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Narendra Modi moves to attract non-Kashmiris with land in Indian occupied Kashmir

Indian occupying Kashmir against the will of the people of Kashmir

So what has prevented the mighty Pakistan Army and ISI to take back one inch of Indian Kashmir, even after 30 years of insurgency in Indian Kashmir (including the Kargil War)?
 
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Something is definitely cooking - you don't just move 35,000 additional troops into the region if you expect the status quo to remain.
 
It will be for the best if they try and remove this curse of article 35 A its just another joke like reservations.

Time for peaceful people to join the territory and make this just a state like anyother

Either let go off kashmir with heafty penalties and conditions or completly take it in as indian state,anything in between was always going to end up like how it is right now,its like a pressure cooker with a special pipe connected to outside terrorists and ill willed agenda and india has yet not done enough to take that connection out.
 
In America if a territory wants to become a state they are given a chance to have a referendum with options of statehood, independence or the status quo - just cause 50 states and the Federal govt may agree to make Puerto Rico a state they can't make it happen unless Puerto Ricans vote to join the union. That's how democracy and federalism works.

Nice to see Pakistanis explaining how democracy is supposed to work
 
This is the only way they can claim the land by sending people from around India. No wonder they are following the footsteps of Israel, capture, kill and settle. Not like Kashmiries would sit calm. It took only one freedom fighter to send their 50 terrorists back to Indian soil. If you want peace then work towards it, this drama of all peace and then you have a million armymen controlling a region and suffocating people won't ever return goods.

If a million armymen couldn't control it for decades then no Bunti Bubblis from other parts of India are going to make a difference. Atleast not in a century or so but Indians haven't left a single part of the world. They are everywhere in thousands and millions lol. So much Bharat Mata love and the first one to hop on a plane to run away from their beloved country. Drama nationalist

The same can be said of Pakistanis
 
Lol Pakistan doesn't have an issue with that. Fly your trash in your stadium behind guns. Pakistan's flag is annually raised at Lal Chowk every 14 August.

:lol:

You pretend like it doesn't bother you Pakistan controls Gilgit Baltistan and AJK. 70 years and your hungry scrony army hasn't been able to take back your "integral parts".

Besharmo. All you've had is rocks thrown at you and the occasional MiG shot down.

India has never had history of aggression ,has never attacked any nation.why would army takeback intergral parts when govt hasnt given any order? Oh yeh wait u think army controls nation everywhere? My bad


So much for pakistan doesnt have issue with that haha.

Btw yes rocks are thrown in our side of K,
Our sideeeeeeee

Btw you seem to have forgot 1971,just try search youtube,am i being too harsh?
 
You are right I do not understand one of the biggest democracy regressing to elect Hindu extremists.

I’m glad we aren’t that kind of democracy.

Indian courts? Haha

LOL. Yes, so we need to take lessons on democracy from Pakistan. Country run by comedy king generals.

Here are some companies run by comedy king generals of Pakistan. Some democracy Pakistan is.

Fauji Generals are doing mauj. Pakistanis are lecturing Indians on democracy. Enjoy the list of companies run by Fauji maujis :) of Pakistan:

Two stud farms in Pakpattan and Okara
Army Welfare Sugar Mills, Badin
Askari Project (shoe and woollen), Lahore
Blue Lagoon Restaurant, Rawalpindi
Real estate comprising three small housing schemes in Lahore, Badaber and Sangjani
Askari General Insurance Co Ltd Rawalpindi
Askari Aviation Services, Rawalpindi
MAL Pakistan Ltd Karachi
Askari Guards (Pvt) Ltd, head office (HO) in Rawalpindi
Askari Fuels (CNG) with HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Seeds, Okara
Askari Enterprises, Rawalpindi
Fauji Security Services (acquired from Fauji Foundation), HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Apparel, Lahore
Askari Lagoon, Faisalabad.

The projects/units under Fauji Foundation are:

Fauji Cereals
Foundation Gas
Fauji Fertiliser Company Ltd
Fauji Cement Co Ltd
Fauji Oil Terminal and Distillery Co Ltd
Fauji Kabirwala Power Company Ltd
Foundation Power Co (Dharki) Ltd
Askari Cement Ltd
Askari Bank Ltd
Foundation Wind Energy (I and II) Ltd
Noon Pakistan Ltd Lahore
Fauji Meat Ltd
Fauji Fertiliser Bin Qasim Ltd
Fauji Akbar Partia Marine Terminal Ltd, HO in Karachi.
A company under the name of Pakistan Maroc Phosphore SA was set up in Morocco by the Fauji Foundation in 2008.

Similarly, the projects, units and housing colonies under the administrative control of Shaheen Foun*dation, which is a trust of the Pakistan Air Force, are:

Shaheen Airport Services
Shaheen Aerotraders
Shaheen Knitwear
Shaheen Complex, Karachi
Shaheen Complex, Lahore
Shaheen Medical Services
Hawk Advertising
Fazaia Welfare Education School System
SAPS Aviation College
Air Eagle Aviation Academy
Shaheen Welfare Housing Scheme, Peshawar.

Truly democratic indeed.
 
Oh sorry, we should use the Indian form of democracy, announce a state of emergency and start killing Sikhs with impunity.

Indian Minorities have thriwed, each minority has seen increase of atleast 3% in total population since independence,in case of muslims its 8%.

What how much decline pakistani minories have seen? In negativeeeeeee

Shut up and look inside your dark pit before you bark
 
LOL. Yes, so we need to take lessons on democracy from Pakistan. Country run by comedy king generals.

Here are some companies run by comedy king generals of Pakistan. Some democracy Pakistan is.

Fauji Generals are doing mauj. Pakistanis are lecturing Indians on democracy. Enjoy the list of companies run by Fauji maujis :) of Pakistan:

Two stud farms in Pakpattan and Okara
Army Welfare Sugar Mills, Badin
Askari Project (shoe and woollen), Lahore
Blue Lagoon Restaurant, Rawalpindi
Real estate comprising three small housing schemes in Lahore, Badaber and Sangjani
Askari General Insurance Co Ltd Rawalpindi
Askari Aviation Services, Rawalpindi
MAL Pakistan Ltd Karachi
Askari Guards (Pvt) Ltd, head office (HO) in Rawalpindi
Askari Fuels (CNG) with HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Seeds, Okara
Askari Enterprises, Rawalpindi
Fauji Security Services (acquired from Fauji Foundation), HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Apparel, Lahore
Askari Lagoon, Faisalabad.

The projects/units under Fauji Foundation are:

Fauji Cereals
Foundation Gas
Fauji Fertiliser Company Ltd
Fauji Cement Co Ltd
Fauji Oil Terminal and Distillery Co Ltd
Fauji Kabirwala Power Company Ltd
Foundation Power Co (Dharki) Ltd
Askari Cement Ltd
Askari Bank Ltd
Foundation Wind Energy (I and II) Ltd
Noon Pakistan Ltd Lahore
Fauji Meat Ltd
Fauji Fertiliser Bin Qasim Ltd
Fauji Akbar Partia Marine Terminal Ltd, HO in Karachi.
A company under the name of Pakistan Maroc Phosphore SA was set up in Morocco by the Fauji Foundation in 2008.

Similarly, the projects, units and housing colonies under the administrative control of Shaheen Foun*dation, which is a trust of the Pakistan Air Force, are:

Shaheen Airport Services
Shaheen Aerotraders
Shaheen Knitwear
Shaheen Complex, Karachi
Shaheen Complex, Lahore
Shaheen Medical Services
Hawk Advertising
Fazaia Welfare Education School System
SAPS Aviation College
Air Eagle Aviation Academy
Shaheen Welfare Housing Scheme, Peshawar.

Truly democratic indeed.

Its a joke really
 
Indian Minorities have thriwed, each minority has seen increase of atleast 3% in total population since independence,in case of muslims its 8%.

What how much decline pakistani minories have seen? In negativeeeeeee

Shut up and look inside your dark pit before you bark

Minorities in Pakistan have actually slightly increased from 1947 onwards.

Sadly, many Indians believe in lies like ”Pakistan’s hindu population was 22% in 1947 and 2% now”, most Hindus in the Dominion of Pakistan lived in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) hence the 22% Hindu population.
 
Nice to see Pakistanis explaining how democracy is supposed to work

I'm an American citizen lmaooo and regardless of my ethnic background, people can comment on subject without being judged about their heritage.
 
LOL. Yes, so we need to take lessons on democracy from Pakistan. Country run by comedy king generals.

Here are some companies run by comedy king generals of Pakistan. Some democracy Pakistan is.

Fauji Generals are doing mauj. Pakistanis are lecturing Indians on democracy. Enjoy the list of companies run by Fauji maujis :) of Pakistan:

Two stud farms in Pakpattan and Okara
Army Welfare Sugar Mills, Badin
Askari Project (shoe and woollen), Lahore
Blue Lagoon Restaurant, Rawalpindi
Real estate comprising three small housing schemes in Lahore, Badaber and Sangjani
Askari General Insurance Co Ltd Rawalpindi
Askari Aviation Services, Rawalpindi
MAL Pakistan Ltd Karachi
Askari Guards (Pvt) Ltd, head office (HO) in Rawalpindi
Askari Fuels (CNG) with HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Seeds, Okara
Askari Enterprises, Rawalpindi
Fauji Security Services (acquired from Fauji Foundation), HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Apparel, Lahore
Askari Lagoon, Faisalabad.

The projects/units under Fauji Foundation are:

Fauji Cereals
Foundation Gas
Fauji Fertiliser Company Ltd
Fauji Cement Co Ltd
Fauji Oil Terminal and Distillery Co Ltd
Fauji Kabirwala Power Company Ltd
Foundation Power Co (Dharki) Ltd
Askari Cement Ltd
Askari Bank Ltd
Foundation Wind Energy (I and II) Ltd
Noon Pakistan Ltd Lahore
Fauji Meat Ltd
Fauji Fertiliser Bin Qasim Ltd
Fauji Akbar Partia Marine Terminal Ltd, HO in Karachi.
A company under the name of Pakistan Maroc Phosphore SA was set up in Morocco by the Fauji Foundation in 2008.

Similarly, the projects, units and housing colonies under the administrative control of Shaheen Foun*dation, which is a trust of the Pakistan Air Force, are:

Shaheen Airport Services
Shaheen Aerotraders
Shaheen Knitwear
Shaheen Complex, Karachi
Shaheen Complex, Lahore
Shaheen Medical Services
Hawk Advertising
Fazaia Welfare Education School System
SAPS Aviation College
Air Eagle Aviation Academy
Shaheen Welfare Housing Scheme, Peshawar.

Truly democratic indeed.

You're literally an Indian immigrant in America and we have a huge military industrial complex in this country. I'm glad the Pak military is heavily involved in industries and agriculture, they're well known in Pakistan for their work ethic, discipline and drive to get things done. It's better to have military run industries than a country being monopolized by greedy businessmen such as the Ambanis in India.
 
Oh, to be a fly on the wall.


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i think the plan is to bring hindus from other parts of india to populate the kashmir.

Plan is very similar to what Israel is doing in the WB and East Jerusalem. You see hardcore hindus praising israel against the palestinianson twitter all the time.
 
You're literally an Indian immigrant in America and we have a huge military industrial complex in this country. I'm glad the Pak military is heavily involved in industries and agriculture, they're well known in Pakistan for their work ethic, discipline and drive to get things done. It's better to have military run industries than a country being monopolized by greedy businessmen such as the Ambanis in India.

Pak military is well known in Pakistan for getting things done...you mean like in 1971 and Kargil?
 
So what has prevented the mighty Pakistan Army and ISI to take back one inch of Indian Kashmir, even after 30 years of insurgency in Indian Kashmir (including the Kargil War)?

A played out argument which reflect immaturity to score points on some random forum.

Come back with a better argument and solution.
 
LOL. Yes, so we need to take lessons on democracy from Pakistan. Country run by comedy king generals.

Here are some companies run by comedy king generals of Pakistan. Some democracy Pakistan is.

Fauji Generals are doing mauj. Pakistanis are lecturing Indians on democracy. Enjoy the list of companies run by Fauji maujis :) of Pakistan:

Two stud farms in Pakpattan and Okara
Army Welfare Sugar Mills, Badin
Askari Project (shoe and woollen), Lahore
Blue Lagoon Restaurant, Rawalpindi
Real estate comprising three small housing schemes in Lahore, Badaber and Sangjani
Askari General Insurance Co Ltd Rawalpindi
Askari Aviation Services, Rawalpindi
MAL Pakistan Ltd Karachi
Askari Guards (Pvt) Ltd, head office (HO) in Rawalpindi
Askari Fuels (CNG) with HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Seeds, Okara
Askari Enterprises, Rawalpindi
Fauji Security Services (acquired from Fauji Foundation), HO in Rawalpindi
Askari Apparel, Lahore
Askari Lagoon, Faisalabad.

The projects/units under Fauji Foundation are:

Fauji Cereals
Foundation Gas
Fauji Fertiliser Company Ltd
Fauji Cement Co Ltd
Fauji Oil Terminal and Distillery Co Ltd
Fauji Kabirwala Power Company Ltd
Foundation Power Co (Dharki) Ltd
Askari Cement Ltd
Askari Bank Ltd
Foundation Wind Energy (I and II) Ltd
Noon Pakistan Ltd Lahore
Fauji Meat Ltd
Fauji Fertiliser Bin Qasim Ltd
Fauji Akbar Partia Marine Terminal Ltd, HO in Karachi.
A company under the name of Pakistan Maroc Phosphore SA was set up in Morocco by the Fauji Foundation in 2008.

Similarly, the projects, units and housing colonies under the administrative control of Shaheen Foun*dation, which is a trust of the Pakistan Air Force, are:

Shaheen Airport Services
Shaheen Aerotraders
Shaheen Knitwear
Shaheen Complex, Karachi
Shaheen Complex, Lahore
Shaheen Medical Services
Hawk Advertising
Fazaia Welfare Education School System
SAPS Aviation College
Air Eagle Aviation Academy
Shaheen Welfare Housing Scheme, Peshawar.

Truly democratic indeed.

What does Army investing has to do with anything other than investing in business?

I think you start making straw man argument when you can't defend radicalized extremists nationalists Hindu PM.

And yea, it is a well known fact and established fact that Pakistani army owns many business.

But, this may surprise you, Pakistan has elected another leader in a democratic nation, who was gracious enough to serve the fantastic chai to unwanted guest on Feb 27th.
 
i think the plan is to bring hindus from other parts of india to populate the kashmir.

Plan is very similar to what Israel is doing in the WB and East Jerusalem. You see hardcore hindus praising israel against the palestinianson twitter all the time.

When people from other parts of Pakistan live in the Pakistani side of Kashmir why do you feel so strongly if the same were to happen on the Indian side?
 
What does Army investing has to do with anything other than investing in business?

I think you start making straw man argument when you can't defend radicalized extremists nationalists Hindu PM.

And yea, it is a well known fact and established fact that Pakistani army owns many business.

But, this may surprise you, Pakistan has elected another leader in a democratic nation, who was gracious enough to serve the fantastic chai to unwanted guest on Feb 27th.

Shorter version of my response:

We should refrain from mocking Prisoners of war. If Pakistan treated the Indian POW well, its nice. If India treated Pakistani POWs well after 1971 war, that nice too. Treating each others POWs well should be the default behavior of both Indian and Pakistani forces.

Longer version (or TL;DR version). Please read only if you have time to spare with nothing else to do :):

You perhaps forget the over 90000 Pakistani Prisoners of war from the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation war, whom the Indian Military respectfully served tea, food, and housed and clothed them with dignity in keeping with their ranks. The then Chief of the Indian Army, General Manekshaw made it very clear that every Pakistani POW should be treated with honor and dignity.

Even surrendered Pakistani General AAK Niazi was treated with total respect and dignity in keeping with his rank. He chose to not return to Pakistan till 1975 as there were huge protests in Pakistan against the Pakistani military in general and General Niazi in particular. Till that time he was housed in a General's bungalow and was assigned orderlies/cooks etc to look after him. There were junior officers of the Indian Army who were assigned on duty to coordinate anything that General Niazi wanted.

Coincidentally, the Indian General (General Jagjit Singh Arora) to whom General Niazi surrendered to during the signing of the 'Declaration of surrender of Pakistani Forces' document [the photograph is readily available on the internet]...that General JS Arora and General Niazi trained together as army cadets. General JS Arora especially ensured that General Niazi was never found wanting of any comfort and was never made to feel like a prisoner. Even otherwise, General Manekshaw had instructed Gen Arora to ensure that all Pakistani soldiers were to be fed, housed, and clothed, in the best way possible by the Indian Army.

Unfortunately, when in 1975 the Indian Government decided that it would be safe to return General Niazi back to Pakistan, things did not turn out well for him at all in Pakistan. He was immediately detained by Pakistani military police upon his arrival through the Wagah border, and taken by helicopter to be interrogated by the Pakistani Army Intelligence, treated like a traitor, demoted in rank (from lieutenant General to Major General), his pension and other retirement benefits (like medical care, access to military canteen/stores, etc.) was withdrawn along with all his service medals and honors, and he was dismissed from the Pakistan Army.

He was accused of working against Pakistani national interests, of ill treating his officers and staff in Dakha, of ignoring the reports of his own military intelligence officer of the impending doom, of procuring women for his pleasure, and smuggling paan/betel leaves and nuts and other items using service aircrafts assigned to him. All in all, of moral turpitude unbecoming of an officer, and of a questionable conduct contributing to and resulting in the Pakistani defeat in 1971.

He was held 'morally responsible' for the Pakistani defeat. [Ironically, leading up to the war, General AAK Niazi was wont to make bombastic anti India statements like 'Dacca will fall only over my dead body', and one particular line about 'Niazi corridor' under which he would use shock and awe to bamboozle Indian Army and Indian public all the way from Assam, Calcutta, to Delhi and beyond, viciously crushing the Indian enemy forces, and carving a large tract of land from East Pakistan all the way to towards West Pakistan, thereby connecting both parts of Pakistan into one contiguous landmass through a sudden lightning strike]

There was one incident in particular when he returned to his village, after dismissal from the Pakistan Army, that especially hurt and humiliated him. The locals made him wear a garland of shoes and put him astride a donkey and took out a procession, out of frustration that he commanded the Pakistani forces that lost out East Pakistan....while people in Pakistan were being told of a huge victory over India up until the day before the news of Pakistan army's (and General Niazi's) surrender to the Indian Army was broken by the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) radio.

General Niazi was a very broken man in Pakistan. He tried to plead the case for the restitution of his rank and pension with successive Army Chiefs of Pakistan and the civilian leadership as well. He finally succeeded in getting back a reduced pension from the 1980s but his rank was never restored. The official Pakistani records were quietly updated to show that he was 'retired' and not 'dismissed', which then allowed him to access medical treatment facilities that retired Pakistan Army men are entitled to.

So, my suggestion to our Pakistani friends is that we must not mock each other's Prisoners of War. War is bad business. Just imagine the anguish a soldier feels when he is captured or surrenders to enemy combatants. The kind of thoughts that could go through their minds...'Would I be tortured...killed? Will I ever return to my mother land? Will I ever get to see my family?....and worse'. It is not a video game or some spectator sport like cricket match, where the rest of us can watch and cheer wildly. These combatants are real people with real families. Also spare a thought for what the family's of the POWs must go through.

If Pakistan treated the Indian Wg Commander to a cup of tea, very nice of Pakistan. If India was nice to 90,000 Pakistani POWs, that is nice too. And that is the way it should be.

These should be standard procedures between these two responsible nations that are potential emerging economic powers of some repute on the world stage. Not just because the Geneva convention says so. But because the humanity in each Indian and Pakistani believes so.
 
Shock, horror, a politician actually follows through on their election promise.

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And anyway if someone from Karachi or Lahore can buy property/settle in Gilgit, Skardu or Muzaffarabad then why can’t someone from Delhi or Mumbai do the same in Jammu or Leh?

Changing the demographics of one part of Kashmir is fine (making the Shias a minority in G-B) but the Indians can’t do the same in J&K?
 
Shock, horror, a politician actually follows through on their election promise.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Centre notifies land law; anyone can now buy land in Jammu and Kashmir, Ladakh.<a href="https://t.co/OLeBfdo9t4">https://t.co/OLeBfdo9t4</a></p>— TIMES NOW (@TimesNow) <a href="https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1320995397188362240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


And anyway if someone from Karachi or Lahore can buy property/settle in Gilgit, Skardu or Muzaffarabad then why can’t someone from Delhi or Mumbai do the same in Jammu or Leh?

Changing the demographics of one part of Kashmir is fine (making the Shias a minority in G-B) but the Indians can’t do the same in J&K?

Kinda funny how hindus always keep talking about shia and sunni but barely ever about dalits and brahmins.

Anyway, you wanna buy land in Kashmir. Go ahead and good luck living there or starting a business there. You wanna buy land in Leh and Jammu? Newsflash, they dont want you come there, dare i say maybe even more fiercely than Kashmiris and you will see it soon enough.

Hindus continue to be fooled by BJP. And in their anti-muslimness, they cheer on decisions which will have no impact on 99.99% Indians while the real issues remain floating somewhere in the distant, ignored background.
 
Anyway, you wanna buy land in Kashmir. Go ahead and good luck living there or starting a business there. You wanna buy land in Leh and Jammu? Newsflash, they dont want you come there, dare i say maybe even more fiercely than Kashmiris and you will see it soon enough.


It's okay. Even Hyderabadis didn't want us to come here and fought fiercely for that back in '48.

And here I am living in the same city with 80% outsider population while "they" are stuck in a tiny corner (re. ghetto) in poor living conditions.

Time has this weird way of making people adjust to the circumstances. :)

Kashmir will be "outsider" majority in a few decades and everything will be back to normal. There's nothing you or me could do to change that.
 
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It's okay. Even Hyderabadis didn't want us to come here and fought fiercely for that back in '48.

And here I am living in the same city with 80% outsider population while "they" are stuck in a tiny corner (re. ghetto).

Time has this weird way of making people adjust to the circumstances. :)

Good luck :)
 
It's okay. Even Hyderabadis didn't want us to come here and fought fiercely for that back in '48.

And here I am living in the same city with 80% outsider population while "they" are stuck in a tiny corner (re. ghetto) in poor living conditions.

Time has this weird way of making people adjust to the circumstances. :)

Kashmir will be "outsider" majority in a few decades and everything will be back to normal. There's nothing you or me could do to change that.

Dude, Kashmiris will always be the majority in Kashmir. 370 or no 370

Indians have been moving around and buying land all over the rest of India for decades. Has any state or city ever become 'outsider dominated'?

It's not like Indians from all over India want to invade Kashmir and settle there.

This Pakistani propaganda can be hilarious sometimes.
 
Much needed I would say. Now private players can setup institutions and create local job market. Previously there was no incentive to spend years in Kashmir.
 
Bjp has succeeded in destroying the economy of kashmir, there are chances of many more kashmiris migrating to other parts of india for better opportunities, by the way their loyal supporters from jammu are losing patientce
 
Bjp has succeeded in destroying the economy of kashmir, there are chances of many more kashmiris migrating to other parts of india for better opportunities, by the way their loyal supporters from jammu are losing patientce

What is wrong if Kashmiris live and work in other parts of India? Aren’t they already doing that anyway?
 
Kinda funny how hindus always keep talking about shia and sunni but barely ever about dalits and brahmins.

Anyway, you wanna buy land in Kashmir. Go ahead and good luck living there or starting a business there. You wanna buy land in Leh and Jammu? Newsflash, they dont want you come there, dare i say maybe even more fiercely than Kashmiris and you will see it soon enough.

Hindus continue to be fooled by BJP. And in their anti-muslimness, they cheer on decisions which will have no impact on 99.99% Indians while the real issues remain floating somewhere in the distant, ignored background.

There is no Dailt and Brahmin concept anymore. Dalits get reservations and there are a lot of affluent Dalits now while on the other hand, since temples are under govt control lot of temple priests live in abject poverty. Now I am not saying that everything is rosy, I am sure in some remote village in a billion population, some discrimination will pop up somewhere but lol you talk as if this is the 1700’s maybe your education is stuck there that’s another debate.

Also proud of Hindus where a lot of social reformers took upon themselves to fight a lot of outdated customs.

Now what is this dare come to Kashmir challenge?

Firstly the richest guy living in Maharashtra is a Gujarati, the biggest superstar in Tamil Cinema is a Maharashtrian, there are plenty of affluent Sardar and Marwari businessmen in other South Indian states etc etc. This is Infact good for Kashmiris.

Once in a while a Kashmiri talent pops up but he/she are threatened by extremists like Zaira Wasim. We hear stories of some guy who passed the IAS was exam later joins extremism. So good that now skilled labor from other parts will build Kashmir and the locals will only benefit from this.

What’s your stake anyways, you don’t live there anyways
 
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There is no Dailt and Brahmin concept anymore. Dalits get reservations and there are a lot of affluent Dalits now while on the other hand, since temples are under govt control lot of temple priests live in abject poverty. Now I am not saying that everything is rosy, I am sure in some remote village in a billion population, some discrimination will pop up somewhere but lol you talk as if this is the 1700’s maybe your education is stuck there that’s another debate.

Also proud of Hindus where a lot of social reformers took upon themselves to fight a lot of outdated customs.

Now what is this dare come to Kashmir challenge?

Firstly the richest guy living in Maharashtra is a Gujarati, the biggest superstar in Tamil Cinema is a Maharashtrian, there are plenty of affluent Sardar and Marwari businessmen in other South Indian states etc etc. This is Infact good for Kashmiris.

Once in a while a Kashmiri talent pops up but he/she are threatened by extremists like Zaira Wasim. We hear stories of some guy who passed the IAS was exam later joins extremism. So good that now skilled labor from other parts will build Kashmir and the locals will only benefit from this.

What’s your stake anyways, you don’t live there anyways

Hyderabad model will put an end to all Kashmiri terrorism, extremism etc, give it 10 years, there wont be an separatists left. This big talk and threats, is pure hogwash and that is all they can do nothing else. What they gonna find the Indian Army and Law officers with ? stones :))...
 
Hours after the Centre amended laws allowing people from outside Jammu and Kashmir to buy land in the Union Territory, former chief minister and National Conference leader Omar Abdullah said the government has put “J&K on sale” and has done away with “even the tokenism of domicile”.

Over a year after the special status of the then state of Jammu and Kashmir was scrapped on August 5, 2019, the Ministry of Home Affairs Tuesday made several changes to the land laws, including allowing use of agricultural land for setting up facilities of public purpose.

In the recent amendment, the Centre has omitted the phrase “permanent resident of the state” from Section 17 of the Jammu and Kashmir Development Act that deals with disposal of land in the UT, essentially allowing non-residents to buy land there.


Several exemptions in the Act, however, enable transfer of agricultural land for non-agricultural purposes, including setting up of educational or health care facilities.

Slamming the new land laws, Abdullah said the newly introduced JK Development Act, which has come into force with immediate effect, was “hostile to the interests of the people of Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh”.


He said that with these new laws, “tokenism of the domicile certificate has been done away with as purchasing non-agricultural land has been made easier. These new laws are unacceptable to people of JK and Ladakh”.

Accusing the BJP of indulging in opportunistic politics, Omar said the issuance of the amended land rules notification smacks of its cheap politics and deceit.

“Interestingly the Centre waited till the elections to LAHDC had concluded and the BJP had won a majority before putting Ladakh also up for sale. This is what Ladakhis got for trusting the assurances of the BJP,” he said.

The People’s Alliance for Gupkar Declaration (PAGD) — an amalgam of seven mainstream parties in Jammu and Kashmir formed to restore the constitutional rights of Jammu and Kashmir as existed before August 5, 2019– condemned the changes in the land laws and vowed to fight these on all fronts.

PDP president Mehbooba Mufti, who has been elected the Vice Chairman of the PAGD, said it was a step to “disenfranchise” the people of Jammu and Kashmir.

“Yet another step that’s part of GOI’s nefarious designs to disempower & disenfranchise people of JK. From the unconstitutional scrapping of Article 370 to facilitating loot of our natural resources and finally putting land in JK up for sale,” she tweeted.

The government’s notification has replaced Section 30 and Part VII of the State Land Acquisition Act of 1990 with the Right to Fair Compensation and Transparency in Land Acquisition, Rehabilitation and Resettlement Act, 2013. The other major laws repealed by the notification includes the J&K Big Landed Estates (abolition) Act, a landmark act brought in by Sheikh Abdullah that gave land rights to landless tillers.

The JK Alienation of Land Act, 1995, the JK Common Lands (regulation) Act, 1956 and the JK Consolidation of Holdings Act, 1962 were also repealed.

Other laws to be repealed are the J&K Prevention of Fragmentation of Agricultural Holdings Act, 1960; JK Prohibition on Conversion of Land and Alienation of Orchards Act, 1975; the JK Right of Prior Purchase ACT, 1936 A.D; Section 3 of the J&K Tenancy (Stay of Ejectment Proceedings) Act 1966; the JK Utilisation of Land Act, 2010; and the J&K Underground Utilities (Acquisition of rights of user in land) Act.

The notification also maintains that government on the written request of an Army officer not below the rank of Corp Commander may declare an area as “strategic area” within a local area, only for direct operational and training requirements of armed forces, which may be excluded from the operation of this Act and rules and regulations made there under in the manner and to the extent.
 
Hyderabad model will put an end to all Kashmiri terrorism, extremism etc, give it 10 years, there wont be an separatists left. This big talk and threats, is pure hogwash and that is all they can do nothing else. What they gonna find the Indian Army and Law officers with ? stones :))...

Never seen anyone so happy with Ethnic Cleansing.
 
Never seen anyone so happy with Ethnic Cleansing.

Bro,

Pakistan has already shifted a lot of Punjabi Pakistanis to POK.

Also this extremism & terrorism cannot go on forever and ever, it must come to an end.

We both know Pakistan is not getting Indian Kashmir nor is India giving it away, so this is the only solution. These Kashmiris can learn to cooperate and live peacefully or they can choose to make it hard on themselves. However the Indian Kashmir issue as far as India is concerned, is soon coming to an end.

Another question here is, once India solves its Kashmir riddle, what will Pakistani military do, to convince the public that they should still control the economy when the Kashmiri freedom rhetoric is no longer valid..
 
Hyderabad model will put an end to all Kashmiri terrorism, extremism etc, give it 10 years, there wont be an separatists left. This big talk and threats, is pure hogwash and that is all they can do nothing else. What they gonna find the Indian Army and Law officers with ? stones :))...

Can you explain what you mean by Hyderabad model?
 
Bro,

Pakistan has already shifted a lot of Punjabi Pakistanis to POK.

Also this extremism & terrorism cannot go on forever and ever, it must come to an end.

We both know Pakistan is not getting Indian Kashmir nor is India giving it away, so this is the only solution. These Kashmiris can learn to cooperate and live peacefully or they can choose to make it hard on themselves. However the Indian Kashmir issue as far as India is concerned, is soon coming to an end.

Another question here is, once India solves its Kashmir riddle, what will Pakistani military do, to convince the public that they should still control the economy when the Kashmiri freedom rhetoric is no longer valid..

Funny how Indians keep confusing Azad Kashmir with IOK and think they have similar scenarios. Kashmiries don't hate Pakistanis and Pakistan never had a million armymem torturing, raping, murdering millions of Kashmirirs in Azad Kashmir.

You on the other hand needed a million army for 7 decades to keep an illegal hold of it, and you have done so through genecoide and still struggle through it, so it's not ever going to be yours based on the majority which is to remain Kashmiri there. And Indians won't line up to move to Kashmir like they daily do in millions to US or Canada or anywhere else in the world other than India :)

This wishful thinking is all what it ll remain that Kashmir will ever be your integral part. It's funny how you completely disregard the fact that Kashmiris hate "India" because of your inhumane treatment and never want to be with you. Thousands have died for freedom so the struggle is to continue. You ll always need a million army there, such biggest democracy that you need a million army to hold a place to call it yours through curfew and murdering....Biggest democracy where an entire region is under a vicious killing regime for decades and the only way to keep a hold of it. Waaah :)
 
Bjp has succeeded in destroying the economy of kashmir, there are chances of many more kashmiris migrating to other parts of india for better opportunities, by the way their loyal supporters from jammu are losing patientce

No surprises that India has economically and socially gone downhill since the brought a facist party into power. I mean what else were the expecting how hate mongering of jahil dehaatis and chai walas running a country ll turn out? Not just that but the humiliation they have received from neighboring countries (Pak and China) by displaying uncalled aggression has only brought world wide humiliation to them, hence their wingless commanders have never dared wandering over and neither their leaders have been courageous enough to do so since their epic humiliation.
 
Man whose family own properties all over India and the world whining about outsiders being able to buy property in Kashmir.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unacceptable amendments to the land ownership laws of J&K. Even the tokenism of domicile has been done away with when purchasing non-agricultural land & transfer of agricultural land has been made easier. J&K is now up for sale & the poorer small land holding owners will suffer.</p>— Omar Abdullah (@OmarAbdullah) <a href="https://twitter.com/OmarAbdullah/status/1321015482544054273?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Who would want to buy anything in that No Man's Land anyway?
 
Funny how Indians keep confusing Azad Kashmir with IOK and think they have similar scenarios. Kashmiries don't hate Pakistanis and Pakistan never had a million armymem torturing, raping, murdering millions of Kashmirirs in Azad Kashmir.

You on the other hand needed a million army for 7 decades to keep an illegal hold of it, and you have done so through genecoide and still struggle through it, so it's not ever going to be yours based on the majority which is to remain Kashmiri there. And Indians won't line up to move to Kashmir like they daily do in millions to US or Canada or anywhere else in the world other than India :)

This wishful thinking is all what it ll remain that Kashmir will ever be your integral part. It's funny how you completely disregard the fact that Kashmiris hate "India" because of your inhumane treatment and never want to be with you. Thousands have died for freedom so the struggle is to continue. You ll always need a million army there, such biggest democracy that you need a million army to hold a place to call it yours through curfew and murdering....Biggest democracy where an entire region is under a vicious killing regime for decades and the only way to keep a hold of it. Waaah :)

No. Indians won't go to Kashmir like they line up for Canada or US. Not just yet. However, Ambani will. Adani will and Tata etc etc. They will build industries there. Hospitality tycoons will build hotels, resorts etc and employ Kashmiris there.

As time goes on, most of the educated and uneducated Kashmiris will be working for these companies. You will see Indians trickling down slowly working as colleagues in these companies. In a generation or two, you couldn't tell who's a native kashmiri and who's not. It's a gradual process. Yes separatism is a.good rhetoric but when it comes to economy and survival, people.always think.for themselves. They want jobs, they want development.
 
‘Himalayan lie’: India raids over Kashmir ‘terror funds’ slammed

Activists and rights groups have condemned Indian agency’s raids on non-governmental organisations, activists and journalists in Indian-administered Kashmir, national capital New Delhi and the southern city of Bengaluru over alleged “terror funding” in the disputed region.

The National Investigation Agency (NIA) conducted a series of raids in those places on Wednesday and Thursday, accusing several “non-profit groups and charitable trusts” of collecting funds and using them for “carrying out secessionist and separatist activities”.

India’s crackdown on Kashmiri rebels, leaders and activists has escalated since August 2019 when New Delhi scrapped the special status of the Muslim-majority region, also claimed by Pakistan.

Among those raided were Kashmir-based rights activists Khurram Parvez and Parveena Ahangar, the office of the Greater Kashmir newspaper, the house of Agence France-Presse’s (AFP) Kashmir correspondent Parvaiz Bukhari, and the properties of former Delhi Minority Commission chairman Zafarul Islam Khan in the national capital.

The groups raided by the NIA included the Falah-e-Aam Trust, Charity Alliance, Human Welfare Foundation, JK Yateem Foundation, Salvation Movement, and J&K Voice of Victims.

‘Himalayan lie’
Khan, 72, who heads the New Delhi-based Charity Alliance, told Al Jazeera the NIA’s allegation of his NGO funding terror in Indian-administered Kashmir was a “Himalayan lie”.

“Apart from some relief work like sending medicines, blankets and giving some very small monetary help to flood victims, we have no work worth mention in Kashmir,” he wrote.

Calling the raids “well-planned and choreographed”, Khan said he had “no contacts” with Kashmiri rebels and has not visited the region in many years.

The former Delhi state minority panel chief accused the government led by right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) of targeting him for his report on the religious violence in the city earlier this year – the worst in decades, which killed at least 53 people, most of them Muslims.

“They are trying to penalise me for my work in the Delhi Minorities Commission, especially the report on the northeast Delhi riots,” Khan said.

‘Authoritarian tactics’
The NIA raids were also criticised by global rights watchdogs.

The Human Rights Watch on Friday said the BJP government was using “counterterrorism operations to silence peaceful dissenters, human rights activists, and journalists” by bringing in “politically motivated criminal cases” against them.

“Using authoritarian tactics against outspoken critics and journalists needs to stop,” said Meenakshi Ganguly, HRW’s South Asia director.

Another statement released by the Amnesty International on Thursday said there was a “worrying pattern” in India where anti-terror and foreign funding laws were “being repeatedly and deliberately weaponised to intimidate, harass and restrict the ability of civil society groups from operating”.

“These raids are an alarming reminder that India’s government is determined to suppress all dissenting voices in Jammu and Kashmir,” said Amnesty’s Julie Verhaar.

The raids came days after Indian authorities sealed the office of an English daily, the Kashmir Times, causing outrage from journalists and condemnation from global media watchdogs.

Last week, the office of United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet called out India’s “problematic” and “vaguely-worded” laws that are increasingly being used to quell voices in civil society.

The three such laws Bachelet identified were the Unlawful Activities Prevention Act (UAPA), the Foreign Contribution Regulation Act (FCRA) and the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA).


Last month, Amnesty International’s India office said it was forced to halt its work after its bank accounts were frozen by the government over alleged FCRA violations.

India’s Hindu nationalist government has used the stringent UAPA to arrest and jail dozens of Muslim activists who had protested against the passage of the CAA in December last year.

The law fast-tracks Indian nationality for all minorities from neighbouring Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, except Muslims, a provision critics say is unconstitutional.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...india-raids-over-kashmir-terror-funds-slammed
 
Shops and businesses are shut in several parts of Indian-administered Kashmir in a general strike called to protest against new laws that allow Indians to buy land in the disputed region.

Pro-India politicians in Kashmir have also criticised the laws, which came into effect on Tuesday and allow any of its nationals to buy land in the region, and accused India of putting Kashmir’s land up for sale.

The shutdown call was made by a separatist group headed by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, who condemned the new laws as part of New Delhi’s “policy of permanent demographic change”.

Government forces in riot gear patrolled streets in Indian-administered Kashmir’s main city of Srinagar on Saturday.

Until last year, Indians were not allowed to buy property in the region.

But in August 2019, Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government scrapped Kashmir’s special status, annulled its separate constitution, split the region into two federal territories – Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh – and subsequently removed inherited protections on land and jobs.

The action triggered widespread anger and economic ruin amid a harsh security clampdown and communications blackout.

Kashmir residents expressed their resentment against the new laws and termed it India’s settler-colonial project.

“Our voices since last year have been completely choked,” Mushtaq Wani, a 50-year-old businessman in Srinagar, told Al Jazeera.

“This is our silent protest to contest the new laws. Our fate is like Palestine now – we will be made as slaves with no opportunities and no rights in our own homes. We don’t know when we will be thrown out of our own homes and we cannot say a word.”

Another resident, Muhammad, 35, who did not want to give his full name, said he feared for his family’s future.

“Whatever happened in the last three decades, we still had a little protection [in] that we owned land and homes and outsiders were barred to settle here,” he said.

“But now, that is being taken away from us. It seems this will make the lives of our children and the coming generations seem like powerless strangers in their own land.”

Muhammad added that India was imposing its culture and language on Kashmiris.

“They are issuing orders in Hindi, changing signs to Hindi and we don’t understand that,” he said. “We don’t know what are [they] going to do with our land, property and our lives.”

India’s move in August 2019 triggered widespread anger and economic ruin amid a harsh security clampdown and communications blackout.

Since then, India has brought in a slew of changes through new laws.

Kashmir is divided between India and Pakistan, with both claiming the region in its entirety but governing partially.

The new laws also authorise the Indian army to declare any area as “strategic” for operational, residential and training purposes against Kashmiri rebels.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...ndias-new-land-laws?__twitter_impression=true
 
Although this has happened few days, this deserves a mention here.
https://www.telegraphindia.com/indi...hant-jai-sri-ram-and-wear-a-tilak/cid/1797874

Kahmir BJP chief sets new goal: chant 'Jai Sri Ram' and wear a tilak
Article 370 provisions junked, Jammu and Kashmir BJP chief Ravinder Raina has set himself and his party a new goal.

He wants to force former chief ministers Farooq Abdullah, Mehbooba Mufti and Ghulam Nabi Azad to chant “Jai Sri Ram” and wear a tilak.

Many in Jammu and Kashmir believe that Article 370, which gave special rights to permanent residents, was scrapped to change the Muslim-majority character of the erstwhile state. Remarks like Raina’s can only add to their fears.

Raina, seen by many as a loose cannon, has risen through the ranks in his party. He is known for making inflammatory remarks, and with elections approaching he is always willing to walk the extra mile.

“Just wait and watch. You will see what more they have to do. They will have to wear a tilak and chant ‘Jai Sri Ram’,” Raina told a local TV channel in Jammu on Tuesday.

“They will have to chant ‘Jai Sri Ram’ in the future. Whether it’s the NC (National Conference), PDP (People’s Democratic Party), Congress, (Farooq) Abdullah, (Mehbooba) Mufti, Ghulam-shulam (Ghulam Nabi Azad). No matter how many they are, they will have to chant ‘Bharat Mata ki jai’ and ‘Jai Sri Ram’.”

The National Conference and the PDP are part of a seven-party alliance campaigning for the restoration of Article 370. The alliance will be contesting the maiden district development council elections, beginning from November 28, to rally support for its agenda.

Raina had gone into a shell recently after the Centre changed the laws to allow outsiders to own land in Jammu and Kashmir. The decision has enraged many Jammu Hindus, called Dogras, who see it as an assault on their culture.

The local Congress leadership’s decision to have a poll tie-up with the alliance has now given Raina an opportunity to bounce back with a vengeance. The Congress has clarified that it is not part of the alliance, which suggests it only wants a seat-sharing arrangement.

Raina threatened to send all the Valley’s mainstream politicians to jail and said that whatever they ate would be pulled out through their nose.

“Yeh Gokkar gang waley, yeh ghaddar, loteri, daku, desh de ghaddar, sarey atankwadi, Pakistani (This Gupkar gang, these traitors, thieves, bandits, traitors against the country, all are terrorists, Pakistani). They are taking money from China to vitiate the atmosphere in Jammu and Kashmir." he said.

"People will teach them a lesson. They know the BJP will sweep the elections."

He added: “Bharat mein agar rehna hai toh ‘Bharat Mata ki jai’ kehna hoga. Tiranga haat mein lena hoga (If you have to live in India you must chant ‘Victory to Bharat Mata’ and hold the Tricolour).”

Mehbooba has refused to hold the national flag until Jammu and Kashmir’s former state flag has been restored.

PDP spokesperson Najmus Saqib said Raina wanted to pit one community against another for votes and divert the people’s attention from issues such as joblessness.

“The ruling alliance in Bihar has not a single Muslim candidate (MLA); it’s a reflection of what they want to eventually do in Kashmir,” Saqib told The Telegraph.

“This is brazen communalism. The people of India will have to decide whether they want to live in a theocratic Hindutva society or... a secular state.”
 
Mehbooba Mufti says only motive behind Article 370 move seems to loot J&K

The former chief minister also said there is no policy to restore the UT’s economy with rising unemployment and inflation.

Former Jammu and Kashmir chief minister and Peoples’ Democratic Party (PDP) leader Mehbooba Mufti hit out at the Central government on Monday over the economy of the Union territory and the recent dismissal of government employees.

She said abrogation of Article 370 of the Constitution that granted special status to the erstwhile state seemed to have been carried out to rob Jammu & Kashmir of its resources. “It seems the only motive behind the abrogation was to loot J&K. People from outside are being given top positions at Chenab Valley Power Projects. Our water and electricity are going outside. Our transporters are in trouble. They have to pay toll taxes and more,” the PDP chief, who is on a tour of the region, was quoted as saying by news agency ANI.

She further said articles 370, 35 (A) of the Constitution and other domicile laws were not granted by any foreign country, but introduced by the then ruler Hari Singh. “Even before the nation gave us these, the Maharaja had brought it to protect the identity of people of J&K. When people decided to be a part of India, he said that we have these laws that have to be upheld,” Mufti said. The two articles were scrapped by the Narendra Modi-led government in August 2019 and the state was bifurcated into two Union territories.

The former chief minister said there is no policy to restore the UT’s economy. “There is unemployment and inflation are rising. Earlier, they used to say that Jammu & Kashmir is backward, but we were ahead on several indices. But if their onslaught over economy continues, our situation will become worse than Gujarat as far as poverty is concerned,” Mufti said.

When asked about her comments on the sacking of 11 government employees, including two sons of Hizbul Mujahideen chief Syed Salahuddin, she said she did support anybody but children cannot be held responsible for their father’s deeds. Mehbooba said on Sunday the dismissals done on flimsy grounds was criminal and the Centre was continued “disempowering” the people of Jammu and Kashmir in the “garb of pseudo nationalism by trampling” the Constitution.

“I'm not supporting anyone. You cannot hold a child responsible for actions of his father unless and until you have proof. These are not 11 people. They have sacked about 20-25 people this year,” Mufti said.

“I have said this again and again. You can capture a man but not an idea. You have to address the idea, as Vajpayee ji did. Witch-hunting, criminalisation of dissent is taking our nation back,” she added.

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