategic asset has gone?

 

[KingKhanWC]

And what is the definition of a country being destroyed? Israel is a nation of 8+ million people - if it is (hypothetically) defeated by some fictional future force what happens to every citizen and property in the country, leave alone its allies who probably won't be too enthusiastic that such a strategic asset has gone?

The country as a landscape of people doesn't have to be destroyed. Im suggesting in it's current, occupatioinal and oppressive form it cannot survive.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It is the flag of my country, the crescent and star representing a religion that I deeply respect and my family follows every single day. And nowhere in my posts have I criticised the ''faith''. Why do you carry the the Union Jack? The flag of a nation that is blatantly not Muslim but has killed tens of millions of Muslims under this banner? So take your moral outrage elsewhere.

Im sure they will be proud you respsect their religion so much you spend your time criticising it. Britain isn't doing anything under my name and I have rights to speak up against it like millions of others here. I also dont spend my time criticising Christianity, otherwise wouldn't have a flag which also has a cross in in it.

Ignoring all your nonsensical drivel above as I can't be bothered replying to teenage fantasies, you're sat at the UNSC. What solution would you give on behalf of the Palestinians to Israel?

I'd offer them (Israel) full recognition and full peace in return for all Palestinian lands that are remaining, expulsion of all settlers and East Jerusalem as the Capital or aleast control over Al-Aqsa Mosque, a proper corridor between West Bank and Gaza, all Palestinian prisoners to be released and Israel to pay damages for anyone detained illegally. Israel also to pay for ALL refugees who cannot return after decades and who were made refugees when it grabbed land, agreement on Israel providing proper trade routes via its Ports and including water, Israel to lift its economic embargo and remove itself from Palestinian Egyptian borders.

What would you give?

''Nah, we'll just wait for the glorious day till you're all wiped out and Muslims rise up yadayadya''

If the Israelis listen which of the above two options have a chance of working? Do you think?

Firstly it's no my right or yours to decide. Secondly what you're proposing is more unlikely than what I am suggesting when it comes to Israels future. What indications have you seen Israel will even consider what you have proposed?

 

[Pakpak]

Im sure they will be proud you respsect their religion so much you spend your time criticising it. Britain isn't doing anything under my name and I have rights to speak up against it like millions of others here. I also dont spend my time criticising Christianity, otherwise wouldn't have a flag which also has a cross in in it.



Firstly it's no my right or yours to decide. Secondly what you're proposing is more unlikely than what I am suggesting when it comes to Israels future. What indications have you seen Israel will even consider what you have proposed?

How many threads have you seen me criticise it? I barely post in TimePass unless its to criticise Nawaz. Go through my post history. You can speak up against Britain but you're sitting thousands of miles away telling a Pakistani who can or who can't have Pakistani flag in their profile?

Wah!

And no, as I said, my family aren't little warriors like you. I am proud of how many people me and family help in our nation and will always do so while you can sit there in UK sniggering at who's got what flag.

I don't care what Israel thinks or doesn't think.

I am asking you, what is your solution? I have given you mine. This is a forum so putting aside your Maha-Bharat type fantasies Indians have, what is your solution?

 

[Muhammad10]

Stay on topic. No need to get personal here.

 

[KingKhanWC]

How many threads have you seen me criticise it? I barely post in TimePass unless its to criticise Nawaz. Go through my post history. You can speak up against Britain but you're sitting thousands of miles away telling a Pakistani who can or who can't have Pakistani flag in their profile?

Wah!

And no, as I said, my family aren't little warriors like you. I am proud of how many people me and family help in our nation and will always do so while you can sit there in UK sniggering at who's got what flag.

I don't care what Israel thinks or doesn't think.

I am asking you, what is your solution? I have given you mine. This is a forum so putting aside your Maha-Bharat type fantasies Indians have, what is your solution?

You haven't explained your fantasy of how what you proposed could even take place. What you are proposing is about as realistic as Israel just leaving the land because of the goondess in their hearts.

The only realistic option now is ONE state for all.

 

[Pakpak]

You can't criticise something as an idea and then have it's symbol as your photo, rather strange it is. Its nice to hear they help people but you can help them by telling them they are so wrong in what they believe in instead of on here, makes more sense really.

You haven't explained your fantasy of how what you proposed could even take place. What you are proposing is about as realistic as Israel just leaving the land because of the goondess in their hearts.

The only realistic option now is ONE state for all.

One state solution is workable, how would it work? Please explain.

 

[KingKhanWC]

One state solution is workable, how would it work? Please explain.

I wont continue with your views on Pakistan as per mods request.

One state, equal rights for all. All land must be shared and the state can be called a Jewish, Muslim or Christian state. Naturallly the Zionist Jews would want a Jewish state but as long as they give equal rights to everyone it doesn't matter. Stop all immigration based on religion and make peace with all nations.

This is unlikely too but far more feasable than what you suggested.

 

[Pakpak]

I wont continue with your views on Pakistan as per mods request.

One state, equal rights for all. All land must be shared and the state can be called a Jewish, Muslim or Christian state. Naturallly the Zionist Jews would want a Jewish state but as long as they give equal rights to everyone it doesn't matter. Stop all immigration based on religion and make peace with all nations.

This is unlikely too but far more feasable than what you suggested.

How would one state work?

Elaborate. I support that as well but just like to hear your views.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Israel and Palestine get too much attention on these forums. Neither should really be that relevant but Pakistan and Indian posters get excited only because of the religious angle. Pakistanis because of the Muslim position and Indians because of the anti-Muslim. That's it really.

Im sorry Cap but you're not correct here. This is the most relevant issue in today's world. India's brutal treatment of Kashmiri's is important but Israel is the cause of all the carnage in the middle east now and its tactics are impacting people all over inc the UK. The war on terror was designed to protect Israel not America, its after effects have come to London and other parts of the UK.

 

[KingKhanWC]

How would one state work?

Elaborate. I support that as well but just like to hear your views.

I've just given you the basic and fundamental outline of this state. Which specific parts would you like more detail of?

 

[Pakpak]

I've just given you the basic and fundamental outline of this state. Which specific parts would you like more detail of?

How would it work? Would it be a democracy? What about the refugees problem? Settlements? Israel's pro-Jewish immigration policy? Muslim rights in Israel?

 

[Specialisttailender]

Modi begging for foreign investments in India, it will bring more jobs but it will also destroy our local companies.

 

[KingKhanWC]

How would it work? Would it be a democracy? What about the refugees problem? Settlements? Israel's pro-Jewish immigration policy? Muslim rights in Israel?

One man, one vote. Refugess will have the right to return inc future generations who have not visited Palestine. Settlments will be turned into multi communal properties with land not taken from anyone but anyone being able to live in this land. No religous immigration, the country isn't big enough for this to be sustained and ethically makes no sense. Everyone Muslim and Christain will have the same rights as Jews.

 

[Pakpak]

One man, one vote. Refugess will have the right to return inc future generations who have not visited Palestine. Settlments will be turned into multi communal properties with land not taken from anyone but anyone being able to live in this land. No religous immigration, the country isn't big enough for this to be sustained and ethically makes no sense. Everyone Muslim and Christain will have the same rights as Jews.

Now this view is much more realistic and better for the Palestinians if people propagated this.

Instead of your earlier fall of empire rants.

What is the way to do it? Collective pressure on the Zionist state. Will it happen? No. Until all Muslim nations decide enough is enough. Sadly that isn't going to happen.

My cousins and friends have visited Palestine but aren't hopeful, due to the treatment they got at airpots especially.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Now this view is much more realistic and better for the Palestinians if people propagated this.

Instead of your earlier fall of empire rants.

What is the way to do it? Collective pressure on the Zionist state. Will it happen? No. Until all Muslim nations decide enough is enough. Sadly that isn't going to happen.

My cousins and friends have visited Palestine but aren't hopeful, due to the treatment they got at airpots especially.

It will only happen if Israel continues to be shown to the world for being the oppresser it is and for resistance against it's brutality to make a new breakthrough causing damage to the aggressor. Eventually the people in Israel who are becoming more secular will allow this change to happen.

 

[Pakpak]

It will only happen if Israel continues to be shown to the world for being the oppresser it is and for resistance against it's brutality to make a new breakthrough causing damage to the aggressor. Eventually the people in Israel who are becoming more secular will allow this change to happen.

I am afraid a little more is needed. We both know governments care diddly-squat for what people think. Iraq was wrecked despite British people not wanting it. The entire world knows what Israel does, one only ought to YouTube it in 5 minutes.

The only way change can happen is via governments. Otherwise in 20 years there will no Palestinian land left.

 

[Napa]

Also with the majority of gulf states seeing Iran as public enemy number one, it will be brushed under the carpet and so India will maintain strong ties with both the 'Arab league' and Israeli's.

India is an ally of Iran as well as Israel. Great diplomacy.

India gets on great with Iran, Israel and Arabs. No compromises when it comes to their interests, shame we haven't learnt that.

Saudi Arabia, backing Israelis against Iran, Egypt and Turkey (both with deep ties to Israel) and broken Syria and a useless Lebanon are hardly any threats to them.

Our relations with Israel since 1992 have been a diplomatic masterstroke, considering that we also have to balance that bilateral with the Arabs, and Iran.

India is ready to invest $11 billion in the Iranian oil sector. This will be the largest foreign investment Iran has received in very long time.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/03/iran-to-sign-new-ipc-gas-deal-with-total-for-south-pars.html

This is a mind-boggling bit of diplomatic balancing by Modi. Israel hates Iran with a passion. But it rolls the red carpet for Modi. Trump wants to crush Iran, but calls India the "true friend".

India has played it straight for a long time. Didn't join the Iraq war. Helped rebuild Afghanistan. Didn't supply missile or nuclear technology to any country (like China did). There is a certain level of comfort different countries have in dealing with India. They know what India will do and what its limits are, and it remains true.

 

[www787]

India is ready to invest $11 billion in the Iranian oil sector. This will be the largest foreign investment Iran has received in very long time.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/03/iran-to-sign-new-ipc-gas-deal-with-total-for-south-pars.html

This is a mind-boggling bit of diplomatic balancing by Modi. Israel hates Iran with a passion. But it rolls the red carpet for Modi. Trump wants to crush Iran, but calls India the "true friend".

India has played it straight for a long time. Didn't join the Iraq war. Helped rebuild Afghanistan. Didn't supply missile or nuclear technology to any country (like China did). There is a certain level of comfort different countries have in dealing with India. They know what India will do and what its limits are, and it remains true.

It's all about $$$.
Every American hate china but they roll out the red carpet for Chinese pm too because at the end of the day it's about $$$$

 

[PakLFC]

So its Israel/India versus Pak/China with America on everybody or nobody's side Two satanic people in the picture with the blood of million's of innocent Muslim's on their hands.

 

[JaDed]

Some hilarious posts on the thread about Israel,USA disappearing )

 

[TM Riddle]

Did I just hear Jews are cowards and do not have combatant abilities? Where the heck do people get these things from? I mean what's the objective criteria really? Cause if I remember correctly last time when there was a major conflict involving Israel and Arabs , Jews had Arabs so utterly humiliated that they didn't dare to rise again after that.So much for Arab superiority and virility.

 

[Gilly]

One man, one vote. Refugess will have the right to return inc future generations who have not visited Palestine. Settlments will be turned into multi communal properties with land not taken from anyone but anyone being able to live in this land. No religous immigration, the country isn't big enough for this to be sustained and ethically makes no sense. Everyone Muslim and Christain will have the same rights as Jews.

Would Palestinians agree to this including Hezbollah.

 

[Napa]

One man, one vote... Everyone Muslim and Christain will have the same rights as Jews.

Would Palestinians agree to this including Hezbollah.

Would Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Qatar, UAE, Libya, etc. etc. agree to this in their own lands?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Im sorry Cap but you're not correct here. This is the most relevant issue in today's world. India's brutal treatment of Kashmiri's is important but Israel is the cause of all the carnage in the middle east now and its tactics are impacting people all over inc the UK. The war on terror was designed to protect Israel not America, its after effects have come to London and other parts of the UK.

I meant it shouldn't be that relevant to Pakistanis or Indians, yet as you can see from this thread alone, it invites heated debate from both sides which has little to do with day to day realities of the region itself.

 

[Romali_rotti]

The problem with some muslims on this thread is that they live in their own little world, they talk about liberating Palestine, defeating nuclear armed forces and blah blah blah.. In reality baring a bankrupt Pakistan who is under the influence of the US & Chinese no other Islamic country has a military might to even start a push and shove match vs countries like Israel. Plain reality is that Islamic world is not politically or even financially strong enough to defeat Israel, so all that will come out of this is some chest thumping but reality will always be what it is now Israel will rule their land, Palestinians will keep crying and life goes on........


P.S. Waiting for KingKhan's ONE DAY things will change lol

 

[Varun]

The problem with some muslims on this thread is that they live in their own little world, they talk about liberating Palestine, defeating nuclear armed forces and blah blah blah..

....while leaching off free healthcare and a comfortable life in Western countries who are tacit allies of Israel.

The fantasies are entirely extracurricular.

 

[Hitman]

Did I just hear Jews are cowards and do not have combatant abilities? Where the heck do people get these things from? I mean what's the objective criteria really? Cause if I remember correctly last time when there was a major conflict involving Israel and Arabs , Jews had Arabs so utterly humiliated that they didn't dare to rise again after that.So much for Arab superiority and virility.

I was ROFL reading the same. Didn't want to reply him since there is no treatment for delusion )

 

[Asim_khan]

....while leaching off free healthcare and a comfortable life in Western countries who are tacit allies of Israel.

The fantasies are entirely extracurricular.

Surely you won't deny somebody free healthcare simply because they disagree with their country's foreign policy?