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New Zealand [239/8] hold their nerve to defeat India [221/10], book place in 2019 World Cup final

I have to say it was one of the best semi finals i have watched. South Africa vs New Zealand in 2015 is still the second best after Aus vs Saf
 
Good to see Kiwis win. They are the team I wanted to see lift the trophy after Pakistan. (Since BD and AFG don't have a chance).

Conditions suit them in ENG better than all of the visiting teams and this will be their best opportunity for a while.

High character team and they deserve a maiden WC win if they put in a good performance in the Final.

Also, good to see India lose. :ssa
 
Just an observation, rohit on the balcony seemed more like the captain of india, giving encouragement to jadeja , then kohli, who was hidden in the dressing room!!
 
Have to give credit to jadeja, he play a wonderful innings, hit some real beautiful 6s, very unlucky not be on the winning side!

Indian fans - are jadeja and ashwin not better than kuldeep and chahal?
 
Seems to be an exceptional match (only listened to a bit of on radio).

New Zealand beat India in the second semi in a row right?

Kohli and co fail to hold their nerve...again.

NZ hold theirs to reach yet another final...they have had so much consistency since the Baz era, can they actually win the big one?
 
Henry buries Old Trafford demons with match-winning spell to book New Zealand’s World Cup final spot

Sometimes the scene of your biggest disappointment really is the setting for your greatest triumph.

The last time Matt Henry played at Old Trafford against West Indies he finished with figures of 1/76

In the semi-final he ripped through the Indian top order to put New Zealand on course for the World Cup final

Sometimes the scene of your biggest disappointment really is the setting for your greatest triumph.
It is 18 days since Matt Henry was carted to all corners of Old Trafford by a combination of Chris Gayle and Carlos Brathwaite, as the West Indies came within inches of an improbable win.
As his team-mates celebrated their ultimately dramatic victory, he looked as though he wanted to be half a world away, back home in Christchurch and a million miles from a cricket field.
There were immediate calls for a new approach, with Henry’s figures to forget, 1/76 off nine, including a horror 25 off his last over. It prompted a chorus of critics to sing for change, citing his lack of penetration, variation and accuracy.
But how he answered them in scenes of undiluted drama in Manchester, with a brilliant combination of all the above inspiring New Zealand to beat India and secure their place in a second consecutive ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup final.
Henry secured the scalps of Rohit Sharma, KL Rahul and Dinesh Karthik, the latter thanks to a catch beyond superlatives by Jimmy Neesham, as India were stunned and the Bharat Army silenced.
In this semi-final, played over two days after Tuesday’s rain delays, Henry proved whatever setbacks you face, whatever adversity you endure, that joy really does come in the morning.
With Virat Kohli’s team chasing 240, Black Caps captain Kane Williamson kept the faith and threw the ball to his opening bowlers, perhaps more in hope than expectation.
They’d not arrived in Manchester with confidence high, following three consecutive defeats to Pakistan, Australia and England, not ideal preparation for a last four date with a team who'd swaggered through the group stages with just one defeat.
But how they responded, Henry and Trent Boult combining to produce the most devastating spell of swing and seam bowling we’ve seen at this tournament.
By the end of the first ten overs, the game had decisively turned, all conventional wisdom about how this World Cup would play out needing an extensive rewrite.
A staggering 82 per cent of their deliveries - 49 of 60 balls - were dots, India mustered just three boundaries and lost four wickets, their top order skittled.
India’s trademark tactic of cautious starts, followed by rapid acceleration, was ruthlessly exposed and it was the first time four wickets had fallen in the opening powerplay in the entire tournament.
After Henry had cleverly tempted the in-form Sharma, averaging 92.42 at this World Cup, into a drive he edged behind, India’s fans sat quietly, only to come alive when talisman Kohli came to the crease.
But his disappointing run in World Cup semi-finals continued, Boult trapping him lbw, his average in three innings of this match just 3.6, compared to a career 59.70.
Henry, who bowled seven straight over for just 23 runs, was bowling on a unerring length, his angling delivery catching Rahul between playing and leaving, an indecision that was to prove fatal.
Together with Boult, Henry peppered India’s shell-shocked top order with the full English, getting them hopping with a succession of pinpoint swinging yorkers.
And when Neesham threw himself at Karthik’s drive, producing a stunning one-handed catch at backward point, Henry reeled away in wide-eyed wonder. He finished with figures with 37/3, not a career best but certainly career defining.
Everything that could go wrong had gone wrong against the West Indies, but on the biggest stage it all went right and this road to redemption now leads straight to Lord’s.
 
NZ is such an underrated team. There has to be a reason why they've reached two WC finals in a row. This is not a fluke!
 
AdamM97 said:
NZ is such an underrated team. There has to be a reason why they've reached two WC finals in a row. This is not a fluke!
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They were really good in the last WC and definitely deserved to be in final

This time they’re fortunate
 
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Hope England beat Australia in the other semi-final. It's about damn time we get to see a new world champion!!!
 
New Zealand at the World Cup:

1975 - Semi-final
1979 - Semi-final
1983 - Group stage
1987 - Group stage
1992 - Semi-final
1996 - Quarter-final
1999 - Semi-final
2003 - Super Sixes
2007 - Semi-final
2011 - Semi-final
2015 - Final
2019 - ?

Fair to say that NZ has been the 2nd most consistent team in the WC after Australia.
 
Angrez Pakistani said:
Hope England beat Australia in the other semi-final. It's about damn time we get to see a new world champion!!!
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No thanks, I'm fine with losing to Aus as they're the greatest cricket nation and I want us to avenge 2015. Just the thought of being the team that gives England a WC frightens me.
 
Amazing match. That Guptill run out is one of the best moments in World Cup history. Amazing match.

I do feel for India a bit, very odd innings from Dhoni.
 
NZ is fortunate but India did bottle it up, our team does not have the pedigree to win tournaments unless and until bowlers win it on their own, batting is just garbage
 
Aman said:
No thanks, I'm fine with losing to Aus as they're the greatest cricket nation and I want us to avenge 2015. Just the thought of being the team that gives England a WC frightens me.
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I just don't want Australia to win another World Cup.
 
Boo hoo. Selfish cricketer who played on far too long when he should have left the stage with some dignity intact.
 
Well played NZ but you have been incredibly lucky.

Rain has always worked in NZ's favor, be it 2015 or 2019.
 
Aman said:
No thanks, I'm fine with losing to Aus as they're the greatest cricket nation and I want us to avenge 2015. Just the thought of being the team that gives England a WC frightens me.
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You are not winning against Aus in a final , as a neutral we want Kiwis to win but for that it has to be England
 
Congratulations to New Zealand for a terrific win. They may not boast the depth of talent of other teams, but boy do they know how to scrap and fight.

They assess and adapt to conditions better than most, and have a levelheaded skipper in Kane Williamson who leads from the front time and time again.

Whoever wins the 2nd SF, it's set up for a great narrative.

Either a rematch of the 2015 final, or a teacher vs student final - with England facing the team that inspired them to play a new brand of ODI cricket after the depths of 2015 !
 
A mighty spirited effort by the Kiwis, and big slap on the faces of everyone who downplayed Pakistan's victory them. We had nearly similar conditions against the same team and showed much better resolve.

This match has only elevated the brilliance of that innings by Babar Azam and Haris
 
Great win for NZ

Now where are those melts who believed IPL is better than the world cup, and the best prep?

Just proves there is no substitute to intelligence.
 
NZ deserves it. They have been semi-finalists/finalist way too many times and have earned it. They're probably the most loved team in Pakistan after the mosque incident and have lots of DUA behind them. I wish them all the luck and they would need it against any of the other finalists. GO NZ and God bless.
 
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From the most undeserving team to go into the semis to become the most popular team right now. Well done New Zealand, thank you kiwis.
 
Great win for New Zealand. I did have a feeling it wouldn't be an easy chase for India. Pressure of a semi is huge.
 
Congratulations to NZ, but respect to India they fought to the last when all hope seemed lost. Pakistan could learn from this chase.
 
Kroll said:
Congratulations to NZ, but respect to India they fought to the last when all hope seemed lost. Pakistan could learn from this chase.
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Or maybe India should learn from Pakistan where we chased almost same target against same opposition under very similar conditions with relative ease.
 
Syed1 said:
Or maybe India should learn from Pakistan where we chased almost same target against same opposition under very similar conditions with relative ease.
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That win does not count as the pitch was sluggish.

NZ would beat Pakistan 8/10 times. :shaq
 
It just might be NZ’s World Cup.

I admit I gave them very little chance to win this but they played brilliantly especially the latter half.

They just might be saving their best to last unlike 4 years where they seemed to run out of gas on the biggest stage.
 
Daniel Vettori: New Zealand’s victory over India is right up there with the very best

To bowl as outstandingly as they did in such a high-pressure game makes victory over India one of New Zealand’s best ever one-day performances.

Trent Boult and Matt Henry’s opening spell was one of the best you’ll see, and to dismiss three incredibly-talented India batsman to have them five for three takes something special.

They bowled impeccably, putting the ball in the right areas for such a long period of time and that pressure tells on the batsmen, so they really earned the wickets.

A semi-final adds so much pressure – so when you’re able to deliver, under that type of strain, it really is something else. You’re feeling a lot of things and at times you’re almost desperate to get a wicket.

So to put all the emotions to one side and go in there, bowl and do well, is even more impressive, and those guys should be very proud.

But you have to give a lot of credit to Ravindra Jadeja and the way he batted. To have the confidence and courage to come out and play like that, with everything on the line, takes guts.

He was exceptional. India were under heaps of pressure and he was there building partnerships with people, those above him did it too and that was the key to getting them back into it.

Almost straight away he put the pressure back on the bowling attack and suddenly, with just a couple of sixes, a low-scoring match can really change.

In the back of their minds, New Zealand would have always known that a couple of wickets would make things safe – there were a couple of near misses along the way so it was just about executing the skills, believing in what they were doing and keeping calm. That never changes in a Kane Williamson team.

They’ve beaten an exceptionally good Indian team, we can’t forget that, and they’ll leave Manchester feeling incredibly proud of what they’ve achieved.

The quicks will deservedly take the plaudits but Mitch Santner deserves plenty too. He bowled six overs for seven runs at one point, he would have seen the way Jadeja bowled and would have learnt a lot from the way he bowled, the pace he used and what was going to work on this wicket.

He didn’t bowl a bad ball in the whole spell and against an Indian team that love playing against spin, that’s very hard to do.

He reaped the rewards of bowling to the middle order as opposed to Rohit Sharma going at it from ball one. He was nigh-on perfect with his execution.

The fielding was equally as good. Jimmy Neesham’s catch was brilliant, and the icing on the cake with the way the guys were bowling.

Jimmy’s an important part to why New Zealand are in the final, his impact with the ball, bat and in the field is so pleasing and he’s contributed in all areas of the game.

Similarly, Martin Guptill’s run-out of MS Dhoni was really quite something as well. You can’t negate how important that is – Marty is such an exceptional talent in the field.

He hasn’t scored as he’d have liked in this tournament but he’s still fielded exceptionally, and to run Dhoni out like that is really brilliant.

There were so many match-winners in this game, and it’s only now that you can appreciate how good Ross Taylor and Williamson’s innings were.

They would have wanted 250 or 260 but with the way the pitch was, 240 proved to be a great score and a match-winning one, and it shows just how big a role these two play.

It was a perfect innings for the conditions and it’s always those two that have performed well for so long, so it was nice to see them do it in a pressure situation. They had three losses in a row but you could tell that didn’t affect them out there.

As a New Zealand fan you’d be hopeful of them doing it again in the final, but whatever happens it’s going to be a great occasion, and the Black Caps can go into that game with a lot of confidence behind them.

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I dont think anybody including me gave any hope to New Zealand, but damn thats cricket for you. To defend 240 on the reserve day, to bowl like that get those top 3 wickets for nothing, I mean 6-3 dont think you would ever see India at 6-3 and Rohit Rahul and Kohli at 1 a piece and out.
That was it New Zealand had the game in their grasp.
Then a recovery between Pant and Pandya and Williamson with his intelligence and his master stroke, resulted in India losing their set batsman.
What a catch though to dismiss Pant!!!!

Then Jadeja happened and well Dhoni end of the road for him he has been on borrowed time and burden to the team for couple years now, its a shame to see such a great, once world cup winning captain struggle for boundaries and who used to be a gun between the wickets is now slow obviously there will be a question mark as to why Jadeja only started his 1st game against Sri Lanka and now today.

Anyhow, it was the unbelievable runout by Guppy the man! What a throw under pressure with the world cup on final on the line, seeing Jadeja taking it away but that throw man!! I've seen alot of run outs but this one has to be up their considering match situation. As Rameez would have said 'Guppy, you beauty'!!

But the commentary by Ian Bishop, 'is the the world cup, is this the final' all when Ganguly is sat next to him was just a joy to watch!!!

Anyhow, hard luck India and indian fans, i'm seeing the media and fans go berserk back home especially on social media, people calling for Kohli to step down, Dhoni becoming enemy no.1, and then there was Pakistan and its fans praising our team and giving them a hero's welcome.

How the times have changed, actually shows how much hope is now on India to win all these tournaments because that is the minimum expectation. They came up against an energised New Zealand on a mission after some consistent low performances and losses, New Zealand turned up when it mattered.

So here is to NEWISTAN!!!

Now just need England to beat Australia and we can have a thrilling finale of England Vs New Zealand as we am sure all had hopes for Eng Vs Ind from the get go in the world cup.

Again miseries and hard luck Indian fans, be proud of the team and the players, they really were a formidable side and today when the middle order was exposed so early it showed how the top 3 carried the whole team throughout the tournament.

Well done New Zealand... As a Pakistani fan I am delighted but as a cricket fan, that was CRICKET at its best!
 
Syed1 said:
Or maybe India should learn from Pakistan where we chased almost same target against same opposition under very similar conditions with relative ease.
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Not similar. The ball didn't swing like it did today. It was a wicket prepared by wheat farmers.
 
Full credit to NZ. Their bowling and fielding was phenomenal in the second inning defending not too many runs against a deep batting lineup. This is how you perform under pressure.

Brilliant!
 
Is this the greatest upset ever in a World Cup semi final surpassing India beating England in 1983 and Australia beating Pakistan in 1987?I would say so.
 
Amongst the 3. Best semi finals ever in a World Cup?Behind only SouthbAgrica-Australia in 1999 and West Indies -Australia in 1996.
 
Major blunder not to send Dhoni at three down to perform the repair job and take India out of dire straits.Infact it should have been Hardik Pandya in the closing stages and not Dhoni to put the icing on the cake with his knack of acceleration at the finish.Dhonli gave Jadeja too much to do .
 
Aggressive hitting by Hardik Pandya could have banged the final nails in the coffin and sealed a victory.Dhoni just did not step the gas.
 
Kane learnt from the Aus match and never let the foot off the throat.

That was the difference in the end, he rotated his bowlers perfectly. It's good to see he's learning from his mistakes.

If he were to bring NZ a WC, he would become a god (probably already is in Pakistan :)) ) in NZ and would etch himself into NZ history books as one of the greatest NZ sportsman ever.
 
Post match the ifs and buts don't matter....as we cannot expect the said player to perform the same way as someone who sent in a number 3. Great win by NZ they are our kiwi cousins (being in Aus). My son was singing dil dil New Zealand :)
 
Krish Srikkanth: Conditions helped New Zealand beat India but their bowling was fantastic

Congratulations to New Zealand but that really was a thrilling semi-final – right up to the end.

I think because of the rain and the match getting spilt over to a second day, that was in my opinion one of the root causes for the defeat as far as India is concerned.

The rain and the overcast conditions on the second day meant the wicket helped New Zealand more than India as it was ideal for the bowlers.

But if you look at the first three wickets and ask if it was bad batting or good bowling from New Zealand, I would say it was fantastic bowling by New Zealand.

All those first three wickets, KL Rahul, Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli, were outstanding international wicket-taking deliveries and got rid of players who were in brilliant form.

They literally finished off the backbone of the Indian side and then there was a good fightback, hats off to MS Dhoni and Ravindra Jadeja, especially Jadeja in just his second game of the World Cup.

He really made a fantastic fight out of it, he made it a brilliant game. He almost won the match alongside Dhoni and his all-round performance was brilliant for the entire match.

His bowling was fantastic, great batting and great fielding, but he cannot do it on his own and unfortunately, he was left with too much to do in the end.

I have to give great credit to Kane Williamson’s captaincy. One thing about New Zealand’s batting and bowling approach, they played to their strengths and limitations.

That’s why when they were batting they didn’t play the big shots as they knew they only had their two main batsmen in Williamson and Ross Taylor, they just wanted to hang around.

They knew if those two could stay in and they could get near 250, they could make a match out of it and they ended up winning the match and reaching the final.

The way Williamson rotated his bowlers in particular was amazing. Jimmy Neesham and Colin de Grandhomme were the weak links in the bowling but he made sure they were not too exposed.

He rotated them around well and because of the early wickets, their limitations were not exposed. I also thought Mitchell Santner bowled brilliantly, but India gave him too much respect.

They should have played more positively against Santner. When I say positively, that doesn’t mean hitting out, it’s showing some sort of positivity against Santner, putting him under pressure.

At that point in the innings, the run rate started slowly climbing up, and that’s what put pressure on the Indian’s towards the end. India were in control before the rain came though.

Had it been a full day, India probably would have had it easy. I remember in the 1983 World Cup, we batted first and scored about 260 against West indies in the opening match in Manchester.

The match then went into a second day and we bowled West Indies out and won the game, so these things do happen when the games move over to the next day because of rain.

It generally helps the team bowling second, but it’s disappointing for India as they looked like the world champions. That’s what happens in the semi-finals, though, one match and you’re gone.

The same thing happened in the 2015 World Cup, India were unbeaten to the semi-finals against Australia in Perth and here they had only lost to England before their semi-final match.

That’s what happens in the World Cup and you just have to accept it and move on. I don’t think India need to make any drastic changes, they just need to look at that middle order.

We’re still struggling to get the right middle order combination. Rishabh Pant is good but at number five we need to find someone as we’ve tried too many people there.

We’ve tried Dinesh Karthik, we’ve tried Jadeja, we’ve tried Vijay Shankar, three guys have been tried and they’ve not proved useful so maybe we can find a good youngster for No.5.

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Aman said:
Kane learnt from the Aus match and never let the foot off the throat.

That was the difference in the end, he rotated his bowlers perfectly. It's good to see he's learning from his mistakes.

If he were to bring NZ a WC, he would become a god (probably already is in Pakistan :)) ) in NZ and would etch himself into NZ history books as one of the greatest NZ sportsman ever.
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True cricket fans already rate Kane very very highly and one of the best. I personally rate him and Smith as 2 greatest players of this generation. Just consider his resources and how he has led NZ team through thick and thin and led them admirably. Even in this WC if NZ are in the final its due to Kane. He has almost singlehandedly taken them to the final with his pressure innings.

Plus the gesture he showed towards Peshawar kids after the blast already won the hearts of Pak cricket fans. That was so nice of him and magnifies your faith in sports and humanity.

I have no doubt in my mind when i say that Kane Williamson is the nicest, most humble and sweetest player in world cricket today. Such people deserve greatness. Perhaps all the luck going NZ way in this WC is because Kane deserves it the most. I really hope he wins the WC now!
 
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SarfiBabarHaris said:
True cricket fans already rate Kane very very highly and one of the best. I personally rate him and Smith as 2 greatest players of this generation. Just consider his resources and how he has led NZ team through thick and thin and led them admirably. Even in this WC if NZ are in the final its due to Kane. He has almost singlehandedly taken them to the final with his pressure innings.

Plus the gesture he showed towards Peshawar kids after the blast already won the hearts of Pak cricket fans. That was so nice of him and magnifies your faith in sports and humanity.

I have no doubt in my mind when i say that Kane Williamson is the nicest, most humble and sweetest player in world cricket today. Such people deserve greatness. Perhaps all the luck going NZ way in this WC is because Kane deserves it the most. I really hope he wins the WC now!
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Kane is a great captain, but questioning his recourses is a stretch. He has a world class pace attack and arguably the best new ball bowler in the world (Boult). He has two world class batsmen in himself and Taylor, and although Guptill is badly out of touch, he has been a top ODI opener for years now.

Moreover, Latham is a very fine young batsman and their best player of spin after Kane himself. Neesham is a solid all-rounder, BJ Watling is a very good Test WK, Santner is the best SLA after Jadeja and Wagner is one of the best workhorse bowlers around.

Also, New Zealand are always among the top sides when it comes to fielding. Talent-wise, this is perhaps New Zealand's finest squad and he is not exactly leading a mediocre side.
 
Aman said:
Kane learnt from the Aus match and never let the foot off the throat.

That was the difference in the end, he rotated his bowlers perfectly. It's good to see he's learning from his mistakes.

If he were to bring NZ a WC, he would become a god (probably already is in Pakistan :)) ) in NZ and would etch himself into NZ history books as one of the greatest NZ sportsman ever.
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I saw a few pictures of Kane Williamson photoshopped in Pakistan jersey :yk
 
In a few days, one year to England Vs New Zealand Iconic World Cup Final will also be completed.
 
Most heart breaking loss...cant believe its a year already. The fact that we wont chase even 240 never ever came to my mind and was already thinking about final in Lords.

I was at work that day and needed to give a presentation just when our batting was about to start. But thinking the chase was just a formality...I went ahead with my presentation happily. Comes back an hour later and India is 24/4 :(

Top order was due for a failure and they did. But I was mostly upset with the shot Rishab Pant played to get out after he developed a nice little partnership with Pandya. 30-40 runs more between them and India would have won.

Also, Dhoni is the main reason we lost that game. He walked in when the required rr was 4rpo and got out when it was almost 9.5. Had he not played that embarrasingly slow innings and supported Jaddu, result would have been different. I can only laugh when his fans say had Guptil not ran him out, India would have won. We lost the match as soon as Jadeja was out. Dhoni was never in the game.

Lessons learned -

1) Never opt to chase in an ICC knock out game.

2) Dont get over-confident :ravi
 
Rajdeep said:
Most heart breaking loss...cant believe its a year already. The fact that we wont chase even 240 never ever came to my mind and was already thinking about final in Lords.

I was at work that day and needed to give a presentation just when our batting was about to start. But thinking the chase was just a formality...I went ahead with my presentation happily. Comes back an hour later and India is 24/4 :(

Top order was due for a failure and they did. But I was mostly upset with the shot Rishab Pant played to get out after he developed a nice little partnership with Pandya. 30-40 runs more between them and India would have won.

Also, Dhoni is the main reason we lost that game. He walked in when the required rr was 4rpo and got out when it was almost 9.5. Had he not played that embarrasingly slow innings and supported Jaddu, result would have been different. I can only laugh when his fans say had Guptil not ran him out, India would have won. We lost the match as soon as Jadeja was out. Dhoni was never in the game.

Lessons learned -

1) Never opt to chase in an ICC knock out game.

2) Dont get over-confident :ravi
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Are u sure 4 rpo?
 
andy0204 said:
Lets be honest do you expected Jadeja to play well?
Because of this innings he is getting a free ride in LOI's.
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I did not but he still brought India back into the game when all hopes were lost. He may even have won it if Dhoni hadn't a Dhoni.

I still think he should be in our plans for 2023
 
Mesozoic said:
The most painful defeat for me. :ssmith

Part of me died when Jadeja got out.
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lol wth. Jadeja getting out was not the game changer.

india was done at 24/4. Jadeja got you guys close with some insane hitting but that would have been a miracle chase if he saw it through. And when he got out Required rate was 15 per over or so even with him there the odds were certainly in NZ favor. they had been falling behind every over.
 
A thoroughly deserved defeat. This is what you get when you refuse to drop inpactless dead weight cricketers after a failure like the CT final and refuse to groom young cricketers like pant, shreyas iyer etc. Again , picking 3 spinners for a world cup in England (no matter how good they are) and picking Upto 3 wicket keepers etc. cost this team heavily. The lack of accountability was also shocking considering that shastri and kohli have been allowed to continue in their roles post this fiasco.
 
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Are u sure 4 rpo?
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LOL it was 6.3 an over required rate.

and india were 71/5 so lot of runs to go. you couldnt have expected to him starting to hit but obv it was a poor inings
 
Nikhil_cric said:
A thoroughly deserved defeat. This is what you get when you refuse to drop inpactless dead weight cricketers after a failure like the CT final and refuse to groom young cricketers like pant, shreyas iyer etc. Again , picking 3 spinners for a world cup in England (no matter how good they are) and picking Upto 3 wicket keepers etc. cost this team heavily. The lack of accountability was also shocking considering that shastri and kohli have been allowed to continue in their roles post this fiasco.
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semi final is considered a good outcome for a WC tournament.

and india had been imperious throughout the tournament till then and the best team pound for pound. Only one defeat which obv not saying was fishy but certainly India werent fighting to the death for it.

India just imploded in the semi thats it

take out the semi (which some would say one off batting performance) india had a good WC campaign. hardly one which would result in wholesale changes
 
Is there a case to say Indias batting stalwarts implode on the big pressure stage.

both WC 2015 and 2019 semi finals and CT final; Indian batting top order collapsed.
 
Slog said:
semi final is considered a good outcome for a WC tournament.

and india had been imperious throughout the tournament till then and the best team pound for pound. Only one defeat which obv not saying was fishy but certainly India werent fighting to the death for it.

India just imploded in the semi thats it

take out the semi (which some would say one off batting performance) india had a good WC campaign. hardly one which would result in wholesale changes
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It's not a good outcome for a team that was expected to make the final. Many of us spoke about it even when we were smashing teams in Asia cup, bilateral etc. Our lack of a middle order and the extra pace option simply caught up with us. The top order was bound to have a bad day , and when they did,we were exposed brutally. Similarly, we needed an extra pace option on that edgbaston wicket against England and dhoni messed up a chance to review and dismiss Roy early and these are the margins where we lost. That wicket slowed down a lot by the time India batted anyway but we can't control toss . We didn't have the players to win the tournament and made no effort to develop players to do that either.
 
Slog said:
lol wth. Jadeja getting out was not the game changer.

india was done at 24/4. Jadeja got you guys close with some insane hitting but that would have been a miracle chase if he saw it through. And when he got out Required rate was 15 per over or so even with him there the odds were certainly in NZ favor. they had been falling behind every over.
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I know NZ were the factories but we were still in with a chance as long as Jadeja was out there. The moment he got out, it was all over.

Dhoni was never going to get 31 of 12 against Ferguson and Henry.
 
Slog said:
Is there a case to say Indias batting stalwarts implode on the big pressure stage.

both WC 2015 and 2019 semi finals and CT final; Indian batting top order collapsed.
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No. Top order did not collapse in that game. We were 80 odd for no loss and then lost top 3 in a very quick time.
 
Mesozoic said:
I know NZ were the factories but we were still in with a chance as long as Jadeja was out there. The moment he got out, it was all over.

Dhoni was never going to get 31 of 12 against Ferguson and Henry.
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Slog said:
Is there a case to say Indias batting stalwarts implode on the big pressure stage.

both WC 2015 and 2019 semi finals and CT final; Indian batting top order collapsed.
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All chasing. Not making an excuse but we always seem to be chasing in these big games and bottles it up. Hope in next knock out game we bat first.
 
Pant and Pandya were the real culprits of this match. Most of the indian fans had hyped them but they couldn't deliver when it was required. Both of them played like sheeps on that day. :inti
 
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