Naveed Akram, the surviving suspect in Sunday's mass shooting at Bondi Beach in Sydney, charged with 15 counts of murder [Update@ Post 965]

[SpiritOf1903]

It was a horrendous attack on Jews
Why is Israel playing the victim?

 

[HalBass9]

I don't know much about the Islamic religious texts to be able to comment on that.

I believe the onus should be on the guardians of the religion in the Middle East. They should update the texts as necessary before we allow further immigration from their lands.

You’re arguing for reform in something you clearly don’t understand.

Muslims across the world have unequivocally and repeatedly condemned ISIS. That is a documented fact, regardless of attempts by Hindutvas on this forum to falsely imply collective support.

In exactly the same way, you condemned the Christchurch massacre without being held responsible for the actions of the perpetrator. Collective blame was neither fair nor logical then, and it isn’t now.

Condemnation of violence does not require shared identity with the criminal, and reform cannot begin with ignorance or bad faith generalizations. Any argument that ignores this basic principle collapses on its own.

 

[Local.Dada]

You’re arguing for reform in something you clearly don’t understand.

Muslims across the world have unequivocally and repeatedly condemned ISIS. That is a documented fact, regardless of attempts by Hindutvas on this forum to falsely imply collective support.

In exactly the same way, you condemned the Christchurch massacre without being held responsible for the actions of the perpetrator. Collective blame was neither fair nor logical then, and it isn’t now.

Condemnation of violence does not require shared identity with the criminal, and reform cannot begin with ignorance or bad faith generalizations. Any argument that ignores this basic principle collapses on its own.

Below is the View point of the terrorist/ gunman. Doesn’t seem like a member of RSS/ BJP. Also don’t think you meant it, I think saying those words is more of a medical tourette condition for you so will over look it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000754506167148624

 

[HalBass9]

Below is the View point of the terrorist/ gunman. Doesn’t seem like a member of RSS/ BJP. Also don’t think you meant it, I think saying those words is more of a medical tourette condition for you so will over look it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2000754506167148624

He’s Indian, not Pakistani, an inconvenient detail, I know.

Maybe if comprehension came before outrage, being called out wouldn’t feel so upsetting, especially when the criticism is aimed at an extremist group, not your ego.

 

[Local.Dada]

He’s Indian, not Pakistani, an inconvenient detail, I know.

Maybe if comprehension came before outrage, being called out wouldn’t feel so upsetting, especially when the criticism is aimed at an extremist group, not your ego.

Before 1947 all Pakistani Muslims were Indian Muslims only. Doesn’t matter if he has an Indian passport, any Jihadi creating terror and chaos has a 2- nation theory mindset. He should be hanged or sent upstairs asap. I don’t think anyone disagrees on that sentiment.

 

[HalBass9]

Before 1947 all Pakistani Muslims were Indian Muslims only. Doesn’t matter if he has an Indian passport, any Jihadi creating terror and chaos has a 2- nation theory mindset. He should be hanged or sent upstairs asap. I don’t think anyone disagrees on that sentiment.

Every extremists, be it hindutva who wants to lynch over a cow, Christian who wants to kill over white supremacy or Zio who wants to commit genocide because they are the chosen one should have the same faith.

He is Indian, he entered Australia with the same passport that you use or used to travel on.

 

[Local.Dada]

Every extremists, be it hindutva who wants to lynch over a cow, Christian who wants to kill over white supremacy or Zio who wants to commit genocide because they are the chosen one should have the same faith.

He is Indian, he entered Australia with the same passport that you use or used to travel on.

Someone lynching another guy is a crime and there is incarceration to capital punishments as per law for it. Totally endorse law taking its course .

Organized Jihad on religion and killing unsuspecting civilians including kids is a big menace and their abba dabba gibberish sympathizers probably the bigger issue. Should be dealt with a heavy hand. If that’s what you are also thinking, no disagreement.

 

[HalBass9]

Someone lynching another guy is a crime and there is incarceration to capital punishments as per law for it. Totally endorse law taking its course .

Organized Jihad on religion and killing unsuspecting civilians including kids is a big menace and their abba dabba gibberish sympathizers probably the bigger issue. Should be dealt with a heavy hand. If that’s what you are also thinking, no disagreement.

Hindutva is a organized group.

Terrorism is a crime, too.

Almost all Muslims are against ISIS.

So who are you trying to get upset at?

 

[Local.Dada]

Hindutva is a organized group.

Terrorism is a crime, too.

Almost all Muslims are against ISIS.

So who are you trying to get upset at?

Examples???

 

[RexRex]

No they won't. Candace Owen and Jimmy Dore predicted this would happen well before the event, and these are people with huge media platforms, not some randoms off the street.

Candace Owens and Jimmy Dore are two conspiracy theory grifters who earn millions of dollars from their opinion shows, which stream to a gullible audience yearning for contrarian takes. Some other things they preach are - the US faked the moon landings in 1969 and French leader Macron's wife is actually a man.

I always did wonder who was out there paying attention to these shows. Today I found out it was you and likely thousands of other rishwats out there.

 

[HalBass9]

Examples???

Oh lord. As if Hindutva being an organized, religion driven political ideology is some hidden mystery. It has formal organizations, a defined ideology, decades of history, and direct influence on state power. Asking for proof at this point isn’t skepticism, it’s just pretending not to see what’s openly advertised.

 

[Local.Dada]

Candace Owens and Jimmy Dore are two conspiracy theory grifters who earn millions of dollars from their opinion shows, which stream to a gullible audience who love contrarian takes. Some other things they believe in are - the US faked the moon landings in 1969 and French leader Macron's wife is actually a man.

I always did wonder who was out there paying attention to these shows. Today I found out it was you and likely thousands of other rishwats out there.

I notice a pattern, satellite proofs. Credible articles, data points are never counted as credible.

Andrew Tate, Candace Owen’s, Mr. adobe and social media are the ultimate form of truths.

 

[Local.Dada]

Oh lord. As if Hindutva being an organized, religion driven political ideology is some hidden mystery. It has formal organizations, a defined ideology, decades of history, and direct influence on state power. Asking for proof at this point isn’t skepticism, it’s just pretending not to see what’s openly advertised.

I said give me a name. Let’s do this, for every organization name you give me I will give you back 5. Deal.

I know your little brain will say BJP/ RSS . Doesn’t count because BJP is a political party and RSS is a legal social organization. Just because some dumb kid on a keyboard calls them “terror group” it doesn’t become one: you can be a official member of RSS or BJP and travel all over the world if you have legit documents. No immigration will stop you. Cant say the same for the organizations I am going to hit you with.

Let’s go, looking forward to this game

 

[RexRex]

I notice a pattern, satellite proofs. Credible articles, data points are never counted as credible.

Andrew Tate, Candace Owen’s, Mr. adobe and social media are the ultimate form of truths.

There's a convergence of interests between anti-israel right-wingers in the West and those muslims who are antisemitic/antizionist. Not that I'm accusing Cpt of being one.

 

[Local.Dada]

There's a convergence of interests between anti-israel right-wingers in the West and those muslims who are antisemitic/antizionist. Not that I'm accusing Cpt of being one.

There is right wing and left wing ideology and then there is ideology of saying something inflammatory to get a rise out of Indian posters on a forum just for the heck of it. That’s called trash, not ideology.

 

[Patriot]

Terrorism is one the biggest issues in the world. It keeps countries unstable, poor results in violence and death. Terrorist groups latch onto any cause in order to gain power. Some causes such as Palestine feel more right than others e.g Sudan, Afghanistan. But it’s all the same.

The war was decided in 1948. Whether Israel were right or wrong they won. And winners generally dictate terms. I think the failure of Arab states to recognise Israel and fully accept Palestinian immigrants was a mistake. This led to the lingering belief that somehow Israel could still be driven from their lands which is not reality. These terrorists groups that hold this view that they will somehow achieve this again are not realistic. I think these terrorist groups probably know this and are just using this excuse to claim power. As a result innocent Palestinians are suffering and dying for this cause. Even a disadvantaged peace is better than what they have. Let alone holding out for what will never happen.

Now Palestine, mostly Gaza is overrun with terrorism, where it is so bad, that Arab countries don’t want them near them or immigrating to them either. Gaza is blocked at its borders not just by Israel but by Egypt too, and this is a result of Hamas.

It has got so bad, that Arab countries have a much bigger issue with dealing with terrorism themselves than Israel. I doubt most Arab countries even truly care about Israel anymore, these terrorist organisations are far more threatening to their countries. They prefer Israel over these terrorist organisations.

Setting aside the issues of 1948, which started off by ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in 1947 and the views of the Zionist elites that to form a Jewish state would require expulsion of Arabs from their own homeland, what about 1967?

Palestinians aren’t fighting for pre-1948 land/borders. Even Hamas’s new charter is focussed on pre-1967 borders. Israel illegally invaded and annexed the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 with no just cause.

You either subscribe to a world view where might is right and you can occupy and take any territory you want whether legal or illegal or you subscribe to a world view that might is not right and that we have a rules based order where nation states can no longer invade any country they want and take it. I happen to believe in the latter world view and I am glad that this is what we have today. The League of Nations and its successor, the UN was created for this reason. So Israel in 1967 went against this world view as the UN was established by then as were international laws.

If you subscribe to the former world view where might is right, then you should also accept that in the future, when the US can no longer support Israel, then the Arabs may attack and take over the land entirely followed by expulsion of Jews. I however do not support this view as like the Palestinians, I support pre-1967 borders but at the same time accept in a state for Jewish people.

While Egypt also blockades Gaza by land, Israel not only blockades it by land but also by sea and air and this blockade has been happening since 1967 when Israel annexed the Gaza Strip. The blockade has only worsened over the decades. So the terrorism is a reaction to the suffering experienced by Palestinians as the world does nothing.

 

[Patriot]

Well addressed post. Why does the Arabs being the people of same religion doesn't even accept people from Palestine??

The extremists mindset has corrupted most of the MEA region, Afghanistan and Pakistan that Arab’s have more restrictions on them than the West.

Funny how no one even talks about it here

They don’t accept them because expulsion means they will never be allowed back into their lands by the Israelis. The Palestinians don’t want to leave their land.

I could ask the same thing. Why were the Jews kicked out of so many European countries but that would be racist. So why isn’t the question, why don’t other Arabs accept Palestinians racist either? If you think one is racist, then the other is as well.

 

[Local.Dada]

Setting aside the issues of 1948, which started off by ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in 1947 and the views of the Zionist elites that to form a Jewish state would require expulsion of Arabs from their own homeland, what about 1967?

Palestinians aren’t fighting for pre-1948 land/borders. Even Hamas’s new charter is focussed on pre-1967 borders. Israel illegally invaded and annexed the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 with no just cause.

You either subscribe to a world view where might is right and you can occupy and take any territory you want whether legal or illegal or you subscribe to a world view that might is not right and that we have a rules based order where nation states can no longer invade any country they want and take it. I happen to believe in the latter world view and I am glad that this is what we have today. The League of Nations and its successor, the UN was created for this reason. So Israel in 1967 went against this world view as the UN was established by then as were international laws.

If you subscribe to the former world view where might is right, then you should also accept that in the future, when the US can no longer support Israel, then the Arabs may attack and take over the land entirely followed by expulsion of Jews. I however do not support this view as like the Palestinians, I support pre-1967 borders but at the same time accept in a state for Jewish people.

While Egypt also blockades Gaza by land, Israel not only blockades it by land but also by sea and air and this blockade has been happening since 1967 when Israel annexed the Gaza Strip. The blockade has only worsened over the decades. So the terrorism is a reaction to the suffering experienced by Palestinians as the world does nothing.

I have no problem if you empathize with Palestinians. In fact I don’t want any innocent kid to die or normal people to suffer (regardless of race/relgion): I don’t think most on this forum want that either.

However what do you think about Kashmiri Pandits? this is in your neighborhood.




The Kashmiri Pandit population in the Kashmir Valley dramatically decreased after the early 1990s exodus, with estimates suggesting around
150,000-170,000lived there pre-1990, and only a few thousand (around 6,500 in 2024) now remain in the valley, with most displaced across India, though exact figures vary by source.
Before the Exodus (Pre-1990):

• Estimates suggest the Kashmiri Pandit population in the valley was between 120,000 and 170,000before the mass migration.

During the 1990 Exodus:

• Around 90,000 to 100,000 Pandits fled the valley between January and March 1990, with some scholars suggesting figures up to 160,000 left.

Current Situation:

• Today, only a small fraction of the original population remains in the Kashmir Valley, estimated at roughly 6,500.
• The majority now live in displacement camps and other parts of India, with significant numbers in Jammu.

 

[Patriot]

If I say much, posters get angry but anyone thinks this attack got anything to do with attackers nationality, need to get his brain checked. The attack was religious motivated and not out of patriotism. It is like saying Jihadi John, who was beheading people in Syria, whose original name was Siddhartha Dhar before converting, joined ISIS for his motherland India.

No point trying to figure out whether he is from India, Pakistan or Australia. Because honestly, that was insignificant for the attacker or the motivation behind his attack.

C'mmon pupils, little introspection please.

Agreed. It’s not about nationality but ideology. Let’s see how this unfolds and what the motive of these terrorists is.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Irrespective of nationality. the Jew hatred is real in Islamic nations and it should be condemned. With millions of Muslims who migrated to the West in the last 2 decades, Jews are not safe anywhere. Majority of Muslims are peace loving, but it takes a few to cause such massacres.

Holocaust Pepertators were nt Muslims.

 

[Patriot]

I have no problem if you empathize with Palestinians. In fact I don’t want any innocent kid to die or normal people to suffer (regardless of race/relgion): I don’t think most on this forum want that either.

However what do you think about Kashmiri Pandits? this is in your neighborhood.




The Kashmiri Pandit population in the Kashmir Valley dramatically decreased after the early 1990s exodus, with estimates suggesting around
150,000-170,000lived there pre-1990, and only a few thousand (around 6,500 in 2024) now remain in the valley, with most displaced across India, though exact figures vary by source.
Before the Exodus (Pre-1990):

• Estimates suggest the Kashmiri Pandit population in the valley was between 120,000 and 170,000before the mass migration.

During the 1990 Exodus:

• Around 90,000 to 100,000 Pandits fled the valley between January and March 1990, with some scholars suggesting figures up to 160,000 left.

Current Situation:

• Today, only a small fraction of the original population remains in the Kashmir Valley, estimated at roughly 6,500.
• The majority now live in displacement camps and other parts of India, with significant numbers in Jammu.

My knowledge on the Kashmiri Pandits is not as much as on Palestine. However, I will trust your word on it and what you have posted is sad. To be removed from your homeland and live in displacement camps is no different to what the Palestinians have experienced.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I said give me a name. Let’s do this, for every organization name you give me I will give you back 5. Deal.

I know your little brain will say BJP/ RSS . Doesn’t count because BJP is a political party and RSS is a legal social organization. Just because some dumb kid on a keyboard calls them “terror group” it doesn’t become one: you can be a official member of RSS or BJP and travel all over the world if you have legit documents. No immigration will stop you. Cant say the same for the organizations I am going to hit you with.

Let’s go, looking forward to this game

This should be good.

 

[straighttalk]

Just wanted to know if you had anything to add to this hateful paragraph you wrote above ^ now that it has been confirmed that the attacker was an Indian.

Mainly, I wanted to confirm if you stand by the statement you wrote above on Sunday.

Absolutely jehadis have no nationality and should be eliminated irrespective of India or Pakistani or any other nation...he left India 27 years ago at the age of 30 and his son is Australian..he is Indian origin for sure but India has nothing to do with him. Australia should look at how he got radicalized and then eliminate that support system...if that's Indian mujhauddins..get rid of them just as India is tackling the doctors and IM before that .

 

[rpant_gabba]

Holocaust Pepertators were nt Muslims.

Agree. European Xtian guilt over its centuries of antisemitism cannot be the reason for a state.

The agin around the same timeframe, a recent convert Muslim leader with questionable morals declared muslims can't live with hindus and threatened to destroy India. Too bad population exchange wasn't complete

 

[Patriot]

I know in your head you think this is a massive 'own' but gay jokes used to be funny maybe twenty years ago.

I keep asking you to explain why I was clueless in my earlier post. I am genuinely curious to know your thoughts on this.

Please Rana.

I think because the 9/11 terrorists were educated engineers, etc. while your claim was uneducated louts are brainwashed into terrorism.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Agree. European Xtian guilt over its centuries of antisemitism cannot be the reason for a state.

The agin around the same timeframe, a recent convert Muslim leader with questionable morals declared muslims can't live with hindus and threatened to destroy India. Too bad population exchange wasn't complete

there is no justification for ethnic cleansing whether comitted by Xtians of Europe against jews or whether its done by zionist Jews against arabs who cant fight back

Muslims cant live with Hindus is proven by Right wing Hindutva Idealogy everyday

 

[RexRex]

I think because the 9/11 terrorists were educated engineers, etc. while your claim was uneducated louts are brainwashed into terrorism.

I didn't say uneducated; I said many unhappy or mentally-ill or unemployed seek comfort, to put it lightly, from their religion and its imperatives. Does 9/11 contradict that ?

 

[Patriot]

I didn't say uneducated; I said many unhappy or mentally-ill or unemployed seek comfort, to put it lightly, from their religion and its imperatives. Does 9/11 contradict that ?

I wouldn’t know if the 9/11 terrorists were unhappy or mentally ill. I was simply providing an explanation based on my understanding since you kept asking him post after post.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Indian National Identified as Atta@cker by Philippine Officials | Craig Vermay​

Great peice of journalism, guy etion at the very end, that Indi at all times via thr social media blamed Pakistam, he also mentioned that India at every opportunity blame Pakistan, mentioned terrorist attachks via afghanistan on pakistan and also Kashmir

 

[90MPH]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2001020756822778238

Btw it didn’t bother me if the father was Arab, Pakistani or Indian but there was definitely an absurd coordinated campaign on Twitter early on to suggest he was Pakistani.
Everyone should wait for the evidence before jumping the gun.

 

[IronShield]

How not very surprising that @Devadwal has legged it and left @straighttalk to man the fort

 

[straighttalk]

Just wanted to know if you had anything to add to this hateful paragraph you wrote above ^ now that it has been confirmed that the attacker was an Indian.

Mainly, I wanted to confirm if you stand by the statement you wrote above on Sunday.

Which part of my statement do you find hateful...eradicating the backers of terrorists like hafeez let Osama masoor ilyas jem hizbul. What's wrong with getting rid of evil people who kill in the name of relogion

 

[Champ_Pal]

The guy is an Aussie national and so is his Son. Basically both Akram’s are Aussies. They got radicalized in Australia. Nothing to do with India or Pakistan.

Bottom line is, Islamic Terror is real and anyone can get radicalized at any moment. West needs to up their security surveillance before it gets out of hand. We cannot have all these loonies out free in the world.

 

[Champ_Pal]

How not very surprising that @Devadwal has legged it and left @straighttalk to man the fort

The shooters are Muslims and radicals at it. Son is a Aus citizen and father left India 27 yrs ago. His family disowned him for marrying a Christian.

 

[ahsan17]

The guy is an Aussie national and so is his Son. Basically both Akram’s are Aussies. They got radicalized in Australia. Nothing to do with India or Pakistan.

Bottom line is, Islamic Terror is real and anyone can get radicalized at any moment. West needs to up their security surveillance before it gets out of hand. We cannot have all these loonies out free in the world.

1. The father is still an Indian National
2. Andhbakhts have mercilessly trolled in the past about terrorists whose parents or grandparents were from Pakistan, but who themselves were born in western countries. So no get out of jail card for andhbakhts.

 

[Champ_Pal]

1. The father is still an Indian National
2. Andhbakhts have mercilessly trolled in the past about terrorists whose parents or grandparents were from Pakistan, but who themselves were born in western countries. So no get out of jail card for andhbakhts.

It wasn’t an Andhbhakt that did the shooting. The point is, it is still Islamic terror no matter which country the person came from. The father lived in Australia for 28 yrs and still did not get citizenship? Something is fishy.

Radicalism has been increasing in India. Too many sleeper cells. Local governments turn a blind eye for the fear of losing minority votes.
If central BJP government acts tough, there will be cries of Islamophobia by the usual suspects. Let’s see how this story unfolds. More details awaited .

 

[Local.Dada]

there is no justification for ethnic cleansing whether comitted by Xtians of Europe against jews or whether its done by zionist Jews against arabs who cant fight back

Muslims cant live with Hindus is proven by Right wing Hindutva Idealogy everyday

I guess you skipped past my post from #908.

 

[Obaidd]

Tremendous respect for the elderly couple, Boris and Sofia Gurman, who tackled and disarmed one of the shooters but were killed later.

Absolute respect for another bystander, Reuven Morrison, who tried to throw objects at the shooter. Reuven too paid with his life for his immense act of bravery.

 

[Local.Dada]

doesn’t matter if he is Indian or Pakistani, he is a terrorist with a radical ideology. However still haven’t heard the last name “Akram” among especially South Indian Muslims given they say this guy was from Hyderabad. Maybe in a first name context “Akram Raza” etc but don’t recollect hearing it in a last name. Always thought it was a Punjabi Muslim last name given the only time I come across that last name is with Pak team.

 

[emranabbas]

Last time ISIS helped Muslims, well never.

Last time ISIS lead to deaths of millions of Muslims, always.

Last time ISIS helped to destabilize the region with the help of, well y'all know, always.

you forgot to mention ISIS had sectarian conflicts its not if they were Christian, Jews or Hindus killing Muslims it was Muslims killing Shia Muslims or Muslims they had religion difference with.

 

[rballer]

I think another aspect we are missing is Immigration from India. This should be looked at. This country is sending scammers and extremist to the world. They have been doing similar things in Canada, killing Sikhs.

India as an entity is a problem and I think world is seeing through it.

 

[IMMY69]

Irrespective of nationality. the Jew hatred is real in Islamic nations and it should be condemned. With millions of Muslims who migrated to the West in the last 2 decades, Jews are not safe anywhere. Majority of Muslims are peace loving, but it takes a few to cause such massacres.

I don't see it as jew hatred; it's not even about hating the extremist RSS/BJP posters here like yourself...

It's just very said to see such radicalised extremists like yourself...
Try and pull yourself out of it

 

[IMMY69]

doesn’t matter if he is Indian or Pakistani, he is a terrorist with a radical ideology. However still haven’t heard the last name “Akram” among especially South Indian Muslims given they say this guy was from Hyderabad. Maybe in a first name context “Akram Raza” etc but don’t recollect hearing it in a last name. Always thought it was a Punjabi Muslim last name given the only time I come across that last name is with Pak team.

Have shame
Scammers, extremists... terrorists
Is it too late for people like you in India?

 

[IronShield]

Have shame
Scammers, extremists... terrorists
Is it too late for people like you in India?

Now they are trying to spin the magnanimous yarn.... but their early posts were a giveaway...

I didn't know what it is with 2025, its just not working out for them this year.

 

[ads101]

Setting aside the issues of 1948, which started off by ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in 1947 and the views of the Zionist elites that to form a Jewish state would require expulsion of Arabs from their own homeland, what about 1967?

Palestinians aren’t fighting for pre-1948 land/borders. Even Hamas’s new charter is focussed on pre-1967 borders. Israel illegally invaded and annexed the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 with no just cause.

You either subscribe to a world view where might is right and you can occupy and take any territory you want whether legal or illegal or you subscribe to a world view that might is not right and that we have a rules based order where nation states can no longer invade any country they want and take it. I happen to believe in the latter world view and I am glad that this is what we have today. The League of Nations and its successor, the UN was created for this reason. So Israel in 1967 went against this world view as the UN was established by then as were international laws.

If you subscribe to the former world view where might is right, then you should also accept that in the future, when the US can no longer support Israel, then the Arabs may attack and take over the land entirely followed by expulsion of Jews. I however do not support this view as like the Palestinians, I support pre-1967 borders but at the same time accept in a state for Jewish people.

While Egypt also blockades Gaza by land, Israel not only blockades it by land but also by sea and air and this blockade has been happening since 1967 when Israel annexed the Gaza Strip. The blockade has only worsened over the decades. So the terrorism is a reaction to the suffering experienced by Palestinians as the world does nothing.

Hamas have never said they will recognise Israel. The pre 1967 borders are a temporary measure. Thus once gained, Israelis will still have to fear Hamas will push for more. This isn’t true of other organisations which have become less violent and more diplomatic such as the PLO. But as I said this is the issue. Hamas’s overrun of Gaza has also led to Israel to be less reluctant in negotiations given that is what Palestinians chose to vote in. A terrorist organisation not only considered to be one by Israel but Arab countries (and the rest of the world) too. Again this hostage debacle has also put a big dent in negotiations and given more support for the extremists in the Israeli government who don’t want to cede anything to Palestine.

There were several provocations that led to the war in 1967. Removing the un peacekeepers, mobilising troops, blocking access to the Red Sea trying to bankrupt the Israeli economy. This was all done partly as refusal to properly concede defeat back in 1948 and support the idea of Israel’s right to exist.

Back in 1948 Israel didn’t have much US support. They nearly lost. And had they lost there likely would have been a massacre. Tbh today take away US, and Israel still might win. Israel is too well established in its own right these days and Arab countries continue to have issues. 1948 was their best shot. Not saying necessarily might is right. But when you undertake a war, you have to prepare for the eventuality of losing.

The world are not friends of Palestine nor owes them anything. When Jews were expelled from the surrounding Arab countries, Israel took them in. There are so many surrounding Arab countries which could have collectively worked to integrate Palestinians. These Arab countries are the ones that convinced them to go to war in the first place. So bear responsibility for the loss. I don’t genuinely believe Palestinians would rather die and suffer in that land than live peaceful lives. Yes patriotism is important. But I think most place the wellbeing of their families above this even if they have to immigrate to other countries. More surrounding Arab countries wanted this to put pressure on Israel. And as a result of this, it has fuelled the rise of terrorism.

I think in the future more Arab countries will go towards the idea of recognising Israel. Some already have. What prevents them is public backlash. Their main enemy isn’t Israel anymore. It’s these terrorist organisations. I doubt they even feel the same they did back in 1948.

The issues were created back in 1948 war, where it all dates back to. Jews had already survived a holocaust and for centuries driven from land to land. 1948 was an almost final extermination of their people. I think it’s natural what you are going to create from that is a less caring, focused on self preservation country. Hard to have sympathy for the opposition when you would be dead if things went the other way around. They have basically created the monster in Israel themselves. I don’t think it was right to bow into Zionist pressure and give Israel land in the first place. But once that has been done, and a war has taken place and ended, you’ve got to look at the reality of the situation, it was unlikely Israel were going anywhere. And I don’t think Arab countries had any realistic, sensible plan or abilities to force Israel out after the war. Nor the terroist groups.

War is never good but it’s preferable over terrorism. War ends, peace terms are negotiated, countries can recover. Terrorism however can last forever and does nothing to aid the progress of a solution to the issue. If anything it sets it back. Civilians are left in a constant uneasy, insecure state on both sides. Economies dwindle. It’s like a plague.

 

[CricVet]

Now they are trying to spin the magnanimous yarn.... but their early posts were a giveaway...

I didn't know what it is with 2025, its just not working out for them this year.

Make your point and ignore these idiots - most of them are bunch of BJP low iq spin doctors.

 

[Local.Dada]

Have shame
Scammers, extremists... terrorists
Is it too late for people like you in India?

Ah, so you want to throw your Muslim brother under the bus just because you found out he might be a Indian.

Firstly he has been radicalized by ISIS from what I’m hearing in Australia/ Philippines of all places : Wonder what the “I” stands for.

Not “India” for sure. Making sure you know it has nothing to do with Not BJP/ RSS Hindu-Tawa before you hop on to the next thread of India bashing.

Also should Australia do a surgical strike on old city, Hyderabad? What is your point?

 

[Champ_Pal]

doesn’t matter if he is Indian or Pakistani, he is a terrorist with a radical ideology. However still haven’t heard the last name “Akram” among especially South Indian Muslims given they say this guy was from Hyderabad. Maybe in a first name context “Akram Raza” etc but don’t recollect hearing it in a last name. Always thought it was a Punjabi Muslim last name given the only time I come across that last name is with Pak team.

The Ashraf ones do have almost Pakistan'esque names.

Non-Ashraf Muslims have names like Khaja, Vali, Ali, Pasha, Basha, Noorbasha, Saida, Qasim, Kasmoor etc. Just from experience.

 

[HalBass9]

I said give me a name. Let’s do this, for every organization name you give me I will give you back 5. Deal.

I know your little brain will say BJP/ RSS . Doesn’t count because BJP is a political party and RSS is a legal social organization. Just because some dumb kid on a keyboard calls them “terror group” it doesn’t become one: you can be a official member of RSS or BJP and travel all over the world if you have legit documents. No immigration will stop you. Cant say the same for the organizations I am going to hit you with.

Let’s. go, looking forward to this game

This isn’t a competition or a numbers game, it’s about calling out religiously driven extremism wherever it exists, whether that ideology comes from ISIS, the KKK, Nazis, Hindutva or Zio. The label doesn’t matter, the behavior and ideology do.

What undermines your position further is that your argument is repeatedly echoed and reinforced by people who openly push Hindutva narratives while pretending to be atheists. That alignment isn’t accidental, it exposes the ideological bias you’re unwilling or unable to acknowledge. When the same group consistently validates your views, it doesn’t strengthen your argument; it reveals where it’s coming from.

If this is the defense you’re relying on to feel justified, then it’s a weak one. Deflection, posturing, and ideological denial don’t refute criticism, they confirm it.

Just because a member of an extremist group can travel does not make it less extremists, recently the current Syrian president was sitting in White House. Taliban were giving press conference from New Delhi.

You are too fragile to play any game. You lot get easily triggered when Hindutva are called out for who they are. Muslims on this very forum are calling out ISIS, y'all just upset that y'all can't label every Muslim as extremists, a Hindutva wet dream.

 

[Vikram1989]

doesn’t matter if he is Indian or Pakistani, he is a terrorist with a radical ideology. However still haven’t heard the last name “Akram” among especially South Indian Muslims given they say this guy was from Hyderabad. Maybe in a first name context “Akram Raza” etc but don’t recollect hearing it in a last name. Always thought it was a Punjabi Muslim last name given the only time I come across that last name is with Pak team.

I am also completely surprised by that name. I am from that state and had lots of Muslim friends too.In my place , there were quite a good number of muslims. all of their names are pretty much typical Indian standard names.

I never heard such a name even in south indian movie cast too.

 

[Vikram1989]

The Ashraf ones do have almost Pakistan'esque names.

Non-Ashraf Muslims have names like Khaja, Vali, Ali, Pasha, Basha, Noorbasha, Saida, Qasim, Kasmoor etc. Just from experience.

Ashraf ones?

 

[Vikram1989]

Below is the View point of the terrorist/ gunman. Doesn’t seem like a member of RSS/ BJP. Also don’t think you meant it, I think saying those words is more of a medical tourette condition for you so will over look it.

I was going through the page. There was a picture where radicals were breaking the Buddha statue on the road saying they are against idol worship.dont understand why all of them were not put inside the bars and followed closely.

 

[Marshland]

You’re arguing for reform in something you clearly don’t understand.

Muslims across the world have unequivocally and repeatedly condemned ISIS. That is a documented fact, regardless of attempts by Hindutvas on this forum to falsely imply collective support.

In exactly the same way, you condemned the Christchurch massacre without being held responsible for the actions of the perpetrator. Collective blame was neither fair nor logical then, and it isn’t now.

Condemnation of violence does not require shared identity with the criminal, and reform cannot begin with ignorance or bad faith generalizations. Any argument that ignores this basic principle collapses on its own.

You don’t have to be a musician to spot a wrong note in an orchestra.

While most Muslims do condemn ISIS, the question is whether existing religious and institutional safeguards are actually preventing radicalization before it turns violent.

This isn’t collective blame, and invoking Christchurch is a false equivalence. One can reject collective guilt while still recognizing that certain doctrines and interpretations are repeatedly exploited to justify violence.

Reform starts with honest acknowledgement, not with dismissing concerns as bad faith.

 

[sweep_shot]

You don’t have to be a musician to spot a wrong note in an orchestra.

While most Muslims do condemn ISIS, the question is whether existing religious and institutional safeguards are actually preventing radicalization before it turns violent.

This isn’t collective blame, and invoking Christchurch is a false equivalence. One can reject collective guilt while still recognizing that certain doctrines and interpretations are repeatedly exploited to justify violence.

Reform starts with honest acknowledgement, not with dismissing concerns as bad faith.

There are hundreds of mass shootings in USA.

It is difficult to control and monitor every single person.

Aussie Brenton Terrant killed 51 innocent Muslims. Should we blame all Australians? Of course not.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Shameful... looks like he is from Indian hyderabad

 

[Bhimja turtle]

All these usual suspects say that for them Islam comes first before nationality.

Now that this Akram guy got caught doing the unthinkable, suddenly they remember his nationality. I am sure if this Akram guy is asked, he will say his allegiance is not towards Australia.

Exactly my point, guy's who talk about ummah should be last to talk about nationality

 

[Varun]

All these usual suspects say that for them Islam comes first before nationality.

Now that this Akram guy got caught doing the unthinkable, suddenly they remember his nationality. I am sure if this Akram guy is asked, he will say his allegiance is not towards Australia.

Yep. Equally, the good guy who tackled the guy to the ground - his heritage (Syrian) hasn't been brought up once on this thread so far. For him it's only religion.

 

[Major]

This thread shows why Islamophobia exists and its due to the acts and opinions of Muslims themselves.

When you go lengths to justify killing and murder, people will fear from where that ideology comes from, and when you find out that the commonality between that group of people justifying murder is Islam, than there you go...

 

[Patriot]

Irrespective of religion, the terrorists were Muslims. Islam does not permit of individuals committing such acts and killing of civilians. We as a global Muslim community need to do something about this. I think people are in pockets but it needs to be global and needs to reach the right audience.

 

[BouncerGuy]

STAY ON TOPIC

WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR PERSONAL FIGHTS

 

[Patriot]

I have been falsely accused of condoning murder when I have done no such thing. People cannot read properly it seems and have comprehension issues!

 

[psyoptica]

Nice try retard.

You have been justifying the deaths. The thread is about an event that took place in bondi beach where innocent people were gunned down by a muslim.

The likes of you went to lengths justifying this event and doing the lame old whaboutism.

Same theory applies, al qaeda was never one nationality, muslims from different countries joined, so now should the likes of you be killed cause you share a similar religion with al qaeda and bin laden

Well the retard here is clearly you. @Patriot clarified his position that he does not support nor condone violence and there’s no place for it in Islam but you carry on with your bullish behaviour like a proper illiterate idiot. You need to be put in your place more often.

 

[Major]

Well the retard here is clearly you. @Patriot clarified his position that he does not support nor condone violence and there’s no place for it in Islam but you carry on with your bullish behaviour like a proper illiterate idiot. You need to be put in your place more often.

Here comes a retard from the pti camp

 

[psyoptica]

Here comes a retard from the pti camp

Nice comeback, scum

 

[uppercut]

You will need to provide more context.

Are you referring to since the advent of Islam, I.e. during the time of the Prophet SAW? The Arabs had a treaty with the Jews in Madina which they broke by raping a women leading to fighting between the Arab Muslims and Jews and subsequent expulsion of a specific Jewish tribe.

Or are you referring to the conflict between Arabs and Jews in relation to Palestine? Most likely some unknown skirmish started by Arabs that resulted in fighting between the two groups due to the Zionists acquiring land from the Ottomans. Zionism is the real ‘shot’ that started the conflict.

Jews were persecuted in Europe over centuries to the point that even well integrated Jews in the late 19th century, such as those in France and Britain realised that even though they are part of an industrialised and post enlightened society, Jews will continue to be persecuted and need their own homeland. This started the Zionist project to acquire a homeland in the only land Jews had ever ruled, Palestine, over 3,000 years ago. There were different types of Zionists, such as those who wanted their own legal nation recognised by the world immediately compared with those that wanted land and to develop that land before declaring it a nation. This started the migration to Palestine as ruled by the Ottomans where they stealthily acquired land to develop so that it could be one day declared an independent state. The young fierce Zionists built the land with the funding coming from the old, wealthy, established Zionists in Western Europe. While there had always been a small presence of Jews in the holy land since the time of the Arab conquest, migration and population increased. Initially the Arabs and Ottomans did not have an issue but the Zionists started buying land from Absentee landlords. The Ottomans in the 1850s reformed their land ownership laws so that land had to be registered. Prior to this was a federal based system where people living on the land for generations were the owners though it was not written legally. The Arabs were hesitant to register their land due to paying tax and being conscripted for the military. Instead, wealthy elites in Beirut and Istanbul, etc. put their names down to land they had never visited and became absentee landlords. It was these absentee landlords that sold the land for profit to the Zionists with no care for the actual owners, the Arabs. The Zionists then took control of the land and kicked the Arab farmers out who had been living there for centuries. This process increased, resulting in resentment, protests and eventually skirmishes and was the cause of the conflict.

Despite dodgy acquisition of land by the Zionists, they only purchased 5% of the land in total in what is now Israel/Palestine, but they were granted more than 50% by the UN in 1948 to form the state of Israel, which was one of the reasons the Arabs attacked. Another reason for the attack was the ethnic cleansing committed by the Zionist militias in 1947 of Palestinian villages and massacres such as the Deir Yassin massacre before any Arab invasion in 1948.

Now you tell me who is to blame?

Thanks for the detailed response ... I will counter later ... possibly over the weekend.

 

[Major]

I am just here to enjoy the melt down and mental gymnastics of resident Indian right wingers, it's too HILARIOUS ....But unlike them won't cash in the latest revelations

The mental gymnastics are not only being done just by the indians but also by the Brit Pakistanis aswell.

When the attacker was just a muslim, there were lengths of post justifying the attack, calling it an inside job etc. Now he turns out to be an indian, the narrative shifted from justification to Indian bashing.

This forum ad million threads on islamophobia, and the answer of the existence of it is there on the first 8 pages of this thread where Brit poster justified the attack.

The indians are here just to troll, but for muslims to justify this attack, that is more concerning

 

[emranabbas]

The mental gymnastics are not only being done just by the indians but also by the Brit Pakistanis aswell.

When the attacker was just a muslim, there were lengths of post justifying the attack, calling it an inside job etc. Now he turns out to be an indian, the narrative shifted from justification to Indian bashing.

This forum ad million threads on islamophobia, and the answer of the existence of it is there on the first 8 pages of this thread where Brit poster justified the attack.

The indians are here just to troll, but for muslims to justify this attack, that is more concerning

I remember some guys saying it was an inside job by the Israeli's

 

[psyoptica]

The mental gymnastics are not only being done just by the indians but also by the Brit Pakistanis aswell.

When the attacker was just a muslim, there were lengths of post justifying the attack, calling it an inside job etc. Now he turns out to be an indian, the narrative shifted from justification to Indian bashing.

This forum ad million threads on islamophobia, and the answer of the existence of it is there on the first 8 pages of this thread where Brit poster justified the attack.

The indians are here just to troll, but for muslims to justify this attack, that is more concerning

Can you point to those posts justifying this horrible act? I’m having a hard time finding them. I have seen some posts from KingKhanWC who condemned and then deflected to Israel and Cpt Rishwat who was skeptical about the whole thing. No one in his sane mind would condone this. To me it sounds like you’re finding an excuse to have at it against British Pakistanis and I’m not even British.

 

[Major]

I remember some guys saying it was an inside job by the Israeli's

Pti fans are known to be jahils....

 

[Rajdeep]

Can you point to those posts justifying this horrible act? I’m having a hard time finding them. I have seen some posts from KingKhanWC who condemned and then deflected to Israel and Cpt Rishwat who was skeptical about the whole thing. No one in his sane mind would condone this. To me it sounds like you’re finding an excuse to have at it against British Pakistanis and I’m not even British.

Can you point to the posts where posters here have condemned radical Islamic terrorism and recognized it as a problem? Ofcourse no one will cheer on this attack openly as that will make themselves look bad in an open forum. However, aside from those handful of token posts sympathising with the victims, the attempt on this thread has been to blame India, RSS, Jews, Israel, Aussies, West everyone except the main culprits. Everyone can read english and can see what been posted. So this drama of 'show me a post where posters have cheered the attack' will not fool anyone.

 

[Patriot]

Irrespective of religion, the terrorists were Muslims. Islam does not permit of individuals committing such acts and killing of civilians. We as a global Muslim community need to do something about this. I think people are in pockets but it needs to be global and needs to reach the right audience.

@Rajdeep here is an example of recognising the underlying issue. And yet I have been accused of condoning murder.

 

[Varun]

Can you point to the posts where posters here have condemned radical Islamic terrorism and recognized it as a problem? Ofcourse no one will cheer on this attack openly as that will make themselves look bad in an open forum. However, aside from those handful of token posts sympathising with the victims, the attempt on this thread has been to blame India, RSS, Jews, Israel, Aussies, West everyone except the main culprits. Everyone can read english and can see what been posted. So this drama of 'show me a post where posters have cheered the attack' will not fool anyone.

Agreed. Anybody who has posted only once that they condemn it (not necessarily upfront) and spent the remaining 95% of the time writing paragraphs about European colonization of the 1600s, what Netanyahu had for breakfast, the make and model of the guns sold in America this month, and so on, are clearly suspect individuals of their respective societies - mostly Muslims in Britain.

 

[psyoptica]

Can you point to the posts where posters here have condemned radical Islamic terrorism and recognized it as a problem? Ofcourse no one will cheer on this attack openly as that will make themselves look bad in an open forum. However, aside from those handful of token posts sympathising with the victims, the attempt on this thread has been to blame India, RSS, Jews, Israel, Aussies, West everyone except the main culprits. Everyone can read english and can see what been posted. So this drama of 'show me a post where posters have cheered the attack' will not fool anyone.

Well unlike you cheerleading Hindutva nonsense, I do see it as a problem and find concerning there’s not enough condemnation by Muslim communities when its one of their own. But I also understand why that would be seeing the double standards by the society when it’s Muslims who are the victims.

Your uncultured unsophisticated mind would automatically go towards bashing Pakistanis and Muslims, not because you care about the victims but because you are a hateful individual who can’t see the world beyond anti Muslim bias.

 

[psyoptica]

@Rajdeep here is an example of recognising the underlying issue. And yet I have been accused of condoning murder.

My last post also expressed the same thoughts but these indians with their biases will conveniently ignore it because it doesn’t fir their narrative.

 

[IMMY69]

Ah, so you want to throw your Muslim brother under the bus just because you found out he might be a Indian.

Firstly he has been radicalized by ISIS from what I’m hearing in Australia/ Philippines of all places : Wonder what the “I” stands for.

Not “India” for sure. Making sure you know it has nothing to do with Not BJP/ RSS Hindu-Tawa before you hop on to the next thread of India bashing.

Also should Australia do a surgical strike on old city, Hyderabad? What is your point?

I'm actually talking about people like yourself...

 

[Vikram1989]

As am from that Hyderabad region, i feel like a corpse have came back from its closet.Hyderabad used to be bedrock of so many illegal nonsense. Poor Brides used to be sold out for Dubai sheiks.Fake stamps printing was another one.There used to pelting stones magic after every Friday prayer in Mecca masjid.Explosions at every corner killing innocent people in hundreds .Police never used to allow mobiles inside the cricket stadium as a precaution. Past 11 years nothing happened as police have set up the CCTV camers at every corner.They have mandated CCTV for every shop and made the city as one of the most guarded in Asia. After such an exhausted process with almost 6 lakh cctvs, crime rate have settled down. Even in Pakistan newspaper dawn, there was an article about the oppression of people with such face recognition methods .

In India's surveillance hotspot, facial recognition taken to court

Indian government says a facial recognition system is needed to prevent crime and find missing children.

www.dawn.com

Now with this latest attack, entire world will know police have suppressed the attacks but not the ideology. Lots of people with Hyderabad passport are going to face the music especially in NRI Muslims from hyd will have to suffer more.Hyd natives in othwr countries will stop using that place name for some time.

 

[Red-Indian]

As am from that Hyderabad region, i feel like a corpse have came back from its closet.Hyderabad used to be bedrock of so many illegal nonsense. Poor Brides used to be sold out for Dubai sheiks.Fake stamps printing was another one.There used to pelting stones magic after every Friday prayer in Mecca masjid.Explosions at every corner killing innocent people in hundreds .Police never used to allow mobiles inside the cricket stadium as a precaution. Past 11 years nothing happened as police have set up the CCTV camers at every corner.They have mandated CCTV for every shop and made the city as one of the most guarded in Asia. After such an exhausted process with almost 6 lakh cctvs, crime rate have settled down. Even in Pakistan newspaper dawn, there was an article about the oppression of people with such face recognition methods .

In India's surveillance hotspot, facial recognition taken to court

Indian government says a facial recognition system is needed to prevent crime and find missing children.

www.dawn.com

Now with this latest attack, entire world will know police have suppressed the attacks but not the ideology. Lots of people with Hyderabad passport are going to face the music especially in NRI Muslims from hyd will have to suffer more.Hyd natives in othwr countries will stop using that place name for some time.

Hyderabad has definitely changed a lot in the last 15 years. I travel there often...almost monthly since I have a large team there and you can see the change year to year. Even the Old City which, as you say, was the hotbed for extremism and disaffected youth is now more a tourism hotspot. A lot of young Muslims with jobs in IT, the BPO and GCCs refuse to live ghettoised in those suffocating streets and have moved out all over the city and often out of it. Many of the people left there are older clinging to their traditional lifestyles.

I do see a lot more North Africans now though - Somalians, Ethiopians, Sudanese. I wonder how that's happening.

 

[Varun]

Now with this latest attack, entire world will know police have suppressed the attacks but not the ideology. Lots of people with Hyderabad passport are going to face the music especially in NRI Muslims from hyd will have to suffer more.Hyd natives in othwr countries will stop using that place name for some time.

As an aside, I recently visited Hong Kong. As one might know, Indians need a PAR to visit Hong Kong, which one can generate at a click of a button after inputting passport details.

However, if your passport is issued in 3 states: Telangana, Punjab and West Bengal? Boom. Auto-rejected.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Shooter is of Indian origin with an Indian passport but TOI still managed to add Pakistan somewhere

 

[RexRex]

However, if your passport is issued in 3 states: Telangana, Punjab and West Bengal? Boom. Auto-rejected.

I think Canada might be doing this for Punjabi passports, given the trouble they've faced with applicants from that region.