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Narendra Modi moves to attract non-Kashmiris with land in Indian occupied Kashmir

Modi is probably just throwing meat to his base, you know the fanatical ones that want to ban cow slaughter and make Hindustan great again.

Instead of making moves and looking for solutions to make Kashmir peaceful they want to douse more oil on a well lit fire.

Modi is a crazy lunatic.
 
Unfortunately someone decided to go to the courts on the Babri masjid issue and hence the matter is in the supreme court.

We are a functioning democracy ruled by a constitution something you wont understand.

You are right I do not understand one of the biggest democracy regressing to elect Hindu extremists.

I’m glad we aren’t that kind of democracy.

Indian courts? Haha
 
You are right I do not understand one of the biggest democracy regressing to elect Hindu extremists.

I’m glad we aren’t that kind of democracy.

Indian courts? Haha

India will not elect leaders according to the choice of Pakistanis. Your view about who is extremist means zilch.

Yes you only have army that does genocides.

Yes better than Pakistani courts that allow UN sanctioned terrorists to roam around freely.
 
Modi is probably just throwing meat to his base, you know the fanatical ones that want to ban cow slaughter and make Hindustan great again.

Instead of making moves and looking for solutions to make Kashmir peaceful they want to douse more oil on a well lit fire.

Modi is a crazy lunatic.

Cow slaughter is banned in India since 1956.

Peace is made with people who want peace not with people who are holding AK 47s and killing people.
 
They want to be more integrated with rest of the country.

Lol at foreigners.

Integrated with the country in the legal/administrative sense.

And J&K doesn't have any big urban center, there's no Mumbai-like city to "absorb" a multitude of cultures and ethnicities of the economic migrants (is there even the industry to give enough jobs to even its own peoples ?), so what do you think will happen when they'll see hordes of peoples from UP/Bihar storming into their cities ? They'll see it as an invasion.

If tomorrow Dogras or Kashmiris move by the 100 000s into Patna it'd be the same, they'll be target of hate or even violence.
 
India will not elect leaders according to the choice of Pakistanis. Your view about who is extremist means zilch.

Yes you only have army that does genocides.

Yes better than Pakistani courts that allow UN sanctioned terrorists to roam around freely.

Court in a nation that has elected a extremists Hindu, sure.

Yet US decided to stop talking about it anymore.

Understandably you support extremists ka d I give you props for opensly supporting it but do not get offended when people call you out on it.
 
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What's funny is that India is kicking out Bengali immigrants from West Bengal and Assam despite them being of the same or similar ethnicity because they don't want a demographic change yet the same Indians have no issue with changing the demographics of Jammu and Kashmir by settling non alien ethnic groups.
 
Cow slaughter is banned in India since 1956.

Peace is made with people who want peace not with people who are holding AK 47s and killing people.

As history is the witness the only way peace made in India when India is divided to protect the minority and as history is repeating, persecution of minority has increased under the extremists Hindu government.
 
Cow slaughter is banned in India since 1956.

Peace is made with people who want peace not with people who are holding AK 47s and killing people.

That’s true. Modi and his crazy lunatics in Gujarat did not use Ak-47s as all they needed was Knives, bats and Petrol to kill thousands of women and children.

Joshila do you consider these people noble warriors ?? Is this the way to make peace ?? Or the peace you made with the Sikhs during the Bluestar operation ?
 
What's funny is that India is kicking out Bengali immigrants from West Bengal and Assam despite them being of the same or similar ethnicity because they don't want a demographic change yet the same Indians have no issue with changing the demographics of Jammu and Kashmir by settling non alien ethnic groups.

They are illegally into India. BD is a separate country and India isnt responsible for feeding and maintaining them.

J and K is a part of India as per tge accession of its king.
 
That’s true. Modi and his crazy lunatics in Gujarat did not use Ak-47s as all they needed was Knives, bats and Petrol to kill thousands of women and children.

Joshila do you consider these people noble warriors ?? Is this the way to make peace ?? Or the peace you made with the Sikhs during the Bluestar operation ?

You have any proof of Modi's involvement in Gujarat riots?

Bullet has to be answered with bullets. People who drove out 400k Pandits and killed 100s are not saints

Punjab is one of the most well to do states on India. Khalistani radicals are long gone
 
You have any proof of Modi's involvement in Gujarat riots?

Bullet has to be answered with bullets. People who drove out 400k Pandits and killed 100s are not saints

Punjab is one of the most well to do states on India. Khalistani radicals are long gone

Are those the one Indian forces are using for target practice?
 
You have any proof of Modi's involvement in Gujarat riots?

Bullet has to be answered with bullets. People who drove out 400k Pandits and killed 100s are not saints

Punjab is one of the most well to do states on India. Khalistani radicals are long gone

Wah Gazab kee baat hai

Tell me where you want to kill me, i am ready
 
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Good move by Modi.

It's time to make Kashmir an inclusive, diverse place and slowly repeal the 35A.
 
What's funny is that India is kicking out Bengali immigrants from West Bengal and Assam despite them being of the same or similar ethnicity because they don't want a demographic change yet the same Indians have no issue with changing the demographics of Jammu and Kashmir by settling non alien ethnic groups.

Dude you have no idea regarding the issue in Assam. I am from Assam btw.

Those Bengali immigrants are getting kicked out because they are illegal and NOT an Indian citizen. I repeat, KICKED OUT because not an INDIAN CITIZEN.
 
Are those the one Indian forces are using for target practice?

When you are being attacked by AK 47s or when you are stranded in a place where hundreds are pelting stones at you, you have the right to defend yourself.
 
If Indian Muslims had any decency towards the Kashmiri Muslims and to their own faith, they would take this land.

But I doubt the government would allow all of this land going to more Muslims. They want Hindu's to take this land, which shows India is not a secular liberal nation as it fools itself into believing . Its run by extremists.
 
When you are being attacked by AK 47s or when you are stranded in a place where hundreds are pelting stones at you, you have the right to defend yourself.

When you are occupied by 500,000 soldiers in the land where you ancestors have been for ages, you have the right to defend yourself.

500,000 soldiers is not defending yourself it is an offensive invasion.

Nice trying to twist things around.
 
When you are occupied by 500,000 soldiers in the land where you ancestors have been for ages, you have the right to defend yourself.

500,000 soldiers is not defending yourself it is an offensive invasion.

Nice trying to twist things around.

The soldiers had to go their because 100s of Kashmiri hindus were killed and 100s of 1000s were displaced. When someone starts a religion induced terror movement there will be consequences.

Kashmir was a peaceful place before Pakistan supplied guns reached there in late 80s.

Read history please.
 
If Indian Muslims had any decency towards the Kashmiri Muslims and to their own faith, they would take this land.

But I doubt the government would allow all of this land going to more Muslims. They want Hindu's to take this land, which shows India is not a secular liberal nation as it fools itself into believing . Its run by extremists.

Indian muslims do not subscribe to the views of Pakistanis, thats the reason they didnt go there.

When Art 35A is scrapped, any Indian can settle in Kashmir.
 
The soldiers had to go their because 100s of Kashmiri hindus were killed and 100s of 1000s were displaced. When someone starts a religion induced terror movement there will be consequences.

Kashmir was a peaceful place before Pakistan supplied guns reached there in late 80s.

Read history please.

You need to revisit history.

Kashmir always had seperatist desires.

It didnt help when India rigged their elections to install puppets there.

They wanted autonomy, India did not give them autonomy. Hence you have seperatists.

You can blame Pakistan for a lot of things, but that want for freedom since 1947 was always there, it was not manufactured by Pakistan.

Blame Pakistan all you want, as far as Pakistan is concerned, it agrees with the majority of Kashmiris that India is an occupying force.

You oppress and occupy, then point fingers when others resort to violence to respond with your violence.
 
Hindu extremist? Can you tell me which Hindu has been arrested for terrorist activities in west?Is this a new pakistani narrative?

Please tag me if you EVER get a response to this question .... I know you have asked this many times.
 
You need to revisit history.

How far back in history do you want to go ? Give me a number - 100 yrs , 200 yrs, 500 yrs 1000 yrs ? Once we agree upon a number we can then debate on who oppressed who and the rest of your post.
 
Indian muslims do not subscribe to the views of Pakistanis, thats the reason they didnt go there.

When Art 35A is scrapped, any Indian can settle in Kashmir.

This is not the aim here , it is to get Hindu's or other Non-Muslims to move into the lands. Modi wants a Hindu Kashmir which he will probably never see in his liftetime.
 
The soldiers had to go their because 100s of Kashmiri hindus were killed and 100s of 1000s were displaced. When someone starts a religion induced terror movement there will be consequences.

Kashmir was a peaceful place before Pakistan supplied guns reached there in late 80s.

Read history please.

Soldiers were already there before the Kashmiri Bandit event happened.
 
How far back in history do you want to go ? Give me a number - 100 yrs , 200 yrs, 500 yrs 1000 yrs ? Once we agree upon a number we can then debate on who oppressed who and the rest of your post.

Lets go as far back as when India was officially a country.
 
Please tag me if you EVER get a response to this question .... I know you have asked this many times.

An extremist is not defined by if he carries out an attack in the west lol.

What are you guys fox news reporters.

A person who kills another because of allegations (unproved, not that this fact matters), of eating beef (due to his religious conviction that cows should not be eaten), is a religious extremist.
 
Please tag me if you EVER get a response to this question .... I know you have asked this many times.

Its the persons ideology which makes them an extremist, what they believe not just what they do.

Modi has the same ideology of the RSS which he was affiliated with. Do you know their history and if so do you deny them to be extremists?
 
Its the persons ideology which makes them an extremist, what they believe not just what they do.

Modi has the same ideology of the RSS which he was affiliated with. Do you know their history and if so do you deny them to be extremists?

Please tell me about the RSS history.
 
An extremist is not defined by if he carries out an attack in the west lol.

What are you guys fox news reporters.

A person who kills another because of allegations (unproved, not that this fact matters), of eating beef (due to his religious conviction that cows should not be eaten), is a religious extremist.

So all murderers are religious extremist until proven otherwise?
 
So all murderers are religious extremist until proven otherwise?

You are too intelligent to be making arguments like that.

Definition of extremist: a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, especially one who resorts to or advocates extreme action.

Killing someone over a religious belief of eating beef falls under this definition of fanatical religious views and advocating extreme action.

I am not saying all murderers are religious extremists.
 
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You need to revisit history.

Kashmir always had seperatist desires.

It didnt help when India rigged their elections to install puppets there.

They wanted autonomy, India did not give them autonomy. Hence you have seperatists.

You can blame Pakistan for a lot of things, but that want for freedom since 1947 was always there, it was not manufactured by Pakistan.

Blame Pakistan all you want, as far as Pakistan is concerned, it agrees with the majority of Kashmiris that India is an occupying force.

You oppress and occupy, then point fingers when others resort to violence to respond with your violence.

So the Kashmiri hindus were occupiers? Really?

So if Kashmiris and Indians had an issue it gave Pakistan the right to supply guns,train terrorists and fund them?






Catalonia has separatist tendencies. They tried a referendum and their leaders are now in jail. Thats how separatism is dealt with worldwide. Pakistan did even worse to BD and Balochistan.
 
Its the persons ideology which makes them an extremist, what they believe not just what they do.

Modi has the same ideology of the RSS which he was affiliated with. Do you know their history and if so do you deny them to be extremists?


Iam a data and facts bound person ... lets see the list of bombings, major acts of violence the likes that have been undertaken by Al-Qaeda, ISIS , Taliban and we will discuss. Remember the Pakistani or Indian version doesnt count. Start with neutral accounts.

This is where you will either exit the thread or shift the goal post.
 
So the Kashmiri hindus were occupiers? Really?

So if Kashmiris and Indians had an issue it gave Pakistan the right to supply guns,train terrorists and fund them?






Catalonia has separatist tendencies. They tried a referendum and their leaders are now in jail. Thats how separatism is dealt with worldwide. Pakistan did even worse to BD and Balochistan.

Exactly. And what did Indian government do?

Did they not support mukti bahini?

Pakistan did oppress Bangladesh, the result was an armed struggle.

India didn't create that resentment in the heart of Bangladeshis, Pakistan did. India merely aided the fire.

Literally same thing is happening in IOK.

I hope you are able to see the bigger picture and the moral parallels.
 
We are talking about Kashmir wanting to be independent from India.

So lets talk about whats relevant.

Try again, good try on attempting to change the goal posts. Stay on topic.
 
Please tell me about the RSS history.

Iam a data and facts bound person ... lets see the list of bombings, major acts of violence the likes that have been undertaken by Al-Qaeda, ISIS , Taliban and we will discuss. Remember the Pakistani or Indian version doesnt count. Start with neutral accounts.

This is where you will either exit the thread or shift the goal post.

Dont take my word for it, this is an Indian Hindu journalist who has produced a very good report. Since Modi has become leader hundreds of attacks on minorties including over 150 on Christians have taken place. Modi now wants to see Hindu's take over Kashmir. He is a fanatic, extremist not a man of peace but his supporters are the same.

 
Dont take my word for it, this is an Indian Hindu journalist who has produced a very good report. Since Modi has become leader hundreds of attacks on minorties including over 150 on Christians have taken place. Modi now wants to see Hindu's take over Kashmir. He is a fanatic, extremist not a man of peace but his supporters are the same.


Al Jazeera.lol.

Lets do some maths here. 150 attacks in 4 years among a nation of 1.3 bn. How many attacks per capita?

How many attacks of these cow vigilantes in 4 years?

Where does it say that only Hindus will be allowed to settle in Kashmir? Any source on that?

Dont need sermons on who is a extremist from someone who supports terrorist attacks on US and India in Afghanistan.
 
Dont take my word for it, this is an Indian Hindu journalist who has produced a very good report. Since Modi has become leader hundreds of attacks on minorties including over 150 on Christians have taken place. Modi now wants to see Hindu's take over Kashmir. He is a fanatic, extremist not a man of peace but his supporters are the same.

This is equivalent to what AQ, ISIS, Taliban do in your view ? How many people dead, how many suicide bombings, how many battles against national armies like the AQ, ISIS and Taliban have been fighting for years ?
 
We are talking about Kashmir wanting to be independent from India.

So lets talk about whats relevant.

Try again, good try on attempting to change the goal posts. Stay on topic.

So this is the root cause of the problem. You people want everyone to believe that this is all new. Problem is this has been happening for centuries. The first shots in this nonsense were fired by Muslims who have a penchant for subjugating anyone that doesnt subscribe to their ideology. At some point the Hindus said enough is enough and now you are feeling the pain. What goes around eventually comes around. No one today will give you an inch. You fire 1 bullet you will get 10 bullets back. Welcome to reality.
 
So this is the root cause of the problem. You people want everyone to believe that this is all new. Problem is this has been happening for centuries. The first shots in this nonsense were fired by Muslims who have a penchant for subjugating anyone that doesnt subscribe to their ideology. At some point the Hindus said enough is enough and now you are feeling the pain. What goes around eventually comes around. No one today will give you an inch. You fire 1 bullet you will get 10 bullets back. Welcome to reality.

This is a Pakistan - Kashmir - India issue.

If this was a hindu - muslim issue then the 200 million muslims in India would be on the Pakistani side. But they are not, they are on your side.

Why are you hell bent on alienating all muslims in India even though they are loyal to your country.

We are talking about Kashmir here, the Kashmiris want independence from India, not all muslims.
 
Great decision by Modi.

India should not care what the world or Pakistan think.

Once we have enough UP/Biharis in Kashmir, watch the uprising fizzle out.

India should also bring in Hyderabadi and Keralite Muslims am down teach Kashmiris how to live in harmony.

This was long over due.
 
Look up for "Saffron terror".

It's Indians' (Khangress) own expression.

.... And now you believe the claims made by Congress starting to make sense all of a sudden..... (Because it suits your agenda perhaps)?
 
This is a Pakistan - Kashmir - India issue.

If this was a hindu - muslim issue then the 200 million muslims in India would be on the Pakistani side. But they are not, they are on your side.

Why are you hell bent on alienating all muslims in India even though they are loyal to your country.

We are talking about Kashmir here, the Kashmiris want independence from India, not all muslims.

Just a small correction.

This is indian govt and Kashmir state issue. That's it.

Pakistan has no jurisdiction over it.

In this case, Pakistan is just like that aunt in the neighborhood who tries to poke her head in every internal matter of others house but fails to gain the attention that she wants.
 
We will fight till last drop of our blood to save article 35 A
 
Just a small correction.

This is indian govt and Kashmir state issue. That's it.

Pakistan has no jurisdiction over it.

In this case, Pakistan is just like that aunt in the neighborhood who tries to poke her head in every internal matter of others house but fails to gain the attention that she wants.

o bhai, Pakistan has half of Kashmir too, which you guys call "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir" and which Indians say is also an integral part of India.

it is a dispute certainly in which Pakistan is involved.

This isnt my point of view, even your government says Kashmir is an internal matter between Pakistan and India any time Pakistan brings up Kashmir at the UN.
 
I am surprised it took this long. From posts by Indian members on this site, it has been clear for some time that the land was coveted by those belonging to the Hindu community and it being a majority Muslim state has been an obstacle since partition.
 
Should have been done a long time ago. But better late than never.

I am amazed it took this long. Kashmiris can buy land anywhere in India but rest of India cannot buy any land in Kashmir ????????? That fricken Nehru, hope he is burning in hell, he betrayed the country in so many ways............ Its time to clean up this Kashmir thing once and for all, once we get a whole bunch of ppl from rest of India settled in Kashmir, it will be the end of Pakistani infiltration and peace will prevail, India finally has a leader with a backbone... Lets hope this goes through...
 
I am amazed it took this long. Kashmiris can buy land anywhere in India but rest of India cannot buy any land in Kashmir ????????? That fricken Nehru, hope he is burning in hell, he betrayed the country in so many ways............ Its time to clean up this Kashmir thing once and for all, once we get a whole bunch of ppl from rest of India settled in Kashmir, it will be the end of Pakistani infiltration and peace will prevail, India finally has a leader with a backbone... Lets hope this goes through...

When has Congress ever given us anything but misery? That Nehru wasn't even supposed to be the PM, it was the honorable Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel. But that fox became the PM by means of deceit and blackmailing Gandhi. In return he gifted us the Kashmir headache, the 1962 defeat to the Chinese, and many other problems. For once we have got a PM with a spine, someone who walks the talk rather than babbling lectures in thin air.
 
I am amazed it took this long. Kashmiris can buy land anywhere in India but rest of India cannot buy any land in Kashmir ????????? That fricken Nehru, hope he is burning in hell, he betrayed the country in so many ways............ Its time to clean up this Kashmir thing once and for all, once we get a whole bunch of ppl from rest of India settled in Kashmir, it will be the end of Pakistani infiltration and peace will prevail, India finally has a leader with a backbone... Lets hope this goes through...

You are aware that Nehru was a Kashmiri.... the fact that he didn't want non Kashmiris to move in should tell you something.

It is actually a very wise and quite commendable that both countries thus far not tried to disturb the local demographics of the state till the issue is settled.

It's a disputed territory... you can put your head in the sand and pretend otherwise. But it is.

Any other decision than keeping status quo is really a decleration of war on the Kashmiris....

It's Ok for all you guys chest thumping in this thread, who are either sitting other side of the world or thousand miles away within India, and blowback will be just evening news entertainment. But it will set back peace in subcontinent for generations. The day that fight gets taken to outside of Kashmir valley and starts affecting your daily life, you will begin to understand that such actions have severe consequences.... then most of you will be far more reflective than chest thumping.
 
Any other decision than keeping status quo is really a decleration of war on the Kashmiris....

It's Ok for all you guys chest thumping in this thread, who are either sitting other side of the world or thousand miles away within India, and blowback will be just evening news entertainment. But it will set back peace in subcontinent for generations. The day that fight gets taken to outside of Kashmir valley and starts affecting your daily life, you will begin to understand that such actions have severe consequences.... then most of you will be far more reflective than chest thumping.

It already is war in Kashmir, it wont get any worse. However in the long run there will be peace, once we have a large share of Indians from other parts of India settled in Kashmir. The Pakistani infiltration from across the border will die out along with all this rock throwing eventually after effect will be a more peaceful atmosphere ... Nothing wrong in it, Indian Kashmir is part of India and every Indian should be able to buy a piece of land in India, no ifs or buts... Fully behind the Modi government....
 
When has Congress ever given us anything but misery? That Nehru wasn't even supposed to be the PM, it was the honorable Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel. But that fox became the PM by means of deceit and blackmailing Gandhi. In return he gifted us the Kashmir headache, the 1962 defeat to the Chinese, and many other problems. For once we have got a PM with a spine, someone who walks the talk rather than babbling lectures in thin air.


He was a rock, had Patel been the PM, India would have been in a much better state today.... It wasn't meant to be, instead we got a coward like Nehru to tamper with the country.
 
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Nothing new, India has always been referred to Israel - many southern Hindus and even plenty of Sikhs have been given land and houses in IOK
 
It already is war in Kashmir, it wont get any worse. However in the long run there will be peace, once we have a large share of Indians from other parts of India settled in Kashmir. The Pakistani infiltration from across the border will die out along with all this rock throwing eventually after effect will be a more peaceful atmosphere ... Nothing wrong in it, Indian Kashmir is part of India and every Indian should be able to buy a piece of land in India, no ifs or buts... Fully behind the Modi government....

What infiltration ? The latest gen. of Kashmiri freedom fighters are all natives, Burhan Wani, Saddam Padder, ... there are even "Hindu jihadis" from Jammu - the last demographics to take up weapons, as per the Indian narrative -, and if there are hordes of UPites/Biharis/whatever storming into J&K, the same Dogras who are now the poster-boys of the Indian federation in the state will also change their tunes.

If Marathis don't accept their Mumbai being "invaded" (, despite being a major economic hub so more prone to shape a "multicultural" identity, how do you expect peoples in J&K (and not only the Valley) to do the same ?

The Shiv Sena arose because in Mumbai you had migrants controlling the industries, as well as white and blue-collar workers, despite everyone being a "Hindu".
 
He was a rock, had Patel been the PM, India would have been in a much better state today.... It wasn't meant to be, instead we got a coward like Nehru to tamper with the country.

Just looked him up and it says he died in 1950.

That's the trade-off then in hindsight: would we have been better off as a leader who died just a year or two in like Jinnah leaving everything in the lurch?

Neither positive nor negative about Nehru, but at least he lasted long enough to set up a lot of stuff.
 
Just looked him up and it says he died in 1950.

That's the trade-off then in hindsight: would we have been better off as a leader who died just a year or two in like Jinnah leaving everything in the lurch?

Neither positive nor negative about Nehru, but at least he lasted long enough to set up a lot of stuff.

Nehru had his flaws but I would take him anyday over various morons who ruled us since 80s as well as the current Hindutva jacka&&es under whom the situation in Kashmir has worsened.

My solution: Start flooding the valley with Rajasthani Rajputs and Haryanvi Jats.
Everything will fall back in line with time.
In the meantime We can get some Marathas and Sikhs as well to make sure the transition is smooth.
 
This is a Pakistan - Kashmir - India issue.

If this was a hindu - muslim issue then the 200 million muslims in India would be on the Pakistani side. But they are not, they are on your side.

Why are you hell bent on alienating all muslims in India even though they are loyal to your country.

We are talking about Kashmir here, the Kashmiris want independence from India, not all muslims.

Indian Muslims have their own problems to worry about. But to answer your question yes there are fringe elements who do support the Kashmiri cause. But to pretend that this is not a Hindu Muslim issue is to pretend that there was no Ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits.

And as [MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] said this is between Kashmiris and India.
 
Nehru had his flaws but I would take him anyday over various morons who ruled us since 80s as well as the current Hindutva jacka&&es under whom the situation in Kashmir has worsened.

My solution: Start flooding the valley with Rajasthani Rajputs and Haryanvi Jats.
Everything will fall back in line with time.
In the meantime We can get some Marathas and Sikhs as well to make sure the transition is smooth.

If Marathas and Sikhs could have done anything, why the need for 600,000 troops in the valley? Removal of the article alone will not be enough. The Hindu settlers will need army protection to safeguard their property.
 
If Marathas and Sikhs could have done anything, why the need for 600,000 troops in the valley? Removal of the article alone will not be enough. The Hindu settlers will need army protection to safeguard their property.

The groups I mentioned don't need no military protections.
They should be allowed to form their own militias to fix the issues rampant in the valley.
Honestly Cpt I won't express my fake concerns here for the people of valley. I have no love for them and the piece of land is only thing I care about.
 
The groups I mentioned don't need no military protections.
They should be allowed to form their own militias to fix the issues rampant in the valley.
Honestly Cpt I won't express my fake concerns here for the people of valley. I have no love for them and the piece of land is only thing I care about.

But the Kashmiris care about the land too, and far more than the Marathas or Sikhs it would seem, that is why the Indian military has been stationed there all these years. Talk is cheap, until the Sikhs and Marathas actually mobilise and physically act, then the army is the reality, anything else just wishful thinking.
 
But the Kashmiris care about the land too, and far more than the Marathas or Sikhs it would seem, that is why the Indian military has been stationed there all these years. Talk is cheap, until the Sikhs and Marathas actually mobilise and physically act, then the army is the reality, anything else just wishful thinking.

Yes it would involve violence and collateral damage but that's the risk we should be willing to take. For the greater good.
 
Indian Muslims have their own problems to worry about. But to answer your question yes there are fringe elements who do support the Kashmiri cause. But to pretend that this is not a Hindu Muslim issue is to pretend that there was no Ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits.

And as [MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] said this is between Kashmiris and India.

So is it an Indian - Kashmir issue, or a hindu-muslim issue?

Do you equate being Indian with being Hindu? lol

Also, Indians keep forgetting that your government claims our side of Kashmir too.

So how is Pakistan not involved in the dispute?
 
Yes it would involve violence and collateral damage but that's the risk we should be willing to take. For the greater good.

'Should be' is indeed the correct term. But as I said, should be isn't going to get anything done, it is only wishful thinking.
 
'Should be' is indeed the correct term. But as I said, should be isn't going to get anything done, it is only wishful thinking.

You are right it's only a wishful thinking on my part hence the term 'my solution'.
Ideally this is what I would have done.
 
My Take On
Pervert Omar Abdullah's insinuations against freedom loving people protesting abrogation of Art.35A.
#Art35A
How much justified?
The contention of the pro-india parties and groups for the continuation of the art.35 A till eternity is both immoral and unjustified. U can't vouch for the finality of the accession and yet insist on the state within a state. U can't continue to be entitled to buy land anywhere in India and yet deny the same to your compatriots on filmsy grounds. U can't have a cake and eat it too. U can't cite the conditionality of the instrument of accession for your defence because that was violated from the day one and u entered into many agreements subsequently to satiate your thirst for power on lesser and humiliating terms. U called years of struggle for plebiscite waywardness. U boasted of being Indian by conviction. U sweared that you will spill the last drop of your blood for India. You sweared by the secularism,generosity vastness and rich culture of India. U enjoyed the wedlock for seventy long years taking turns to rule the oppressed. U owe your very existence and rich status to the benevolent India and Indians. U enjoyed their protection and hospitality for so many years. U never called the conditional accession into question and never insisted on it's conditional acceptance by Mountbatten subjecting it to be ratified by reference to people. If ever u protested, u protested for power and pelf and u were gifted it time and again. How can you now protest against the complete integration. U are bound to oblige now and get lost. U hàve been paid more than extra for your services. Enjoy yourself on palm islands. Vacate Kashmir now. U never deserved it.

The only justifiable and moral argument in support of art.35A is to ask India to work on fulfilling the promises of Mountbatten and Nehru to the people of J & K and allow them to exercise their right to self determination without further delay. Till then we won't allow you to tinker with the demography of the state howsoever hard u may try. We are ready to pay any price for our inalienable right- the right to self determination. We are not asking for a state within a state. We will have either our own state or merge with u completely or may be go with Pakistan. That should be our own decision and not the one thrust on us. Give us our basic right- the right to self determination and keep ur all articles including art.35A, art.370 to yourself and do whatever u wish to do with them.
 
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Article 35A: Kashmir, Chenab Valleys stay shut for second day

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-shut-for-second-day/articleshow/65300541.cms
 
If Modi settles people from Rest of India in Kashmir, the whole of India will support him.

Kashmir circus has been going on for too long now. A simple easy way to solve the problem permanently.

Spend money on creating jobs in Kashmir, invite Indians to settle in Kashmir. All parties win.
 
If Modi settles people from Rest of India in Kashmir, the whole of India will support him.

Kashmir circus has been going on for too long now. A simple easy way to solve the problem permanently.

Spend money on creating jobs in Kashmir, invite Indians to settle in Kashmir. All parties win.

Is Indian-occupied Kashmir not populated by Indians already?
 
Indians shouldn't occupy their land otherwise what's happening to south african farmers might happen to them. Nobody likes squatters.
 
another bold move by a terrorist state.

A day will come when the terrorist army will either vacate or be removed from Kashmir and the people of Kashmir will be free..
 
my best wishes to modi ji for coming elections. i hope he will win it. I want to see the 2nd term of modi ji. :)
 
my best wishes to modi ji for coming elections. i hope he will win it. I want to see the 2nd term of modi ji. :)

Insha allah. But modi is also all talk . I dnt think he has done even 10 percent for all what he talked about.
But he is best option among the worsts
 
Modi softens rhetoric, calls for embracing Kashmiris

NEW DELHI: Amid signs of thaw with Pakistan, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Wed*nesday distanced himself from a militarist line on Jammu and Kashmir, saying he would seek peace in the disputed region by embracing its people.

In his speech on the Independence Day at the Red Fort in New Delhi, he said his government was following the teachings of former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

“Atalji called for ‘insaniyat’ (humanity), ‘Kashmi*riat’ (eclectic Kashmiri culture) and ‘jamhooriyat’ (democracy). I also said that the issues in Kashmir can be resolved by embracing the people of Kashmir.”

The comments came a day after Islamabad’s envoy in Delhi lauded Mr Modi’s phone call to prime minister-in-waiting Imran Khan to greet him on his party’s victory in the general elections.

A week ago, the Chinese envoy in Delhi visited the Wagah border in an unusual move where he declared his country’s support for improved ties between India and Pakistan.

Mr Modi said his government was committed to the all-round development of all sections and regions in Jammu and Kashmir, the country’s only Muslim-majority state.

He said Jammu and Kash*mir, now under Governor’s Rule, would hold the much-awaited Panchayat and local body elections. He did not say when.

Pakistan’s High Commis*sioner to India Sohail Mah*mood said on Tuesday that Mr Modi’s call to Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) chief to congratulate him was a positive development.

He expressed the hope that such steps could lead to betterment of ties.

“Prime Minister Naren*dra Modi calling PTI chairman Imran Khan after the results of the general elections is another positive development. And it is hoped that such positive developments will lead to the betterment of ties between the two countries,” Mr Mahmood said during an event at the chancery to mark the country’s Independence Day.

The envoy was quoted by Indian Express as emphasising that “peaceful relations” with all Pakistan’s neighbours, including India, were accorded “high priority” in the foreign policy vision outlined by the incoming leadership in Pakistan.

During the celebrations, the envoy hoisted his country’s flag to the tune of the Pakistan national anthem. As people greeted each other, students of the Pakistan High Commission School presented a medley of songs.

The Express quoted a statement issued by ******tan High Commission as expanding his thoughts on the ties.

According to the statement, Mr Mahmood pointed out that the peculiar trajectory of India-Pakistan relations over the past seven decades had often led to political and military tension and prevented the two countries from realising their optimal potential in socio-economic development.

“Our next generations deserve a better future — one marked by peace and opportunities for progress and prosperity,” he said.

He also hoped that South Asia would “turn a corner” and be known in the world “not for confrontation, but for cooperation”.

Along with deepening of democracy in Pakistan, “impressive strides” were being made in the fight against the scourge of terrorism, Mr Mahmood added.

Meanwhile, according to an analysis of the India-Pakistan ties in the Indian Express on Tuesday, China is keen to help improve ties between the two countries.

It said Ambassador Luo Zhaohui last week visited Amritsar and Wagah, and spoke of improved ties between India and Pakistan.

“Besides wearing a turban, drinking lassi, chatting with farmers and paying obeisance at the Golden Temple, Ambassador Luo went to the Indo-Pak border at Attari-Wagah,” the Express said.

“After watching the popular flag-lowering ceremony, Mr Luo tweeted his hope for “peace, friendship and cooperation” between India and Pakistan.

“Such sentiment, of cou*rse, runs against Delhi’s traditional wariness on China’s role in India-Pakistan relations over the last many decades,” the analysis noted.

“Sceptics might say Luo’s hope is less about articulating China’s policy than the envoy’s well-known high-octane diplomatic style. A number of factors, however, might be at work in the north-western Subcontinent to nudge the narrative on the triangular relationship in a more positive direction.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1427271/modi-softens-rhetoric-calls-for-embracing-kashmiris
 
Centre all set to abrogate Article 35A in J&K, will move 10k additional paramilitary troops there: Sources

The countdown for the removal of the controversial Article 35A in Jammu and Kashmir has started, according to top sources in the government.

Two days after National Security Adviser Ajit Doval returned from a visit to the Valley, the Centre has decided to move 10,000 additional paramilitary troops there to address the likely fallout of the move on the ground, sources said.

During his three-day tour, Doval had held detailed discussions with senior officers of the state administration, police, paramilitary forces, army, state and Central intelligence agencies, they said.

"An elaborate contingency plan has been worked out to take care of even the minutest details. How the law and order situation would behave, the response of the overground and underground separatist cadres and also the response of the mainstream political leadership.

"It is clear that nothing is being left to chance. The orders seem to be clear, violence and attempts to disrupt peace by anti-national elements, in the garb of a public outcry to oppose the abrogation of Article 35A, has to be contained and controlled so that the common man is put to least inconvenience.

"The entire operation to deal with the law and order fallout in the aftermath of the abrogation of Article 35A has even been code-named," these sources said.

The arrival of additional companies of Central Armed Police Forces (CAPFs) has started in the Valley over the past three days.

Special flights carrying CAPFs have landed at the Srinagar airport during the last three days, while convoys carrying additional companies of these forces are reaching the Valley through the Jammu-Srinagar national highway.

This is reportedly intended to augment an already overwhelming component of these forces in Kashmir. Over 450 companies of CAPFs (40,000 troops) are already deployed for the security of the ongoing Amarnath Yatra and other security related duties in the Valley at present.

"This number does not include the strength of the counter insurgency Rashtriya Rifles, which carries out anti-militancy operations in the hinterland, and also provides peripheral assistance to the state police and the CAPF in difficult situations.

While the Union Home Ministry has issued an order saying that the troops will be for strengthening the "counter insurgent grid" and for maintaining law and order in the valley, J&K Police said the troops will be deployed in north Kashmir where the security situation is still seen as a challenge.

"All sensitive installations, including the airport, radio station, Doordarshan Kendra, essential services like hydro-power generation projects, power grid stations, water supplies, hospitals, paramilitary camps and the state police offices down to the level of police stations and police posts are getting additional paramilitary deployments for extraordinary security cover.

"The Army would stand by for any assistance the civil administration might require to maintain law and order," sources said.

Sources also told IANS that the major role in security and law and order maintenance would continue to be shouldered by the state police.

"The NSA has made it clear in his interactions with the state police top brass that the maintenance of law and order is the duty of the state police and all needed support and assistance is being made available to the local police so that they deal with the obtaining situation firmly and effectively," top sources said.

Informed sources say lists of elements who might try to stoke public outcry have already been prepared. "These anti-national and anti-social elements would be taken into preventive custody so that they are prevented from fomenting trouble," sources said.

Interestingly, the lists of anti-national and anti-social elements prepared by the state and Central intelligence agencies are not restricted to the separatist cadres.

"Some local politicians who see the ground slipping from under their feet are also on the radar so that they are not able to take political mileage out of the likely situation," sources said.

Addressing a National Conference workers meeting in Srinagar city on Thursday, former J&K chief minister Omar Abdullah had asked the Centre to wait for the verdict of the Supreme Court where a bunch of petitions challenging Article 35A and Article 370 are pending.

"Why should you hurry? We will respect the decision of the Supreme Court as we have always done," Abdullah said.

He also asked the government to clear the air on 'rumours' that there would be another long spell of trouble in Kashmir after August 15.

Abdullah said bureaucrats were spreading rumours asking people to store rations, medicines, fuel for automobiles etc because a long haul of uncertainty was in the offing.

All regional parties of the state, including the National Conference (NC), Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), Jammu and Kashmir People's Movement (J&KPM) and others are opposed to any tinkering with Articles 35A and 370 that give special status to J&K.

Among the centrist mainstream parties, the Bharatiya Janata Party stands for abrogation of these articles arguing they are roadblocks not only in the integration of the state with the rest of the country, but also in the development of J&K.

Interestingly, the Congress party wants these articles to be protected. Congress leaders maintain that senior leaders of the party, including late Prime Minister Pt. Jawahar Lal Nehru had painstakingly worked out J&K's relationship with India through promises made in these articles.

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com...-additional-paramilitary-troops-there-sources
 
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