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Its gonna be hard for Cavs to win more than 1 game. The warriors also have 4 defenders to throw at lebron with green, kd, Iggy and klay.
 
Yah game 6 he saved the season forsure. Klay is very underrated he could easily leave Oakland and become the franchise player somewhere else but he will take a pay cut and be the 3rd option.
 
Cavs need Kevin Love back asap to have even the slightest chance.
 
Next season Kawhi is gonna be back, him and the spurs are the only team in the NBA that can put an end to this GSW dynasty. This season is pretty much over next few games are formality.
 
sjahmed23 said:
Next season Kawhi is gonna be back, him and the spurs are the only team in the NBA that can put an end to this GSW dynasty. This season is pretty much over next few games are formality.
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Kawhi and LMA aren’t enough to stop GSW, who you fooling??
 
KingKhanWC said:
Anything can happen in sport. An injury to Le Bron and both Warriors and Rockets could be Cavs, perhaps with ease.
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I dunno if you’ve recently started watching basketball so I won’t ridicule you. But here it is:
Yes, LBJ is the best player in the league by a mile.
However, GSW are stacked. In cricketing terms it’s like 1 team having ABDV but the other having Kohli, Root, Smith and Williamson. That is what GSW are.
And ADBV in this instance has the likes of Ishant Sharma and Jade Dermbach as team mates. The only back up ABDV has is Babar Azam but he’s out injured (Kevin Love).

There’s really no contest. LBJ has been carrying 4 pieces of wood all series. Whereas GSW don’t need to get out of first gear to beat the Cavs. This is one of the worst teams to make it to a championship final that I can think of.
 
Just wanna say that Harden is a choker, and it’s been ANOTHER disappointing postseason for him. If you offered me Westbrook or Harden, I’d turn around, walk out the door, go to the injyry table and take CP3. Much better leader.

27 straight missed 3 pointers. TWENTY-SEVEN.

Like, ?!??!

?!??!
 
idrizzy said:
Kawhi and LMA aren’t enough to stop GSW, who you fooling??
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Have you heard of a guy called Greg Popovich? Did you watch how badly Warriors were losing to Spurs last year before they decided to play dirty?
 
sjahmed23 said:
Have you heard of a guy called Greg Popovich? Did you watch how badly Warriors were losing to Spurs last year before they decided to play dirty?
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Yes Pops the SAF of basketball. Tell me something I don’t know.

Oh, yes, Warriors losing badly to SA? Funny, cos the series ended 4-0 to Warriors. If you’re talking about Kawhi’s injury then that was unfortunate, but to say that SA would’ve beaten GSW is laughable. GSW would’ve won at least 1 game away, and all their games at home against a team that can’t keep up the score with them.
 
idrizzy said:
Yes Pops the SAF of basketball. Tell me something I don’t know.

Oh, yes, Warriors losing badly to SA? Funny, cos the series ended 4-0 to Warriors. If you’re talking about Kawhi’s injury then that was unfortunate, but to say that SA would’ve beaten GSW is laughable. GSW would’ve won at least 1 game away, and all their games at home against a team that can’t keep up the score with them.
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Dude he has a point tho. Spurs were up 20 in Oracle before Zaza did his thang.

Although that was probably before the inevitable 3rd quarter explosion from GSW
 
idrizzy said:
Yes Pops the SAF of basketball. Tell me something I don’t know.

Oh, yes, Warriors losing badly to SA? Funny, cos the series ended 4-0 to Warriors. If you’re talking about Kawhi’s injury then that was unfortunate, but to say that SA would’ve beaten GSW is laughable. GSW would’ve won at least 1 game away, and all their games at home against a team that can’t keep up the score with them.
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If a player like James Harden who plays no defense can take his team to game 7 against warriors then surely a healthy Kawhi (the second best player in NBA) along with Pop (the best coach in NBA) can dethrone the warriors. The warriors are too stacked for their own good, which is why it takes time for their offense to get going and find its rhythm, they were lucky Kawhi got injured last year and this year CP3 got injured.
 
Rayyman said:
Dude he has a point tho. Spurs were up 20 in Oracle before Zaza did his thang.

Although that was probably before the inevitable 3rd quarter explosion from GSW
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It was only one half of one game. If you look at regular season last year, there were many times when Spurs had 20-25 point lead only to go and lose those games.
 
ahsan17 said:
It was only one half of one game. If you look at regular season last year, there were many times when Spurs had 20-25 point lead only to go and lose those games.
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Hardest thing for Spurs is that they don't have any third scorer.
 
Nba needs to enforce a hard cap or it's always gonna be like this with 1 or 2 overpowered teams.
 
Dammit not the Warriors again. There goes all hope :uakmal
 
Rayyman said:
Being from LeBronto I'm surprised you have the audacity to comment here :P
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What? I'm from Montreal and yes I do support Toronto, doesn't mean I cant appreciate greatness when I see it. Bow down to the King, James.
 
idrizzy said:
I dunno if you’ve recently started watching basketball so I won’t ridicule you. But here it is:
Yes, LBJ is the best player in the league by a mile.
However, GSW are stacked. In cricketing terms it’s like 1 team having ABDV but the other having Kohli, Root, Smith and Williamson. That is what GSW are.
And ADBV in this instance has the likes of Ishant Sharma and Jade Dermbach as team mates. The only back up ABDV has is Babar Azam but he’s out injured (Kevin Love).

There’s really no contest. LBJ has been carrying 4 pieces of wood all series. Whereas GSW don’t need to get out of first gear to beat the Cavs. This is one of the worst teams to make it to a championship final that I can think of.
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Please don't misinform people with hyperbole. The likes of Green, Hill and even Thompson aren't as bad as you're making them out to be. Green has been quite useful this series, Hill is clutch with his defense and is a good 3pt shooter and Thompson is quite consistent at rebounding. You could make a case for Korver too, though he lacks any sort of defensive IQ.

Remember the Dallas Mavericks in 2011? They massively overachieved and were carried by Dirk, it's not nonsensical to say that the Cavs could win some games with LeBron on fire. Though I agree that on paper it's not a championship roster it's a completely different situation when LeBron has easily dominated the East for years now and is on the team.
 
If Lebron puts in a GOAT performance, Love plays his best, and Lue coaches like Pop, it's Warriors in 5.

:yk
 
WC-Passion said:
Please don't misinform people with hyperbole. The likes of Green, Hill and even Thompson aren't as bad as you're making them out to be. Green has been quite useful this series, Hill is clutch with his defense and is a good 3pt shooter and Thompson is quite consistent at rebounding. You could make a case for Korver too, though he lacks any sort of defensive IQ.

Remember the Dallas Mavericks in 2011? They massively overachieved and were carried by Dirk, it's not nonsensical to say that the Cavs could win some games with LeBron on fire. Though I agree that on paper it's not a championship roster it's a completely different situation when LeBron has easily dominated the East for years now and is on the team.
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It's not misinformation. It's the truth. That Dallas team was actually pretty good and that series should've been tighter imo, probably Miami in 7.

Compare that to this Cavs vs GSW final, you're seriously bonkers if you think Cavs can actually compete with GSW. GSW are probably the best team we've seen for a long time, and are a superteam. Cavs aren't. The names you mentioned lack consistency and can't do anything away from home (as seen in Pacers and Celtics series). Same thing can be said about GSW, with them starting off slow and it's always a 3rd quarter comeback for them, but they have way too much quality, better defenders, better scorers. Yeah, no way Cavs win this championship.

Did you think Cavs had a chance last year too?
 
sjahmed23 said:
If a player like James Harden who plays no defense can take his team to game 7 against warriors then surely a healthy Kawhi (the second best player in NBA) along with Pop (the best coach in NBA) can dethrone the warriors. The warriors are too stacked for their own good, which is why it takes time for their offense to get going and find its rhythm, they were lucky Kawhi got injured last year and this year CP3 got injured.
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Well, it was Harden AND CP3, but mostly CP3 imo. Harden just did something in game 1, rest of the series he was trash. CP3 actually made clutch buckets when they needed them most. Also, Hardens defence wasn't that bad this playoffs, it was pretty decent.

100% it was unfortunate that CP3 got injured. With him not injured I'd have still had GSW to win at home, but maybe game 7 would've been different.

Only reason why I say that SA vs GSW would've gone to GSW anyway is because of the fact that in the Oracle, GSW hardly ever lose. Yeah they lost against Houston this series but this Rockets side is a better side than that SA side (arguably). But SA wouldn't have dethroned them, let's be real. Like I said this is probably the best and most stacked team we've had for a long time (having 4 all star helps) and to think they'd lose against Kawhi Leonard and Aldridge, nah man. Kerr isn't a bad coach either, he's had got the business done at Oracle and stolen a game away from home.
 
idrizzy said:
It's not misinformation. It's the truth. That Dallas team was actually pretty good and that series should've been tighter imo, probably Miami in 7.

Compare that to this Cavs vs GSW final, you're seriously bonkers if you think Cavs can actually compete with GSW. GSW are probably the best team we've seen for a long time, and are a superteam. Cavs aren't. The names you mentioned lack consistency and can't do anything away from home (as seen in Pacers and Celtics series). Same thing can be said about GSW, with them starting off slow and it's always a 3rd quarter comeback for them, but they have way too much quality, better defenders, better scorers. Yeah, no way Cavs win this championship.

Did you think Cavs had a chance last year too?
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No one gave a chance 2 years ago after trailing 3-1 :jordan
 
AFM said:
No one gave a chance 2 years ago after trailing 3-1 :jordan
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That’s unprecedented. They had Kyrie too and a fit Love. Also no KD but a more well-rounded GSW team which Barnes and Bogut. Todays GSW is just different gravy to that team.

Repeat of last year tbh
 
Disappointed that my Celtics lost at home when it mattered most. LeBron is a beast.

But with Tatum and Brown being so young, and Kyrie back the future is bright for us. Next season!
 
idrizzy said:
It's not misinformation. It's the truth. That Dallas team was actually pretty good and that series should've been tighter imo, probably Miami in 7.

Compare that to this Cavs vs GSW final, you're seriously bonkers if you think Cavs can actually compete with GSW. GSW are probably the best team we've seen for a long time, and are a superteam. Cavs aren't. The names you mentioned lack consistency and can't do anything away from home (as seen in Pacers and Celtics series). Same thing can be said about GSW, with them starting off slow and it's always a 3rd quarter comeback for them, but they have way too much quality, better defenders, better scorers. Yeah, no way Cavs win this championship.

Did you think Cavs had a chance last year too?
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The Dallas team was okay, it massively overachieved and no one expected them to beat the Miami juggernaut at the time. I'd say this series is one ankle injury away from being quite competitive, and if Iguodala stay out too then I think the Cavs can take the series in seven games. At the moment, I agree it is mission impossible for LeBron, but that's literally against the point about the fact that there is no way the Cavs roster is as bad as you were making out to be.
 
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Kevin Love is gonna play ...so yeah Cavs should not have excuse then [MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION]
 
:))

My prediction is bang on so far.

Your team has to be complete trash to lose after a 51 pt performance. Time for Lebron to leave.
 
kingusama92 said:
:))

My prediction is bang on so far.

Your team has to be complete trash to lose after a 51 pt performance. Time for Lebron to leave.
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Dude anyone can make that prediction it's not rocket science. 99% of people expect Warriors to win except die hard Cavs fans.
 
Rayyman said:
Dude anyone can make that prediction it's not rocket science. 99% of people expect Warriors to win except die hard Cavs fans.
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Of course, just look at the Las Vegas odds. :murali

I was talking more about Lebron putting in a GOAT performance, Love doing well, and Lue coaching like Pops. That game was about as close as we'll get yet Warriors sit 1-0.

On a brighter note, JR Smith probably thinks Cavs are up 1-0. :yk
 
kingusama92 said:
Of course, just look at the Las Vegas odds. :murali

I was talking more about Lebron putting in a GOAT performance, Love doing well, and Lue coaching like Pops. That game was about as close as we'll get yet Warriors sit 1-0.

On a brighter note, JR Smith probably thinks Cavs are up 1-0. :yk
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"I thought we were ahead":108:
 
That was the best opportunity for Cavs to win tbh, game was there for the Cavs.
 
You're telling me LBJ wouldn't take OT in game 1?? Course he would. LBJ 51 pts, god damn. But he knows how poo his team is, maybe he should've done more iso plays, and shot better in OT.

Love, 21pts on 20 shots.

53 rebounds for Cavs, 38 for GSW. Rebounding wins rings. They defo should've won today. Outrebounded on the offensive by 15.

I mean, they had that effort plays, but the actual shots. Damn. Awful at shooting. Look at Clarkson. Trash.
 
idrizzy said:
I dunno if you’ve recently started watching basketball so I won’t ridicule you. But here it is:
Yes, LBJ is the best player in the league by a mile.
However, GSW are stacked. In cricketing terms it’s like 1 team having ABDV but the other having Kohli, Root, Smith and Williamson. That is what GSW are.
And ADBV in this instance has the likes of Ishant Sharma and Jade Dermbach as team mates. The only back up ABDV has is Babar Azam but he’s out injured (Kevin Love).

There’s really no contest. LBJ has been carrying 4 pieces of wood all series. Whereas GSW don’t need to get out of first gear to beat the Cavs. This is one of the worst teams to make it to a championship final that I can think of.
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lol. I havent been following the NBA for a few years but I've played basketball since I was a small kid, like many other sports.

Cavs where one shot away from winning the first game away from home. I wont ridicule you but I wont be reading your posts on this subject as you were way off the mark.
 
KingKhanWC said:
lol. I havent been following the NBA for a few years but I've played basketball since I was a small kid, like many other sports.

Cavs where one shot away from winning the first game away from home. I wont ridicule you but I wont be reading your posts on this subject as you were way off the mark.
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When LBJ goes off for 51 pts you're bound to have a close game. Too bad they squandered this golden opportunity.

In history this will just go down as another L, and GSW leading 1-0. It's as you were and GSW in 5.
 
Warriors will win big today last game they had difficulty adjusting to Clevelands style
 
GSW to win by 15+ points, lead by 10 by HT. My prediction.

Hoping for a big performance by LBJ though, want that average to stay 51 pts
 
idrizzy said:
GSW to win by 15+ points, lead by 10 by HT. My prediction.

Hoping for a big performance by LBJ though, want that average to stay 51 pts
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Oof well led by 10+ by HT, well basically as predicted. And won by more than 15, as predicted.

Yeah Cavs played well Game 1 but GSW just showed them why they’re the best team in the league.

GSW in 5
 
Rayyman said:
:O
Curry is the GOAT shooter but that is a lucky shot by every stretch of the imagination.
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With him, I don't even know what's lucky and what isn't. The man has unlimited range.

[utube]XJhqIz8YtjM[/utube]
 
Where do people see LeBron playing next season?

Definitely don't see him with the Cavs.
 
Cavs started well but the Warriors showed their class once again.

Le-Bron again with some great points.
 
Barring injuries, this team is going to three-peat. Doesn't matter where Lebron goes.

They're going to shore up the wing and strengthen the team even more. It was the only spot that seemed to be lacking especially when Iggy went down.

You solidify that spot and this team will jog through the playoffs again.
 
kingusama92 said:
Barring injuries, this team is going to three-peat. Doesn't matter where Lebron goes.

They're going to shore up the wing and strengthen the team even more. It was the only spot that seemed to be lacking especially when Iggy went down.

You solidify that spot and this team will jog through the playoffs again.
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Lol KD, Klay, and even Draymond are great wings.

They need a center.

Actually not really since they won without one.
 
Rayyman said:
Lol KD, Klay, and even Draymond are great wings.

They need a center.

Actually not really since they won without one.
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Javale McGee played very well. I think if Kerr played him in the rockets series he would have neutralized capela
 
Bilal_103 said:
Javale McGee played very well. I think if Kerr played him in the rockets series he would have neutralized capela
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Problem is Javale is BBQ chicken for Harden and CP3 when they switch on the pick and roll and then isolate at the top of the key.
 
Where is LBJ going next year? I hope the Spurs... but most likely going to be either Houston or Philly.
 
Rayyman said:
Lol KD, Klay, and even Draymond are great wings.

They need a center.

Actually not really since they won without one.
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I know what you mean but that's more of an idealistic improvement.

They can't really do better than McGee/Bell/Looney/Zaza at the five spot. Cap space won't let them unless someone takes a major pay cut. Just get rid of 1-2 of them (don't need four bigs) and keep Mcgee + a developing Bell.

That's why a backup wing is their biggest attainable need in my opinion. A secondary two-way option to Iggy as he ages. It became apparent how valuable a defensively responsible wing is when Iggy went down and no one could properly cover for him. You could even see some of the excuses come out when GS went down 3-2.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with their draft pick as well.
 
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Where is LBJ going next year? I hope the Spurs... but most likely going to be either Houston or Philly.
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Spurs (if Kawhi re-signs) or Philly.

Houston is a good option but their depth will get destroyed. They would essentially have to gut their entire roster (Capela, Gordon, Ariza, Tucker) for Lebron. If Lebron does a "sign and trade" deal, Houston is still looking at a massive luxury tax hit that's pretty much a joke and will never get approved by Fertitta (Houston's owner).
 
Kwahi most likely going to 76'ers cause the Spurs do not want another super team to emerge from the West (Lakers) even though Leonard wants to be traded there.
 
Season starts about a week from now.

I'm really excited.

Warriors will win the Playoffs, but the regular season should be exciting.

Kawhi to Toronto, Jimmy to ?, Melo to Houston, DeRozan to SA, Dwight to Washington and IT to Denver.

Also Kyrie and Hayward will be healthy.

I'ma predict these standings:
.West
Warriors 76-6 (+Boogie)
Rockets 59-23 (-Ariza and Luc)
Spurs 52-30 (+DeMar)
Thunder 50-32 (-Melo)
Lakers 49-33 (+LeBron)
Jazz 47-35 (Great defense)
Pelicans 46-36 (+Randle, -Rondo)
Nuggets 45-37 (Got IT)
Suns 43-39 (Ayton + defense + shooting)
Blazers 43-39 (Same as last year)
Wolves 42-40 (KAT is too good)
Mavericks 36-46 (Tough division)
Grizzlies 33-49 (No bench)
Clippers 29-53 (No talent)
Kings 24-58 (All young players)
East
Raptors 57-25 (Best player in East and good chemistry)
Celtics 56-26 (Will be healthy but chemistry issues)
Wizards 50-32 (Very talented)
Sixers 49-33 (No shooting)
Bucks 48-34 (Better coach and added B-Lo)
Pacers 48-34 (Same as last year)
Pistons 42-40 (Healthier)
Magic 39-43 (Athleticism + Defense)
Nets 38-44 (Young players improve)
Heat 34-48 (No star)
Hornets 34-48 (Kemba will be dealt)
Hawks 33-49 (Added J-Lin)
Bulls 29-53 (No defense)
Knicks 25-57 (No Porzingis)
 
What we know:

- The NBA Champions are going to be a team from the West.
- Scratch that, the NBA Champions will be GSW.
- Lebron will carry Lakers into the West Conference finals.
- Toronto and Boston will finish top 2 in the Eastern Conference.
- Toronto will choke in the playoffs. Conference semis or finals.
- Celtics, Pacers, Wizards, Sixers wouldn't finish top 4 in the West so have no realistic chance of winning in the finals.

What we don't know:

- How long before the Lebron Lakers build a super team capable of competing with GSW?
- Will Leonard re-sign with Toronto?
- Will Harden bother with defense?

It's kind of sad how predictable the NBA is nowadays. There's 2-3 super teams out in the West that get trumped by the SUPEREST team of all time. Only person that was able to stop them was a motivated Superman Lebron but he just wants to live in LA now.
 
RickyG said:
What we know:

- The NBA Champions are going to be a team from the West.
- Scratch that, the NBA Champions will be GSW.
- Lebron will carry Lakers into the West Conference finals.
- Toronto and Boston will finish top 2 in the Eastern Conference.
- Toronto will choke in the playoffs. Conference semis or finals.
- Celtics, Pacers, Wizards, Sixers wouldn't finish top 4 in the West so have no realistic chance of winning in the finals.

What we don't know:

- How long before the Lebron Lakers build a super team capable of competing with GSW?
- Will Leonard re-sign with Toronto?
- Will Harden bother with defense?

It's kind of sad how predictable the NBA is nowadays. There's 2-3 super teams out in the West that get trumped by the SUPEREST team of all time. Only person that was able to stop them was a motivated Superman Lebron but he just wants to live in LA now.
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I'm sorry but ur blatantly incorrect on some points here.

It will be very tough for LAL to get to the WCF. They are not even close to Houston. OKC and SAS are better too. LeBron has no help on his team once again. Except this time he is in the better conference.

Toronto won't choke. DeRozan, (their best player) who usually breaks down in the playoffs has been replaced by Kawhi (former Finals MVP and Top 4 player currently). Lowry is usually good deep into the postseason.

You are underrating the Celtics and Wizards here. Celtics finished 2nd last year with their two best players injured. Wizards' best player was injured and he is a Top 15 player, now they add HOFer Dwight who is still really decent and they have a deep bench and a talented team overall.

MVP is wide open this year. That's what's interesting. Kawhi is the favorite, but AD could take it if Pelicans get a Top 4 seed (I have them 3rd).
 
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Rayyman said:
Season starts about a week from now.

I'm really excited.

Warriors will win the Playoffs, but the regular season should be exciting.

Kawhi to Toronto, Jimmy to ?, Melo to Houston, DeRozan to SA, Dwight to Washington and IT to Denver.

Also Kyrie and Hayward will be healthy.

I'ma predict these standings:
.West
Warriors 76-6 (+Boogie)
Rockets 59-23 (-Ariza and Luc)
Spurs 52-30 (+DeMar)
Thunder 50-32 (-Melo)
Lakers 49-33 (+LeBron)
Jazz 47-35 (Great defense)
Pelicans 46-36 (+Randle, -Rondo)
Nuggets 45-37 (Got IT)
Suns 43-39 (Ayton + defense + shooting)
Blazers 43-39 (Same as last year)
Wolves 42-40 (KAT is too good)
Mavericks 36-46 (Tough division)
Grizzlies 33-49 (No bench)
Clippers 29-53 (No talent)
Kings 24-58 (All young players)
East
Raptors 57-25 (Best player in East and good chemistry)
Celtics 56-26 (Will be healthy but chemistry issues)
Wizards 50-32 (Very talented)
Sixers 49-33 (No shooting)
Bucks 48-34 (Better coach and added B-Lo)
Pacers 48-34 (Same as last year)
Pistons 42-40 (Healthier)
Magic 39-43 (Athleticism + Defense)
Nets 38-44 (Young players improve)
Heat 34-48 (No star)
Hornets 34-48 (Kemba will be dealt)
Hawks 33-49 (Added J-Lin)
Bulls 29-53 (No defense)
Knicks 25-57 (No Porzingis)
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Thunder above Lakers? No way! Russ is completely washed out. Russ will play 40 minutes all the time and chase his triple double. Thunder is a hopeless team. No way they will make it to the 4th seed in the West, especially with a LeBron Lakers.
 
alized said:
Thunder above Lakers? No way! Russ is completely washed out. Russ will play 40 minutes all the time and chase his triple double. Thunder is a hopeless team. No way they will make it to the 4th seed in the West, especially with a LeBron Lakers.
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?
Thunder had the 4th seed last year. And they got better getting rid of Melo and adding Schroder.

FYI Lakers have the worst record in the NBA for the past 5 years. LeBron barely got the 4th seed in the East last year. I doubt he'll get it in the West now.
 
Rayyman said:
I'm sorry but ur blatantly incorrect on some points here.

It will be very tough for LAL to get to the WCF. They are not even close to Houston. OKC and SAS are better too. LeBron has no help on his team once again. Except this time he is in the better conference.

Toronto won't choke. DeRozan, (their best player) who usually breaks down in the playoffs has been replaced by Kawhi (former Finals MVP and Top 4 player currently). Lowry is usually good deep into the postseason.

You are underrating the Celtics and Wizards here. Celtics finished 2nd last year with their two best players injured. Wizards' best player was injured and he is a Top 15 player, now they add HOFer Dwight who is still really decent and they have a deep bench and a talented team overall.

MVP is wide open this year. That's what's interesting. Kawhi is the favorite, but AD could take it if Pelicans get a Top 4 seed (I have them 3rd).
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I agree with you about Lebron Lakers not being better than Rockets. On paper, they're not better than OKC or Spurs either. I was exaggerating because of how Lebron has dragged weak teams into the Finals over and over again (Heat notwithstanding). That being said, I would back a Lebron team over OKC and Spurs. Maybe not Rockets though. Also the bigger problem that they'll have is that they'll probably run into GSW in an earlier round of the playoffs.

I am a Raptors fan and this team has yet to instill me with confidence in our playoff runs. An inferior Pacers team gave us a run for our money a few years ago and last year we struggled against Washington. Also, if Leonard doesn't play (injured or not) then Toronto aren't making it deep into the playoffs anyway.

I am not underrating Celtics or Warriors because I would expect both those teams to finish top 2 if Leonard misses a lot of this season. But Warriors genuinely do not stand a chance against GSW or even Rockets for that matter. They couldn't beat Raptors last year with a healthy John Wall. Dwight Howard isn't scaring anyone. Also a deep bench means nothing in the playoffs.

Celtics are a decent bunch but are they better than the Cavs the team that lost to GSW in the finals in 2017? And since then GSW have only gotten better.

You really think Leonard is favorite for MVP? According to whom? SI had Lebron, Giannis, Harden, Durant, and AD all ahead of him. Leonard needs to stay healthy first.
 
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