Natarajan tests positive yet SRH fixture for go ahead

[wajid]

Yes they did play and there is no denying that. However, what exactly is the threshold? As its pretty subjective that yeah when covid has only impacted 3 staff members we will play but, leave when a 4th one gets a positive result (Physio is no excuse as they could have easily gotten one on request).

If (God forbid) cases in IPL go upto 3-4, will this threshold again come into play and you will say that its time to wrap up the tournament?

The reason to continue 4th test, if I remember it correctly, was that Shastri tested positive midway in the test. Remember india was winning that test do no reason to jump ship while it was sailing nicely to victory.

Also, the logic of resident Indian posters was that regulations of covid in England allowed that. It was possible to continue playing under English regulations. Hence no requirement to abandon the match.

Unfortunately, by the 5th test, Indian players started getting “jitters”.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let’s see if the IPL gets cancelled like the last Test !!!!! I guarantee it won’t be … <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnOn?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnOn</a> <a href="https://t.co/HV7V70i69x">https://t.co/HV7V70i69x</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1440617755800047621?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Walawalkar]

Gotta feel for Natrajan. Was not available in first phase due to injury, then now when he was all set to make his comeback, he has to go off again due to COVID

 

[wajid]

Same Context Apply to all the posters who were criticizing BCCI then for not Playing and now
Criticizing BCCI for Playing

No it doesn’t because England’s national covid regulations allowed for 5th test to take place. It was a unilateral decision by BCCI to abandon the test where no other force like government was forcing them to do so. But then it was BCCI who told us that “fear of covid” has crept in and caused mental fatigue to players.

Same players took advantage of lax English regulations and flew to UAE the next day and went into isolation and joined Covid bubble!!

And same BCCI is now letting a game continue. It was their reasoning that under fatigue and fear teams cannot play. On top of that UAE doesn’t allow such lax covid regulations at the moment as England, but money speaks…..

As for fans criticising BCCI then and now, never claimed fear and fatigue should cause matches to abandon.

 

[Devadwal]

Yes they did play and there is no denying that. However, what exactly is the threshold? As its pretty subjective that yeah when covid has only impacted 3 staff members we will play but, leave when a 4th one gets a positive result (Physio is no excuse as they could have easily gotten one on request).

If (God forbid) cases in IPL go upto 3-4, will this threshold again come into play and you will say that its time to wrap up the tournament?

Why don't you understand a simple fact . both indian team physio were covid positive and you know what most of people's had close contacted to them its no rocket science as some players have niggles and injury Sacre. physio is most important members of support staff as they take care of players so most of them have close Contact with them , hence virat wanted to play 5th test after 2 day so they can know if any player's have covid or not. India played fourth test while their coach was in isolation .

 

[Devadwal]

Definitely there is bubble breached here so BCCI need to answer what wrong happened. They Will get lot's of criticism and rightly so but only about bubble breached .

 

[Snowflake]

Definitely there is bubble breached here so BCCI need to answer what wrong happened. They Will get lot's of criticism and rightly so but only about bubble breached .

No they do not, and no they won't.

 

[Buffet]

The reason to continue 4th test, if I remember it correctly, was that Shastri tested positive midway in the test. Remember india was winning that test do no reason to jump ship while it was sailing nicely to victory.

Eng had 100 runs lead after both teams finished the first inning.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

First of all I would like to blame BCCI for this because some fans were also blaming ECB when India forfeited the 5th test against England due to Covid or their greed for IPL money.

This has surely exposed the hypocrisy of BCCI and some fans who were singing a different tune during the 5th test against England.

I won't be surprised if T20 World Cup gets cancelled because of this low quality Pyjama League in UAE.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Eng had 100 runs lead after both teams finished the first inning.

Dont let the facts derail the agenda.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What a hypocrisy ! BCCI abandoned the final test in England but wants to continue playing IPL inspite of Covid cases.

I don't begrudge the fact that IPL is continuing, my only issue is why was the team so eager to leave England then? Did they even explore any options to play the test?

BCCI's greed and shamelessness is getting difficult to watch.

This pretty much confirms that Kohli & Co. gave preference to IPL over 5th Test against England.

 

[shamaan]

They will never cancel the IPL over 1 or 2 cases

 

[sharmaji]

Yes

This pretty much confirms that Kohli & Co. gave preference to IPL over 5th Test against England.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How many physiotherapists this team has? Because our players didn't play the 5th test against England for the very same reason.


According to a BCCI release, the fast bowler, who is asymptomatic, and six close contacts identified by the medical team including Vijay Shankar, Vijay Kumar (Team Manager), Shyam Sundar J (Physiotherapist), Anjana Vannan (Doctor), Tushar Khedkar (Logistics Manager) and Periyasamy Ganesan (Net Bowler) have been placed in isolation.

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news...r-covid-dc-srh-match-to-go-ahead-as-scheduled

 

[Rana]

How many physiotherapists this team has? Because our players didn't play the 5th test against England for the very same reason.


According to a BCCI release, the fast bowler, who is asymptomatic, and six close contacts identified by the medical team including Vijay Shankar, Vijay Kumar (Team Manager), Shyam Sundar J (Physiotherapist), Anjana Vannan (Doctor), Tushar Khedkar (Logistics Manager) and Periyasamy Ganesan (Net Bowler) have been placed in isolation.

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news...r-covid-dc-srh-match-to-go-ahead-as-scheduled

I guess kane Williamson and Warner were not ‘visibly shaken’ so they can still play

 

[Rana]

They will never cancel the IPL over 1 or 2 cases

They cancelled the 5th Test with no positive cases in the players

 

[Devadwal]

How many physiotherapists this team has? Because our players didn't play the 5th test against England for the very same reason.


According to a BCCI release, the fast bowler, who is asymptomatic, and six close contacts identified by the medical team including Vijay Shankar, Vijay Kumar (Team Manager), Shyam Sundar J (Physiotherapist), Anjana Vannan (Doctor), Tushar Khedkar (Logistics Manager) and Periyasamy Ganesan (Net Bowler) have been placed in isolation.

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news...r-covid-dc-srh-match-to-go-ahead-as-scheduled

Minimum 2 i think .one is main other is assistant .btw before 5th test both of our Physio were found covid positive .

 

[Saj]

Hope the boys from NZ and Australia are ok and not too 'spooked' by this.

 

[pakistani pride]

Can see this quickly getting out of hand.

Hope the WT20 isn't like this.

What will get out of hand?

 

[pakistani pride]

They will never cancel the IPL over 1 or 2 cases

And they should not. Why should they.

 

[Ashmal]

So...this Natrajan guy was in contact with only one of his teammate.

Who are they trying to fool...lol

 

[fitCricFan]

How many physiotherapists this team has? Because our players didn't play the 5th test against England for the very same reason.


According to a BCCI release, the fast bowler, who is asymptomatic, and six close contacts identified by the medical team including Vijay Shankar, Vijay Kumar (Team Manager), Shyam Sundar J (Physiotherapist), Anjana Vannan (Doctor), Tushar Khedkar (Logistics Manager) and Periyasamy Ganesan (Net Bowler) have been placed in isolation.

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news...r-covid-dc-srh-match-to-go-ahead-as-scheduled

Lets see, here in the UK, the Indians were traveling with one Physio who had Covid. Barring one all support staff was down. In case any of these folks were needed who would the players have gone too. BCCI would have to fly someone in. If ECB had acquiesced to the postponement the game could have kicked off unless any other players came up sick during that time. Its not like you are swapping out a bat or a ball. They operate as a unit.

Now in this IPL game, if one or more players/administrators etc fall sick then it is easy to replace them unless a bunch of them are brought down. A Physio from another team could also fill in while the replacement is being filled in.

England's reason for backing out from the Pak tour was Player anxiety. Isn't that what BCCI had communicated to the ECB. At-least the Indians had offered for a delayed start unlike the English who simply refused to come without even offering an alternative. ECB want's to have its cake and eat it too.

 

[Aman]

How is that possible? I mean who are they fooling? Is NZ cricket board and [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] not concerned with false reporting like these that could put their national captain in danger? Or may be when it comes to IPL, nobody cares about any safety or mental health.

This decision is independent and on the player's behalf, like a tourist who goes overseas. NZ govt. isn't going to interfere and tell them to come home because COVID is surging. If there's more cases I can see the tournament being postponed/cancelled since the bubble has been breached.

That being said, they could continue if all the players are vaccinated and just live it, last time there wasn't a vaccine or tool that could be used against COVID. More and more countries are starting to do that and it's likely most if not all players are vaccinated. NZ is slowly starting to give up on elimination and is pushing for vaccination for life with COVID given how fast and easily Delta spreads.

 

[ManFan]

Money. Money and more money.

 

[volcyz]

Money is good

 

[Jeetlodil]

Can a cricketer pass away because of Covid?Wonder what Natarajan and his family must be going through now. Hope there are enough oxygen beds in UAE unlike India.

Good move to hold IPL in UAE for health reasons.

 

[Energy]

I can see some holistic, sophisticated, delicate, explanatory language being used in this thread to mellow down a genuine concern and provide a rationale for everything. It's like a parrot who is given a script on how to speak, when to speak, and what to speak.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I dont know why people are even surprised at this.

Would I go practice medicine in Aghanistan for 20000 dollars a month ? Probably not.

Would I go practice medicine in Rwanda for 100,000 dollars a month? Probably yes.

The risk may be more but the reward is five times.

Would India have risked the 5th test and risk missing out on IPL money? Probably not.

Will they risk a bit more and continue playing IPL to gain handsome rewards? Probably yes.

Its flabbergasting people believe that moral prinicples are the leading force in people's lives when it actually is more about how much you can earn while mitigating the risk to yourself and your family to minimal.

 

[MenInG]

I dont know why people are even surprised at this.

Would I go practice medicine in Aghanistan for 20000 dollars a month ? Probably not.

Would I go practice medicine in Rwanda for 100,000 dollars a month? Probably yes.

The risk may be more but the reward is five times.

Would India have risked the 5th test and risk missing out on IPL money? Probably not.

Will they risk a bit more and continue playing IPL to gain handsome rewards? Probably yes.

Its flabbergasting people believe that moral prinicples are the leading force in people's lives when it actually is more about how much you can earn while mitigating the risk to yourself and your family to minimal.

Just so I am clear, are you advocating this as a the way to forward for sports?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Just so I am clear, are you advocating this as a the way to forward for sports?

It is the truth in every field of life.

Sports is entertainment for fans and a profession for players.

Why do you think tennis players are willing to skip ATP 250 tournaments at the cost of Grand Slams? Do you think Grand Slams are less risky and ATP 250 or 500 more risky for players?

They go where money goes.

Watch all the sports. NBA, MLB, NFL, EPL, La Liga , Pro tour Golf.

All professional sportsmen choose money.

The only thing is cricket was lagging behind for many years in terms of monetary incentives.

All T20 has done is given an opportunity for EVERY player to be as settled as an NBA all star player or as an F1 DRIVER.

What people and fans want is for players to priortize the least incentive format (Test Cricket) over T20, because that is the truest format of the game.

It may or MAY NOT be the way forward but you cant fault the players to put their head where the money belongs.

Anyone would.

Anytime in their place.

 

[NishanKonar]

It is the truth in every field of life.

Sports is entertainment for fans and a profession for players.

Why do you think tennis players are willing to skip ATP 250 tournaments at the cost of Grand Slams? Do you think Grand Slams are less risky and ATP 250 or 500 more risky for players?

They go where money goes.

Watch all the sports. NBA, MLB, NFL, EPL, La Liga , Pro tour Golf.

All professional sportsmen choose money.

The only thing is cricket was lagging behind for many years in terms of monetary incentives.

All T20 has done is given an opportunity for EVERY player to be as settled as an NBA all star player or as an F1 DRIVER.

What people and fans want is for players to priortize the least incentive format (Test Cricket) over T20, because that is the truest format of the game.

It may or MAY NOT be the way forward but you cant fault the players to put their head where the money belongs.

Anyone would.

Anytime in their place.

The day these IPL haters realize this golden truth about mankind - the will stop hating IPL

Everyone is motivated by money & materialistic pursuits. Little point whining non stop about it

 

[happydavy]

I am surprised that people are surprised with this news. There's every chance that if god forbid a player dies then the players/organizers will hide that news until the tournament is over. This is a tournament that personifies greed and shamelessness of rich players and owners and dumbness of people who defend it.

 

[Snowflake]

The day these IPL haters realize this golden truth about mankind - the will stop hating IPL

Everyone is motivated by money & materialistic pursuits. Little point whining non stop about it

No one is the whining. Just calling out the lame-*** excuses, such as being visibly shaken by Covid "outbreak", that are put up to hide this "golden truth".

Players can do whatever, but have the spine to own up to it.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No one is the whining. Just calling out the lame-*** excuses, such as being visibly shaken by Covid "outbreak", that are put up to hide this "golden truth".

Players can do whatever, but have the spine to own up to it.

No we should keep quiet and let BCCI destroy the real game of cricket because of their greed for money and power. These arrogant fans look at cricket as a business as opposed to real cricket fans who view it as a sport. This is the reason why many people don't like these Pyjama Leagues where players are bought and sold like cattles in an auction.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

No we should keep quiet and let BCCI destroy the real game of cricket because of their greed for money and power. These arrogant fans look at cricket as a business as opposed to real cricket fans who view it as a sport. This is the reason why many people don't like these Pyjama Leagues where players are bought and sold like cattles in an auction.

What do you propose ?

Players should play test cricket for fans and get less money?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What do you propose ?

Players should play test cricket for fans and get less money?

You are talking as if players weren't earning any money before these leagues came. Sachin and Afridi didn't need IPL to become the richest cricketers in their own respective countries. IPL is like a lottery where an average cricketer like Unadkat can earn around 10 crores.

What do you propose will happen once the international cricket is dead? How are you going to create these superstars? Haven't you got enough example of that this year already? India forfeiting 5th test against England, some SA african players choosing IPL over Pak tour, NZ players choosing IPL over Pak tour etc. BCCI organising IPL twice in an year thereby hijacking the international calendar and putting top players in a pick and choose situation should be criticised by every cricket fan because they are trying to kill the game.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No one is the whining. Just calling out the lame-*** excuses, such as being visibly shaken by Covid "outbreak", that are put up to hide this "golden truth".

Players can do whatever, but have the spine to own up to it.

How about players can do whatever and not owe third party fans any explanation.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

You are talking as if players weren't earning any money before these leagues came. Sachin and Afridi didn't need IPL to become the richest cricketers in their own respective countries. IPL is like a lottery where an average cricketer like Unadkat can earn around 10 crores.

What do you propose will happen once the international cricket is dead? How are you going to create these superstars? Haven't you got enough example of that this year already? India forfeiting 5th test against England, some SA african players choosing IPL over Pak tour, NZ players choosing IPL over Pak tour etc. BCCI organising IPL twice in an year thereby hijacking the international calendar and putting top players in a pick and choose situation should be criticised by every cricket fan because they are trying to kill the game.

You can never have enough money.

I think you answered it yourself. Sachin and Afridi were earning enough without needing IPL. Now new cricketers can earn and dream about playing league cricket and be safe with their earnings. Whether its Unadkat or Dale Steyn everyone can have a good future.

International cricket is dead? Did NBA make basketball dead? Did MLB make baseball dead?

By the way, I am a fan of test cricket. But I just don't have the time or energy to sit for 7 hours a day for five days of a test and finally it peters out into a draw or rain plays spoilsport.

T20 is the ONLY format that can introduce the same brand of cricket in Europe and North America. They already play baseball.

Imagine an MLB player interested in cricket and making it big in the league cricket.

That's how funds will come.

Now I agree, the boundary sizes can be made bigger and wickets can be made bowler friendly for T20 but they are merely semantics.

The ONLY WAY you will attract many countries into cricket is by playing as many T20 matches as possible, be it IPL, World T20 or PSL.

If you advocate tests to the Western nations, they won't stand 5 days of nonsense for a draw.

Sad as it may be, tests are only for niche nations like Ashes etc.

Rest of the world will and should survive on T20's alone.

 

[hurricanes]

The day these IPL haters realize this golden truth about mankind - the will stop hating IPL

Everyone is motivated by money & materialistic pursuits. Little point whining non stop about it

They just pretend that they are worried for the low paying but classic cricket. The whining is mainly because they are not the one with the money bags.

You can see this by the same guys whining about how money is damagin cricket and then in another thread trying to brainstorm about how PCB can make more money.

 

[ManFan]

Cricket is dying because it has its roots in the Victorian Age. It’s traditions, rules, and setup is far behind the times.

The fact that it has survived for so long is a miracle by itself.

The Big Three will only kill cricket not because they make money but because they do not help promote it.

It’s not entirely their fault. The fault lies in the game itself.

 

[Zaz]

How about players can do whatever and not owe third party fans any explanation.

It may be a foreign concept to you but let me explain, you may only care about yourself or for the dollars you earn over everything else but there are people out there who still also have a social conscious and do things with others in mind and the greater good

 

[cricketjoshila]

It may be a foreign concept to you but let me explain, you may only care about yourself or for the dollars you earn over everything else but there are people out there who still also have a social conscious and do things with others in mind and the greater good

How is that relevant here?

Well a non pakistani player has every right to do anything that his board allows with pakistanis questioning him. They don't owe pakistan any explanation.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Let's look at some numbers again shall we.
Number of test matches in 2021 for

India : 16 Test Matches scheduled, 10 already played, 1 abandoned and 5 more to go vs NZ and SA.
England : 15 Test Matches scheduled, 10 already played, 1 abandoned and 4 more to go vs Australia
Australia : 10 Test Matches scheduled, 2 played, 4 abandoned vs SA(Covid) and Afghanistan(Recent rise if Taliban), 4 to go vs England


The custodians of the purest form of the game,
Pakistan : 8 Test Matches scheduled, 6 played and 2 more to go vs Bangladesh.

Why not play minimum 3 Test Match series instead of prioritising the T20 matches which PCB is doing day in and day out. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

 

[happydavy]

Players can make all the money they want, they can chose IPL teams over national team and it's their right and so that's not a problem. Problem is the attitude of fans who justify what Indian players are doing as if these players are sharing their wealth with the fans. I fail to understand why would an Indian fan get any kind of pleasure from what VK or Rohit sharma makes, they are the ones buying $5 mn house in Worli and they aren't inviting you there. As a fan, the only question that one should answer is that do you like the competitive of franchise cricket or international cricket, and which one would you prefer to watch more, in my case answer is international cricket.

 

[Sir Alex]

Players can make all the money they want, they can chose IPL teams over national team and it's their right and so that's not a problem. Problem is the attitude of fans who justify what Indian players are doing as if these players are sharing their wealth with the fans. I fail to understand why would an Indian fan get any kind of pleasure from what VK or Rohit sharma makes, they are the ones buying $5 mn house in Worli and they aren't inviting you there. As a fan, the only question that one should answer is that do you like the competitive of franchise cricket or international cricket, and which one would you prefer to watch more, in my case answer is international cricket.

IPL is proven to be statistically tougher than average international cricket. It is only logical it gets more attention and following.

I do not think fans follow someone based on how much money they make.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Let's look at some numbers again shall we.
Number of test matches in 2021 for

India : 16 Test Matches scheduled, 10 already played, 1 abandoned and 5 more to go vs NZ and SA.
England : 15 Test Matches scheduled, 10 already played, 1 abandoned and 4 more to go vs Australia
Australia : 10 Test Matches scheduled, 2 played, 4 abandoned vs SA(Covid) and Afghanistan(Recent rise if Taliban), 4 to go vs England


The custodians of the purest form of the game,
Pakistan : 8 Test Matches scheduled, 6 played and 2 more to go vs Bangladesh.

Why not play minimum 3 Test Match series instead of prioritising the T20 matches which PCB is doing day in and day out. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

You are getting it completely wrong here. It is IPL vs International Cricket which includes all formats not just tests.

 

[Ab Fan]

IPL is equivalent to international cricket now. Both will prevail together.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

IPL is equivalent to international cricket now. Both will prevail together.

International Cricket also includes your favorite format which is test cricket.