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New Zealand v Pakistan | Match 33, World Cup | Edgbaston | June 26, 2019 | Pre-Match Discussion

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Stick with same team, Hasnain would be targeted and could be carted around for even more runs than Shaheen and Hasan.
 
Basically their batting is running on Williamson, and a bit on Taylor and CDG.
 
I'd love to find a way to get Husnain in, but don't see that happening.

Probably go with same team, hopefully they win the toss and bat first. Will need 320+ and for that you need Fakhar to fire
 
Pete Rose said:
While I would prefer we don’t play Hafeez, he does find a way to turn up against NZ sometimes. Maybe the same team, but I hope hasnain is making a stronger case in the nets
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Hafeez has to play, no two ways about it but I am hoping Hasnain gets a go instead of Shaheen.
 
Ferguson is the danger man, got to negotiate him with caution. If they don't give more than 1-2 wickets to him Pakistan chances of winning are excellent.
 
New Zealand only have two batsmen in form and two bowlers in form
Which is about the same as Pakistan
So it will be similar to a game of beach cricket

Pakistan should win but not convincingly
This should give them hope going into the July 4th match vs BD at Lords
 
Pakistan needs to follow the same template:

Same team, Win the toss, Bat first, score 280+ and let their quicker men & spinners do the rest.
Plus take their catches.

If NZ happens to bat first though, then I back NZ to win quite comfortably
 
I will be going to this match. Inshallah we win this. Hoping for a good show from the boys. I hope harris bats at 4 and Hafeez at 6. Sarfraz should come in at 5. No changes if they do make one then Husnain for Shaheen should be the one.
 
Guptill n Taylor generally play will against Pak, Williamson might fail for a change.

Also that military medium Pacer Grandhomme will pick wickets :(
 
A day before that is crucial... Outcome of that game will either lift pakistans tail up or will make them go in their shells again... Its only pakistans fielding that can be a lift or a let down on the day
 
Sin Nombre said:
Big match coming up on Wednesday with Pakistan facing unbeaten NZ in a must-win match.

NZ's biggest chink in their armour is batting fragility outside of KW. Get him out early and Pakistan will win.

What should be the bowling plan?
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Sure but pak batting is more fragile. Ross taylor is also better than any pakistani batsman
 
Hoping we bat 1st. Don't think we are good at chasing. Put the runs on the board and use our spinners to put NZ under pressure .
 
It looks like, for the first time in this World Cup we will be playing an unchanged XI. That is good for a change.

Batting first will be crucial and winning toss may well decide the result of the match, I am pretty sure both Kane and Sarfraz would be willing to bat irrespective of pitch given how difficult chasing has turned out to be generally, especially for these 2 teams.

I hope Pakistan bat firsts and scores 300+. Also, excited to see some good matchups between the players.

Babar Azam vs Trent Boult
Haris Sohail vs Lockie Ferguson
Fakhar Zaman vs Tim Southee
Mohammad Hafeez vs Mitchell Santner

Mohammad Amir vs Kane Williamson
Shaheen Afridi vs Martin Guptill
Shadab Khan vs Ross Taylor
 
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if it is a bowling pitch then kiss our WC dreams goodbye. Only way to be on top of NZ is to come out blazing. We need the openers to play out the new ball.
 
NZ look beatable but are grinding out results. We need to avoid our usual top order collapse against Trent Boult and follow the Lord's template for getting 300+ batting first on the board.
 
Kiwis are bound to lose one now playing PCT when they have already qualified can make them complacent.
 
New Zealand are due a loss and I hope it happens on Wednesday. They are more than beatable, but we will need to raise our game and can't afford to drop catches.

The key for us when bowling will be to get Williamson and Taylor out early.
 
The key will be how your batting copes with NZ bowler s. NZ have the perfect attack to destroy Pakistan - left arm swing bowler/enforcer/dibbly dobbler/ left arm spinner. I don't think NZ batting will be a threat to Pakistani bowlers. Kane is due a failure and their openers , guptill on current form, and Munro are rubbish. Unless Ross taylor decides to go berserk like he has done in the past, it's a harmless batting lineup. Normally I would say Pakistan should bat first no matter what but against this specific lineup im not sure that's a good idea. If there's something in the pitch and/or in the air, Boult usually finds and rips out 2/3 in his first spell.
 
1.Imam Ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Mohammad Hafeez
5.Haris Sohail
6.Imad Wasim
7.Sarfaraz Ahmed
8.Shadab Khan
9.Wahab Riaz
10.Mohammad Amir
11.Shaheen Afridi
 
If pakistan wants to win. they need to get wlliamson for cheap & try to make sure that they dnt give away too many wickets in first 12-15 overs. Henry, Furgeson & Boult will be the key. even neesham & CDG are bowling well. Pakistan gotta play very sensible and calculated cricket to defeat NZ. hoping for a good game.
 
This is a tough one, unless we cover all the bases we not winning.

Swing of Boult, Pace of Fergusen, Henry we may deal with. And then the fielding there is no comparison.

Batting side we gotta deal with Munro who is not in form so far but ... oh well we are famous for bringing out of form players in form. Then there is Taylor and Williamson to deal with. A lot has to go in our favor to win this. :stokes:stokes
 
zee-za-man said:
The top 3 is the key for all teams in this World Cup. Our top 3 relies on club stature player Imam and midget Babar. Need to bring in Asif to open with Fakhar. Will probably fail but the other 2 are'nt doing wonders anyways and are of amateur level.
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This guy deserve Nobel prize
#Salute
 
Lets hope are batting fires as the kiwis bowlers are more than capable of destroying our batting line up
 
Considering SA only scored 241 on this ground and NZ almost failed to chase it down, one gets feeling this might be low scoring.
 
Hasnain should play - I do not think he can do any worse than Afridi.
 
Toughest match for Pakistan pace and swing of NZ will too much specially if we chase.

Expecting a miracle
 
coy0607 said:
I'd love to find a way to get Husnain in, but don't see that happening.

Probably go with same team, hopefully they win the toss and bat first. Will need 320+ and for that you need Fakhar to fire
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1. Fakhar
2. Imam
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. Sarfraz
6. Imad
7. Shadab
8. Wahab
9. Amir
10. Shaheen
11. Husnain
 
Weneed early wickets or we are doomed!
Only chance is to replace shaheen with husnain and give him 2 slips no mater how many runs he leaks!
 
Wahab & Shadab will destroy kiwi batting lineup. They will collapse under 160. We will either win by 110 runs or chase it down in 25 overs. Mark my words.
 
Obaidd said:
Prof was MOM in our only other win. Plus Asif is not even a hit and miss player.
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U know He only bats when he's given a chance... Yesterday again i thought he may score runs when De Kock dropped him of tahir when he was just 2... So yea keep an eye on that if ur Hafeez supporter... Don't forget the dolly that was dropped by Roy when he scored against england when he got MoM
 
Asif ali & fakhar’s name should be first names in the team. Tired of these 75 s/r accumulators in this day & age, even then they only make 40.

Bat around fakhar & asif should have a platform of 290/320
 
Any idea about weather and pitch will be like the same type of pitch when New Zealand played South Africa
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The key will be how your batting copes with NZ bowler s. NZ have the perfect attack to destroy Pakistan - left arm swing bowler/enforcer/dibbly dobbler/ left arm spinner. I don't think NZ batting will be a threat to Pakistani bowlers. Kane is due a failure and their openers , guptill on current form, and Munro are rubbish. Unless Ross taylor decides to go berserk like he has done in the past, it's a harmless batting lineup. Normally I would say Pakistan should bat first no matter what but against this specific lineup im not sure that's a good idea. If there's something in the pitch and/or in the air, Boult usually finds and rips out 2/3 in his first spell.
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You have summarized NZ bowling and Pak’s weakness in batting pretty well. :rabada2
 
Hopefully the team starts playing well, I don't think we've played good cricket this WC. With the biggest games coming, we need to find some form.
 
Aman said:
Hopefully the team starts playing well, I don't think we've played good cricket this WC. With the biggest games coming, we need to find some form.
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NZ have amazing depth. We will have to play our best match to win.
 
hitthestump said:
Pakistan basically have an 11 man squad for the rest of the WC

Asif - Liability in the field, can't play him
Hasan - Completely lost his rhythm and control
Hasnain - Too young
Malik - Lol

Same team will have to play every game from here on in.
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Asif is generally a very good fielder. Seen him take some sharp chances.
 
Aman said:
Keep Henry, just don't bowl him at the death. Everyone knows he sucks bowling at the death.
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That is true, Boult and Ferguson should be New Zealand's main death bowling options with Henry bowling most of his overs at the start and in the middle.

Any chances of Tom Blundell and Ish Sodhi getting a game in coming matches, with New Zealand all set to qualify?
 
NZ is one tough cookie.

Their bowling attack of Boult, Henry, Ferguson, De Grandhomme (yes I know he looks innocuous but he is good enough) and Santner will throttle Pakistan like no tomorrow.

I wouldn't be surprised that if we win this, we will probably reach semis.

However if we lose, our troughs are so low, I believe Bangladesh will also have our number.
 
mak36 said:
Asif is generally a very good fielder. Seen him take some sharp chances.
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Asif and Haris are our worst fielder currently. Strange I did not notice Haris's fielding good or bad at the last match even though I was there in the ground. Maybe he was substituted often by Hasan Ali.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
NZ is one tough cookie.

Their bowling attack of Boult, Henry, Ferguson, De Grandhomme (yes I know he looks innocuous but he is good enough) and Santner will throttle Pakistan like no tomorrow.

I wouldn't be surprised that if we win this, we will probably reach semis.

However if we lose, our troughs are so low, I believe Bangladesh will also have our number.
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Only Ferguson and Boult would be threat to Pak. Santner would be easy picking for Pak. I am more worried about their batting of KW, Taylor, Guptil, Grandhomme, Neesham.
 
saeed5646 said:
Nz is due for poor match .hopefully it is against us
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NZ have been a long way from their best in every game, but still managed to win them all.

The real fear for Pakistan, what will happen if NZ play to their actual potential and the likes of Guptill and Munro fire up top and Williamson and Taylor don't have to consolidate, and then the middle order big hitters like de Granhomme and Neesham can put the icing on top.
 
Mueez said:
It is worth a try tbh.

Kiwis fear express-pace.
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Haha no they don't. This isn't 1992 anymore, NZ have many batsmen up to facing real pace, from Guptill, to Williamson,.to Taylor, to Latham.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
Pakistan can win this.

Key wicket is Williamson.

I think NZ has been very lucky with their schedule this tournament. WI almost took them down.
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Firstly the schedule is the same for every team, you play everyone. So this is such a stupid argument.

Secondly, why is it NZ get criticized for close wins when sides like Pakistan, England lose? Since when are close wins worse than losses?

According to most Pakistan fans in this thread NZ shouldn't even bother turning up, I'm surprised at the supreme confidence, especially considering NZ is a higher ranked ODI side and have been for a long time.
 
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New Zealand to bat first and set a target between 220 to 270 and Pakistan will chase it in last 3 overs with 3 to 5 wickets in hand.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
That is true, Boult and Ferguson should be New Zealand's main death bowling options with Henry bowling most of his overs at the start and in the middle.

Any chances of Tom Blundell and Ish Sodhi getting a game in coming matches, with New Zealand all set to qualify?
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I can see Nicols coming in for Munro, Ish if the conditions require 2 spinners.
 
Unlike india and australia who pakistan fear playing in world cups, for some crazy reason pakistan don't fear playing england or NZ in world cups, no matter how good they are!
I guess it is down to previous results in world cups!

My prediction - pak win but will be a very tough battle!
 
Forecast looking good for tomorrow's game in Birmingham.

Bham.jpg
 
With rain today and a cloudy, muggy start tomorrow it will be very interesting how the pitch plays and what they decide at the toss.
 
Boi said:
With rain today and a cloudy, muggy start tomorrow it will be very interesting how the pitch plays and what they decide at the toss.
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If we lose toss we lose the game. I can't believe Pakistani fans still talk about that. Give me one good successful chase we've done under extreme pressure. We have to bat first, make a good score and get them out. If they even make 250 we are not chasing that. People said the same thing against India citing conditins and weather whenever I'd say we should bat first. How did that turn out? Bat first!
 
Sin Nombre said:
Big match coming up on Wednesday with Pakistan facing unbeaten NZ in a must-win match.

NZ's biggest chink in their armour is batting fragility outside of KW. Get him out early and Pakistan will win.

What should be the bowling plan?
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Bowling plan is do what the oppo least expect you - play mo hasnain - dude has pace, will unsettle the NZ batsmen...munro and guptil on current form are average, Ross taylor is in middling form, Get rid of KW and you have a massive chance......i'd go with hasnain and tell him to bowl round the wicket into the body of the kiwi batsmen-he has the pace and he can deliver-the management and captain have to give him the confidence....
also NZ have not convincingly won against BD, SL, SAF, WI ......i just feel ripe for the picking for pak...
also get your power hitter Ali in.....he has to do a maxwell/pandya/braithwaite/de gron....the 46 off 21 type innings....good luck pak from an indian fan :)
 
Aman said:
I can see Nicols coming in for Munro, Ish if the conditions require 2 spinners.
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I'd doubt edg in birmingham is a two spinner pitch....if any it would be true bounce.....lockie F would thrive....pak need to fit in hasnain....that would be exciting...
 
I think the key players for NZ will be Matt Henry and Martin Guptill. Henry normally takes lots of wickets against Pakistan and all Asian teams. If Guptill scores big it is like a free win.

Hopefully NZ can bat first to get batsmen in to form since we have mostly been chasing smaller scores, but if its overcast we should bowl because Boult and Henry can do major damage.
 
25 June - Birmingham - New Zealand player Mitchell Santner pre-match press conference

Q. Of course you're at the top of the table and all teams are dangerous, but how dangerous do you think the Pakistan team is, especially in terms of their bowling strength?

MITCHELL SANTNER: Yeah, I think they're very dangerous. Obviously, they've had a pretty good record over here. They won the Champions Trophy a couple of years ago, and they've come off a pretty good win against South Africa. We're at the top at the moment, but we can't take any games lightly. Obviously, for us, we need to prepare accordingly for tomorrow.

Q. When you woke up this morning and looked out the window and saw that it was raining again, was it a bit of a case of deja vu, and how did you prepare for that, given it's a swimming pool out there on the field today?
MITCHELL SANTNER: Yeah, I think we've come to expect a little bit in Birmingham that it's going to rain. Yeah, obviously, it's never ideal to go indoors, but you've got to, I guess, prepare accordingly. I think the weather forecast is pretty good for tomorrow. So I think we should obviously prepare like we would any other day, and obviously not think about the rain too much and get on with it tomorrow.

Q. You guys have played at Edgbaston before. Pakistan hasn't. Is that going to give you an edge when it comes to knowing what that pitch is like? And do you think the pitch would have changed over the course of the last week?
MITCHELL SANTNER: Yeah, I think, obviously, it was probably a little bit slower than we thought last game here. Obviously, they've had a bit of time to, I guess, bring it back up. Saying that, though, it's under covers again today. So we're not sure what it's going to be or how different or similar it will be. Obviously, we have to, I guess, make that decision out there tomorrow and adapt like we have been doing throughout the competition. Pakistan are going to have to do the same.

Q. Mitchell, the last match, New Zealand was struggling against spin bowlers. Pakistan have some very good spin bowlers. How do you see tomorrow's match? Will it be a threat, Pakistan's spin bowling, for New Zealand?
MITCHELL SANTNER: Yeah, I think so. Their bowling attack on the whole is very good. They've got some very good seam bowlers as well as spin bowlers. I guess going off the last game here, it did spin a little bit. So we have to obviously prepare like it might do that, but then seeing that the pitch might be better, I think it might be better than it was last time.

We've played Pakistan a lot recently. We played them in New Zealand, which are similar conditions to over here. We're aware of their strengths, and I think Wahab back into their team is very good for them. Amir is bowling very well as well. We can't take them lightly, and we'll have to prepare accordingly.

Q. How difficult is it to prepare against a team like Pakistan, which is known for being unpredictable? They are one moment up, other moment down. Is it difficult to prepare against a team like that?
MITCHELL SANTNER: Yeah, I guess you have to prepare like they're going to come out and play their best cricket. I guess we've seen early in this tournament they've taken down big sides. They took down England and took down South Africa the other day. When they're hot, they're really hot. We have to, obviously, find ways of trying to cool them down when they're like that.

Yeah, I guess we're playing pretty good cricket as well, so I think we're in for a pretty good match tomorrow.

Q. Mitch, having bowled the way you have, do you feel the wickets column doesn't do justice to what you've done?
MITCHELL SANTNER: Yeah, I guess a little bit. I guess the wickets have been pretty flat, and I guess the job of the spinner is to build pressure up through the middle there. I think I've done a pretty good job of that. If the wickets are falling at the other end, that's fine.

It's a team game, and I guess the way our bowling, textbook bowling as a whole, has been pretty good. We've been able to take wickets throughout each period, and I guess that's why we've had to chase some lower scores. But, yeah, I guess that could all change tomorrow hopefully.

Q. It's not been a good World Cup for spinners generally, finger spinners especially. What do you think you do differently from others. Your community is under fire. What do you think you bring differently to other finger spinners?
MITCHELL SANTNER: Yeah, I guess it's quite hard when the pitches aren't offering a lot in terms of spin. I guess you have to use your variations and change your speed more often than not. Try to keep the batsman guessing, and I guess the way Shakib bowled yesterday, he got 5-fer against and bowled very well.

I guess it's one of those things that through the middle it's about trying to find ways to still take wickets when teams are trying to get to that 30 over mark, maybe two or three down. I think the use of a spinner in the back ten, we've seen more and more in this tournament and trying to get wickets through that way.

But I guess the team as a whole, our bowling attack has been doing very well. We've taken wickets up top, and I guess continually trying to take wickets through the middle is very important.

Q. Kane Williamson has back to back 100s. Just how crucial is he to your team?
MITCHELL SANTNER: Very. Yeah, obviously, like you said, he's coming off two 100s, and the one against South Africa the other night was pretty special. It didn't look, I guess, as fluid, his innings, but that's what made it so good. He was there at the end when we needed him. Obviously, the other day it was his highest score in ODI cricket.

So the guys batting around him have been pretty good as well. I guess that's our blueprint is to try to take it deep, try to be two or three down after 30 Os, and then trying to catch up from there until the last ten. On the way, the likes of Kane and Ross have done that.

I guess most of our games we're trying to set scores, it's been pretty good. I guess, if we can do something similar tomorrow and try to set up a big last ten overs, like we've seen the other teams do in this tournament, it's going to be good for trying to set some big scores.

Q. Mitch, for a proud cricketing nation like New Zealand, how important it is to win a World Cup title?
MITCHELL SANTNER: Yeah, pretty good considering we haven't done it yet. So that would be nice. But, yeah, I think we're in a pretty good spot at the moment. We've got to not get ahead of ourselves and look too far ahead. We've got to play each game as it comes. We want to be winning every game, not just trying to make the semis. I guess a factor of where the semis will be played is pretty important as well.

So I guess for us, we've just got to look for the next game coming up, and that's Pakistan, and do what we do and, I guess, do our scouting and stuff accordingly to be at our best come tomorrow.

Q. Mitchell, you've already edged a couple of tight games in this Cricket World Cup. I guess a question in two parts. First, what is it about this side that gives it the edge in those kinds of scenarios, do you feel? And second, how much confidence does that give you edging those kinds of games that you're able to kind of push on and get to the latter stages and potentially win this thing?
MITCHELL SANTNER: I guess, you look at our side as a whole, we're quite a scrappy side, and we pride ourselves on winning those little moments, like I guess we have been, and saying that, we could have been on the other end of a couple of those games. I guess we're sitting here without -- we haven't lost a game yet.

But like you said, we've had a couple of tight games, which I guess the key so far is other people have been stepping up, and I guess that's what you want to do as a team. You want everyone to step up at different times throughout the tournament, and I think that's what we've found so far. We haven't relied on a few guys to do the bulk of the work, but in saying that, being on the winning side of those tight encounters give the whole squad confidence.

So that's nice, obviously, to going into each game, that you know you've got confidence. The team, other people are standing up at different times, and you can back everyone to do a job rather than just relying on a couple of key players.

Q. So you mentioned for the conditions in New Zealand, they're quite similar to that in the UK. How do you think assessing the conditions and being used to them has been important in your campaign this year?
MITCHELL SANTNER: Yeah, I think it's very important for, I guess, every team to be able to adapt to different conditions as fast as they can. We've seen throughout this tournament every pitch has been different. There was obviously a lot of talk about them all being flat and everyone scoring 400, but with the UK summer and the rain around, it hasn't been that way.

Yes, I think -- I guess it's about assessing out there, when you're out there, what a good score is, what a defendable score is. I think we've seen maybe a couple times teams have been looking for 350, where maybe 300 is a good score, and falling about to 270. So it's about, I guess, trying to find that good score when you're out there and then playing accordingly.

So I think the team that can adapt the quickest is in pretty good stead to win the game.
 
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CrIc_Mystique said:
Bowling plan is do what the oppo least expect you - play mo hasnain - dude has pace, will unsettle the NZ batsmen...munro and guptil on current form are average, Ross taylor is in middling form, Get rid of KW and you have a massive chance......i'd go with hasnain and tell him to bowl round the wicket into the body of the kiwi batsmen-he has the pace and he can deliver-the management and captain have to give him the confidence....
also NZ have not convincingly won against BD, SL, SAF, WI ......i just feel ripe for the picking for pak...
also get your power hitter Ali in.....he has to do a maxwell/pandya/braithwaite/de gron....the 46 off 21 type innings....good luck pak from an indian fan :)
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Agree with your comments.

Thanks and much love!
 
Watch out for Mitch Santner Edgbaston will be low and slow

Bat first and confidently put a good show Inshallah the jazba will help us prevail :messi
 
One of pak sports channel is already showing promo for husnain which say good luck for tomorrow game .He might play tomorrow
 
Zaman
Hafeez
Azam
Haris
Malik
Sarfaraz
Imad
Shadab
Wahab
Amir
Hasnain
 
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Shaheen doesn't look fully fit and confident. Husnain is a must for this game! Hafeez can throw in a few overs if Husnain doesn't do too well. The rest 4 should bowl out their full quota. Husnain in for sure, can prove to be the wild card and we'll need that against New Zealand. Can't see Shaheen having a great impact.
 
I think we should have a punt with Harry bowling a few overs as well. So something like Shadab and Imad bowling out their 10 and share 2-3 wickets between them. Then Prof bowls about 5 overs and Harry 3 overs with ideally one or more wickets. This will also cover some of the pacers overs if Hasan/Shaheen/Hasnain are going the distance.
 
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