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New Zealand (249 & 140/2) defeat India (217 & 170) by 8 wickets to win WTC Final

Nikhil_cric said:
Pressure was not the reason for India's batting failures. We are not good enough in conditions where the moves around
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In fact it was the "pressure-handling capability" that Rohit, Pant and to some extent Gill could some runs in this match! Their skills are not equipped for this! That's also because they don't give enough time to practice & get acclimatized to the conditions. They give zero priority to that, and have fake-confidence saying they are professional enough to handle it!
 
Junaids said:
I think so too.

But I remember England chasing a paltry 145 to win at Abu Dhabi 9 years ago. Only for Abdul Rehman to dismiss them for 72 all out!
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Well, I won't bank on NZ chasing 130 runs in turning tracks in India as well. You are comparing apple to oranges.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I think this test we missed the runs from Ashwin and Jaddu.

Batting middle order was garbage as usual.

That plus Bumrah's screw up tilted the favour.
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One of the big reasons why we won in Australia is the contribution of lower middle order there. Pant, Ashwin, sundar and Thakur have contributed immensely with the bat even though the top order failed there too.
 
RamLakhan said:
In fact it was the "pressure-handling capability" that Rohit, Pant and to some extent Gill could some runs in this match! Their skills are not equipped for this! That's also because they don't give enough time to practice & get acclimatized to the conditions. They give zero priority to that, and have fake-confidence saying they are professional enough to handle it!
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+1. I'd add shastri to that lost. Useless coach. Gets praised unnecessarily by a few
 
Current betting odds from Ladbrokes:

New Zealand odds-on 1-16
India 16-1
Draw 19-1

Hard to believe after so much lost time!
 
Do we have nothing to lose by packing everyone around the bat and bowling Ashwin and Jadeja in tandem?
 
Congrats to NZ fans. This one is over. NZ are a very skilled side and showed us our glaring shortcomings.
 
120 runs. No way NZ is not getting this. Well played ...
 
guna said:
One of the big reasons why we won in Australia is the contribution of lower middle order there. Pant, Ashwin, sundar and Thakur have contributed immensely with the bat even though the top order failed there too.
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Yes.

Another issue is that our top and middle order ALWAYS wants runs from their lower order.

Like they gotta bowl well and bat well too.

Our batting is a disgrace.

All should be sacked.

Every single one of them.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Bumrah on now.

lol.
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Bumrah don't give any confidence these days (especially in tests) because he just cannot swing/seam the ball with that action. He simply relies on variable bounce (dry pitches). Probably its better if we make him play only in LOIs...
 
India still remains a home track bully, Australia tour was an anamoly.
 
Junaids said:
Current betting odds from Ladbrokes:

New Zealand odds-on 1-16
India 16-1
Draw 19-1

Hard to believe after so much lost time!
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Translated into English:

If you bet $16 on NZ and they win you will earn $1.

If you bet $16 on India and they win you will earn $256.

If you bet $16 on a draw and the match is drawn you will earn $304.
 
RamLakhan said:
Bumrah don't give any confidence these days (especially in tests) because he just cannot swing/seam the ball with that action. He simply relies on variable bounce (dry pitches). Probably its better if we make him play only in LOIs...
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He has not been the same since injury.

Needs to work on his game.

Release him from the squad.
 
Ishant is old and feels like he is done too.

Run up too slow.

He hasn't been bowling as well as his stats suggest this game.
 
Junaids said:
Translated into English:

If you bet $16 on NZ and they win you will earn $1.

If you bet $16 on India and they win you will earn $256.

If you bet $16 on a draw and the match is drawn you will earn $304.
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Yep, agree with these lopsided odds. NZ has it in the bag here.
 
Varun said:
Do we have nothing to lose by packing everyone around the bat and bowling Ashwin and Jadeja in tandem?
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Thats a logical thing to do.

But we don't do that here.

If it spins, new ball will help the spinners to exert some pressure.

Gosh....

The stupidity whenever Kohli captains the team is astounding.
 
battler said:
Why would you not bowl Ashwin to 2 lefties up straight in any conditions in the world boggles the mind. Absolutely pathetic from kohli. Robotic captaincy
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A lot of us in Australia credited Rahane with the series victory. Kohli is no student of the game and he has never really understood Test cricket.
 
battler said:
Why would you not bowl Ashwin to 2 lefties up straight in any conditions in the world boggles the mind. Absolutely pathetic from kohli. Robotic captaincy
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Haha...yes.

Maybe he is worried that fans will abuse him for playing spinner in such conditions.

Already 20 runs given.

And nerves eased.

There is no hope for India till kohli is captaining lol.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yes.

Another issue is that our top and middle order ALWAYS wants runs from their lower order.

Like they gotta bowl well and bat well too.

Our batting is a disgrace.

All should be sacked.

Every single one of them.
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India does not have the guts to boot out veteran batsmen. Rahane and Pujara have to go. Even tailenders have been outscoring them for a while now. They play a decent hand once very 3 or 4 test matches by scoring a 50. Simply not good enough to keep their place in team with those sort of contrubutions.

India needs to move on from the oldies and look towards the future. KL Rahul, Padikkal, Sundar, Shaw etc have to be invested in. They cannot perform worse than the current middle order.

I trust Sundar with the bat more than Rahane and Pujara these days. If Sundar fails with the bat, at least he can redeem himself with the ball. Can't say the same for Rahane and Pujara.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Ishant is old and feels like he is done too.

Run up too slow.

He hasn't been bowling as well as his stats suggest this game.
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Whole team (including coach & perhaps even captaincy) needs a major revamp...

Rohit should have been tested as opener (including overseas) few years back, not now...

Gill perhaps should be dropped down the order, at least he can attack the older ball...

Pujara should go! Rahane should remain only if he is captain!

Kohli releasing from captaincy can do a world of good to his batting (where is his consistency in making big runs? 100s?)

Jadeja & Ashwin both playing in SENA is not at all good...! Choose Ashwin if you need good bowling option/spinning option or choose Jadeja if you want to strengthen the batting & want his just as a defensive bowler holding one end. But I will go for Ashwin because he can create chances to pick wicket.

Ishant's days are ending... Bumrah should take a break from Tests... Shami needs support from similar bowlers (preferably swing bowlers)

Pant will probably bat more responsibly if one of the Top-5 are still batting with him! (like he did with Pujara in Australia & KL Rahul in some matches!) At the moment he is battling lonely with later order batsmen! Not that he should not be criticized for his shot selections in this match, but I think he will be more responsible and will take less risks with a Top order batsman in company! He has done that before... (Gilchrist used to do so because he had that support from one of their Top 6)

And we need fresh breeze in seam/swing bowling...
 
Nz have a quality bowling attack and they have throughly exploited the weaknesses of all Indian batsmen.
 
Junaids said:
A lot of us in Australia credited Rahane with the series victory. Kohli is no student of the game and he has never really understood Test cricket.
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Rahane is streets ahead. Though as a batsman he continues to bottle. Still plays like a teenager.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Haha...yes.

Maybe he is worried that fans will abuse him for playing spinner in such conditions.

Already 20 runs given.

And nerves eased.

There is no hope for India till kohli is captaining lol.
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He din't even learn from his 1st innings mistake of getting ashwin after the 20th over. How bone headed can one get? Indian fans will absolutely have reason to lambast him over this
 
guna said:
India does not have the guts to boot out veteran batsmen. Rahane and Pujara have to go. Even tailenders have been outscoring them for a while now. They play a decent hand once very 3 or 4 test matches by scoring a 50. Simply not good enough to keep their place in team with those sort of contrubutions.

India needs to move on from the oldies and look towards the future. KL Rahul, Padikkal, Sundar, Shaw etc have to be invested in. They cannot perform worse than the current middle order.

I trust Sundar with the bat more than Rahane and Pujara these days. If Sundar fails with the bat, at least he can redeem himself with the ball. Can't say the same for Rahane and Pujara.
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Step 1 - Strip down Kohli's captaincy. We may get a warrior of a batsman back.

Step 2 - Make Rahane captain for now. With this head on the line.

Step 3 - Drop Pujara, Bumrah and everyone else who is off-colour and ask them to work on their issues. I think Pujara is pretty much done.

Step 4 - Bring Washi and other bats. Same with bowlers.

Harsh decisions have to be taken.

But as we all know, it won't.

Ironically, Aus 2020 was a blessing in disguise with all the injuries.

We sure as hell wouldn't have won if Kohli was the captain.

Even Ashwin and Vihari injury was a blessing in disguise for the Gabba pitch.

Ashwin might have bowled better than Washi but damn....the batting of Washi...there's no way Ashwin would have replicated that.

We gotta go for a performance centric approach.
 
RamLakhan said:
Whole team (including coach & perhaps even captaincy) needs a major revamp...

Rohit should have been tested as opener (including overseas) few years back, not now...

Gill perhaps should be dropped down the order, at least he can attack the older ball...

Pujara should go! Rahane should remain only if he is captain!

Kohli releasing from captaincy can do a world of good to his batting (where is his consistency in making big runs? 100s?)

Jadeja & Ashwin both playing in SENA is not at all good...! Choose Ashwin if you need good bowling option/spinning option or choose Jadeja if you want to strengthen the batting & want his just as a defensive bowler holding one end. But I will go for Ashwin because he can create chances to pick wicket.

Ishant's days are ending... Bumrah should take a break from Tests... Shami needs support from similar bowlers (preferably swing bowlers)

Pant will probably bat more responsibly if one of the Top-5 are still batting with him! (like he did with Pujara in Australia & KL Rahul in some matches!) At the moment he is battling lonely with later order batsmen! Not that he should not be criticized for his shot selections in this match, but I think he will be more responsible and will take less risks with a Top order batsman in company! He has done that before... (Gilchrist used to do so because he had that support from one of their Top 6)

And we need fresh breeze in seam/swing bowling...
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Yeah agreed on all counts.

I still think Ash-Jaddu in SENA is on...cos had it not rained and we scored a touch more, those two would have been right now bowling to the NZ tail winning us this game.

If our batting scores more and pacers are picked on form, all problems will get sorted.

If Ash or Jaddu don't perform, they can be thrown out no problem.
 
This isa guha lady is a paid puppet of the bcci even when ind is not playing she makes it her job to mention india & kohli !!
 
Yesterday I said India have no chances of victory and there is only one team that's with a chance of winning and that was NZ. All they had to do was block out the first session to kill NZ's chances of victory. When I saw Pujara coming with a very positive approach as if they were gunning for victory, I knew they were instructed to take a high risk approach.

I felt India would be stupid to risk a final loss while chasing an unlikely victory and that's exactly what they ended up doing. Shastri's positive coaching has its upsides like the series in Australia but the downsides of having an ultra aggressive captain coach combo is this.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yes goat test captain.
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On a serious note...

Who should replace Kohli as captain?

Rahane doesn't inspire much confidence with his batting and may well be dropped.

Probably time for Ashwin to get a go...just like Kumble got it at the later stages of his career
 
wow, seems like india have gone from the GOAT ever to bottle job chokers in the space of a couple of rain affected days :))
 
Ashmal said:
On a serious note...

Who should replace Kohli as captain?

Rahane doesn't inspire much confidence with his batting and may well be dropped.

Probably time for Ashwin to get a go...just like Kumble got it at the later stages of his career
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Rahane

Rahane

Rahane

Rahane

Rahane

Temporary captain.

Dude has been legendary whenever he has captained.
 
Don’t forget, Kane Williamson has been out of form in England this summer and Ross Taylor has been playing jumpy, careless, high-risk innings since he was 35.

India need to keep their discipline and need to strangle the scoring rate, rather than trying to bowl magic balls.

120 runs in a final session can be pretty challenging, but only if the bowling and fielding are stiflingly good.

Rather than Kohli agitating the crowd and his players, they need to be playing tight cricket in deafening silence to strangle the Kiwis.
 
Stripping kohli's captaincy in test I think is not going to happen if not in LOIs to Rohit then certainly not to rahane in test.Rohit getting loi captaincy more probable then rahane in test.
 
NZ have an excellent chance to win this match.

India batted shockingly bad this morning considering a draw looked inevitable.

It can still go to the wire if 3/4 wickets fall quickly which is possible if the ball still moves around but NZ don’t need to take any big risk to chase this down.
 
When NZ wins this, Kohli would've captained us to yet another ICC knockout loss.

Remember the days when Dhoni used to be called just a "lucky" captain?
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Bumrah bowled one delivery well. Rest was poor.

If you 2 spinners and won't even bring on to check if the pitch does have spin or not...you are an idiot.

I am sorry.
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The ball isn't even 10 overs old and the pitch may spin but the fact that it is no longer damp and the pitch hasn't softened is not a great indication.

I think bringing him on for a different look for the batsmen is fine but to think he could do something here, when he has a very average performance level abroad is not great.
 
Almost gone.

Get the close in fielders you jokers. lol.

Bring Jaddu from the other end.

Shami only exception.
 
mastimasti said:
The ball isn't even 10 overs old and the pitch may spin but the fact that it is no longer damp and the pitch hasn't softened is not a great indication.

I think bringing him on for a different look for the batsmen is fine but to think he could do something here, when he has a very average performance level abroad is not great.
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You gotta test first bhai.

If not now, then when?

After trophy is lifted by Williamson?

Anyways.....we have botched up the entire 4th innings bowling changes.
 
The current Indian team choking in ICC tournaments. What a surprise. It’s almost like I predicted it
 
Good. At least we are stringing together a few dot balls.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Who called us GOAT?

And are the same people calling us jokers?

Think those are diff people.
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I think there's been multiple threads and resident cheerleaders on this site who have claimed india to be GOATS. TBF i don't think they are too far off, i was just using the point to emphasize the nature of some fickle fans in sports in general, we have seen time and again on this forum, when the teams winning great when they lose bash them.
 
Bumrah 7 runs now.

Looks waste of time.

Ghatiya captaincy through and through.

And even more ghatiya bowling.

Gonna sign off.

Can't watch this torturous captaincy and team performance.

Williamson deserves the win.

We are too stupid to win the WTC.
 
silentkiller187 said:
I think there's been multiple threads and resident cheerleaders on this site who have claimed india to be GOATS. TBF i don't think they are too far off, i was just using the point to emphasize the nature of some fickle fans in sports in general, we have seen time and again on this forum, when the teams winning great when they lose bash them.
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I mean...are the same ones calling us bottlers?

I think there are 2 different sets of fans.
 
To the guy who said Bumrah bowled well.

Saw it mate?

This ain't BUmrah's fault.

Its Kohli's.

His poor performance could have been predicted a million miles away.

30 runs given just like that.

Nerves eased.

Best captain from NZ's point of view.
 
Its too late tho.

Unless Ashwin bowls a spell of a lifetime and I won't bet on that here.

Bring Jaddu in from the other end for God's sake you clueless joke.
 
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