Malik’s better than the hacks playing right now. I’d rather play him for the t20 world cup considering its in India. Atleast he has a brain to stay at the wicket and build an innings. He can rotate the strike and hit big hits unlike the so called youngsters who create pressure on themselves by playing 4 dots then going for a big hit and skying it straight to the fielder. Pakistan need Babar, Hafeez and Malik if they want to compete at the t20 World Cup or be saved from embarrassment which shows how much they’re struggling in the batting department. Don’t even get me started on the bowling. Waqar becoming coach for the 4th time has already wasted Amir along with Misbah. These two should be sacked for good now.
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Muddaser
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Talent Talent Talent is all we hear on this forum.
No mention of brains/Temperament and cricketing sense.
Imam is hated here because of his S/R irrespective of his consistently and his hunger for runs but wet themselves at the mention of Leg side Hack Haider Ali.
He scored 8 off 4. 200 strike rate. Great innings.
No mention of brains/Temperament and cricketing sense.
Imam is hated here because of his S/R irrespective of his consistently and his hunger for runs but wet themselves at the mention of Leg side Hack Haider Ali.
He scored 8 off 4. 200 strike rate. Great innings.
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On average, Pakistan commits about 6 fielding mistakes in a single match of twenty overs. That's literally a mistake every 3 overs.
1. Talat misfielding at the first ball of the match (sets the tone of the match)
2. Rauf misses a runout (Guptill doesn't last long but smashes a couple of sixes)
3. Rauf lets a four slide through
4. Shaheen lets a four slide through (key to note next two balls went for ten)
5. Khushdil lets a four slide through
6. Shadab drops a catch
7. Wahab drops a catch
8. Rauf misfields resulting in a single becoming double
That's literally free 10 runs plus the Shaheen misfield resulted in the next two balls going for 10 runs which could have been avoided.
Then there's the team management that literally learns nothing from the past games and repeats the same mistakes over and over again. I honestly feel the management knows that the team isn't good enough to compete so they set them up for failure in order to have readymade excuses in the press conference. This time the excuse is that Babar's injury has unsettled the top order and they tried to play youngsters.
I don't mind losing but this team isn't fun to watch right now.
1. Talat misfielding at the first ball of the match (sets the tone of the match)
2. Rauf misses a runout (Guptill doesn't last long but smashes a couple of sixes)
3. Rauf lets a four slide through
4. Shaheen lets a four slide through (key to note next two balls went for ten)
5. Khushdil lets a four slide through
6. Shadab drops a catch
7. Wahab drops a catch
8. Rauf misfields resulting in a single becoming double
That's literally free 10 runs plus the Shaheen misfield resulted in the next two balls going for 10 runs which could have been avoided.
Then there's the team management that literally learns nothing from the past games and repeats the same mistakes over and over again. I honestly feel the management knows that the team isn't good enough to compete so they set them up for failure in order to have readymade excuses in the press conference. This time the excuse is that Babar's injury has unsettled the top order and they tried to play youngsters.
I don't mind losing but this team isn't fun to watch right now.
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Your bowlers couldn't even bowl out Australia. 2 innings losses and only when they felt sorry for your helplessness did they show mercy on your trundlers and declare. We had terrible session. World of difference
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On average, Pakistan commits about 6 fielding mistakes in a single match of twenty overs. That's literally a mistake every 3 overs.
1. Talat misfielding at the first ball of the match (sets the tone of the match)
2. Rauf misses a runout (Guptill doesn't last long but smashes a couple of sixes)
3. Rauf lets a four slide through
4. Shaheen lets a four slide through (key to note next two balls went for ten)
5. Khushdil lets a four slide through
6. Shadab drops a catch
7. Wahab drops a catch
8. Rauf misfields resulting in a single becoming double
That's literally free 10 runs plus the Shaheen misfield resulted in the next two balls going for 10 runs which could have been avoided.
Then there's the team management that literally learns nothing from the past games and repeats the same mistakes over and over again. I honestly feel the management knows that the team isn't good enough to compete so they set them up for failure in order to have readymade excuses in the press conference. This time the excuse is that Babar's injury has unsettled the top order and they tried to play youngsters.
I don't mind losing but this team isn't fun to watch right now.
1. Talat misfielding at the first ball of the match (sets the tone of the match)
2. Rauf misses a runout (Guptill doesn't last long but smashes a couple of sixes)
3. Rauf lets a four slide through
4. Shaheen lets a four slide through (key to note next two balls went for ten)
5. Khushdil lets a four slide through
6. Shadab drops a catch
7. Wahab drops a catch
8. Rauf misfields resulting in a single becoming double
That's literally free 10 runs plus the Shaheen misfield resulted in the next two balls going for 10 runs which could have been avoided.
Then there's the team management that literally learns nothing from the past games and repeats the same mistakes over and over again. I honestly feel the management knows that the team isn't good enough to compete so they set them up for failure in order to have readymade excuses in the press conference. This time the excuse is that Babar's injury has unsettled the top order and they tried to play youngsters.
I don't mind losing but this team isn't fun to watch right now.
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PSL is a T20 league. Not sure what relevance test cricket has here but or what it's worth we haven't benen smashed into oblivion like minnows in Australia for the past 25 years.
Indeed, i’d say 65 years is a better number.
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PSL is a T20 league. Not sure what relevance test cricket has here but or what it's worth we haven't benen smashed into oblivion like minnows in Australia for the past 25 years.
You broke a 60 year old record yesterday.
No team is gonna smash that record breaking score for 50 years let alone 25.
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36 all out should require 36 hours before showing up...
An unbeaten 129-run stand between Kane Williamson and Tim Seifert and a four-wicket haul from Tim Southee saw New Zealand take an unassailable 2-0 lead in the T20I series against Pakistan in Hamilton on Sunday.
A stunning 99* from Mohammad Hafeez wasn't enough to help Pakistan salvage the game as New Zealand produced a fine all-round performance to seal the series in the second match at Seddon Park. Chasing 164 for a win, New Zealand were driven by the century partnership between Seifert and Williamson for the second wicket.
Seifert began with a cracking drive off Shaheen Shah Afridi in the first over, carrying his form from the first T20I into the game. Martin Guptill looked in good touch for his 21 before miscuing a pull shot to gift a catch to the deep fielder.
Williamson had a nervy edge to start off with on his return, and the duo played it safe until the end of powerplay with just 46 coming off the first six overs. It seemed to be a cue for Seifert to open up and he did so with aplomb, collecting three sixes in the first over after the Powerplay. Wahab Riaz was at the receiving end of some outstanding hitting.
Seifert completed his second half-century on the trot in the 10th over with New Zealand already scoring at a rate of nine runs per over. Williamson too kicked off from a modest start, hitting Rauf for two fours and a six off successive balls in the 13th over. He completed his half-century soon after and the run-chase seemed on track, though the visitors managed to drag it to the final over.
Earlier, Pakistan won the toss and opted to bat for the second time in as many games. New Zealand had Williamson, Boult and Southee back in the ranks while Jacob Duffy, who won the Player of the Match last game, missed out. The hosts started off well with the ball yet again. Southee was the destructor-in-chief as he sent back Haider Ali and Abdullah Shafique in the same over.
Mohammad Rizwan, who had begun with a couple of fours in Boult's opening over, found the fence a couple more times, but he couldn't carry on as Southee snared his third. The returning Kiwi pacer had Rizwan edging behind with a terrific out-swinger that shaped away late.
Hafeez picked up the pace with two fours each off Kyle Jamieson and Scott Kuggeleijn in their respective overs immediately after the powerplay. He lost Shadab Khan at the other end, but Hafeez carried on unperturbed.
He was helped on the way by some dropped catches. On 47, Devon Conway put down a sitter at deep backward square-leg when his pull off Kuggeleijn went straight to the fielder. Conway recovered quickly to fire in a throw that forced Hafeez to dive in, but he had made it safely and soon went on to complete a half-century, his fourth in the year.
Seifert and Southee - the second one a difficult return catch - also let Hafeez off the hook. He made them count with a brutal onslaught in the final few overs. From 59 off 39 after the 15th over, Hafeez raced to 99* in 57 balls, scoring 40 off his last 18 balls, including 18 in the final over by Jamieson.
163 seemed a reasonably good total by the visitors, but Seddon Park hadn't witnessed a side defending less than 185 runs in a T20I game before and New Zealand kept the record intact with an incredible run-chase.
https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1947068
A stunning 99* from Mohammad Hafeez wasn't enough to help Pakistan salvage the game as New Zealand produced a fine all-round performance to seal the series in the second match at Seddon Park. Chasing 164 for a win, New Zealand were driven by the century partnership between Seifert and Williamson for the second wicket.
Seifert began with a cracking drive off Shaheen Shah Afridi in the first over, carrying his form from the first T20I into the game. Martin Guptill looked in good touch for his 21 before miscuing a pull shot to gift a catch to the deep fielder.
Williamson had a nervy edge to start off with on his return, and the duo played it safe until the end of powerplay with just 46 coming off the first six overs. It seemed to be a cue for Seifert to open up and he did so with aplomb, collecting three sixes in the first over after the Powerplay. Wahab Riaz was at the receiving end of some outstanding hitting.
Seifert completed his second half-century on the trot in the 10th over with New Zealand already scoring at a rate of nine runs per over. Williamson too kicked off from a modest start, hitting Rauf for two fours and a six off successive balls in the 13th over. He completed his half-century soon after and the run-chase seemed on track, though the visitors managed to drag it to the final over.
Earlier, Pakistan won the toss and opted to bat for the second time in as many games. New Zealand had Williamson, Boult and Southee back in the ranks while Jacob Duffy, who won the Player of the Match last game, missed out. The hosts started off well with the ball yet again. Southee was the destructor-in-chief as he sent back Haider Ali and Abdullah Shafique in the same over.
Mohammad Rizwan, who had begun with a couple of fours in Boult's opening over, found the fence a couple more times, but he couldn't carry on as Southee snared his third. The returning Kiwi pacer had Rizwan edging behind with a terrific out-swinger that shaped away late.
Hafeez picked up the pace with two fours each off Kyle Jamieson and Scott Kuggeleijn in their respective overs immediately after the powerplay. He lost Shadab Khan at the other end, but Hafeez carried on unperturbed.
He was helped on the way by some dropped catches. On 47, Devon Conway put down a sitter at deep backward square-leg when his pull off Kuggeleijn went straight to the fielder. Conway recovered quickly to fire in a throw that forced Hafeez to dive in, but he had made it safely and soon went on to complete a half-century, his fourth in the year.
Seifert and Southee - the second one a difficult return catch - also let Hafeez off the hook. He made them count with a brutal onslaught in the final few overs. From 59 off 39 after the 15th over, Hafeez raced to 99* in 57 balls, scoring 40 off his last 18 balls, including 18 in the final over by Jamieson.
163 seemed a reasonably good total by the visitors, but Seddon Park hadn't witnessed a side defending less than 185 runs in a T20I game before and New Zealand kept the record intact with an incredible run-chase.
https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1947068
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Looking forward to how Seifert goes in the next few months and ultimately in the T20 WC. At the moment, he's looking like the best bat for NZ in this format.....by a mile.
Some of the shots he played on the onside today were quite....brutal.
Some of the shots he played on the onside today were quite....brutal.
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It is very clear - Mickey / Sarfaraz could get much better performances out of the players - created a good team environment.
Misbah / Waqar - somehow believe that they have supernatural cricketing brains but make really poor decisions and clearly are not suited for coaching.
Going to say it again - Misbah is the worst thing that could've happened to Pakistan Limited-Overs cricket. Has failed to perform as a player / captain / coach / selector.
We need Mickey / Sarfaraz back. Right now we have no chance in the upcoming WC.
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I will explain a few things to the angry Pakistani fans on this forum as best I can. It will open your eyes if you truly realize how factual the information is.
Our team is in a dire state, worse than where we were in 2016. Our reserves have dried up, and we have tried and failed at experimenting with youth in batting and bowling departments. Some have been promising, but most haven't delivered what was expected of them at any stage.
This is a very dull situation, and I'll only focus on T20I Cricket in this post.
The modern game of T20I Cricket requires fitness, awareness, energy, and skill. Bowlers must be able to bowl with a clear mind after conceding a 6, and must be mentally prepared to bowl "outside the textbook" at batsmen, who are looking for any and every possibility to score runs. One small mistake in line/length can be the difference between a dot ball and a six.
That being said, if we analyze our team based on who has the merit for selection, a few names will be on the team sheet.
Babar Azam is the best batsman we have produced since the turn of the decade, he is an absolute must. We are a minnow team without him, and we truly need him to stabilize our top order.
Shaheen Shah Afridi is also pivotal, he is everything we wished to see in a fast bowler since some of our greatest retired. He has a very bright future.
Shadab Khan is turning out to be a pretty decent all-rounder, and he has a good number of wickets and matches to be a senior player on the team.
Imad Wasim is perhaps one of our other senior players who is capable with both bat and ball.
Mohammad Hafeez has been in spectacular touch in the last few years, and his performances have removed doubt from the eyes of any people criticizing him.
Now if we look at the team from this standpoint:
Babar Azam
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Mohammad Hafeez
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-
Shadab Khan
Imad Wasim
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Shaheen Shah Afridi
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We have 5 guaranteed starters on the team, which is pretty poor. We should have at least 8 guaranteed starters on the team, but if we use this blueprint, we could make a team which could be suitable for a variety of conditions.
Opening with Babar, we have tried Abdullah and Fakhar. Both have been poor, and do not deserve any more chances until they prove themselves in domestic T20 leagues, but I'd prefer if they do so in the PSL. Looking at available options, there is a clear dearth within our domestic ranks. I see two solutions to such a problem: we can either start with a fresh player or bring back someone else. Sharjeel Khan, though I don't really like him, could be the difference we are looking for at the top of the order. If not, we can try out Zeeshan Ashraf, but Sharjeel is a decent short-term solution to our top-order woes. Both him and Babar play at KK, and should have a good understanding with one another.
Next comes our no.3 batsman. Haider Ali showed us some spark against England and against Zimbabwe, so I think that he should be given a go at no.3 to show what he is capable of.
Our no.5 and no.6 are very crucial. We need to get this part right before the T20 World Cup, taking place in India. This is why, and I don't like the idea too well, we should bring back Shoaib Malik. He rotates strike fluently, he has experience, and most importantly, he is a very good player of spin. Against the likes of Chahal, Zampa, Sodhi, Adil, and Rashid, he should be able to rotate strike and hit boundaries in the middle overs. At no.6, I'd experiment with Azam Khan. He's not very fit at this stage, but he has shere power, and we need someone who can muscle the ball over the boundary. If not him, take Sarfaraz as he can pair with Malik against the middle overs of spin bowling.
Lastly, we have our two bowling slots remaining. Personally, I like Haris Rauf, but he's too mercurial. He needs to be more consistent, but at this stage, we don't have anyone to replace him with, so I'd pick him. Wahab Riaz's time is up in T20Is, because his short ball tactics are not working now. Teams profit from short balls, and unless they are well directed, they are just free runs. I'd replace him with either Hasan Ali or Mohammad Hasnain. Both should do the trick. However, I feel as though if Wahab isn't bowling well, we can have Faheem as a front-line fast bowler who doubles up as an all-rounder. That's worth a go in my opinion.
So hopefully, our team leading up to the T20 World Cup looks like:
Babar Azam (c)
Sharjeel Khan
Haider Ali
Mohammad Hafeez
Shoaib Malik
Shadab Khan
Azam Khan
Imad Wasim
Faheem Ashraf
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Haris Rauf
This is the best team I can come up with at the moment. It's not a long-term solution, I know, but it's the best squad we can take to the T20 World Cup.
I always said that this series would be an eye-opener for us, and that's just what it turned out to be.
Our team is in a dire state, worse than where we were in 2016. Our reserves have dried up, and we have tried and failed at experimenting with youth in batting and bowling departments. Some have been promising, but most haven't delivered what was expected of them at any stage.
This is a very dull situation, and I'll only focus on T20I Cricket in this post.
The modern game of T20I Cricket requires fitness, awareness, energy, and skill. Bowlers must be able to bowl with a clear mind after conceding a 6, and must be mentally prepared to bowl "outside the textbook" at batsmen, who are looking for any and every possibility to score runs. One small mistake in line/length can be the difference between a dot ball and a six.
That being said, if we analyze our team based on who has the merit for selection, a few names will be on the team sheet.
Babar Azam is the best batsman we have produced since the turn of the decade, he is an absolute must. We are a minnow team without him, and we truly need him to stabilize our top order.
Shaheen Shah Afridi is also pivotal, he is everything we wished to see in a fast bowler since some of our greatest retired. He has a very bright future.
Shadab Khan is turning out to be a pretty decent all-rounder, and he has a good number of wickets and matches to be a senior player on the team.
Imad Wasim is perhaps one of our other senior players who is capable with both bat and ball.
Mohammad Hafeez has been in spectacular touch in the last few years, and his performances have removed doubt from the eyes of any people criticizing him.
Now if we look at the team from this standpoint:
Babar Azam
-
-
Mohammad Hafeez
-
-
Shadab Khan
Imad Wasim
-
Shaheen Shah Afridi
-
We have 5 guaranteed starters on the team, which is pretty poor. We should have at least 8 guaranteed starters on the team, but if we use this blueprint, we could make a team which could be suitable for a variety of conditions.
Opening with Babar, we have tried Abdullah and Fakhar. Both have been poor, and do not deserve any more chances until they prove themselves in domestic T20 leagues, but I'd prefer if they do so in the PSL. Looking at available options, there is a clear dearth within our domestic ranks. I see two solutions to such a problem: we can either start with a fresh player or bring back someone else. Sharjeel Khan, though I don't really like him, could be the difference we are looking for at the top of the order. If not, we can try out Zeeshan Ashraf, but Sharjeel is a decent short-term solution to our top-order woes. Both him and Babar play at KK, and should have a good understanding with one another.
Next comes our no.3 batsman. Haider Ali showed us some spark against England and against Zimbabwe, so I think that he should be given a go at no.3 to show what he is capable of.
Our no.5 and no.6 are very crucial. We need to get this part right before the T20 World Cup, taking place in India. This is why, and I don't like the idea too well, we should bring back Shoaib Malik. He rotates strike fluently, he has experience, and most importantly, he is a very good player of spin. Against the likes of Chahal, Zampa, Sodhi, Adil, and Rashid, he should be able to rotate strike and hit boundaries in the middle overs. At no.6, I'd experiment with Azam Khan. He's not very fit at this stage, but he has shere power, and we need someone who can muscle the ball over the boundary. If not him, take Sarfaraz as he can pair with Malik against the middle overs of spin bowling.
Lastly, we have our two bowling slots remaining. Personally, I like Haris Rauf, but he's too mercurial. He needs to be more consistent, but at this stage, we don't have anyone to replace him with, so I'd pick him. Wahab Riaz's time is up in T20Is, because his short ball tactics are not working now. Teams profit from short balls, and unless they are well directed, they are just free runs. I'd replace him with either Hasan Ali or Mohammad Hasnain. Both should do the trick. However, I feel as though if Wahab isn't bowling well, we can have Faheem as a front-line fast bowler who doubles up as an all-rounder. That's worth a go in my opinion.
So hopefully, our team leading up to the T20 World Cup looks like:
Babar Azam (c)
Sharjeel Khan
Haider Ali
Mohammad Hafeez
Shoaib Malik
Shadab Khan
Azam Khan
Imad Wasim
Faheem Ashraf
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Haris Rauf
This is the best team I can come up with at the moment. It's not a long-term solution, I know, but it's the best squad we can take to the T20 World Cup.
I always said that this series would be an eye-opener for us, and that's just what it turned out to be.
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Potw. I may not agree with Shoaib Malik as I would rather back a youngster instead, and Sharjeel’s fitness, plus low T20 form, plus spot fixing is a deal breaker for me, but I have the exact same thought process in building the team. You start with the confirmed starters, exactly the 5 people you mentioned, and then build a team around that.
PSL is a T20 league. Not sure what relevance test cricket has here but or what it's worth we haven't benen smashed into oblivion like minnows in Australia for the past 25 years.
You need not reply those who find a joy in others failure instead of looking at their own failure. By the way even Pak were all out for 49 against SA in 2013. At least India won the T20 SERIES against AUS on this tour and Pak lost it against NZ while they won it in 2018 under Sarfaraz and Mickey Arthur. It shows that Pak team is on a downward spiral. Comparing a low score of a test innings with a T20 series defeat is laughable as it makes no sense but its ok if it acts as a soothing balm. Its apt that Sir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] keep bashing such ppl and the ranking of Pak team in all formats vindicates it. U only start finding pleasure in other team's failure when u know that losing has become a regular phenomeon for ur own team and that wont change soon. Winning against SENA teams on their home ground will be next to immposible for Pak under current management. This team is still building after 2003 World Cup. Even Sir [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] has been repeating this. When did anyone see a settled opening pair for Pak in any format after Saeed Anwar and Amir Sohail. Every series there is a new pair in any format. Its so frustrating to see Pak only defeating minnows and playing them on a regular basis. There was a time when Cricket World feared them, but not anymore.
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When you don’t have the ability to do anything yourself, you can only talk and laugh at others.
What happened to India was really bad but they are not the first top team to get a score like this. Australia were dismissed for 49 in South Africa in 2011 and England were dismissed for 58 in New Zealand in 2017 after being 27/9.
India will continue to win matches and be one of the top 3 ranked sides while Pakistan will be looking at them and laughing from 6th or 7th position.
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We've tried youngsters, and frankly, only Haider has shown some spark. Abdullah doesn't even have any credentials to back up his selection. Till he plays in a PSL, I won't support a player being on the team on the premise of being a "youth".
The middle order desperately needs Malik. We consume too many dot balls, and if we had taken appropriate singles in the game, we'd have hit around 185 or so. Malik was very good at rotating strike, so I'll give credit where it's due. Babar was also very efficient at rotating strike.
We need Malik on the team. As for Sharjeel's spot, it's debatable. We could go for a youngster, or we could go with Sharjeel-Babar combination.
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Surprised by fans blaming the bowling attack for tonight. Sure, they were below par too, but 163 is a joke of a total on this ground. We were atleast 40 runs below par, and NZ has too much quality to be tied down by any bowling attack with such a pathetic total.
We lost, when our top order got decimated once again in the powerplay.
We lost, when our top order got decimated once again in the powerplay.
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Read that lowest total defended here was 185 so obviously batting was sub par again and there want much in bowling too to created a new lowest total defended record.
"It was brainless batting" : Shoaib Akhtar bashes Pakistan cricket team after 2nd T20I loss
"The batsmen were all over the place with the way they played their shots. It was brainless batting with complete disregard for how the pitch was behaving and what the bowlers were trying to do. You just needed to place the ball on that small ground, and it would easily have been a four," Akhtar said on PTV Sports after the Pakistan cricket team's loss.
"Even if someone has told you to play attacking cricket, it does not mean that you go out and play reckless shots. Look at Haider Ali; he smacked a six and tried to repeat his shot rather than placing the ball into gaps or play a different shot like down the ground or on the up. Abdullah Shafique was trying to play a pull shot with his head down,"said Akhtar.
"The batsmen were all over the place with the way they played their shots. It was brainless batting with complete disregard for how the pitch was behaving and what the bowlers were trying to do. You just needed to place the ball on that small ground, and it would easily have been a four," Akhtar said on PTV Sports after the Pakistan cricket team's loss.
"Even if someone has told you to play attacking cricket, it does not mean that you go out and play reckless shots. Look at Haider Ali; he smacked a six and tried to repeat his shot rather than placing the ball into gaps or play a different shot like down the ground or on the up. Abdullah Shafique was trying to play a pull shot with his head down,"said Akhtar.
