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Virat Kohli will lead India's Test outfit to Australia next month, not only as the world's number-one ranked team but carrying overwhelming expectation of an unprecedented series victory on Australia’s turf.

The upheaval that has vastly altered Australia's playing personnel and on-field aura means India are favoured to end 70 years of failure on the continent where they’ve not won a Test series in 11 previous attempts, stretching back to their first tour against Don Bradman's men in 1947-48.

But a new documentary from award-winning film-maker Peter Dickson reveals that it's not simply faster, bouncier pitches that have hobbled earlier efforts from the cricket-crazy nation whose venerated stars are nurtured on slow, spinning tracks at home.

Perhaps more potently, India touring teams have found travelling to Australia as alien and intimidating as have their arch-opponents when faced with the confounding conditions of the sub-continent.

The fundamental differences in culture and character between two countries so inextricably linked by their passion for cricket is a compelling narrative explored in the two-part series 2 Nations, 1 Obsession that premieres on Fox Cricket next month.

Dickson, whose Forged in Fire documentary recounting of the Ashes legend enjoyed both success and acclaim when aired during last summer's Australia-England battle, travelled to India earlier this year to capture the game’s sub-continental soul.

As well as speak with key figures in the nations' intense recent rivalry.

In addition to Australia legends Allan Border, Adam Gilchrist, Greg Matthews, Craig McDermott, Michael Kasprowicz and Greg Chappell (who coached India after his stellar Test playing career), Dickson also interviews India demi-gods Sunil Gavaskar, Kapil Dev, Bishan Bedi, Ravi Shastri and Dilip Vengsarkar.

Respected cricket commentators and keen cultural observers Mike Coward and Harsha Bhogle also feature in the documentary which, like Forged in Fire, has been released by Cricket Australia Productions as part of their growing slate of cricket feature films.

While the two one-hour episodes of 2 Nations, 1 Obsession focus on key events in Australia-India contests over the past three decades – the 1986 tied Test in Chennai, Australia's epic 2001 defeat and 2004 redemption in India, and the incendiary 2007-08 'Monkeygate' summer – they also take a broader perspective.

"It is a cultural piece," said Dickson, who travelled to India at the height of this year’s IPL tournament when cricket-mania there spikes even higher.

"We've looked to examine the differences in life between the two nations, and then see how that transfers into cricket and, in turn, the central players in that relationship both on and off the field.

"The heart of the story is that relationship.

"It’s headed up by the rivalry which really had its beginning in that tied Test and has grown in strength and passion ever since, and how that evolution has taken place through the past thirty years."

Dickson said his newest cricket venture differs from Forged in Fire – which studied in detail four pivotal Ashes series of the past half a century – in that it delves more deeply into the sociological factors that underpin a rivalry that is as hard-edged as any in world cricket.

It also features stunning vision of India's colourful and chaotic daily life which Dickson admits, at times, lends the documentary the lush look of a tourism promotion.

"If for the visuals alone, I think this is a film that even people who don't identify as hard-core cricket fans will appreciate and enjoy," he told cricket.com.au.

"India is an amazing country that is rising in wealth and influence, and that comes across in the way their approach to cricket has changed.

"Former greats from both countries acknowledge that in years gone by, the Indian teams were too easily bullied.

"But now they’ve found their voices, and the world is hearing them loud and clear."

Nobody exemplifies that combative new Indian spirit more markedly than Kohli, who led his team to a 2-1 win in the fiercely competitive Border-Gavaskar Trophy series in India last year.

And whose defence of that prize begins in the first Domain Test beginning at Adelaide Oval on December 6.

"The cricket rivalry between Australia and India is an incredible one, and it is fantastic to have this film series that brings it to life so vividly, even as we prepare to host them across three formats this summer," CA’s Executive General Manager Broadcasting, Media, Digital and Commercial Ben Amarfio said.

"Teams from both countries have been involved in some of the most exciting contests, gripping moments, and unbelievable performances in world cricket, all of which has made every match between the two nations a meaningful and unmissable event.

"We are excited to be working with Peter on this film to give viewers an in-depth and unique view on the relationship between the two nations and the cricket obsession that binds them."

2 Nations, 1 Obsession is the latest documentary film to be released by Cricket Australia Productions, which has a number of ground-breaking projects currently in production or development, and scheduled for release over coming seasons.

The first instalment of 2 Nations, 1 Obsession will screen on Fox Cricket at 5.20pm on Wednesday, November 21 as a lead-in to Australia's T20 International against India at the Gabba.

The second episode will air the following evening at 8.30pm, with the full documentary also available worldwide via Cricket Australia's international broadcast partners.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/2-n...ket-rivalry-border-gavaskar-trophy/2018-10-12
 
I think it will be whitewash, india stands no chance against aussies. Considering the fact that we couldnt win the match at our own home against this aussie side without hazlewood and pat cummins, aussies will give India a good reality check just like they got from the english. Meanwhile India can attain their top rankings while playing full series against teams like west indies at home lol :uakmal
 
I think it will be whitewash, india stands no chance against aussies. Considering the fact that we couldnt win the match at our own home against this aussie side without hazlewood and pat cummins, aussies will give India a good reality check just like they got from the english. Meanwhile India can attain their top rankings while playing full series against teams like west indies at home lol :uakmal

If India wins the test series against WI 2-0, then they get just 1 rating point. If they win 1-0, then they actually loose 1 rating point.

That's what being ranked number 1 means.

And I wouldn't judge India's chances in Australia based on Pakistan's performance. Pakistan were even whitewashed by SL last year. SL is yet to win a single test match in India.

So yeah, perhaps not the smartest thing by you to predict the performance of the number 1 team based on how the number 7 team is performing.
 
I think it will be whitewash, india stands no chance against aussies. Considering the fact that we couldnt win the match at our own home against this aussie side without hazlewood and pat cummins, aussies will give India a good reality check just like they got from the english. Meanwhile India can attain their top rankings while playing full series against teams like west indies at home lol :uakmal

Consider the fact that you got destroyed by Sri Lanka too (who got treated like a club side against India).

Another point to consider is Pakistan being a borderline minnow in Tests.

How a team performs in UAE isn't taken seriously these days because Pakistan are just that bad.
 
About India's chances, I believe Australia has no shortage of home track bullies, so their batting should be fine in Australia even without Smith and Warner. I foresee a couple of draws and a few hard fought Tests that can go either way.
 
Well just like in England, this is really India’s best chance to win as they have the bowlers. Australia on the other hand is weak.

But I am certain Australia will win.
 
Australian's couldn't care less about this "rivalry".
 
Australian's couldn't care less about this "rivalry".

says a Pakistani. Let the Aussies speak. This documentary also seems to have been organised by an Aussie.

In cricketing terms, it would be their no.2 or no.3 rivalry after the ashes. Depending on the strength of SA and NZ, India would be no.2.
 
says a Pakistani. Let the Aussies speak. This documentary also seems to have been organised by an Aussie.

In cricketing terms, it would be their no.2 or no.3 rivalry after the ashes. Depending on the strength of SA and NZ, India would be no.2.

Yes, it is produced by an Aussie TV channel.
 
says a Pakistani. Let the Aussies speak. This documentary also seems to have been organised by an Aussie.

In cricketing terms, it would be their no.2 or no.3 rivalry after the ashes. Depending on the strength of SA and NZ, India would be no.2.

The Aussie cricket fan does not consider it a 'rivalry'. That obviously doesn't detract from their desire to win.
 
Then why is an Aussie producer creating this documentary?

So if I (or a Nepalese) produced a documentary talking about Australia's cricketing rivalry with Nepal you would accept it?
 
So if I (or a Nepalese) produced a documentary talking about Australia's cricketing rivalry with Nepal you would accept it?

the documentary has been created by an Aussie not an Indian
I don't think any Aussie will produce a documentary talking about Aus rivalry with Nepal
Nepalese can create one since every minnow nation wants to get noticed but don't think any Aussie will give them any importance like they have given to India which some insecure Pakistanis like u are unable to digest
 
the documentary has been created by an Aussie not an Indian
I don't think any Aussie will produce a documentary talking about Aus rivalry with Nepal
Nepalese can create one since every minnow nation wants to get noticed but don't think any Aussie will give them any importance like they have given to India which some insecure Pakistanis like u are unable to digest

Did I say it was produced by an Indian?

Kindly read my posts and engage constructively, rather than throwing insults like an oversensitive baby.

All I said was the average Aussie cricket fan does not consider it a 'rivalry' (in the sense there is a rivalry vs England etc). Nowhere have I said:

a) Australia won't want to win
b) It will be a poor series
c) Indians don't consider it a rivalry

Again, if an Aussie produces a documentary talking about Aus rivalry with Nepal cricket you would accept it as fact?

There is a very obvious reason as to why it is being hyped and it has nothing to do with some "rivalry." I would say there are only three countries Australia have an actual cricketing rivalry with, anything beyond that and you might as well have a rivalry with everyone.
 
There is no rivalry.

Aussies consider England and South Africa as rivals, even the Kiwis in recent years.

But not even 5% of Aussie cricket fans would be able to name a single Indian Test player other than Virat Kohli.
 
Ouch an Australian accepting a rivalry and actually making a documentary about it must have increased burnol stock prices
 
Australian's couldn't care less about this "rivalry".

Are you a resident of Australia? Any source from where you got this news?

The Border-Gavaskar Trophy is the 3rd oldest tradition in bilateral test cricket in Australia after the Ashes and the Frank Worrell Trophy.

Frank Worrell Trophy has obviously lost its significance since the turn of the century due to the WI's decline in test cricket. That makes Border-Gavaskar the 2nd biggest event in Australia's test calender after the Ashes.

Not for nothing did Steve Waugh call India the "final frontier".
 
Okay its not a rivalry. Now that its been accepted its not a rivalry, please those who had a heartburn can relax now and go back to doing what they were engaged in. Meanwhile those interested in so called "rivalry" can enjoy this documentary.
 
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There is no rivalry.

Aussies consider England and South Africa as rivals, even the Kiwis in recent years.

But not even 5% of Aussie cricket fans would be able to name a single Indian Test player other than Virat Kohli.

5% is too high a number, tbh I think less than 1% of aussie cricket fans know anyone other than virat kohli in the indian cricket team.
 
Let’s be quite clear as to what this documentary actually is.

A deal has been done between Cricket Australia, free-to-Air Channel 7 and subscription-only Fox TV.

The entire Australian population can watch Tests on Channel 7 for free.

ODI and T20i Cricket is no longer to be shown on free-to-Air TV, with Fox TV exclusively broadcasting it to its subscribers. (My Foxtel monthly subscription is over $200 per month, which is why no Fox cricket broadcast has ever achieved a viewing figure of even 5% of the TV audience ever.)

Fox TV will show all Australia home cricket matches on its new dedicated channel Fox Cricket. This even includes Test matches, although it expects Channel 7 to have roughly 600,000 viewers for its Test coverage, while Fox Cricket’s simultaneous broadcast is unlikely to even reach 50,000 viewers.

Viewing figures for the Indian tour are expected to be the worst since at least 2014-15. This is because India has refused to play any Day-Night Tests (whereas for example in 2016-17 South Africa played one in Adelaide and Pakistan also played one at Brisbane). This means that the Perth Test will be the only one played in Prime Time on TV. (After India leaves, Sri Lanka will play a Day-Night Test at Brisbane.)

The documentary mentioned in this thread is a low-budget documentary produced by Cricket Australia to market its struggling product - the unpopular Australia v India series.

In Australia this show has been purchased only by the Fox Cricket Channel. This means that it is essentially a space filler which will act as a paid advertisement for Fox Cricket’s coverage of the India tour. As such, it will be seen only by Fox Cricket subscribers and so will reach a minuscule audience.
 
Langer: "The Indian Test tour in about three of four years' time, to me that's the ultimate because we will judge ourselves on whether or not we're a great cricket team if we beat India in India. I look back on my career and the Mt Everest moment was 2004 when we finally beat India in India."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/top...lia-coach-hippy-nightclub-brothers/2018-05-03

This puts us in a tough spot. Should we listen to a nobody like Langer, or people like [MENTION=142670]mak36[/MENTION] and [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]?
 
Langer: "The Indian Test tour in about three of four years' time, to me that's the ultimate because we will judge ourselves on whether or not we're a great cricket team if we beat India in India. I look back on my career and the Mt Everest moment was 2004 when we finally beat India in India."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/top...lia-coach-hippy-nightclub-brothers/2018-05-03

This puts us in a tough spot. Should we listen to a nobody like Langer, or people like [MENTION=142670]mak36[/MENTION] and [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]?
Nobody disputes this.

Winning in Indian conditions has been the Final Frontier for modern Australian teams, due to the adaptation of technique required. (Unlike for England, who won their Test series in India in 1976-77, 1984-85 and 2013-14).

But that doesn’t make it a rivalry. It just means conditions are very different home and away.

The bottom line is that this documentary was commissioned by Cricket Australia as an advertisement to try to market an unpopular series which at the insistence of the BCCI will be broadcast mainly when its would-be viewers will be at work.
 
From 1995 to 2008 the India-Australia rivalry was the greatest thing in cricket, now it is mostly meh.

1998, 2001, 2004, 2008 series in India had such high quality cricket that I can't see modern teams producing that sort of contest. The final frontier saga and the legendary Australian team's obsession to win in India for the 1st time in over 3 decades was like a grand epic. Also Warne's single minded obsession to make dents in Fab 5, stuff of legend.

Similarly India's tours to Australia in 2003 and 2007 were super fun with lots of controversy. We could have won either of those but didn't and that hurts.

No team stood up to that great Australian team like India, perhaps the only parallel can be Pak against WI in the late 80s but even that tussle didn't span the length of time like India-Australia.
 
Nobody disputes this.

Winning in Indian conditions has been the Final Frontier for modern Australian teams, due to the adaptation of technique required. (Unlike for England, who won their Test series in India in 1976-77, 1984-85 and 2013-14).

But that doesn’t make it a rivalry. It just means conditions are very different home and away.

The bottom line is that this documentary was commissioned by Cricket Australia as an advertisement to try to market an unpopular series which at the insistence of the BCCI will be broadcast mainly when its would-be viewers will be at work.

Couldn't agree more. A marketing gimmick. They really would have hoped for an Ashes series rather than India series to actually maximize viewership. This is no different than "Aane Do", "England ka bajega band", "Mauka mauka" etc. India has audience which caters to jingoism so Start sports made those ads.

Having said that, don't think cricket is a top sport in Australia. So, forget India, I would assume most Aussies would struggle to name all 11 from the Aus team which played the first test in UAE!
 
Nobody disputes this.

Winning in Indian conditions has been the Final Frontier for modern Australian teams, due to the adaptation of technique required. (Unlike for England, who won their Test series in India in 1976-77, 1984-85 and 2013-14).

But that doesn’t make it a rivalry. It just means conditions are very different home and away.

The bottom line is that this documentary was commissioned by Cricket Australia as an advertisement to try to market an unpopular series which at the insistence of the BCCI will be broadcast mainly when its would-be viewers will be at work.

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I am tired of this unnecessary marketing. Same crap before England series and see the result.

Shastri even making crazy statements like we are the best traveling team ever. All hype no substance

Australia should win plain and simple. I don't think Kohli or Shastri have a clue why they lost in England. They will again do the same trial and error in australia. After the first lost match, Kohli will again go to the press conference angry at somebody - no clue who
 
There is a rivalry, and it will only get more intense with time.

The reasons are simple:

1) Australian sportsmen are super competitive and do not accept being second best. The competition in the future for the #1 spot will inevitably be between Australians and Indians. English cricket like English football is on its way down, and will not be able to compete regularly with the Aussies. South Africans can't either due to their quotas. That leaves only India.

2) Big money in cricket in the future will be in India, so the best Australian players will be playing in the IPL every year. This will give Indian cricket more exposure to Australians.
 
There is no rivalry.

Aussies consider England and South Africa as rivals, even the Kiwis in recent years.

But not even 5% of Aussie cricket fans would be able to name a single Indian Test player other than Virat Kohli.

Indians are desperate to prove there is a rivalry despite Aussies not even being a good team these days. I could say why, and we all know the real reason, but some people are too sensitive so we shall just have to leave it unsaid.
 
There is no rivalry.

Aussies consider England and South Africa as rivals, even the Kiwis in recent years.

But not even 5% of Aussie cricket fans would be able to name a single Indian Test player other than Virat Kohli.

Pretty sure most of the Aussie fans wont be able to name many current Aussie cricketers either :))
 
I don't think there is any rivalry. Neither Indian nor the Aussies for the most part, even think about the other team, unless there is an ongoing series.

The Australians probably think about cricket only in the summer. They have plenty of other sports to occupy them at other times. The Indians are more IPL focused combined with whatever internationals the Indian team is playing at a given time.

I would venture to say that most fans on both sides could not name more than 4-5 players combined from both teams. Of course two of three that most will name are currently serving a ban and not even in the team, owing to their sandpaper fetish.
 
Aussies and Indians accepting its a great rivalry besides ashes but pakistanis having sour grapes lol
 
Our fans are so bitter it's unbelievable. Australia's main rivals aren't India but a rivalry between India and Australia certainly exists.
 
This thread is so funny. Pakistanis saying there is no rivalry and Indians saying there is a rivalry

Aussies are just quite :)) :))
 
There is a rivalry, and it will only get more intense with time.

The reasons are simple:

1) Australian sportsmen are super competitive and do not accept being second best. The competition in the future for the #1 spot will inevitably be between Australians and Indians. English cricket like English football is on its way down, and will not be able to compete regularly with the Aussies. South Africans can't either due to their quotas. That leaves only India.

2) Big money in cricket in the future will be in India, so the best Australian players will be playing in the IPL every year. This will give Indian cricket more exposure to Australians.
There is no rivalry, from what I've seen they don't like a lot of Indian players because of politics and whinging, but they don't really see India as rivals. I'd say England and SA are their main rivals.
 
The only rivalry Australia has is the Ashes, which is part of their national culture, not just sport. Average Australians don't care about any other rivalry.
 
There is no rivalry, from what I've seen they don't like a lot of Indian players because of politics and whinging, but they don't really see India as rivals. I'd say England and SA are their main rivals.

If one thing I know for sure about Australian cricketers is that they don't like being #2. And the competitor for the #1 position isn't England, it is India.

And India is going to remain a competitor for the #1 position for the rest of the century and beyond, so the rivalry is sure to grow.

ACB will also try to promote the rivalry (as this documentary shows) because it knows it is going to make a huge amount of money from it.
 
If one thing I know for sure about Australian cricketers is that they don't like being #2. And the competitor for the #1 position isn't England, it is India.

And India is going to remain a competitor for the #1 position for the rest of the century and beyond, so the rivalry is sure to grow.

ACB will also try to promote the rivalry (as this documentary shows) because it knows it is going to make a huge amount of money from it.

But it's not likely to work. Ashes is much more than sports rivalry to Australians. It's a symbol of their 250 years of relations with England, their mother country. No amount of promotion will make Aus-Ind rivalry more popular, since the context is beyond sports. Australia has barely anything common with India. Culture influences sports rivalry more than money and promotion.
 
Lots of Indians in Australia and they will throng the stadiums. The viewership will be huge in India where it matters money wise.
 
But it's not likely to work. Ashes is much more than sports rivalry to Australians. It's a symbol of their 250 years of relations with England, their mother country. No amount of promotion will make Aus-Ind rivalry more popular, since the context is beyond sports. Australia has barely anything common with India. Culture influences sports rivalry more than money and promotion.

I am not saying that the Aus-Ind rivalry will become greater than the Ashes. All I said was that we can expect this rivalry to grow.

Obviously there is a cultural and historical aspect to the Ashes rivalry that cannot be rivaled by Aus-Ind. However, for a rivalry to continue, the results have to be somewhat balanced. If Australia dominates England for long stretches of time, fans will begin to lose interest.

I just believe that India and Australia are going to be the two strongest teams going into the future, and there is an automatic rivalry between the two strongest teams.
 
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The producer of this doco also produced the doco about Australia - West Indies called Fire in Babylon if any of you people havent seen it I suggest you should watch it.
 
Indians are desperate to prove there is a rivalry despite Aussies not even being a good team these days. I could say why, and we all know the real reason, but some people are too sensitive so we shall just have to leave it unsaid.

Pakistanis are desperate to prove that there isn't a rivalry.

CA made the documentary but our padosis are like "No! Aussies don't know what they want! Only Pakistanis know what Australia wants!"

I think we all know the reason why. But some people are too insecure about their relevance (or lack thereof) on the global stage. So we shall just have to leave it unsaid.
 
Yes, cricket is only a summer sport in Australia, we have a lot of sports here but yet we sell out stadiums, we are truly a sporting nation.

We compete with the best in the world as almost every sport, and we always finish in the top 6, for such a small country population wise we compete and are competitive.

AFL (Australian Football League) is the main winter sport in the eastern states like Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth and Rugby is the main winter sport in Sydney, Queensland etc.

The AFL grand final was a few weeks ago the crowd at the MCG was 100k for a game of football.

 
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Even if test cricket dies in all other countries, it will survive in Aus Eng Ind.
 
Should be promoting India-Bangladesh rivalry,This contest has given some of the most exciting matches in recent times
 
I don't see Test cricket dying in India, England and Australia. There's always some kind of excitement when these countries play.
 
I am not saying that the Aus-Ind rivalry will become greater than the Ashes. All I said was that we can expect this rivalry to grow.

Obviously there is a cultural and historical aspect to the Ashes rivalry that cannot be rivaled by Aus-Ind. However, for a rivalry to continue, the results have to be somewhat balanced. If Australia dominates England for long stretches of time, fans will begin to lose interest.

I just believe that India and Australia are going to be the two strongest teams going into the future, and there is an automatic rivalry between the two strongest teams.

Why would it grow? India and Australia have been playing each other for a long time now. If it had to grow, it would have grown by now. Not even Sachin-Warne/McGrath clashes were enough to create any rivalry. Cricket is already saturated in India, there's no room for new rivalry, especially for international teams. Only way it can grow if relation between Australia and India gets worse, which will fuel nationalism and spill over to sports.
 
Why would it grow? India and Australia have been playing each other for a long time now. If it had to grow, it would have grown by now. Not even Sachin-Warne/McGrath clashes were enough to create any rivalry. Cricket is already saturated in India, there's no room for new rivalry, especially for international teams. Only way it can grow if relation between Australia and India gets worse, which will fuel nationalism and spill over to sports.

I believe that with the spread of cricket to smaller towns, and increased professionalism, the Indian team of the future is going to be stronger than those of the past. Also, IPL loves Australian cricketers and the love is reciprocated (if only due to the riches it bestows). Just my opinion, we can come back to this thread ten years from now and see who turned out to be right.
 
I believe that with the spread of cricket to smaller towns, and increased professionalism, the Indian team of the future is going to be stronger than those of the past. Also, IPL loves Australian cricketers and the love is reciprocated (if only due to the riches it bestows). Just my opinion, we can come back to this thread ten years from now and see who turned out to be right.

Cricket's popularity in India itself is declining. Don't mistake it with growth of revenue (revenue increases as per capita income increases). Cricket's net viewer rate has been steadily declining for past 5 years. So I don't really see anything happening.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...sports-making-a-mark/articleshow/46981206.cms

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...er-sport-for-advertisers-in-india-982203.html

https://www.newslaundry.com/2017/09/06/cricket-icc-ipl-barc-decline

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Bu...r-and-Hollywood-gain-on-cricket-and-Bollywood

Are Australian cricketers even popular in India anymore? Apart from Smith, Warner and maybe Starc? In the past Indians could name at least 6-7 Australian cricketers. As for Australia, I don't think vast majority knows the name of any Indian player except Kohli.
 
Cricket's popularity in India itself is declining. Don't mistake it with growth of revenue (revenue increases as per capita income increases). Cricket's net viewer rate has been steadily declining for past 5 years. So I don't really see anything happening.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...sports-making-a-mark/articleshow/46981206.cms

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...er-sport-for-advertisers-in-india-982203.html

https://www.newslaundry.com/2017/09/06/cricket-icc-ipl-barc-decline

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Bu...r-and-Hollywood-gain-on-cricket-and-Bollywood

Are Australian cricketers even popular in India anymore? Apart from Smith, Warner and maybe Starc? In the past Indians could name at least 6-7 Australian cricketers. As for Australia, I don't think vast majority knows the name of any Indian player except Kohli.

Interesting articles, thanks for sharing.

I think the viewership per match is probably declining as there are more games being played. Total number of views (number of games x average viewership) is probably not falling. And more importantly, the money in the game keeps increasing.

Football is football, nothing can compete with it. The Nikkei article says "It is no longer uncommon to find schools that offer soccer as an after-school activity rather than cricket." If I remember right, football has always been the most played sport in India.

Other sports will continue to grow, but as long as cricket is the only sport where India is among the top teams, it will have a huge following. I do not see India becoming a top ranked football team anytime soon, though would love to be proven wrong.
 
Interesting articles, thanks for sharing.

I think the viewership per match is probably declining as there are more games being played. Total number of views (number of games x average viewership) is probably not falling. And more importantly, the money in the game keeps increasing.

Football is football, nothing can compete with it. The Nikkei article says "It is no longer uncommon to find schools that offer soccer as an after-school activity rather than cricket." If I remember right, football has always been the most played sport in India.

Other sports will continue to grow, but as long as cricket is the only sport where India is among the top teams, it will have a huge following. I do not see India becoming a top ranked football team anytime soon, though would love to be proven wrong.

You're welcome. In 20 years, I think cricket will remain popular in India but not as a religion, it will be what soccer is in England now.
 
Its a documentary produced by an Aussie channel and coming to the rivalry any international series is important because national pride is involved and especially between top teams but I its funny wathing Pakistanis trying to say its not a rivalry when this has nothing to do with them.
 
Its a documentary produced by an Aussie channel and coming to the rivalry any international series is important because national pride is involved and especially between top teams but I its funny wathing Pakistanis trying to say its not a rivalry when this has nothing to do with them.
No, it’s not.

It’s a documentary commissioned by Cricket Australia to market an unpopular series.

And it has been taken up only by the subscription cable channel that will broadcast the series. As a free advert.
 
So let me understand, an Australian wrote about Ind-Aust cricket rivalry and Pakistanis getting riled up? :))

Well, we all know Ian Chapel's view on Pak cricket , so its obvious no one in Australia considers Pakistan as worthy rivals :))
 
No idea why some users are upset, Steve Waugh considered India the final frontier and Justin Langer recently said that series win in India is his ultimate goal as coach.
 
So let me understand, an Australian wrote about Ind-Aust cricket rivalry and Pakistanis getting riled up? :))

Well, we all know Ian Chapel's view on Pak cricket , so its obvious no one in Australia considers Pakistan as worthy rivals :))

Lol so thats why many of their pundits are considering this recent draw in the UAE as one of the greatest performances away from home by the Australian side. Its not as if they were clearly playing against Bangladesh in Dhaka
 
Lol so thats why many of their pundits are considering this recent draw in the UAE as one of the greatest performances away from home by the Australian side. Its not as if they were clearly playing against Bangladesh in Dhaka

With their main team ripped apart, atrocious record in Asia, chasing 450 plus in the 4th innings with couple of dodgy players against spin, they would declare a national holiday even if it was against Myanmar .
 
No, it’s not.

It’s a documentary commissioned by Cricket Australia to market an unpopular series.

And it has been taken up only by the subscription cable channel that will broadcast the series. As a free advert.

Unpopular series ??? 😂😂😂
 
Damn, so many insecured people out here both Indians and Pakistanis, as if they need Australians approval to decide their own intensity for the games.

Indian fans need to understand that Indian team status of high class rivals comes from its so called rich rockstar status and not because of their performances abroad, so there is nothing to be proud of.

Likewise, Pakistanis need to understand that Indians are supposed to be better rivals than Pakistan simply because in the recent past Indian team is pretty ruthless at home, unlike Pakistan team that produces boring performances in UAE.

Fact is both India and Pakistan should be ashamed of it's performances in Australia. What's the point of having so called best bowling line ups and best batting lineups, if u can't win a test series after so many tours.
 
Let me just put some retrospect in this supposed rivalry between the Aussies and the Indians, which does exist although my views in regards to it are personal and I could be wrong...

So Ive been following this Indian side since 2003 and more closely ever since the 2004 series in Pakistan. Im not sure if it was that winter in which India toured Australia and gave one of their most impressive away performances especially considering the calibre of the then Australian side. My impression was that the sub continent sides, mainly the more vocal of the two being India and Pakistan had always given you the vibes that the ICC (which was very much controlled by the ACB at the time) didnt favour the Asian sides of the past and until now, and the Australians tended to get away with a lot more than others would. Australia were a juggernaut on the field in strength be it playing quality or psychological dominion upon its opponent, and this was also backed up by a strong set up in their administration which could proudly flex its muscles due to the results their country was delivering on the field. In other words, Australians were pretty much a monster side and facing them was a daunting experience be it home or away. Quite often they would pulverise a side or an individual as a pack of wolves and a machine that wouldn't settle for a draw or a loss, they were pretty much ruthless in all aspects of the game.

So, it was around this time that India was emerging by realising its potential as one of the powerhouses of world cricket. They had an outstanding World cup 2003 campaign. Prior to this, they realised the importance of a captain that knew how to take the game back to the opponent, the famous incident of Ganguly waving his shirt on the Lord's balcony could be considered as the first occasion in which Indian cricket was all set to rival and match anyone through an aggressive approach and a signal of intent, willingness to stand up for the battle. India went on to beat a strong Pakistan side away from home in both Tests and ODIs, they were on a high and now it was their time to go and take the bull by the horns.

So now that the platform was set, India worked considerably hard to try and match the powerful Aussies. The 2007 series should have been a draw to say the least as Australia were still enjoying the perks of cricket domination, albeit in the last few stages of it as the baton was soon to be passed over to the new emerging force that was India. India are not simply strong and powerful as a cricketing nation because of IPL money and getting their way in the ICC, rather it is mainly due to their efforts in standing up and being counted at a time when it was Australia that dominated each and everything on the field and to quite an extent off the field.

This is why the rivalry is of great importance to the Indians and so it should be, they have earned their supremacy in cricket through hard work and dedication, it came at the expense of slaying a vicious lion (Australia).
 
With their main team ripped apart, atrocious record in Asia, chasing 450 plus in the 4th innings with couple of dodgy players against spin, they would declare a national holiday even if it was against Myanmar .

see now you are being irrational
 
Damn, so many insecured people out here both Indians and Pakistanis, as if they need Australians approval to decide their own intensity for the games.

Indian fans need to understand that Indian team status of high class rivals comes from its so called rich rockstar status and not because of their performances abroad, so there is nothing to be proud of.

Likewise, Pakistanis need to understand that Indians are supposed to be better rivals than Pakistan simply because in the recent past Indian team is pretty ruthless at home, unlike Pakistan team that produces boring performances in UAE.

Fact is both India and Pakistan should be ashamed of it's performances in Australia. What's the point of having so called best bowling line ups and best batting lineups, if u can't win a test series after so many tours.

No. There is heaven and hell difference between India's performance in Australia and Pakistan's performance there. In this millennium, India has been the strongest touring side to Australia after SA. Pakistan, on the other hand has 4 back-to-back series whitewashes. You were partially correct, though. Pakistan should be ashamed of their performance there.
 
Lol so thats why many of their pundits are considering this recent draw in the UAE as one of the greatest performances away from home by the Australian side. Its not as if they were clearly playing against Bangladesh in Dhaka

It was a great performance from the point of view that Aussies able to draw the game from a certain defeat situation. Aussies are very poor in Asia and lost everywhere in Ind, SL BD etc. So drawing a test match from a nearly impossible situation is a great feat and hence pundits are talking about it. Its not bcoz the opposition is Pakistan. Pak has never manage to even draw a test match in Aust since 1996. So considering Pak as a major rival is the last thought of any Aussie's mind. And hence Ian Chappel was a vocal critic of visiting Pak sides.

Ind-Aust on the other hand had some fiesty series throughout last couple of decades and hence the rivalry. India stopped Steve Waugh's team winning jaggernaut in 2002. The epic Sehwag knock in the boxing day test match of 2003. Some tremendous all round cricket by India in both 2003 and 2007 series. Ponting- Ishant battle, Bhajji- Symonds controversy, Steve Bucknor fiasco, Smith -Ishant battle, the DRS review contriversyetc etc. Its no wonder, Aussies considers India as their biggest rival after England. Likes of Ponting, Langer etc. all on record have said winning a series in India is the final frontier. And the OP is not a claim by some random Indian poster but an Aussie journalist wrote the same about it

I know it burns for few but its a fact.
 
What a shame people have derailed this thread by name calling and/or bringing Pakistan into the discussion, rather than engage with what was actually said: the average Aussie fan does consider it a 'rivalry.' @Junaids has already explained this is a marketing tool by Cricket Australia.

There are a few other points to make:

1) Sporting Culture

People need to realise that sports are an ingrained part of Aussie culture. Sports and national identity go hand in hand. Realise I said sports and not just cricket. The average Aussie will consider their rivals as England, SA and NZ. A big part of that is the wider sporting history, particularly in regards to rugby. That history feeds into the cricketing rivalry. As a result, the casual cricket fan in Australia will only really consider it a 'rivalry' with these three teams. That it no way means they won't want Australia to win, but if that is the definition of a 'rivalry' then you render the word obsolete.

2) Context

This is Australia's first home series since the ball tampering scandal. They desperately need the locals to restore their faith in the national team: for pride and for financial reasons. This documentary is an attempt to try and engage with their fans. The fact this is a weakened Australia team makes it all the more important the series is hyped and promoted to get people through the door (which is made all the more difficult by BCCI's refusal to play a day night match).
 
What a shame people have derailed this thread by name calling and/or bringing Pakistan into the discussion, rather than engage with what was actually said: the average Aussie fan does consider it a 'rivalry.' @Junaids has already explained this is a marketing tool by Cricket Australia.

There are a few other points to make:

1) Sporting Culture

People need to realise that sports are an ingrained part of Aussie culture. Sports and national identity go hand in hand. Realise I said sports and not just cricket. The average Aussie will consider their rivals as England, SA and NZ. A big part of that is the wider sporting history, particularly in regards to rugby. That history feeds into the cricketing rivalry. As a result, the casual cricket fan in Australia will only really consider it a 'rivalry' with these three teams. That it no way means they won't want Australia to win, but if that is the definition of a 'rivalry' then you render the word obsolete.

2) Context

This is Australia's first home series since the ball tampering scandal. They desperately need the locals to restore their faith in the national team: for pride and for financial reasons. This documentary is an attempt to try and engage with their fans. The fact this is a weakened Australia team makes it all the more important the series is hyped and promoted to get people through the door (which is made all the more difficult by BCCI's refusal to play a day night match).

Who is JunaidS and why should we take his words like a writing on the wall? Where is the proof that avg Aussie fans dont consider it as rivalry? Have you ever visiter cricket.au facebook page?

The reason people having a go at Pak posters because their burn is aparent to see by everyone. They are downright denying a claim made by an Aussie himself :))
 
Who is JunaidS and why should we take his words like a writing on the wall? Where is the proof that avg Aussie fans dont consider it as rivalry? Have you ever visiter cricket.au facebook page?

The reason people having a go at Pak posters because their burn is aparent to see by everyone. They are downright denying a claim made by an Aussie himself :))

Ad hominem attacks don't prove anything. Attack the argument not the person.

Repeating yourself again and again doesn't make it true.

One Aussie saying it doesn't make it true. Otherwise, if an Aussie claimed Nepal was their rival you would accept it then? Truth is independent of nationality.
 
Ad hominem attacks don't prove anything. Attack the argument not the person.

Repeating yourself again and again doesn't make it true.

One Aussie saying it doesn't make it true. Otherwise, if an Aussie claimed Nepal was their rival you would accept it then? Truth is independent of nationality.

What ad hominem? Agree one Aussie saying dosen't make it true but yet you are going by JunaidS that no one in Aust considers this rivalry. No Aussie will ever claim Nepal as their rival...so stop derailing the topic. Thats pure ad hominem arguement.
 
Don’t know about rivalry but there seems to be a genuine dislike btw fans and both teams in general.

That whole Harbhajan chapter and biased umpiring where Indian team threaten to quit may have to do with that. Although the controversy goes as far back as Australia’s tour to India in 1960s.
 
What ad hominem? Agree one Aussie saying dosen't make it true but yet you are going by JunaidS that no one in Aust considers this rivalry. No Aussie will ever claim Nepal as their rival...so stop derailing the topic. Thats pure ad hominem arguement.

Finally you concede you were wrong to suggest the fact one Aussie said it means it must be true.

Please read my posts carefully before commenting. I said the average Aussie cricket fan does not consider it a rivalry, (certainly not one of the level of a series vs England, SA and NZ). If Junaids has said something else take it up with him.

I would kindly ask you google 'ad hominem' as your post (twice) suggests you are unfamiliar with its meaning.

All in all, this is getting rather tedious and in the absence of anyone engaging with the substance of what I have said I will say no more. It is for others to decide if they agree or disagree.
 
Finally you concede you were wrong to suggest the fact one Aussie said it means it must be true.

Please read my posts carefully before commenting. I said the average Aussie cricket fan does not consider it a rivalry, (certainly not one of the level of a series vs England, SA and NZ). If Junaids has said something else take it up with him.

I would kindly ask you google 'ad hominem' as your post (twice) suggests you are unfamiliar with its meaning.

All in all, this is getting rather tedious and in the absence of anyone engaging with the substance of what I have said I will say no more. It is for others to decide if they agree or disagree.

But my question is how you, being a Pakistani fan know that avg Australian fans dont consider India as a rivalry? Have you done any survey or something to confirm what general Aussie fans think?
 
Finally you concede you were wrong to suggest the fact one Aussie said it means it must be true.

Please read my posts carefully before commenting. I said the average Aussie cricket fan does not consider it a rivalry, (certainly not one of the level of a series vs England, SA and NZ). If Junaids has said something else take it up with him.

I would kindly ask you google 'ad hominem' as your post (twice) suggests you are unfamiliar with its meaning.

All in all, this is getting rather tedious and in the absence of anyone engaging with the substance of what I have said I will say no more. It is for others to decide if they agree or disagree.

Show your data. If not, then make it clear that that is what you "think". That it is just your opinion which is based on absolutely nothing. Right now you're passing this statement as if it's a fact.
 
But my question is how you, being a Pakistani fan know that avg Australian fans dont consider India as a rivalry? Have you done any survey or something to confirm what general Aussie fans think?

They know everything, bro. Thanks to particular fans who keep track of everything cricket is still alive. Otherwise people would have forgotten about cricket after the 50s.
 
Show your data. If not, then make it clear that that is what you "think". That it is just your opinion which is based on absolutely nothing. Right now you're passing this statement as if it's a fact.

Like why are you so adamant to prove that they care about this rivalry? Calm down mate, what difference does it make if they do or they do not consider India a rival. Jeez
 
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