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New Zealand reach 216/5 at end of Day 2 after bowling out India for 165

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What a stroke of luck for NZ. They won a crucial toss, it was windy overcast and green when India got to bat. WHEN NZ bat the sun is out and bright and the wicket has browned out nicely turning it into a nice Phatta pancake...
yes but still what can we do about it? got to play smart now and just bat well in the second innings. Get 10 wickets as well ofcourse.
 
Why is this a surprise?

The same Indian team lost 7 away Tests out of 10 in 2018.

What is astonishing is that they STILL pitch the ball far too short.

And at Christchurch they will need to be bowling even fuller lengths.

Our bowling never disappointed like this in those 10 Tests expect one odd occasion. If it wasn't for an underperforming opening pair , We'd have even won both those Series' .
 
junaids must be onto something here. what is with the taller bowler trundling and still getting wickets?

this pitch is flat as hell now.
 
Innings victory is loading for NZ. only a matter of time..
Panuti kohli never wins toss outside India..
 
After following cricket for many years I feel Pakistan England and New zealand are always one wicket away from a collapse.
 
junaids must be onto something here. what is with the taller bowler trundling and still getting wickets?

this pitch is flat as hell now.

All the bowlers pace is a but down. Clearly the wind or a heavy track is making it very awkward to charge in full tilt.

I said before the match that Ishant was the key to India doing well on these tours. He's such a reliable bowler now. Got to respect the hard yakka he's put in over the years.

Bumrah & Shami weren't awful but clearly not at their best either. Commentators comparing them to the relentless pressure the Oz attack sustained vs NZ and these guys just bowling the odd good ball...
 
junaids must be onto something here. what is with the taller bowler trundling and still getting wickets?

this pitch is flat as hell now.

It's not as green as day 1 but honestly it's not that flat. There's enough in it if you bowl with purpose & discipline. You can't expect to win Tests if you only turn up when conditions are in your favour.
 
It's not as green as day 1 but honestly it's not that flat. There's enough in it if you bowl with purpose & discipline. You can't expect to win Tests if you only turn up when conditions are in your favour.
Exactly. Both Shami and Bumrah bowled poorly.
 
Why is this a surprise?

The same Indian team lost 7 away Tests out of 10 in 2018.

What is astonishing is that they STILL pitch the ball far too short.

And at Christchurch they will need to be bowling even fuller lengths.
They bowled way better than this in 2018 overseas tests. It was the batting that was bad.
Today both went kaput.
 
yes but still what can we do about it? got to play smart now and just bat well in the second innings. Get 10 wickets as well ofcourse.

I don't have confidence in the Indian openers they are too young and inexperienced, Kohli is out of touch. I say gracefully prepare for a defeat and congradulate the opposition
 
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Lol Pak and India fans kill it. One good game xyz players/team are the best in the world one bad game xyz players/team are worst in the world.

One bad session and the game isn't even over lol.

toss matters.

India could still score a lot in the second innings.

This team has done nothing significant since they became No1. In 2015 after S.A thrashed them in T20 and ODI series scoring 400+ in last ODI, their test team had to resort to pathetic pitches to win tests with even Elgar getting 5 wickets. When Aussies or Saffers were No 1 they used to be very good in testing conditions. Lets be honest, the only reason this Indian team is No 1 is because other teams hit decline.Now as Aussies are getting mojo back along with other teams coupled with Kohli's decline, see this team go down
 
I don't have confidence in the Indian openers they are too young and inexperienced, Kohli is out of touch. I say gracefully prepare for a defeat and congradulate the opposition
Lol.Already throwing the towel in? No wonder we don’t win much in sports in-spite of having a huge population. Teams have comeback from worse situations.
 
This team has done nothing significant since they became No1. In 2015 after S.A thrashed them in T20 and ODI series scoring 400+ in last ODI, their test team had to resort to pathetic pitches to win tests with even Elgar getting 5 wickets. When Aussies or Saffers were No 1 they used to be very good in testing conditions. Lets be honest, the only reason this Indian team is No 1 is because other teams hit decline.Now as Aussies are getting mojo back along with other teams coupled with Kohli's decline, see this team go down

You just have to be better than the rest to be no.1 in anything. And India , currently are just that. You should start rating the Aussie team too when they do something "significant" in the subcontinent. Too soon to say they got their mojo back.
 
This team has done nothing significant since they became No1. In 2015 after S.A thrashed them in T20 and ODI series scoring 400+ in last ODI, their test team had to resort to pathetic pitches to win tests with even Elgar getting 5 wickets. When Aussies or Saffers were No 1 they used to be very good in testing conditions. Lets be honest, the only reason this Indian team is No 1 is because other teams hit decline.Now as Aussies are getting mojo back along with other teams coupled with Kohli's decline, see this team go down
They have won a series in Australia. And why are you going back in 2015? Lol. We beat SA 4-1 in ODIs at their own home after that. And ‘other teams decline’ can argued in case of Australian team of 2000s too as all other teams were poor other than may be Saffers. For No.1, you just have to be better than others playing in your same era.
 
junaids must be onto something here. what is with the taller bowler trundling and still getting wickets?

this pitch is flat as hell now.

If you bowl full in the channel you will get reward for it. Indian bowlers have bowled way too short. Ishant bowled better areas than the rest and he got reward for it. The pitch still has movement to offer, you just have to pitch it up to make full use of it.
 
NZ threw it away. They had the chance to bury India but India are still in the game now.
 
This wicket has uneven bounce just when you thought its flattened out the ball does summat.
 
Believe it or not ,I was just typing "Williamson, you would've been tired, go now"...the page was not loaded and as I looked up on cricbuzz, he was dismissed....anyway..Sharma the standout bowler, followed by shami restrained well, bumrah had a bad series and Ashwin, less said the better so far.
 
Ashwin getting some turn. This game is going to get interesting. Dont think new Zealand have ran away with it just yet.
 
Good innings from Kane but threw it away. Kohli needs to attack with pace both ends. Keep our tail up.
 
Believe it or not ,I was just typing "Williamson, you would've been tired, go now"...the page was not loaded and as I looked up on cricbuzz, he was dismissed....anyway..Sharma the standout bowler, followed by shami restrained well, bumrah had a bad series and Ashwin, less said the better so far.

Which match are you watching ? Ashwin is bowling quite well given the conditions.
 
Which match are you watching ? Ashwin is bowling quite well given the conditions.

Thanks for the sarcasm. Don't even mention the name of Ashwin, tell me when he wins a match by himself/runs through a side,outside of SC. And no I don't even want to discuss about that guy.
 
Thanks for the sarcasm. Don't even mention the name of Ashwin, tell me when he wins a match by himself/runs through a side,outside of SC. And no I don't even want to discuss about that guy.

Well if Kohli prefers guys like Karn Sharma (Adelaide) and Jadeja (Durban) on helpful pitches, then there's not much he can do.

How many spinners have won a match outside the SC on non-turning wickets ?
 
NZ have to get a lead of at least 150 here. Chasing will be difficult and Ashwin will really come into play in the 4th inning. It's already turning quite a bit. The pitch may get uneven on day 5 too, so some balls may stay low or jump.
 
One of the tests should have been at Seden Park. Seden Park has the best test match pitch around the world.
 
Why is vihari not given a ball. If I remember it right, he took 2-3 wickets as a part-timer in Aus tour also.
 
Ashwin can barely get a wicket outside of India. Bumrah I would leave, he is working his way back from injury
 
As much as I don't like ashwin's selection, he bowled well after Williamson's dismissal. Hope he proves me and his detractors wrong, at least for once, for all those hopes he gave to Indian cricket followers only to let down India when all India needed were 2-3 crucial wickets in a match in overseas conditions.
 
Nice ball Ashwin. That's a quality off spinners ball- bit of drift + turn + bounce.

CDG has a big role to play here. Watling will stick around most likely- he's a barnacle. But if CDG falls India are right in this again. If he gets a score then surely then he can bat India out of the game to a large extent.
 
Well if Kohli prefers guys like Karn Sharma (Adelaide) and Jadeja (Durban) on helpful pitches, then there's not much he can do.

How many spinners have won a match outside the SC on non-turning wickets ?

Harbhajan
 
Stumps, Day 2

NZ 216/5 (71.1)

IND 165/10 (68.1)

New Zealand lead by 51 runs
 
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Stumps on day 2.

Disappointing day for us but still not out of it by any means. Morning session tomorrow will decide the outcome of the Test.
 
This team has done nothing significant since they became No1. In 2015 after S.A thrashed them in T20 and ODI series scoring 400+ in last ODI, their test team had to resort to pathetic pitches to win tests with even Elgar getting 5 wickets. When Aussies or Saffers were No 1 they used to be very good in testing conditions. Lets be honest, the only reason this Indian team is No 1 is because other teams hit decline.Now as Aussies are getting mojo back along with other teams coupled with Kohli's decline, see this team go down
most pathetic comment I have ever come across. India thrashed south africa in south africa as well. in odi's. when india is number 1 it doesn't mean others are in decline. Only a dunce would say that out of sheer jealousy.

When other teams were number 1 they also dominated via home wins.

India have been number 1 for 4 years. 4 straight and already broke Smith's record for south africa as the number 1 side.

Other so called great teams also prepare tracks to suit their team. infact india prepares the best wickets in Asia.
 
Honors are almost even. India recovered slightly.

3rd day should determine the outcome of the game.
 
Unless virat Kohli scores a triple century in the 2nd innings, I don't see India saving this test match
 
junaids must be onto something here. what is with the taller bowler trundling and still getting wickets?

this pitch is flat as hell now.

This is typical with a Kookaburra ball in NZ.

I hate the Kookaburra ball and the fact that it rewards mediocre tall quicks more than superior but shorter ones.

The thing is, while I don’t like it, I recognise it and I think teams should embrace it.

There is good news for India though. I wouldn’t want to bat last on this surface: if they can dismiss NZ for around 260 and then score at least 350, India will win.
 
Good comeback from India but Watling loves batting in these situations. He is known for scoring useful runs and a half century from him will take NZ to a score close to 300 or even past that. That will be trouble for India. India need Bumrah to get into his act otherwise the game will slip away sooner.
 
100 run lead is nothing, need to get 200 and that could be good for 3-4 wickets.
 
if india beat or draw vs this powerful n.z side then I would put this indian side as one of the greatest.

People don't realize how good n.z are at home.

India need to negate the toss factor and win or draw this series.

winning in n.z in a 2 test series is much harder than winning or drawing away in australia in a 4 test series.
 
Definitely possible.

Be realistic man. You have last recognized pair batting and only 50 ahead with new ball due in few overs.

I suspect NZ won’t get more than 100 lead

India have a foot back.

Interesting match
 
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BUMrah is clearly a fraud
Sharma can bowl but hes earned that status through years of hard graft

India really are inexcusably terrible considering the numbers and money going into their game. You would think they would have 4-5 elite cricketers in their line-up
 
BUMrah is clearly a fraud
Sharma can bowl but hes earned that status through years of hard graft

India really are inexcusably terrible considering the numbers and money going into their game. You would think they would have 4-5 elite cricketers in their line-up

dude all top bowlers go through peaks and troughs. Bumrah was clearly rushed in a bit early. He is a champion bowler. He will bounce back.
 
Be realistic man. You have last recognized pair batting and only 50 ahead with new ball due in few overs.

I suspect NZ won’t get more than 100 lead

India have a foot back.

Interesting match
I am being realistic.

100 run lead would be really disappointing. The wicket has eased up.

150 runs between Watling, CdG, Jamieson, Southee, Patel and Boult is more than possible.

Jamieson scored a century for NZ A against a full strength England bowling line up a couple months ago.
 
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I am being realistic.

100 run lead would be really disappointing. The wicket has eased up.

150 runs between Watling, CdG, Jamieson, Southee, Patel and Boult is more than possible.

Jamieson scored a century for NZ A against a full strength England bowling line up a couple months ago.

New Zealand in past have managed to take team's score from 210/5 to 350+ in the past, so no reason it's not possible. The wicket has eased out and NZ will have an edge as they go past 100 runs lead and a 150 run lead will put them in driving seat.
 
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#4 team is doing better than #1 team in home conditions.

India is the rightful #1 not because it is invincible. It is the rightful #1 because it is by far the strongest home side in the world and is also better than the rest when it comes to playing away from home.
 
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India always struggle to get rid of the middle order to tail, I am expecting NZ to put on at least 150 more runs for the remaining 5 wickets, which will be curtains for India in this match unfortunately
 
#4 team is doing better than #1 team in home conditions.

India is the rightful #1 not because it is invincible. It is the rightful #1 because it is by far the strongest home side in the world and is also better than the rest when it comes to playing away from home.

Home domination is all India has to show for, otherwise they have lost their last 8 out of 9 series in SENA. Their only SENA win came against a weak Australia.
 
colin de grandhomme will may score runs and increase lead considerably

he is surely the 2nd best test all rounder

india needed pandya or even vijay shankar. both of them are much better no. 6 s than vihari(who also bowls innocuous spin)
 
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colin de grandhomme will may score runs and increase lead considerably

he is surely the 2nd best test all rounder

india needed pandya or even vijay shankar. both of them are much better no. 6 s than vihari(who also bowls innocuous spin)

Jason Holder says hi.
 
We should have at least added a 100 runs from where we started off today, that childish run out completely messed things up for us. We can still turn it around if we could get them all out under 280. Tough but doable.
 
We should have at least added a 100 runs from where we started off today, that childish run out completely messed things up for us. We can still turn it around if we could get them all out under 280. Tough but doable.

If India strike early they can keep lead under 100. A 350 or more score in second innings can make india favorites in that case
 
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