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New Zealand vs England | Final, World Cup | Lord's | 14th Jul, 2019 | Pre-Match Discussion Thread

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Rooting for England.

England! Just smash these players CDG, Tayler, Santner and Guptill
 
Wicket is apparently greener than expected.

I think back to all the 10.30AM starts at Lord's in those Natwest finals (and indeed 99 WC final) that've ended disasterously for the sides batting first. If anybody can extract something from conditions - it's Trent Boult.

Then again, teams have had a major advantage batting first in this World Cup.
 
Does anybody want New Zealand to win but realize England winning would be better for the game?

New Zealand is a small country that has always impressed in tournaments and I'm sure most of us want them to win especially because Williamson just seems like a nice guy and the kiwis aren't arrogant or whiny as the English but I realize England winning be so much better for the game. If England win the homeland of cricket would be world champions, this would give the game a big push in the UK. England is a much bigger market of 55 million vs 5 million in NZ, England also much more influence around the world especially in Europe and across the Atlantic in North America. If New Zealand win it'd make a great story but it wouldn't do much for the expansion of the game, it may see the game get more popular on the tiny pacific islands that are home to just a few thousand people but nothing compared to the scale of England are capable of doing if they end up becoming world champions. Of course the British media will be unbearable for the next 4 but I guess that will be good for the game cause at least it'll be getting some attention.
 
Yea England winning it for the first time will be doing greater good for the game, not only due to it's much larger population but also because of their Worldwide influence which is many times large than Tiny Isolated New Zealand.

Also, since the popularity of the Sport itself is dwindling in England, it would provide the Sport a much needed lift up.

So, England it shall be.
 
If Ashed 05 did nothing for the sport popularity then I am afraid this world cup win will not do either
 
Pakistanian said:
New Zealand is a small country that has always impressed in tournaments and I'm sure most of us want them to win especially because Williamson just seems like a nice guy and the kiwis aren't arrogant or whiny as the English but I realize England winning be so much better for the game. If England win the homeland of cricket would be world champions, this would give the game a big push in the UK. England is a much bigger market of 55 million vs 5 million in NZ, England also much more influence around the world especially in Europe and across the Atlantic in North America. If New Zealand win it'd make a great story but it wouldn't do much for the expansion of the game, it may see the game get more popular on the tiny pacific islands that are home to just a few thousand people but nothing compared to the scale of England are capable of doing if they end up becoming world champions. Of course the British media will be unbearable for the next 4 but I guess that will be good for the game cause at least it'll be getting some attention.
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Yes. Was thinking of this earlier.
 
Pakistanian said:
New Zealand is a small country that has always impressed in tournaments and I'm sure most of us want them to win especially because Williamson just seems like a nice guy and the kiwis aren't arrogant or whiny as the English but I realize England winning be so much better for the game. If England win the homeland of cricket would be world champions, this would give the game a big push in the UK. England is a much bigger market of 55 million vs 5 million in NZ, England also much more influence around the world especially in Europe and across the Atlantic in North America. If New Zealand win it'd make a great story but it wouldn't do much for the expansion of the game, it may see the game get more popular on the tiny pacific islands that are home to just a few thousand people but nothing compared to the scale of England are capable of doing if they end up becoming world champions. Of course the British media will be unbearable for the next 4 but I guess that will be good for the game cause at least it'll be getting some attention.
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Don't care. Still want NZ to win.
 
Five talking points as New Zealand and England go head-to-head for World Cup glory

History is going to be made on Sunday, regardless of the result in the ICC Men’s Cricket Word Cup final at Lord’s.

Neither England nor New Zealand have ever tasted victory on the big stage before so there will be a new name on the trophy tomorrow night.

And there are so many subplots to keep an eye on as Eoin Morgan’s side take on a Black Caps team that only four years ago served as the inspiration for England’s white-ball revolution.

CAPTAIN MARVELS

Where better to start than with the skippers?

Morgan and Kane Williamson are of a similarly calm and confident disposition and back their charges to go out and play with freedom, regardless of the context.

Williamson also happens to be the best batsman in the Black Caps side and indeed one of the very best in world cricket.

Only once has he been dismissed for less than 40 this World Cup, and that came against England in Durham earlier this month courtesy of an extremely fortunate run out.

His tons against South Africa and West Indies anchored a misfiring Black Caps batting line-up and make him undoubtedly the key wicket on Sunday.

Morgan might not have the weight of runs that Williamson does, but his influence is arguably even bigger on this England side.

He smashed 17 sixes against Afghanistan, and hit the winning runs against Australia in the semi-final on Thursday, but it is the way he captains that really makes this England team tick.

It was Morgan who encouraged his England side to get back to their aggressive best after their mid-tournament wobble and it was Morgan who went for the jugular on Thursday, with attacking fields and bowling changes to finish off Australia before they got a chance to rebuild.

The captain of England at their lowest ebb four years ago in New Zealand, there would be a pleasing symmetry if the Middlesex man was holding the trophy aloft on Sunday on his home ground against those self-same opponents.

BOULT FROM THE BLUE

Lockie Ferguson might have taken the most wickets for New Zealand at this tournament.

And Matt Henry was the man to run through the Indian top order on Wednesday in the semi-final.

But it was Trent Boult who got the prized wicket of Virat Kohli and who carries the key on Sunday at Lord’s.

The left-armer is up to 17 scalps this tournament and will be itching to get back to the home of cricket and get at the England top order.

England came unstuck on this ground in the group stages to Australia, and it was the left-armers of Mitchell Starc and Jason Behrendorff that did the damage.

Boult will be licking his lips at the prospect of swinging the ball back in down the slope to Jason Roy and Jonny Bairstow, and will have a point to prove after those same openers got England off to such a good start in Durham in the group stage meeting.

Boult has a hat-trick on this ground already this World Cup, and if they are to have any chance of restricting England on Sunday, he will need to take wickets in the first powerplay.

That has been his calling card for the last four years, and he is one of five men who have experienced a World Cup final before in the Black Caps side.

If he can bring that knowledge to bear on Sunday, New Zealand give themselves a proper chance of making history.

HOME OF CRICKET

It will be a fresh pitch for the final on Sunday but it pays to know your history – both recent and distant – at the Home of Cricket.

All four group stage games played at Lord’s were won by the team that batted first – and all four were in emphatic style.

The margin of victory for the four wins were 49 runs, 64 runs, 86 runs and 94 runs.

Both finalists played Australia at Lord’s and lost, and will be eager to set the record straight.

The toss could be all important but the Black Caps can take heart.

England’s dominant ODI record on home soil is not quite so impressive at Lord’s where they have won three and lost three of their last six 50-over clashes.

The last time these two sides met here in an ODI was back in 2013, and it was the Black Caps who won by five wickets.

Ross Taylor and Williamson remain from that Black Caps side while the England team included Morgan, Joe Root, Jos Buttler and Chris Woakes.

What New Zealand would give for a repeat of that victory.

JASON AND JOS

Jason Roy and Jos Buttler open the batting for England in t20 cricket.

They have found themselves separated at the top and middle of the order in the 50-over format.

But if either of them hit the accelerator for England on Sunday, the Black Caps are going to be in trouble.

It has been a World Cup of highs and lows for both of them.

England’s wicket-keeper and vice-captain, Buttler kicked off the tournament with a century against Pakistan and a fifty against Bangladesh.

But since then the 28-year-old has failed to fire, with no score beyond 25 in his subsequent five innings.

By contrast Roy has been hitting his straps since the start of the tournament – he smashed 153 against Bangladesh in Cardiff and back to back to back 50s in England’s last three-must win encounters.

However, in between a torn hamstring sidelined the opener and coincided with England’s mid-tournament crisis.

But when Buttler or Roy pass 50 in ODIs, England invariably win. So if Morgan can get his two big names firing on Sunday – the Lord’s crowd are in for a show.

RECENT HISTORY

England were too strong for the Black Caps earlier this month at Chester-le-Street.

Bairstow replicated his heroics from the India game with another century and New Zealand were always up against it from then on.

But while that was an emphatic win, it is worth remembering that Lockie Ferguson missed out with a niggle and the Black Caps’ top wicket taker will be firing in at full speed on Sunday.

Go further back and the clashes between these two teams are nearly always instant classics.

Think of Ross Taylor smashing 181 on one leg in Dunedin last year or Bairstow edging England over the line and announcing himself on the ODI scene in Durham four years ago.

The last two ODI series between the sides have been won by England 3-2 – there is not much between them.

And it was against New Zealand at Edgbaston four years ago that England’s revolution under Morgan and Trevor Bayliss began.

Roy was out first ball, slashing to point on his ODI debut, but England were undaunted and Buttler creamed a century as they passed 400.

The Black Caps didn’t get near, and the blueprint for England’s four-year plan was firmly in place.

If the culmination looks anything like the creation, then they will be dancing in the streets of St John’s Wood on Sunday.
 
New Zealand vs England head to head – how the two finalists match up

Whatever happens at Lord’s on Sunday there will be a new team lifting the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup trophy.

Either hosts England at the Home of Cricket or New Zealand, in their second successive final, will be celebrating.

The tenth meeting between the two teams in ICC Men’s Cricket World Cups will undoubtedly be the most important, with New Zealand holding the most slender of leads.

If England are looking for good omens though, they can reflect on their record against the Kiwis over the last four years since their World Cup nadir in Wellington.

RECENT MEETINGS

Eoin Morgan has been quite open about the importance in England’s eight-wicket loss to New Zealand in the 2015 World Cup on their journey to becoming the world’s No.1 side.

Since then, England have come out on top in eight of the 12 meetings with the Black Caps, including a 3-2 series victory in New Zealand last winter.

They also got the better of the Black Caps in the group stage of this World Cup, their first success against New Zealand in a World Cup since 1983.

Perhaps the most important of the victories over the last four years came at Edgbaston however. Joe Root and Jos Buttler both hit centuries as England made 408/9 on their way to a 210-run victory against the Kiwis that sparked England’s white-ball revolution in June 2015.

Morgan will be hoping the journey that began in Wellington and truly began at Edgbaston is crowned at Lord’s.

FLETCHER FIRES IN OPENER

The teams first faced off in the inaugural ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup, with Keith Fletcher and Tony Greig combining to set England on course for victory.

New Zealand had won the toss at Trent Bridge and elected to bowl, but came to regret that as Fletcher scored 131 to help England to a formidable total of 266/6.

Despite 55 from John Morrison, New Zealand never really threatened to chase it down, with Greig taking 4/45 in an 80-run success.

Both teams qualified for the semi-finals, with neither progressing to the final, won by the West Indies.

KIWIS RUN OUT OF SEMI-FINAL

Four years later the teams met again, this time at the semi-final stage in the closest World Cup encounter between the two.

At Old Trafford, New Zealand again elected to field, and despite half-centuries from Mike Brearley and Graham Gooch, restricted England to 221/8.

John Wright batted very well on his way to 69 in the chase, but he was run out going for a second that was not on, and skipper Mark Burgess suffered the same fate 20 runs later.

Mike Hendrick also chipped in with 3/55 as England edged to a nine-run victory and a place in the World Cup final for the first time. There, they suffered the same fate as Australia four years earlier, losing to the West Indies.

THE 1983 SPLIT

The World Cup was held in England for the third time in 1983, with England and New Zealand drawn in the same group.

Allan Lamb scored a century in the first meeting at The Oval, helping England to 322/6 and while Martin Crowe scored 97 in the chase, England ran out 106-run winners to make it three wins from three against the Kiwis in World Cups.

New Zealand finally got their first success against England in a World Cup in the second meeting in the group stages at Edgbaston, England batting first yet again as David Gower’s unbeaten 92 and Graeme Fowler’s 69 helping them to 234.

Skipper Geoff Howarth made 60 and Jeremy Coney an unbeaten 66 in reply as New Zealand snuck home by two wickets with one ball to spare.

Despite that victory, it was England who emerged from the group stages, before falling to eventual champions India in the semi-final.

HOME COMFORTS

After four meetings in England, the teams then faced off in New Zealand for the first time at a World Cup in Wellington in 1992.

While England would go on to reach the final, it was the Black Caps who got the better of the group stage meeting.

England were held to just 200/8, New Zealand employing the unusual strategy of opening the bowling with spinner Dipak Patel. He took 2/26 as England struggled to make a competitive total, despite Graeme Hick’s 56.

Andrew Jones and Martin Crowe then put on 108 in reply as New Zealand cruised to a seven-wicket victory, Jones out for 78 and Crowe seeing them over the line with 73 not out.

That was New Zealand’s seventh win from seven in the group stages, but they lost their last match to Pakistan, who then repeated the trick in the semi-final before turning over England in the final.

BLACK CAPS ON A ROLL

New Zealand made it four straight wins over England in World Cups with successes in 1996 and then 2007.

In 1996 Nathan Astle made 101 in an 11-run success in Ahmedabad, with both teams eventually going out in the quarter-finals.

And after an 11-year wait, the Black Caps again ran out winners in 2007 in St Lucia by six wickets. England had looked in good shape when they reduced New Zealand to 19/3 chasing 210, but Scott Styris (87 not out) and Jacob Oram (63 not out) put on 138 for the fifth wicket to see their side home.

That victory helped New Zealand into the semi-finals of the 2007 World Cup, where they lost to Sri Lanka, while England failed to get out of the Super Eights.

THE LOW POINT

Four years ago Tim Southee enjoyed arguably his greatest day as an international cricketer as he tore through the English batting line-up in an eight-wicket success.

Southee’s figures of 7/33 remain the best ever by a New Zealander at a World Cup, with England bowled out for just 123.

Brendon McCullum showed no mercy in the chase, scoring an 18-ball half-century on his way to 77 in a thumping victory.

New Zealand carried that momentum all the way to a first final, while England failed to reach the last eight.

ENGLAND’S REVENGE?

So having won the first three World Cup meetings with New Zealand, England lost the next five prior to the group stage clash in Durham at the start of July.

The English needed a win to clinch a place in the semi-finals, and batted brilliantly after winning the toss to make 305/8. Jonny Bairstow made 106, adding 123 for the first wicket with Jason Roy who scored 60.

New Zealand’s reply was dealt an early blow with Henry Nicholls departing in the first over, and their chances suffered further when Kane Williamson was run out backing up on 27 after Mark Wood got a fingertip onto the stumps from a Ross Taylor drive.

Despite Tom Latham’s 57, New Zealand never threatened to chase it down, eventually falling to a 119-run defeat.

As Australia showed four years ago, defeat to your final opposition in the group stage is not fatal to a team’s chances.

New Zealand will be hoping history repeats itself in that regard. England will just want to level their World Cup head-to-head with the Black Caps.
 
Feel, its England's match to loose....they are in red hot form....most players have fired in the tournament....home conditions...their best ever chance...
For NZ - they have to put up an inspired display....phases of real diamond madness that sucks 4 wickets in a cluster or 75 qicko runs or absolute desperate fielding much like in semis against india....and yeah....the top order esp guptil needs to take on eng....maybe today is the day...
all in all it will be an excellent match....as a neutral i go for NZ....lets have a match worthy of finals
 
WC started in May. Finally, it is ending. It has been a very long WC (close to 50 days).

If NZ bats first, they will hope to score 280+. If they score that much, they can win.

If NZ bats second, they will have to restrict England below 250. Anything above 250 should be difficult for NZ (considering their batting form).

Ideally, NZ would want to bat first because they have higher chance of winning if they bat first.
 
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