Naseem Shah ruled out of the ICC World Cup 2023 due to a shoulder injury

Think the Urdu word manhoos = cursed comes to mind.

It was cursed since the time this whole hybrid model issue came up and ended with disaster for us.
Mig Bhai, there is no other word to describe the whole event.

I think the World Cup is the final nail in the coffin.

Don’t think we will make the top 5 even. This time around,

South Africa, New Zealand and the top 3 in India, England and South Africa are miles ahead of us.
 
For whatever it is worth, they should go with the experience of Hasan Ali. No where near Naseem but still a better option over rookies. His experience will be worth something.
I think you’re right as much as his bowling had annoyed me in his last tenure there is literally no one left. He was just never the same after his purple patch but he’s all we’ve got now
 
Degeneracy just seems to be a common trait if you're literally anyone who has anything to do with Pakistan cricket. Degenerate board, degenerate medical staff, degenerate players, some degenerate fans as well... just everything degenerate. Wouldn't be surprised at this point if one of Shaheen, Rauf injures themselves in the warmups.

Shaheen, Wasim Jr., Rauf, Shadab, Nawaz. As of right now, I think this might be the bowling attack for the WC.
 
1992 - Waqar Younis

2007 - Shoaib Akhtar + Mohammad Asif

2011 - Mohammad Amir + Mohammad Asif

2015 - Junaid Khan

2023 - Naseem Shah

💔

The curse continues. The wait for the WC goes on. It's gonna take a powerful leader to lead us in 2027 hope someone appears.
 
Degeneracy just seems to be a common trait if you're literally anyone who has anything to do with Pakistan cricket. Degenerate board, degenerate medical staff, degenerate players, some degenerate fans as well... just everything degenerate. Wouldn't be surprised at this point if one of Shaheen, Rauf injures themselves in the warmups.

Shaheen, Wasim Jr., Rauf, Shadab, Nawaz. As of right now, I think this might be the bowling attack for the WC.

Wasim is so average. Arshad worth a try I reckon.
 
Even if Pakistan win the World Cup, it cannot be a blessing in disguise because Naseem wasn't a liability by any means.

Naseem is also one of those rare Pakistani players who is mentally tough, those two almost impossible run chases against Afghanistan prove this point. He didn't flinch one bit on those occasions and had incredible self belief. These are the type of cricketers a team needs.

Naseem is also very passionate and humble, has great work ethics, he has never been in the news for causing distress in the dressing room or even on the field. He comes a cross as a pretty good bloke.

Yeah pretty depressing tbh. He was the one guy we knew had the confidence to win matches like that for us.
 
It's okay. Let our pacers play in 40 degree heat of Multan vs Nepal.

Let them play in a league (100) that's not even an international format. Heck, let them play in Botswana and Uzbekistan T20 league.

Let's not learn anything from Shaheen's injury last year. What's the worst that could happen ? Oh.

It's almost as if we want our pacers to break down. Naseem shouldn't have played against India having tweaked his shoulder vs Bangladesh - why take the risk so close to a World Cup ? It begs the question what medical advice is being given to the management ?

It'so frustrating seeing this happen time and again.
The onus is not just on the PCB but the utter greed of these players as well to make as much moolah as they can. PCB should increase their salaries further but restrict their participation.
 
Are you suggesting that Pakistani bowlers should stop diving and leak boundaries to preserve their careers?

Yes, if the said bowler has SERIOUS career threatening injury concerns.

If Naseem had an issue with his right shoulder coming into the match with Bangladesh: 1) he should ideally been rested; 2) If not, he should be taken off the field as much as possible once he has completed his bowling spell 3) try not to dive and land on that right shoulder

Against Sri Lanka, Every time Shaheen would dive around, he would clinch his back in pain. Naturally, any well-wisher would be concerned, and so I was hoping he would just be taken off the field.

When Rauf would dive around, he never displayed physical discomfort, so I was ok with it

But the bottom line is that our pacers need to be well rested and not be expected to always play dead rubber matches if they have injury concerns. We need to rotate them wisely
 
I think this is a major hit for Pakistan. They don't really have the a new ball bowler in the team.

There have been quite a few injuries going around after a recent run of ODI games. Due to lack of ODI games being played due to T20I, a lot of players have struggled to adapt to bowling more than 4 overs & longer games.

I do think we are witnessing the end of ODI cricket.
 
Amir was being left out of the last WC as well, and somehow he made the cut and proved everyone how wrong it would have been to leave him out. Not sure if gulf is way too much to bring him back in this time around.
 
PCB press release was very non-committal.

May as well have not sent it out.

The signs are not good.
 
Pakistan is known for Pacers bowling factory so then can replace him .Most of the teams are facing injury problem so it's even out
 
Naseem was Pakistan's best pacer imo. He was doing Cummins role perfectly.

And they will miss his gritty batting too.

This is a real body blow for Pakistan. Most likely a tournament detailing one.
I agree, I felt the only shot for us to go far in the tournament was our pace trio and getting teams out for low score , this has been our formula for when we go far in tournaments for the last 15 years or so
 
Even if he is fit by the 3rd game , he will be undercooked with no match practise and could potentially get injured again as he would have been rushed back .

On that basis alone for the longevity of his career it’s better for him not to participate.
 
Devastating, just devastating blow. He has been looking like a killer all year. Cupboard is bare behind him with Ihsanullah and Hasnain injured, it's gonna be a massive weak spot whoever replaces him.
 
Reminds me of the teletext headline back in 1992: “Pakistan shock: Waqar ruled out World Cup”!

Don’t get excited guys, there will be no repeat. Waqar in his pomp couldn’t save this team
 
Yes, if the said bowler has SERIOUS career threatening injury concerns.

If Naseem had an issue with his right shoulder coming into the match with Bangladesh: 1) he should ideally been rested; 2) If not, he should be taken off the field as much as possible once he has completed his bowling spell 3) try not to dive and land on that right shoulder

Against Sri Lanka, Every time Shaheen would dive around, he would clinch his back in pain. Naturally, any well-wisher would be concerned, and so I was hoping he would just be taken off the field.

When Rauf would dive around, he never displayed physical discomfort, so I was ok with it

But the bottom line is that our pacers need to be well rested and not be expected to always play dead rubber matches if they have injury concerns. We need to rotate them wisely
I am all for rest and rotation. But once named in the playing 11. A player whether it be your superstar Shaheen or anyone else for that matter should be fully committed to diving and saving boundaries as fielding should be recognised as part of the skillset a player should deploy to help his team to win. No wonder Pakistan lacks that killer instinct to close off games with this soft approach as opposed to more professional teams where the likes of Kohli etc fully commit themselves for the bigger picture of team win.
 
I am all for rest and rotation. But once named in the playing 11. A player whether it be your superstar Shaheen or anyone else for that matter should be fully committed to diving and saving boundaries as fielding should be recognised as part of the skillset a player should deploy to help his team to win. No wonder Pakistan lacks that killer instinct to close off games with this soft approach as opposed to more professional teams where the likes of Kohli etc fully commit themselves for the bigger picture of team win.

Yeah it's a tough one for me.

The Lanka game, for example, was a must-win game for us to reach the final. Naseem and Rauf were injured and ruled out so that puts more pressure on Shaheen. Shaheen, (by some reports) was not 100% fit. So the question is, do you play Shaheen for the match? You want to win and get into the final of the Asia Cup, but you also don't want to risk him for the WC. Personally, I would have rested him because the WC is more important. But since he played, I would not want him diving around and making his injury worse.

Imagine losing both Naseem and Shaheen for the WC. That would have been nuts
 
Missing the Australia tour would be worse than missing the World Cup. In the last Australia tour the Pakistan bowlers got thrashed around so badly that Ian Chappell said in future Pakistan should only get 2 Tests as they're not competitive. Pakistan only have 3 good fast bowlers and they should have been wrapped in cotton wool and protected. England rotate their fast bowlers.
 
What is baffling to see is that Pakistan, despite having so many bowlers, have literally done nothing to create good back ups.

Aamer Jamal looked good when he got a chance but has hardly been tried out enough or kept in the frame for WC. He is actually a better option than Faheem Ashraf.

Abrar as we've discussed hasn't played a single ODI, as if Pakistan have world class spinners in the playing XI who are irreplaceable. 🤦‍♂️

Mohammad Wasim barely gets a game and even when he gets, he hardly bowls. He is good at reverse swing yet never bowled with the old ball in the game against SL.

Saud Shakeel is a solid middle order player and hasn't got a single proper opportunity to prove his worth in the ODI side.

Most teams started ODI WC preprations right after the T20 WC, that's 12 months ago, but Pakistan kept on playing the T20 format , it was only about 6 months back, after PSL, that they started playing ODIs, that also very few and majorly against low ranked teams.

They had an 'A' tour against Zimbabwe, lost that series 2-3 and none of the WC probables (the fringe players you are considering but not sure about) featured in that series, it was quite a depleted 'A' side. They played an emerging Asia Cup and none of the WC probables played there either. The likes of Abrar, Ihsanullah, Shakeel, Usama Mir, Aamer Jamal, Shafique, Hasan Ali should have been playing there to fight for WC spots.
 
What is baffling to see is that Pakistan, despite having so many bowlers, have literally done nothing to create good back ups.

Aamer Jamal looked good when he got a chance but has hardly been tried out enough or kept in the frame for WC. He is actually a better option than Faheem Ashraf.

Abrar as we've discussed hasn't played a single ODI, as if Pakistan have world class spinners in the playing XI who are irreplaceable. 🤦‍♂️

Mohammad Wasim barely gets a game and even when he gets, he hardly bowls. He is good at reverse swing yet never bowled with the old ball in the game against SL.

Saud Shakeel is a solid middle order player and hasn't got a single proper opportunity to prove his worth in the ODI side.

Most teams started ODI WC preprations right after the T20 WC, that's 12 months ago, but Pakistan kept on playing the T20 format , it was only about 6 months back, after PSL, that they started playing ODIs, that also very few and majorly against low ranked teams.

They had an 'A' tour against Zimbabwe, lost that series 2-3 and none of the WC probables (the fringe players you are considering but not sure about) featured in that series, it was quite a depleted 'A' side. They played an emerging Asia Cup and none of the WC probables played there either. The likes of Abrar, Ihsanullah, Shakeel, Usama Mir, Aamer Jamal, Shafique, Hasan Ali should have been playing there to fight for WC spots.
True. Our rotation policy is very bad. We never rested our ace players against lower teams like nepal, Zimbabwe etc. I think the management has trust issues and doesn't want to try new players as if we are gonna loose and all. Poor stuff
 
Murphy's law.


Pakistan have failed to develop backups for any of the main roles. And they have consistently mismanaged, overplayed and overbowled their pacers.
 
True. Our rotation policy is very bad. We never rested our ace players against lower teams like nepal, Zimbabwe etc. I think the management has trust issues and doesn't want to try new players as if we are gonna loose and all. Poor stuff

Tbh Najam Sethi rested Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen against Afghanistan and he got a lot of flack for it.

The entire cricketing system has to be willing to accept losses in order for the rotation policy, principle of playing your B, C teams against weak opponents to work.
 
It's okay. Let our pacers play in 40 degree heat of Multan vs Nepal.

Let them play in a league (100) that's not even an international format. Heck, let them play in Botswana and Uzbekistan T20 league.

Let's not learn anything from Shaheen's injury last year. What's the worst that could happen ? Oh.

It's almost as if we want our pacers to break down. Naseem shouldn't have played against India having tweaked his shoulder vs Bangladesh - why take the risk so close to a World Cup ? It begs the question what medical advice is being given to the management ?

It'so frustrating seeing this happen time and again.
I am an indian fan but enjoyed Nadeem’s bowling a lot. He is the best bowler in asia with bumrah and shaheen at the moment .

Having said that , I think pak board does not seem to know how to handle players much like India. Aussie and England do their best to keep their players fit . Their players also do take care of their bodies more . I mean why should a player playing t20 , odi and test for nation participate in more than one t20 league.

India has suffered a lot as key players keep getting injured before major tournaments .

It’s a subcontinental issue , our boards and players are both greedy .
 
Time for PCB to swallow the ego and include Mohammad Amir in the team who is performing exceptionally well in other leagues.
But I doubt Babar and Shaheen would allow that.
 
Time for PCB to swallow the ego and include Mohammad Amir in the team who is performing exceptionally well in other leagues.
But I doubt Babar and Shaheen would allow that.
Sooner or later, they will have to return to the public.
 
Time for PCB to swallow the ego and include Mohammad Amir in the team who is performing exceptionally well in other leagues.
But I doubt Babar and Shaheen would allow that.
Unfortunately will have to agree with this. I for one was vocal for youth, young blood and moving on but given the circumstances and lack of experience.

The team would significantly improve if we can include Amir, Hassan Ali and Imad Wasim. You have 3 experienced proven players; it also solves issues such as middle overs of the matches.
 
From all the media reports, it seems that chances of any big changes are close to nil
 
which spinners we have in our circuit right now? all are crap!
As I said they have to take a gamble. And there are no better players than test spinners,they have the best control and an attacking mindset.
Abrar Ahmed is decent. He's got variety and novelty factor. His temprament is good, doesn't lose his wits when hit for boundaries.
Nauman Ali can both give flight and bowl a flatter trajectory and has thousands of FC overs under his belt
 
The guy is always injured!

Time to invest in someone else and not names like wasim jnr.
 
Ok I've read this from a reputable twitter source.

Apparently Naseem was complaining about shoulder discomfort from several days before the India match, but the PCB medics downplayed the discomfort and did not take him seriously.
 
It is very much certain that Naseem Shah is going to miss the entire world cup and reports suggest that Hasan Ali or Zaman Khan will be added in the world cup. For me, both of them should be included and Wasim Jr. should be dropped.
 
PCB probably can't afford to employ proper medical staff and probably don't even have the appropriate facilities in place to even check if players have injuries. Probably some chap sat at a computer - Dr Google.
 
If this is a case of an old injury that wasn't treated properly, then this is highly unprofessional and needs looking into.

Heads have to roll of those who are involved in this situation.
 
If this is a case of an old injury that wasn't treated properly, then this is highly unprofessional and needs looking into.

Heads have to roll of those who are involved in this situation.

Players have to take responsibility too. Everyone knows Pakistani players are not keen to rest out of fear someone else will take their sides. The players are also happily signing up for T-20 leagues left right and center. Pakistani players happily play through minor injuries and aggravate them in the end.

We have many such examples in our history for e.g. Saqlain Mushtaq.
 
Ok I've read this from a reputable twitter source.

Apparently Naseem was complaining about shoulder discomfort from several days before the India match, but the PCB medics downplayed the discomfort and did not take him seriously.

I remember he had issues with his Shoulder from the England series in 2022. It is obvious he has severely aggravated what he thought was a minor niggle, problem
 
He is a bowler who depends a lot on shoulder. He doesn't have natural bounce as he is short. So he is powering through his shoulders and he tries to bowl as fast as possible. It takes a lot of him.
 
Players have to take responsibility too. Everyone knows Pakistani players are not keen to rest out of fear someone else will take their sides. The players are also happily signing up for T-20 leagues left right and center. Pakistani players happily play through minor injuries and aggravate them in the end.

We have many such examples in our history for e.g. Saqlain Mushtaq.
The PCB has the medics who are paid to assess the fitness of players and gauge their injuries.

Injury management should be part of their remit.

In this case then no players who are not 100% fit should be playing any sort of cricket.
 
Ok I've read this from a reputable twitter source.

Apparently Naseem was complaining about shoulder discomfort from several days before the India match, but the PCB medics downplayed the discomfort and did not take him seriously.

Saud was replaced because he had a “fever” and Imam who had a back spasm was also replaced. So why would the PCB medics “downplay” when it came to Naseem Shah?

It’s clear that just like our batsmen, our bowlers are also obsessed with stat padding against weaker opponents.

Naseem has only himself to blame, he shouldn’t have went to the LPL straight after the test series.
 
Saud was replaced because he had a “fever” and Imam who had a back spasm was also replaced. So why would the PCB medics “downplay” when it came to Naseem Shah?

It’s clear that just like our batsmen, our bowlers are also obsessed with stat padding against weaker opponents.

Naseem has only himself to blame, he shouldn’t have went to the LPL straight after the test series.
saud also didn't know that he is suffering from fever, only Doctor Babar Azam was aware about his illness.
 
Saud was replaced because he had a “fever” and Imam who had a back spasm was also replaced. So why would the PCB medics “downplay” when it came to Naseem Shah?

It’s clear that just like our batsmen, our bowlers are also obsessed with stat padding against weaker opponents.

Naseem has only himself to blame, he shouldn’t have went to the LPL straight after the test series.

Yes, there is some merit to this. I wonder if insecurity also plays a part.

For instance, while the injured player is resting, the player who takes his place does really well and perminently displaces the injured player.

I don't think anyone is good enough to actually displace Naseem, but to a player, these thoughts may factor in
 
Great excerpt from @Saj's interview with Sameen Rana about fans obsession with workload management. It's absurd to think Naseem would be playing extra games if he has been informed of a serious risk to his World Cup just to "statpad". It's a failure from the medical staff plain and simple to not properly recognise the risk.

 
Pakistan World Cup squad announcement is delayed just for his final medical reports to arrive so there is still hope that he will be part of the Pakistan team in the upcoming World Cup.
 
Old pectoral muscle injury that has flared up and was not treated properly.

More to follow on this.
 
Old pectoral muscle injury that has flared up and was not treated properly.

More to follow on this.
will he need a surgery or just some time off? and how many fast bowlers career will pcb medical staff will destroy?
 
will he need a surgery or just some time off? and how many fast bowlers career will pcb medical staff will destroy?
It's also a responsibilty of a players to manage their own fitness.

Playing in multiple leagues and back to back matches can take a toll on their careers but many young players are prioritizing money over their well being.
 
Might as well listen to Muhammad wasim our foreign chief selector at this point. Considering how long its taking for our pcb to select a team, you might as well just chatgpt it.

Chatgpt can't do any worse then our selectors
 
Naseem shah missing the world cup is a big blow for Pakistan, but it is not that shocking considering the fact that he has been playing every league and international match for the last few months. The team should be announced as the players need confidence before the big tournament. This uncertainty will cause extra pressure on other players.
 
Thank you PCB.


Even when we have talented world class players around we just can't get things to fall in place due to PCB's incompetence.
 
What depressing news, he's been our best bowler all year. Cupboard is so bare that whoever replaces him will be a massive weak link
 
What depressing news, he's been our best bowler all year. Cupboard is so bare that whoever replaces him will be a massive weak link
not really.

World Cup is in India. We dont need 3 new ball bowlers. Although I would had preferred Naseem over Harris, but thing is 2 new ball bowlers is all that we need. We need a third pacer for reverse swing and thats where Waseem Jr can play a better role. Rest two spots are for spinners.

By playing 3 new ball bowlers we are doing well for the first 15 overs, but for the next 20 overs we are rubbish.

His injury is blessing in disguise. Pakistan were going into this world cup as if we are playing on australian grounds.
 
How is it bad luck for Naseem Shah? He’s fully complicit. Who told him to play the whole LPL league when he knew Pak had a packaged schedule ahead.
Responsible players like Starc and Cummins say no to lucrative IPL contracts to be ready for ashes and WC.
Players should take responsibility instead of shifting blame on PCB.
 
Nazr laghiye.

We got way too overexcited about the lumber 1 ranking.

We are now going to be humiliated on the turf of our biggest enemy.

The lack of preparation means we can’t even name a single obvious replacement for Naseem. What an absolute shambles.
enemy nahi hain bhai, competitor portably is the right word.
 
Naseem shah missing the world cup is a big blow for Pakistan, but it is not that shocking considering the fact that he has been playing every league and international match for the last few months. The team should be announced as the players need confidence before the big tournament. This uncertainty will cause extra pressure on other players.
Does not play IPL but still gonna miss world cup. I am sure the resident "ALL injuries happen to ipl players" gonna keep quiet.
 
Does not play IPL but still gonna miss world cup. I am sure the resident "ALL injuries happen to ipl players" gonna keep quiet.

Think you may have missed some parts of the discussion on this.

Life does not revolve around IPL.

Naseem's injuries may have happened from other T20 Leagues.

The part to think about is the term T20 Leagues.

Now restart your thinking process again.

Thanks
 
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