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New Zealand [300/5] defeat India [296/7] to win 3rd ODI by 5 wkts & whitewash India by a 3-0 margin

Cricket is a sport where the white ball version subsidizes the red ball one because of the constraints of modern day attention slams and decline of ground attendances. This does not make it secondary or less in importance. If you think that you should ask most players which format they want to excel most in. If you're still not trolling you'll get your answer. Tv viewership is secondary to it.

Ftr tests in india are still quite well attended. I couldn't get a ticket most days the last time england came here in mumbai.

People decide what's premier, not players. A sport without spectator is just crazies playing with sticks and stones.

Tests are absolutely not well attended in India lol. Do you skip all the articles about low attendance?
 
I think Bumrah needs to be rested too much pressure on him after his come back. Dont know what would happen if sami played this series. Navdeep has been Inconsistent, needs to improve himself. And BCCI needs to give rest to team India series series after series then they go for IPL 😲 Too Much greediness, Not good.
 
People decide what's premier, not players. A sport without spectator is just crazies playing with sticks and stones.

Tests are absolutely not well attended in India lol. Do you skip all the articles about low attendance?

That is your opinion. The game doesn't take occur based on what people want primarily or what they think at that particular fleeting moment. You can turn it on its head and argue that without the players playing it there aren't going to be any spectators of a non existent sport.
 
That is your opinion. The game doesn't take occur based on what people want primarily or what they think at that particular fleeting moment. You can turn it on its head and argue that without the players playing it there aren't going to be any spectators of a non existent sport.

Players exist because people pay to watch them play. Otherwise anybody can play whatever they want, doesn't make it a professional sport. ICC is desperate to bring more audience to tests because your favorite format is losing so much money it's unaffordable for many teams.

There will always be players when there's money, so please give better excuse next time. And valid ones, if you will.
 
Tests are subsidised by white ball cricket. If they are losing so much money you should ask yourself why they don't stop first class cricket which is basically red ball cricket or why associates want to become test playing nations.

As for as associates are concerned becoming test nation makes them a full member board and it increases icc funding for them and if not for that they won't give a damn..
 
Gotta give credit to New Zealand on the way they denied Bumrah. They clearly had a plan against him and didn't give him an inch. Zero wickets in three games for the No.1 ODI bowler in the world does not look good.
 
I wary of Bumrah an Shami in Tests + our batting isn't anywhere as good as India's. I'm thinking 1-0 or 2-0 India.

You're really underrating your batting, especially in home conditions. I can't remember the last time you guys lost a home series...probably South Africa 2016 and eventhough the Indian attack is very good, NZ batting is known to do very well at home.
 
India getting whitewashed in a series (3+ ODIs)
0-5 vs WI 1983/84
0-5 vs WI 1988/89
0-3 vs NZ 2019/20
P.S. They lost 0-4 vs SA in 2006/07 with one ODI abandoned
 
As for as associates are concerned becoming test nation makes them a full member board and it increases icc funding for them and if not for that they won't give a damn..

Tests at first class level are needed to see & evaluate the skills of a player properly! You cannot develop a player through ODI & T20s, they are the end products (leaves/fruits/flowers) which look attractive & sell well to people, but you need strength at the root level!
 
Whitewashed by a NZ team without their captain (2 games) and their first choice bowling attack... :))

Kohli deserves this humiliation. :vk2
 
NZ is a formidable opponent at home. Once they put you on the backfoot, they don't let up.

Shardul Thakur is a good find for international cricket :smith
 
Some confidence for the Tests and the series against Aus.

Let's go, get some rare wins against Aus in Aus.
 
test will test the ability of players hence it is the premier/superior format. Best format. Legends are made in tests. facts. Odi is a bonus.

odi is more popular cause it's shorter but test is real cricket. period.

congrats to n.z. Also thanks for ending g thakur's career. Thanks in advance for ending jhadav's career for good too.
 
Some confidence for the Tests and the series against Aus.

Let's go, get some rare wins against Aus in Aus.

India's weakness is swing. n.z is a tough matchup for india. india plays bounce well. Australia will be easier than n.z.
 
India should be worried about their fast bowling stocks in LOIs. Apart from Bumrah they don't really have anyone. Shami is decent too. If Thakur is anywhere near the team then that means something is seriously wrong. That guy has no clue where to bowl and what to bowl. He has no skills at all. Bhuvneshwar Kumar has also declined.
 
India should be worried about their fast bowling stocks in LOIs. Apart from Bumrah they don't really have anyone. Shami is decent too. If Thakur is anywhere near the team then that means something is seriously wrong. That guy has no clue where to bowl and what to bowl. He has no skills at all. Bhuvneshwar Kumar has also declined.

Ishan porel and Sandeep sharma
 
So if they do have better bowlers than Thakur and Saini then why aren't they being picked?

politics
nepotism
favoritism
quota

all of it. India have plenty of better options. It's just hard to get an opportunity. Lot of ****** in the selection committee.

it is what it is.
 
India should be worried about their fast bowling stocks in LOIs. Apart from Bumrah they don't really have anyone. Shami is decent too. If Thakur is anywhere near the team then that means something is seriously wrong. That guy has no clue where to bowl and what to bowl. He has no skills at all. Bhuvneshwar Kumar has also declined.

apparently this year we don't care about odi according to kaptaan. only t20 matters. if that's the case then let's see how far India go.
 
India's weakness is swing. n.z is a tough matchup for india. india plays bounce well. Australia will be easier than n.z.

Exactly right... In Australia & South Africa it was the "strong team" (Australia & South Africa were strong everywhere) and not necessarily the pitches, that's why Australia & South Africa did well even in India... Once Australia & South Africa come up with weaker teams, then Indians will fancy their chances, because those are the pitches which are more nearer to Indian conditions with even spinners coming to play!

On the other hand it becomes tougher to win in England & NZ even against weaker sides (e.g., Pakistan in CT, Srilanka in Dharmashala, etc.) Things become little better if even we have some decent swing bowlers (like Ganguly in a Toronto series, Irfan/Balaji in a Pakistan series, etc)

Pakistan are slightly better (historically) in handling swing. Most of their batsmen are good at playing waiting game & covering up the line. Their problem is exactly opposite (bounce). WI team troubled them big time in last World Cup!
 
India should be worried about their fast bowling stocks in LOIs. Apart from Bumrah they don't really have anyone. Shami is decent too. If Thakur is anywhere near the team then that means something is seriously wrong. That guy has no clue where to bowl and what to bowl. He has no skills at all. Bhuvneshwar Kumar has also declined.

Bhuvaneshwar Kumar is much better
 
apparently this year we don't care about odi according to kaptaan. only t20 matters. if that's the case then let's see how far India go.
He has a point, but it's not something you should say.

T20s are definitely more important this year as the T20 WC is around the corner and teams are looking to finalize their squads.
 
Exactly right... In Australia & South Africa it was the "strong team" (Australia & South Africa were strong everywhere) and not necessarily the pitches, that's why Australia & South Africa did well even in India... Once Australia & South Africa come up with weaker teams, then Indians will fancy their chances, because those are the pitches which are more nearer to Indian conditions with even spinners coming to play!

On the other hand it becomes tougher to win in England & NZ even against weaker sides (e.g., Pakistan in CT, Srilanka in Dharmashala, etc.) Things become little better if even we have some decent swing bowlers (like Ganguly in a Toronto series, Irfan/Balaji in a Pakistan series, etc)

Pakistan are slightly better (historically) in handling swing. Most of their batsmen are good at playing waiting game & covering up the line. Their problem is exactly opposite (bounce). WI team troubled them big time in last World Cup!

Australia hardly ever had success in India apart from 2004. You could also say that india became strong over the years.
South Africa have only ever won once in India. Back in 2000. They had a few draws though.
 
apparently this year we don't care about odi according to kaptaan. only t20 matters. if that's the case then let's see how far India go.

Yea kohli can sometimes lack self awareness or talk ****. Why doesn't he drop himself for these games ? Rohit was injured in the t20s so isn't playing and bumrah is back from injury so match fitness can be an excuse for him. Why won't kohli rest himself ?

It's never ideal to get whitewashed but this series still isn't without positives. For one at least rahul and iyer have cemented their places and can't be dropped by even kohli and shastri now while for the foreseeable future thakurs white ball career should also be over.
 
Players exist because people pay to watch them play. Otherwise anybody can play whatever they want, doesn't make it a professional sport. ICC is desperate to bring more audience to tests because your favorite format is losing so much money it's unaffordable for many teams.

There will always be players when there's money, so please give better excuse next time. And valid ones, if you will.
What you're doing is called putting the cart before the horse. Spectators don't vote for a game and it's creation after which players decide to take it up professionally. The facts are not in your favor for what you're saying I'm afraid. You can cry hoarse all you want about others making excuses while you stick your own head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge reality.
 
Yea kohli can sometimes lack self awareness or talk ****. Why doesn't he drop himself for these games ? Rohit was injured in the t20s so isn't playing and bumrah is back from injury so match fitness can be an excuse for him. Why won't kohli rest himself ?

It's never ideal to get whitewashed but this series still isn't without positives. For one at least rahul and iyer have cemented their places and can't be dropped by even kohli and shastri now while for the foreseeable future thakurs white ball career should also be over.

It's all an excuse. To be fair india does play too much cricket. However if he dint care then he would have rested more players. I think fans want to watch kohli and bumrah etc. Plus he gets bonuses behind the scenes if he plays jamodi's I believe. Hence he decides to play most of the key players.

In truth we got outplayed. It happens. ah well. what can you do.
 
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Australia hardly ever had success in India apart from 2004. You could also say that india became strong over the years.
South Africa have only ever won once in India. Back in 2000. They had a few draws though.

Yes that's what I was telling, once Australia/South Africa gets weaker as a team and India becomes stronger then it becomes easier for India to handle those teams because those pitches won't affect us much! Guys like Rohit Sharma, Dhawan, Rahul and even Kohli love the ball coming around the shoulder height!
 
It's all an excuse. To be fair india does play too much cricket. However if he dint care then he would have rested more players. I think fans want to watch kohli and bumrah etc. Plus he gets bonuses behind the scenes if he plays jamodi's I believe. Hence he decides to play most of the key players.

In truth we got outplayed. It happens. ah well. what can you do.
Tests > ODI > T20

Do you remember your prediction about tests against NZ?
:inti
 
India captain Virat Kohli said that the team's composure and performance on the field was not good enough at the international level after losing the ODI series 3-0 against New Zealand. The hosts won the third and final ODI in Mount Maunganui by five wickets to seal a series sweep as India failed to defend a target of 297. "All three games, the composure and the way we fielded wasn't good enough for international cricket," Virat Kohli said at the presentation ceremony after the match.

India were put in to bat first by New Zealand and found themselves in trouble soon, losing Mayank Agarwal and Virat Kohli early. Prithvi Shaw and Shreyas Iyer took the visitors to 62/3 before Shaw departed for 42. Kl Rahul, who scored his fourth ODI century, then came in and put up two 100-run stands with Iyer and then Manish Pandey as India recovered and posted 296.

"The way we came back was a positive for us," Kohli said.

However, India could do little as the New Zealand openers got off to a flyer and despite losing wickets, completed the chase with relative ease.

"In the field, we weren't good enough at all," Kohli said.

The India captain also praised the home side, complimenting them for coming back from the 5-0 drubbing in the T20I series and winning the ODI series convincingly.

"They played with a lot more intensity after the T20 series. They deservedly won 3-0," he said.

Speaking about the upcoming two-match Test series, Kohli remained confident and spoke about the need to play with the right mindset.

"I think because of the Test Championship, every match has that more importance. We have a really balanced Test team and we feel we can win the series here, but we need to step on to the park with the right kind of mindset," Kohli said.

The first Test will begin on February 21 in Wellington.

https://sports.ndtv.com/new-zealand...national-cricket-2178518?pfrom=home-sshowcase
 
Congrats NZ, well deserved whitewash after that T20 series. LOL this is like a 6-0, 0-6 scoreline in tennis. Let us see who wins the 3rd set.

Although we lost I am very happy with Rahul and Iyer, I am sure they will serve India well in the next WC.
 
New Zealand put on a complete show to chase down India's 296/7 with five wickets to spare in the third ODI at the Bay Oval on Tuesday, February 11, and with it handed India their first series whitewash loss in a bilateral ODI series since 1989.

They were last clean swept in a bilateral ODI series by Viv Richards' West Indies in March 1989, when they had gone down in each of the five games in the Caribbean. As for New Zealand, the resounding triumph was a strong statement, after what had transpired in the five-match T20I series that preceded, which the hosts lost 5-0.

Put in to bat, the visitors lost Mayank Agarwal in the second over, who was cleaned up by Kyle Jamieson for 1. Skipper Virat Kohli showed early aggression, hitting a six downtown off Tim Southee, before he played one straight to third-man off Hamish Bennett when on 9. Meanwhile, Prithvi Shaw (40) showed some spark, striking three fours and two sixes but a poor judgement of run cost him his wicket.

It came down to the men in form, Shreyas Iyer and KL Rahul, and the pair replicated their heroics from the first ODI to rebuild the Indian innings with a 100-run stand. Iyer got to his third successive fifty-plus score of the series, before being undone by Jimmy Neesham's short-of-length delivery when on 62. Rahul however marched on, finding able support in Manish Pandey (42) who had replaced Kedar Jadhav in the XI. The pair put on 107 runs for the fifth wicket, with Rahul getting to his fourth ODI hundred in the process.

Hamish Bennett though removed both in the 47th over of the innings, and that helped New Zealand restrict India below 300.

Martin Guptill and Henry Nicholls gave New Zealand a breezy start, bringing up the fifty-run stand in as early as the seventh over. Guptill (66) was the aggressor of the two, striking six hits to the fence and four over it, before he was undone by Yuzvendra Chahal's leg-break that beat his outside edge to hit the top of off. Kane Williamson, making a return after missing the first two games through injury, dragged a short one to mid-wicket off Chahal when on 22, while Taylor's first dismissal of the series was brought about by some shrewd variation in pace and length from Ravindra Jadeja.

Nicholls (80) remained solid at one end, but when he nicked a short and wide one off Shardul Thakur through to the keeper, and was followed not long after by Neesham, India still stood a chance. However, de Grandhomme took the attack to the opposition, racing to fifty from a mere 21 balls, while Latham played the anchor role. The pair took 15 runs off the 43rd over from Thakur to bring it down to run-a-ball, before de Grandhomme hit three fours and a six in his next to kill the contest. A single from the first ball of the 48th completed a comprehensive five-wicket win for the hosts.

The teams will now contest in a two-match Test series, the first of which will be played in Wellington from 21 February.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1607433
 
We were hearing a lot of boasting that India haven't been whitewashed for 30 years blah blah. This is what happens when you start running mouth.
 
New Zealand are a difficult team to beat at home in any format. Credit to them for bouncing back after the T20s.

The Indian selectors deserve this though. Selecting rubbish like Thakur and Jahdav is unacceptable. Also they should have opened with KL instead of playing Agarwaal. KL potential is much higher so why waste it down the order instead of an inferior player lol? Also they should have tried another spinner as ODIs right now are meaningless due to no WC till 2023 and Kuldeep and Chahal being out of form. Didn't see a need to play Jadeja when India know what they can get from him.
 
mashallah loved every bit of it.guroor Ka sar nicha. Even the last time India toured newzealand and got beaten black and white I think it was in 2014. Newzealand whipped them 4-0 and a match was tied.
 
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mashallah loved every bit of it.guroor Ka sar nicha. Even the last Mera Bharat mahaan toured newzealand and got beaten black and white I think it was in 2014. Newzealand whipped them 4-0 and a match was tied.

It's ok beta. we beat then 4 - 1 black and blue last year. worry about your own team. what was it again? phaintas in australua and also last year im 2018 it was a proper phainta. Phainta in england too.

india always bound back. people were talking about n.z's h2h vs india. India gave 5 0 thumping. I domt care what you say, super over or not, fact is they got humbled twice in a super over. Its not a fluke.
 
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