Netherlands vs Pakistan | 1st ODI | Hazelaarweg, Rotterdam | 16 August, 2022 | Pakistan innings

[Titan24]

Sure it's slow. But come on, we aren't helping ourselves either. Imam literally dead batted here.

I agree. Intent and execution should have been better. Issue with Pak team which I believe is forming up well is that when going and conditions are as per the expectations they do well more often then not however, when there are certain hiccups with regards to the conditions and them struggling in a particular situation then they are not able to push the things in the direction they want to more often.

 

[Nasty Naz]

About time the bats woke up. Maybe they realized it's not a Test match.

 

[NeVerMind]

ARY Digitel showing Pakistani dramas on the UK. So no one broadcasting it in the UK? Can someone please confirm?

 

[Nasty Naz]

Babar has found his timing. 27 runs off the last 2 overs which is probably about the same they scored in the previous 10 before that.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Good running between the wickets. Lot of doubles.

 

[Titan24]

Good running between the wickets. Lot of doubles.

Fitness of both Babar and Fakhar is really good, helps with quick singles and doubles.

 

[Marooned]

Fakhar coming into his groove now.

 

[imshally81]

50 for Babar

 

[Nasty Naz]

Sure seems like massive boundaries.

Fakhar starting to really smash it now. As is Babar. Been an explosive last 5 overs.

 

[imshally81]

Good recovery by Pakistan

 

[Omer2002]

Can anybody explain the rational here.. all of a sudden the intent after 25 overs ..has the pitch changed...the bowlers so why now and not 20 overs ago especially when mohammed wasim so called allrounder is coming at no 9

 

[Nasty Naz]

58 runs in the last 5 overs.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Top edge and six !!!

 

[Marooned]

Lol they thought they had a catch. Instead it flies comfortably for 6.

 

[Titan24]

Can anybody explain the rational here.. all of a sudden the intent after 25 overs ..has the pitch changed...the bowlers so why now and not 20 overs ago especially when mohammed wasim so called allrounder is coming at no 9

Couple of things

- Ball was not coming onto the bat it looked like initially. Batsmen are now set and understand the pace and possibly the pitch has gotten a bit better

- Pak likes setting up a platform at all cost in ODIs, even if its not at full pace. This gives them that extra luxary to go hard in the middle and at the end. Yes bit of a traditional mindset but, Pak has been doing decently in ODIs in recent times so they are not changing it much

 

[Nasty Naz]

It's been an England level onslaught for the last 7-8 overs.

 

[Shaddy86]

Was thinking of taking a road trip to Holland for a match and may be some legal weed but this seems so dull. May be the weed will make up for it.

 

[Omer2002]

Couple of things

- Ball was not coming onto the bat it looked like initially. Batsmen are now set and understand the pace and possibly the pitch has gotten a bit better

- Pak likes setting up a platform at all cost in ODIs, even if its not at full pace. This gives them that extra luxary to go hard in the middle and at the end. Yes bit of a traditional mindset but, Pak has been doing decently in ODIs in recent times so they are not changing it much

Fair points i do agree but i dont agree this is the way forward. Although we have done well in one days recently with this method

 

[shah_1]

Good match for Fakhar to boost his average after last two low key ODI series

 

[Shaddy86]

Our top order batsmen love to play for their averages, which isn't bad under tougher conditions and better oppositions but in such situations as today they could go from ball 1 and set some records.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Fair points i do agree but i dont agree this is the way forward. Although we have done well in one days recently with this method

Generally they haven't batted as slow as they did today in the first 20 overs. Usually, they're about 5 runs an over and around 100 runs after 20 and then step it up with the wickets in hand. Today, they were around 70 odd which is exceptionally low for even then.

Give credit to Netherlands though, they bowled tight and consistent length which always seem to trouble our batsmen.

Great to see them turn it around and going really hard now and they continue to should. I would like to see the middle order batsmen bat a decent amount of overs too.

 

[GreenKhan]

If Babar and Rizwan fail we will not even score 150. How long we have to persist with Imam?

I think your confusing formats. Imam had 7 50s in a row before today .

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

I guess people want Pakistan to score 600 today !

They are not satisfied at all.

 

[Omer2002]

i am still not convinced though.. England nearly made 500!!! i mean we are going for 300.

If i remember correctly netherlands batted well in couple of matches as well.

 

[Nasty Naz]

i am still not convinced though.. England nearly made 500!!! i mean we are going for 300.

If i remember correctly netherlands batted well in couple of matches as well.

Pakistan is not England nor will they ever bat like England. I think people need to accept that fact. No other team bats like England either - they are an exceptional all time batting great unit at the moment.

Pakistan could still get around 350 here.

 

[Shaddy86]

I guess people want Pakistan to score 600 today !

They are not satisfied at all.

Why not? This is a club level opposition. They should go for 600, well not today when your opener wastes 19 balls for 2 runs. But why not just go for it one day and see where it takes you? If I were a coach, I'd tell them to go for 600. It's only 12 runs an over.

 

[Rana]

Come on Fakhar get a double ton today!

 

[Kaddy]

Why not? This is a club level opposition. They should go for 600, well not today when your opener wastes 19 balls for 2 runs. But why not just go for it one day and see where it takes you? If I were a coach, I'd tell them to go for 600. It's only 12 runs an over.

Weed side effect?

 

[Shaddy86]

Weed side effect?

Haha not yet. May be if I'm there on Sunday, I'll be doubling the numbers.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Pakistan struggling to time and find the gaps again.

 

[Marooned]

Babar gone. No century

 

[Omer2002]

babz gone atleast his average is still up there.

 

[Blackbradman]

Babar Gone

 

[Nasty Naz]

Honestly a good thing Babar got out swinging. Middle order needs to bat some meaningful overs too.

 

[Blackbradman]

Last 5 overs: 19 runs, 1 wkts

 

[Marooned]

Rizwan shouldn't be playing @ 4.

What is Agha auditioning for? To be a no. 7? That's crazy, and shows zero planning.

 

[imshally81]

100 for Fakhar

 

[Marooned]

100 for Fakhar. Well done

 

[Nasty Naz]

Century for Fakhar. Great to see.

 

[Titan24]

7th ODI hundred for Zaman. Started of a bit slowly but, accelerated pretty well in the middle.

 

[Rana]

Babar missed out on some easy centuries in the last few games. He could have had his 20 centuries by now

 

[imshally81]

Suicidal running

 

[Marooned]

Stupid stupid stupid run out. Fakhar was looking great.

 

[imshally81]

Is Rizwan responsible?

 

[Nasty Naz]

Darn, Fakhar is run out. That's a disappointing end.

 

[Titan24]

Fair points i do agree but i dont agree this is the way forward. Although we have done well in one days recently with this method

Yes, they have to evolve the method. Intent needs to be better, they have to be more proactive across the formats. That doesn't mean to be reckless but, to be able to punish the bad balls irrespective of the time and situation of the innings. Sometimes situations, conditions and few other things have dictated the approach which should not be the case.

At the same time I believe Pak needs to learn how to be ruthless, if there are 6 bad balls in an over the balanced effort to hit all 6 to the boundary should be there rather than being satisfied with 8-12 runs and seeing off the rest with singles or doubles.

That being said I believe we should keep the fact in mind that despite a decent shape this Pak outfit is far from an experienced one with no player with even 100 ODIs currently.

 

[Titan24]

Is Rizwan responsible?

Fakhar's call as he was going towards the danger end.

Would have made it 9/10 times, it was good piece of fielding and throwing.

 

[javid]

Mohammad Rizwan doesn't fit into this odi team,He simply looks lost, can't bat even at run a ball....I think he should make way for someone else...

 

[Marooned]

Mohammad Rizwan doesn't fit into this odi team,He simply looks lost, can't bat even at run a ball....I think he should make way for someone else...

No need. We will mess up our team big time by dropping him.
He shouldn't bat at 4. Let him bat as a wk bat at 6-7.
He is a great keeper and will do just fine.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Rizwan fails yet again. Getting harder to see how they can continue with Rizwan at #4 long term.

 

[Waleed93]

We can criticise Imam and Fakhar as much as we want, but the reality is that unless one of them doesn't stay on the crease with Babar atleast until the 35th over, we are not getting close to a competitive total.

Today, it's the Netherlands, and with our Top 3 gone, I don't see the rest of the guys reaching a total we should be easily reaching against a side like this.

Against a top side, if Babar, Fakhar and Imam are out at this stage of the game with the same score at the board, we can't expect the likes of Rizwan, Khushdil, Asif and Shadab to use the platform set by the top order and catapult us to 350.

They just don't have that ability, which is the reason why our top 3 not only have to be agressive, but also mindful about the fact that their middle order is almost non-existent.

 

[Nasty Naz]

What? Shadab sent over Salman?

Why even bother playing him if he's not coming up in situation with 10 overs to go? Bizarre.

 

[Titan24]

Rizwan keep getting the starts, intent is good but has been struggling to convert them into any decent scores.

For the sake of Pak he better starts converting those across the formats as currently there is no keeper batsman currently capable enough for the role while being a good keeper. Haris is a top talent but, is not fully developed as of yet.

Maybe time for a change in his batting position to no 5? Sometimes it can do wonders.

 

[Rana]

Below par performance by Fakhar

Yes he scored a ton but he should have scored 170+ after getting himself in. He is a far superior batsman than just getting a ton and getting out against these types of bowling attacks

 

[PakEngFan]

Rizwan experiment at 4 should stop get a proper bat in there. He should be batting at 6 and I am afraid this should be his last chance. Enough.

 

[Marooned]

Is Agha auditioning for the Rellu Katta role????
We don't need that.

What good is a batsmen who comes to bat after Khushdil and Shadab??

We need a player for the Haris Sohail role. If they don't see Agha that way, then why pick him?

Why is the TM soooo thick????

 

[imshally81]

Rizwan is useless at number 4

 

[imshally81]

Shadab seems proper tail ender batsman here

 

[Titan24]

We can criticise Imam and Fakhar as much as we want, but the reality is that unless one of them doesn't stay on the crease with Babar atleast until the 35th over, we are not getting close to a competitive total.

Today, it's the Netherlands, and with our Top 3 gone, I don't see the rest of the guys reaching a total we should be easily reaching against a side like this.

Against a top side, if Babar, Fakhar and Imam are out at this stage of the game with the same score at the board, we can't expect the likes of Rizwan, Khushdil, Asif and Shadab to use the platform set by the top order and catapult us to 350.

They just don't have that ability, which is the reason why our top 3 not only have to be agressive, but also mindful about the fact that their middle order is almost non-existent.

Bilaterals especially against lower ranked teams are the best time to test middle order. Even when they were not trying any new strategy against WI in 3rd ODI Pakistan was 117/5. Shadab scored 86 and 78 and Pak won the match. These situations can arise and team will have to be better prepared.

Its not like they are as talentless with the bat as its being imagined, its just that there is not much experience in the team. In crucial matches of course you would need your top 3 to go as long as they can but, that should not be a desperate effort to do so especially against lower ranked teams. Shaping up your team well in the long run is of more value then trying to face an upset.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

This worst ever batting line up by Pakistan. Khushdil shah should not bat higher than 8 let alone letting him bat @5. Our tail started @5

 

[Nasty Naz]

Thank god Khushdil finally decided to play with some intent.

 

[shah_1]

Rizwan keep getting the starts, intent is good but has been struggling to convert them into any decent scores.

For the sake of Pak he better starts converting those across the formats as currently there is no keeper batsman currently capable enough for the role while being a good keeper. Haris is a top talent but, is not fully developed as of yet.

Maybe time for a change in his batting position to no 5? Sometimes it can do wonders.

Shan needs to come at 4, he is doing well at 3 for Derbyshire

Rizwan is a pathetic ODI batsman

 

[Titan24]

Khushdil takes that initial bit of time to get going. Irrespective he is one of the best hitters we have in Pakistan (His list A stats manifest the same) who on his day can play clutch knocks under pressure as we saw against Aus in 2nd ODI.

One thing I like seeing in players is their growth and development and anyone who has been looking at Khushdil in the last couple of years, he has improved a lot by working on the ability to hit on the offside.

 

[Major]

You guys whine alot.

300 is a good total. Pakistan is not england. A bad performance can lead youto be dropped

 

[shah_1]

I'm certain that Salman picked through phonecall otherwise why he is batting at 8.The captain has no trust in him

 

[Nasty Naz]

Now, Nawaz is sent over Salman.

I am not sure they understand their own players they select & play.

 

[Marooned]

Lulz.

So Salman is basically selected as a 3rd spinner. Pathetic, zero logic management.

They will never build a team.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Great to see Shadab off his batting talent though. He's really improved over the years.

 

[Marooned]

Imo, Haider ali should be given a long run at a fixed position(4) in both white ball formats.

 

[Titan24]

Shan needs to come at 4, he is doing well at 3 for Derbyshire

Rizwan is a pathetic ODI batsman

Rizwan also averages 45 in list A cricket with SR of 88, taking out the ODI struggles his avg would have been around 50 in List A. Far from poor if domestic cricket is anything to go by. So there is no guarantee that Shan coming in would start performing in the middle order. Shan has list A SR of 82 (Yes his range has improved in recent times) and I wont look much into Royal London Cup as all the top country players are playing the hundred. Yes his recent T20 seasons as opener/no 3 have been impressive more often then not and his general increase in range of strokes is pretty good to watch.

If team management looks into Shan for that role I wont mind but, if they are not looking from that angle even against Netherlands I doubt its on the cards.

Kamran Ghulam is one guy who I would like to invest in as well. Has improved and temperament is as solid as you seen in Pak cricket. Can bowl as well.

 

[shah_1]

What a pathetic batting unit this looks minus top 3

 

[Nasty Naz]

What is Nawaz doing out there...

 

[shah_1]

Rizwan also averages 45 in list A cricket with SR of 88, taking out the ODI struggles his avg would have been around 50 in List A. Far from poor if domestic cricket is anything to go by. So there is no guarantee that Shan coming in would start performing in the middle order. Shan has list A SR of 82 (Yes his range has improved in recent times) and I wont look much into Royal London Cup as all the top country players are playing the hundred. Yes his recent T20 seasons as opener/no 3 have been impressive more often then not and his general increase in range of strokes is pretty good to watch.

If team management looks into Shan for that role I wont mind but, if they are not looking from that angle even against Netherlands I doubt its on the cards.

Kamran Ghulam is one guy who I would like to invest in as well. Has improved and temperament is as solid as you seen in Pak cricket. Can bowl as well.

We have a minnow level middle order, we need to change something otherwise this team is going nowhere

 

[Major]

Dumb move to send agha salman this early. Should be sending in the bowlers first than him. Surely naseem shah should come in now

 

[Nasty Naz]

Thankfully Nawaz misery is over. A baffling decision to send him over Salman.

 

[Omer2002]

whats the point of playing tuk tuk all the game saving wickets and when it comes to hitting no body can do it...

 

[shah_1]

Lool Salman

 

[shariqnoor]

It's the Big 3 or bust for Pakistan. It's incredible that they think they can go into an ODI with 3 batsmen. Once the top 3 goes, the rest of the batting falls like a house of cards. Doesn't matter if they're playing against Australia or Netherlands.

 

[Omer2002]

wow that was close first ball...

 

[Nasty Naz]

He's more of a proper batsmen than a slogging batsmen and gets sent up in a situation where it's all slog instead of much earlier when it would have made sense.

Doing better than Nawaz already.