New Zealand vs Pakistan | 1st T20I | Christchurch | March 16 | Pre-Match Discussion

[The Bald Eagle]

Pakistan is set to face New Zealand in a five-match T20I series starting on March 16 at Hagley Oval, Christchurch. The series is part of Pakistan's tour, which includes three ODIs and concludes on April 5. Pakistan's T20I squad is led by Salman Ali Agha, while New Zealand will be captained by Michael Bracewell due to IPL commitments affecting their regular players. The series marks an important opportunity for Pakistan to rebuild after recent setbacks and prepare for upcoming international tournaments.

Squads:

New Zealand: Michael Bracewell (capt), Finn Allen, Mark Chapman, Jacob Duffy, Zakary Foulkes (games 4 & 5), Mitchell Hay, Matt Henry (games 4 & 5), Kyle Jamieson (games 1, 2 & 3), Daryl Mitchell, James Neesham, Will O'Rourke (games 1, 2 & 3), Tim Robinson, Ben Sears, Tim Seifert, Ish Sodhi

Pakistan: Salman Ali Agha (capt), Shadab Khan Abbas Afridi, Abdul Samad, Abrar Ahmed, Haris Rauf, Hasan Nawaz, Irfan Khan, Jahandad Khan, Khushdil Shah, Mohammad Ali, Mohammad Haris, Omair Bin Yousaf, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Sufiyan Muqeem, Usman Khan.

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[jnaveen1980]

Waiting to see "New bold" approach from Pakistan

 

[Kianig89]

The Dashing and Aggressive Pakistan team, finally prayers of many fans answered.

 

[Devadwal]

No cricket till 21 march so waiting for This series .

Usman khan era is going to start with This series. He has no excuse to not perform as NZ top players are missing due to IPL .

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Test 1 for Pak T20 team without the most successful opening duo in T20 history of Rizwan and Babar. I will be closely watching to see Agha motivate the team with his 70 SR.

 

[Kianig89]

Test 1 for Pak T20 team without the most successful opening duo in T20 history of Rizwan and Babar. I will be closely watching to see Agha motivate the team with his 70 SR.

@Rana , take note the onus in on you!

 

[Rana]

@Rana , take note the onus in on you!

The onus is on me for what? 16 off 26?

 

[Kianig89]

The onus is on me for what? 16 off 26?

No 15 from 23 , the rattlesnake

 

[ask_analyse_act]

No cricket till 21 march so waiting for This series .

Usman khan era is going to start with This series. He has no excuse to not perform as NZ top players are missing due to IPL .

I know u r being sarcastic.. he is a certified gully mohala player to get a chance at int'l level.... the person whoever selected him well cant describe their knowledge of batting... utter madness to select this guy that too in ODIs..... The shots that he plays , i can imagine the shots of those players from gully mohalla , road-side cricketers playing with bricks , coke boxes , dustbin boxes as stumps.. Showing all thress stumps and try to muscle the ball...

Only in Pak players like him, Asif Ali, Iftikar Ahmed , Khusdhil shah get a chance and are celebrated as next big thing to happen after Afridi , Imran Nazir, Razzaq etc ..

 

[raj_milan]

NZ probably find a new Rachin Ravindra type of talent in this series.
Devon Conway, Lockie Ferguson, Glenn Phillips, Bevon Jacobs and Rachin Ravindra are also unavailable due to their T20 playing commitments, with Kane Williamson also declaring himself unavailable.

I would really like Brett Randell, Ray Toole, Kristian Clarke ,Matt Fisher, Aditya Ashok, Ben Sears, Zak Foulkes, Dean Foxcroft.....all of them to get an opportunity to play this Pakistan side.

 

[shah9425]

No 15 from 23 , the rattlesnake

I'm the best fraud all rounder

 

[Rana]

11. Abrar
10. Sufyan
9. Muhammad Ali
8. Abbas Afridi
7. Jahandad
6. Khushdil
5. Niazi
4. Shadab
3. Agha
2. Harris (wk)
1. Hassan


I’ve done it upside down to make sure bowling options are in abundance. 1 full seamer, 2 fast bowling all rounders , 2 proper spinners and 3 spin bowling alrounders, a 4th spin bowling option in Hassan Nawaz as well.

 

[sweep_shot]

Hoping for a good game.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

11. Abrar
10. Sufyan
9. Muhammad Ali
8. Abbas Afridi
7. Jahandad
6. Khushdil
5. Niazi
4. Shadab
3. Agha
2. Harris (wk)
1. Hassan


I’ve done it upside down to make sure bowling options are in abundance. 1 full seamer, 2 fast bowling all rounders , 2 proper spinners and 3 spin bowling alrounders, a 4th spin bowling option in Hassan Nawaz as well.

Great team rana sahab loved it best team anyone with cricket knowledge can put on.

 

[topspin]

11. Abrar
10. Sufyan
9. Muhammad Ali
8. Abbas Afridi
7. Jahandad
6. Khushdil
5. Niazi
4. Shadab
3. Agha
2. Harris (wk)
1. Hassan


I’ve done it upside down to make sure bowling options are in abundance. 1 full seamer, 2 fast bowling all rounders , 2 proper spinners and 3 spin bowling alrounders, a 4th spin bowling option in Hassan Nawaz as well.

Some team this

 

[Rana]

Some team this

I just hope it makes sense.

Kiwis batters love pace. This was the issue last time. One dimensional pace bowling on those decks too easy for someone like Finn Allen. Guys like Chapman, Seifer and Tim Robinson too will find it too easy to play pace.

At least with 2 proper spinners you are already into their head, you can get through overs with Agha, Shaddy and Khushi…but 8 overs of Abrar and Sufyan will be the difference between chasing 170 or 220

 

[Major]

So this would be the first game ever played by Shadab ever since he returned to First Class cricket. His return it too early. Should had done minimum two seasons, but lets see how he does.

If his line and length problem still exists, irrespect of how many wickets he takes, than his career is done. So i really hope his line and length issue is sorted and would looking forward to his overs during this series

 

[Cricket Warrior]

11. Abrar
10. Sufyan
9. Muhammad Ali
8. Abbas Afridi
7. Jahandad
6. Khushdil
5. Niazi
4. Shadab
3. Agha
2. Harris (wk)
1. Hassan


I’ve done it upside down to make sure bowling options are in abundance. 1 full seamer, 2 fast bowling all rounders , 2 proper spinners and 3 spin bowling alrounders, a 4th spin bowling option in Hassan Nawaz as well.

too many all rounders tbh

I think we can replce Jahandad with Abdul Samad

 

[Rana]

too many all rounders tbh

I think we can replce Jahandad with Abdul Samad

Then you are going with 2 seamers? Tbh I think only one of Niazi or Abdul Samad plays.

Abdul Samad should open and given a free licence, I’m not too sure about him at the back end.

 

[stani_pak]

Looking at the NZ squad: Michael Bracewell (c), Finn Allen, Mark Chapman, Jacob Duffy, Zak Foulkes (games 4 and 5 only), Mitch Hay, Matt Henry (games 4 and 5 only), Kyle Jamieson (games 1, 2 and 3 only), Daryl Mitchell, Jimmy Neesham, Will O’Rourke (games 1, 2 and 3 only), Tim Robinson, Ben Sears, Tim Seifert, Ish Sodhi

There is still some good played in that squad, this will not be an easy series for Pak, but results are not too much the concern its about the process and approach Pak, take each match.

Since match is in Christchurch, I believe Pak can try 2 spinners

This would be my squad for the 1st match

1) Hassan Nawaz
2) Mohammad Haris (W.K)
3) Omair Bin Yousuf
4) Salman Agha
5) Shadab Khan
6) Irfan Khan Niazi
7) Abdul Sammad
8) Abbas Afridi
9) Shaheen Afridi
10) Mohammad Ali
11) Sufiyan Muqeem

The way Pak should approach this, is every game new played should be inducted and there should be a rotation, to test the bench strenght and see what each player can or cannot do.

 

[shaz619]

So this would be the first game ever played by Shadab ever since he returned to First Class cricket. His return it too early. Should had done minimum two seasons, but lets see how he does.

If his line and length problem still exists, irrespect of how many wickets he takes, than his career is done. So i really hope his line and length issue is sorted and would looking forward to his overs during this series

Will Rizwan & Babar be returning to FC cricket / look to play a full season of domestic cricket at all now

 

[Major]

Will Rizwan & Babar be returning to FC cricket / look to play a full season of domestic cricket at all now

Every player of Pakistan should play FC cricket when they are not playing international cricket.

However for spinners playing first class season over t20 league is very important because spinners only develop through first class season, especially leg spinners.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Bowling unit looks terrible. Quality bowlers are not coming through.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Looking at the NZ squad: Michael Bracewell (c), Finn Allen, Mark Chapman, Jacob Duffy, Zak Foulkes (games 4 and 5 only), Mitch Hay, Matt Henry (games 4 and 5 only), Kyle Jamieson (games 1, 2 and 3 only), Daryl Mitchell, Jimmy Neesham, Will O’Rourke (games 1, 2 and 3 only), Tim Robinson, Ben Sears, Tim Seifert, Ish Sodhi

There is still some good played in that squad, this will not be an easy series for Pak, but results are not too much the concern its about the process and approach Pak, take each match.

Since match is in Christchurch, I believe Pak can try 2 spinners

This would be my squad for the 1st match

1) Hassan Nawaz
2) Mohammad Haris (W.K)
3) Omair Bin Yousuf
4) Salman Agha
5) Shadab Khan
6) Irfan Khan Niazi
7) Abdul Sammad
8) Abbas Afridi
9) Shaheen Afridi
10) Mohammad Ali
11) Sufiyan Muqeem

The way Pak should approach this, is every game new played should be inducted and there should be a rotation, to test the bench strenght and see what each player can or cannot do.

My XI is also the same except that I have Khushdil for Usman and will bat in middle order.

 

[Justcrazy]

It will be tough start to series for Pakistan. Kiwis even with this weakened squad will be handful for Pakistan.

 

[RidiculousMan]

It will be tough start to series for Pakistan. Kiwis even with this weakened squad will be handful for Pakistan.

Last time Pakistan played a T20I series the Kiwis hammered them 4-1. Pakistan had a relatively newer squad. Regardless under any circumstances it's very difficult to beat New Zealand at home.

 

[Kianig89]

11. Abrar
10. Sufyan
9. Muhammad Ali
8. Abbas Afridi
7. Jahandad
6. Khushdil
5. Niazi
4. Shadab
3. Agha
2. Harris (wk)
1. Hassan


I’ve done it upside down to make sure bowling options are in abundance. 1 full seamer, 2 fast bowling all rounders , 2 proper spinners and 3 spin bowling alrounders, a 4th spin bowling option in Hassan Nawaz as well.

Buhhahhhaha where is usman khan all the time you cried Rizwan is holding him back, so what now

 

[BouncerGuy]

Looking at the NZ squad: Michael Bracewell (c), Finn Allen, Mark Chapman, Jacob Duffy, Zak Foulkes (games 4 and 5 only), Mitch Hay, Matt Henry (games 4 and 5 only), Kyle Jamieson (games 1, 2 and 3 only), Daryl Mitchell, Jimmy Neesham, Will O’Rourke (games 1, 2 and 3 only), Tim Robinson, Ben Sears, Tim Seifert, Ish Sodhi

There is still some good played in that squad, this will not be an easy series for Pak, but results are not too much the concern its about the process and approach Pak, take each match.

Since match is in Christchurch, I believe Pak can try 2 spinners

This would be my squad for the 1st match

1) Hassan Nawaz
2) Mohammad Haris (W.K)
3) Omair Bin Yousuf
4) Salman Agha
5) Shadab Khan
6) Irfan Khan Niazi
7) Abdul Sammad
8) Abbas Afridi
9) Shaheen Afridi
10) Mohammad Ali
11) Sufiyan Muqeem

The way Pak should approach this, is every game new played should be inducted and there should be a rotation, to test the bench strenght and see what each player can or cannot do.

I think Abrar should play ahead of sufiyan and also Shaheen should be rested for Haris... Rest is the best possible players we can select

 

[BouncerGuy]

Buhhahhhaha where is usman khan all the time you cried Rizwan is holding him back, so what now

He does not fit-in now in presence of Haris so Haris is stopping his selection now.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Dunedin T20I double-header SOLD-OUT

The BLACKCAPS and WHITE FERNS are preparing to play in front of sold-out crowds during the upcoming T20I double-headers against Pakistan and Sri Lanka, with the University of Otago Oval the first venue to put the full-house sign up.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pakistan-New Zealand T20 Series

The Pakistan team held their first training session in Christchurch.

The national T20 squad practiced at Hagley Oval, with batters and bowlers working in the nets.

Players also participated in exercise drills before the practice session.

The team will resume practice tomorrow at 1 PM local time.

View attachment WhatsApp Video 2025-03-13 at 09.06.06_71ff5217.mp4

 

[Rana]

Buhhahhhaha where is usman khan all the time you cried Rizwan is holding him back, so what now

Why do you think the world revolves around your Rizwan?

He is out of the team, now everything feels better.

 

[Asif321]

When Saim and Fakhar get in . It’s gonna look solid team

 

[BouncerGuy]

I asked AI for the playing 11 and this is what we got:

• Salman Ali Agha (Captain)
• Mohammad Haris (Wicketkeeper)
• Shaheen Shah Afridi
• Shadab Khan
• Haris Rauf
• Abrar Ahmed
• Khushdil Shah
• Abbas Afridi
• Omair Bin Yousaf
• Hasan Nawaz
• Sufiyan Muqeem

This playing 11 is similar to what our selectors have been selecting and taking inspiration from.... Pathetic

 

[U$ofA]

Why would NZ schedule a series knowing fully well that all their top players will be playing IPL?

Essentially will be a 2nd string playing eleven. Given that, will it make for good cricket?

 

[Omer2002]

NZ probably find a new Rachin Ravindra type of talent in this series.
Devon Conway, Lockie Ferguson, Glenn Phillips, Bevon Jacobs and Rachin Ravindra are also unavailable due to their T20 playing commitments, with Kane Williamson also declaring himself unavailable.

I would really like Brett Randell, Ray Toole, Kristian Clarke ,Matt Fisher, Aditya Ashok, Ben Sears, Zak Foulkes, Dean Foxcroft.....all of them to get an opportunity to play this Pakistan side.

It doesnt matter i have seen the kiwi squad they will be too strong for Pak i am afraid..all the batters are hack pak have

 

[Rana]

It will be tough start to series for Pakistan. Kiwis even with this weakened squad will be handful for Pakistan.

They would have been a handful for the Pakistan team that was insistent to be built around Babar and Rizwan, with Fakhar at 4 and Sahibzada at 7….plus Haseebullah open.

This Pakistan team is much better placed to compete with them.

 

[Rana]

When Saim and Fakhar get in . It’s gonna look solid team

Exactly

The mindset of the batters should be to keep those two out of the team. Not Babar and Rizwan

 

[Rana]

do not feed the same crap bowlers to Allen and Chapman like you recently have. Learn from your mistakes.

 

[shaz619]

Every player of Pakistan should play FC cricket when they are not playing international cricket.

However for spinners playing first class season over t20 league is very important because spinners only develop through first class season, especially leg spinners.

In that case, there might be a wide spread clerical error with Yasir Shah’s T20I wickets column

 

[shaz619]

When Saim and Fakhar get in . It’s gonna look solid team

The way the circus works, those two could get de-prioritised ahead of .

 

[alishahid]

Omair
M Haris
Usman
Shadab
Salman
Irfan Niazi
Kushdil
Abbas
Shaheen
Haris
Abrar

I think this is a good move forward. Shadab can bat at 4. And plenty of options for bowling. 7 bowling options and hard hitters till number 7. If you look at the line up, its only salman who can play the anchor role in case. Major update from the previous middle orders which has 3 to 4 anchors

 

[Kianig89]

That should be the motto ATTACCKKKK

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Probably last bit of international cricket before IPL starts - will be a good series...
ipl is my cricket detox time - till june arrives with the WTC and my team india plays eng...
Good luck to Pak team!

 

[Major]

In that case, there might be a wide spread clerical error with Yasir Shah’s T20I wickets column

Yasir and shadab are both different.

Yasir is a pure legspinner. These type can only play test, as they dont offer much variety and have to bowl long consisstent spells to make traps.

Shadab bowls varieties, which makes him effective in t20. But shadab has major line and length issues which can only be set through first class cricket.

By now i know it all went over your head

 

[mominsaigol]

Yasir and shadab are both different.

Yasir is a pure legspinner. These type can only play test, as they dont offer much variety and have to bowl long consisstent spells to make traps.

Shadab bowls varieties, which makes him effective in t20. But shadab has major line and length issues which can only be set through first class cricket.

By now i know it all went over your head

Warne was a legspinner and was effective in odi, zampa is also a pure whiteball leggie.

legspinners aren't ineffective in other formats lol and they literally offer more variety then any other form of spin.

Theirs like 7 variations of legspin.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Warne was a legspinner and was effective in odi, zampa is also a pure whiteball leggie.

legspinners aren't ineffective in other formats lol and they literally offer more variety then any other form of spin.

Theirs like 7 variations of legspin.

What are these 7 variations of legspin, brother? Excited to learn new things today.

 

[mominsaigol]

What are these 7 variations of legspin, brother? Excited to learn new things today.

Watch Shane Warne legspin tutorial on youtube and he details all 7 variations that he would bowl to batsmen in his career.

I don't remember the exact names anymore.

Ik one of them was called flipper.

 

[MenInG]

Salman Ali Agha-led Pakistan are all set to take on New Zealand in the five-match T20I series starting on Sunday, 16 March. The first game will be played at the Hagley Oval in Christchurch, with the first ball to be bowled at 2.15pm local time.

The second match will be played at University Oval in Dunedin on 18 March, while the third match of the series will be played at Eden Park in Auckland on 21 March. The fourth and fifth T20Is will be played at Bay Oval, Mount Maunganui and Sky Stadium in Wellington on 23 and 26 March, respectively.

A three-match ODI series will follow the T20I action and will be played from 29 March to 5 April.

The Pakistan squad arrived in Christchurch on Thursday and held their first training session on Friday afternoon. Before their arrival, the T20I squad underwent a pre-series camp from 7 to 10 March at the LCCA Ground in Lahore.

Pakistan’s squad includes three uncapped players – Abdul Samad, Hasan Nawaz and Mohammad Ali – who earned call-ups to the national side following their impressive performances in recent domestic events.

Pakistan have an upper hand over New Zealand in the 44 T20I contests between the two sides with 23 wins while the Black Caps have secured victory in 19 fixtures.

The last T20I series featuring the two sides, which was played in Pakistan in 2024, finished with a 2-2 scoreline with one match abandoned due to rain.

Salman Ali Agha, who led the team to a 2-1 T20I series win in Zimbabwe in his first series as captain, said:

“The team's preparations are going well, and we will try to produce better results in New Zealand. We have some young players in the side, and it is an opportunity for them to showcase their talent at the international level after performing well in domestic cricket.”

T20I squad - Salman Ali Agha (captain), Shadab Khan (vice-captain), Abdul Samad, Abrar Ahmed, Haris Rauf, Hasan Nawaz, Jahandad Khan, Khushdil Shah, Mohammad Abbas Afridi, Mohammad Ali, Mohammad Haris, Muhammad Irfan Khan, Omair Bin Yousaf, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Sufyan Moqim and Usman Khan

Player Support Personnel - Naveed Akram Cheema (team manager), Aqib Javed (interim head coach), Azhar Mahmood (assistant coach), Mohammad Yousuf (batting coach), Mohammad Masroor (fielding coach), Cliffe Deacon (physiotherapist), Drikus Saiman (strength and conditioning coach), Talha Butt (analyst), Irtiza Komail (security manager), Dr Wajid Ali Rafai (team doctor), Syed Naeem Ahmad (media and digital manager) and Sergio Basil Mullins (masseur).

New Zealand tour schedule:

16 Mar – first T20I, Hagley Oval, Christchurch
18 Mar – second T20I, University Oval, Dunedin
21 Mar – third T20I, Eden Park, Auckland
23 Mar – fourth T20I, Bay Oval, Mount Maunganui
26 Mar – fifth T20I, Sky Stadium, Wellington
29 Mar – first ODI, McLean Park, Napier
2 Apr – second ODI, Seddon Park, Hamilton
5 Apr – third ODI, Bay Oval, Mount Maunganui

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Watch Shane Warne legspin tutorial on youtube and he details all 7 variations that he would bowl to batsmen in his career.

I don't remember the exact names anymore.

Ik one of them was called flipper.

I watched it, he only mentions 3 there that's why I asked. I consider you a bigger and more legit source of cricket info than Warne to be honest.

 

[shaz619]

Watch Shane Warne legspin tutorial on youtube and he details all 7 variations that he would bowl to batsmen in his career.

I don't remember the exact names anymore.

Ik one of them was called flipper.

Leg break

Flipper

Bouncer

Googly

Top Spinner

Slider

I can bowl all the ones from the back off the hand but not a leg break

The 7th variation am not sure if it even was a delivery, I need to look into it, I thought it was more specific to something he saw in the Batter and then he’d set them up.

 

[shaz619]

Warne was a legspinner and was effective in odi, zampa is also a pure whiteball leggie.

legspinners aren't ineffective in other formats lol and they literally offer more variety then any other form of spin.

Theirs like 7 variations of legspin.

It’s just a cop-out for Misbah’s failure to get anything out of Yasir in the limited forms, and this guy doesn’t really know much about spin bowling

 

[shaz619]

Yasir and shadab are both different.

Yasir is a pure legspinner. These type can only play test, as they dont offer much variety and have to bowl long consisstent spells to make traps.

Shadab bowls varieties, which makes him effective in t20. But shadab has major line and length issues which can only be set through first class cricket.

By now i know it all went over your head

Just because his stock ball was a leg break, doesn’t mean he offered little variation in ODI’s or T20’s, Misbah was too defensive and failed to squeeze the most out of him in other formats.

Adil Rashid is one of the best leg spinners in the world and he stopped playing red ball cricket along time ago, even when he got picked for Tests he hadn’t played an FC game in many years for Yorkshire. If Shadab was going to be playing Tests tomorrow I get what you’re saying, but you don’t need to bowl extensive red ball spells to improve your skills as a spinner in limited formats in the modern era, you can achieve that through List A & T20’s in domestic cricket when Batsman are a lot more on their toes and you need to think outside the box.

Having said that red ball cricket can help with his conditioning, fitness and mental strength; he has already played 12 months and am not sure what another 12 months will do for him, you should be putting more pressure on other players to play domestic cricket as per their contractual obligations @Rana

 

[Justcrazy]

They would have been a handful for the Pakistan team that was insistent to be built around Babar and Rizwan, with Fakhar at 4 and Sahibzada at 7….plus Haseebullah open.

This Pakistan team is much better placed to compete with them.

They need to compete , that is why they are paid for. This is there job , not doing anyone favors.

 

[Hellion]

Yasir and shadab are both different.

Yasir is a pure legspinner. These type can only play test, as they dont offer much variety and have to bowl long consisstent spells to make traps.

Shadab bowls varieties, which makes him effective in t20. But shadab has major line and length issues which can only be set through first class cricket.

By now i know it all went over your head

What varieties did Shadab have ? He never had a flipper or a slider or a pure topsinner.

His strength was always the ability to spin the ball at pace and not give up the stumps, the occasional googly notwithstanding.

A typical T20 spinner

 

[jnaveen1980]

What varieties did Shadab have ? He never had a flipper or a slider or a pure topsinner.

His strength was always the ability to spin the ball at pace and not give up the stumps, the occasional googly notwithstanding.

A typical T20 spinner

His main variations are

1) Long hop
2) Full toss

 

[Major]

Just because his stock ball was a leg break, doesn’t mean he offered little variation in ODI’s or T20’s, Misbah was too defensive and failed to squeeze the most out of him in other formats.

Adil Rashid is one of the best leg spinners in the world and he stopped playing red ball cricket along time ago, even when he got picked for Tests he hadn’t played an FC game in many years for Yorkshire. If Shadab was going to be playing Tests tomorrow I get what you’re saying, but you don’t need to bowl extensive red ball spells to improve your skills as a spinner in limited formats in the modern era, you can achieve that through List A & T20’s in domestic cricket when Batsman are a lot more on their toes and you need to think outside the box.

Having said that red ball cricket can help with his conditioning, fitness and mental strength; he has already played 12 months and am not sure what another 12 months will do for him, you should be putting more pressure on other players to play domestic cricket as per their contractual obligations @Rana

Yasir couldnt even bowl a Googly. He was going no where in limited overs.

Look spinners develop from redball cricket. No matter what format you play, in red ball cricket you are required to bowl long spells. You figure out your own bowling more. One of the reasons why guys like Abdur Rehman, Zulfiqar Babar had an impact in limited overs during their early days was because of their control on their spin bowling.

Your accruacy improves by a mile.

The issue with Shadab is his accuracy and sometimes he losses control. A biggest hint when Shadab is not getting it right is when you see him rubbing his hand against the grass or washiing it with sawdust thats when you know Shadab is losing it and has to focus on too much on the grip.

Playing a spinner very early in his career without any practice is one of the worst things you can do.

Shadab has not played 12 months, he barely played few games, Shadab needs alot of first class games before he makes a return.

Trust me, you bring in Shadab right now, if not this series, sooner or later his line and length issues will come up. Only way will his issue get fixed is if he goes back to first class and plays it for 2-3 years.

@Bewal Express also knows about spin bowling and he add more to this discussion

 

[Major]

What varieties did Shadab have ? He never had a flipper or a slider or a pure topsinner.

His strength was always the ability to spin the ball at pace and not give up the stumps, the occasional googly notwithstanding.

A typical T20 spinner

Shadab controls his speed. He doesnt turn the ball but he does varies it and had a few varities.

Shadabs issue is his line and length.

 

[Major]

It’s just a cop-out for Misbah’s failure to get anything out of Yasir in the limited forms, and this guy doesn’t really know much about spin bowling

In Pakistan, no captain knew how to use spinners better than Misbah. Now based on the discussion i am having with you on spinners its evident you dont understand spin bowling.

Danish Kaneria had a terrible record in limited overs, will you put that all on Inzi? Even though Kaneria was a very good bowler.

Limited overs and Test cricket have different requirements especially from leggies. But limited over spinners improve by first class crickets long spells.

 

[Kianig89]

NZ grounds are majority micky mouse style, Pakistan are loaded with spinner it may end up real phainta

 

[Rana]

NZ grounds are majority micky mouse style, Pakistan are loaded with spinner it may end up real phainta

Yeah I mean Rauf, Shaheen, Naseem, Zaman Khan and Wasim JR really contained them last time…

 

[Kianig89]

Yeah I mean Rauf, Shaheen, Naseem, Zaman Khan and Wasim JR really contained them last time…

Thank God for once you didn't mentioned Babar and Rizwan

 

[Rana]

Thank God for once you didn't mentioned Babar and Rizwan

Are you slow? You mentioned our spinners will get smashed when it was the pacers who caused 10 minute delays for the ball to be retrieved from the next postcode

 

[Kianig89]

Are you slow? You mentioned our spinners will get smashed when it was the pacers who caused 10 minute delays for the ball to be retrieved from the next postcode

Only A couple or days left , everything will be crystal clear

 

[Rana]

Only A couple or days left , everything will be crystal clear

Like it was in 4 days during the CT?

 

[Kianig89]

Like it was in 4 days during the CT?

Continue beating the drum , BTW is Usman Khan reckoning for playing 11 or the wheels are off

 

[Rana]

Continue beating the drum , BTW is Usman Khan reckoning for playing 11 or the wheels are off

Why are you desperate for these players to fail?

 

[Kianig89]

Why are you desperate for these players to fail?

I already wished them best of luck, its a 5 game series so potential replacement of RizBar should be given consistent chances

 

[Rana]

I already wished them best of luck, its a 5 game series so potential replacement of RizBar should be given consistent chances

Why be dishonest? You are desperate for them to fail are you not?

 

[Kianig89]

Why be dishonest? You are desperate for them to fail are you not?

I'm very much looking forward to this series , will follow it from 1st to last ball, new talent about the shake the world

 

[Rana]

I'm very much looking forward to this series , will follow it from 1st to last ball, new talent about the shake the world

So admit it, you want them to fail.

 

[Kianig89]

So admit it, you want them to fail.

No , I want them to grab this opportunity and take hold of their position

 

[Rana]

No , I want them to grab this opportunity and take hold of their position

That’s a lie.

You are lying during fasting. We know you well.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yasir couldnt even bowl a Googly. He was going no where in limited overs.

Look spinners develop from redball cricket. No matter what format you play, in red ball cricket you are required to bowl long spells. You figure out your own bowling more. One of the reasons why guys like Abdur Rehman, Zulfiqar Babar had an impact in limited overs during their early days was because of their control on their spin bowling.

Your accruacy improves by a mile.

The issue with Shadab is his accuracy and sometimes he losses control. A biggest hint when Shadab is not getting it right is when you see him rubbing his hand against the grass or washiing it with sawdust thats when you know Shadab is losing it and has to focus on too much on the grip.

Playing a spinner very early in his career without any practice is one of the worst things you can do.

Shadab has not played 12 months, he barely played few games, Shadab needs alot of first class games before he makes a return.

Trust me, you bring in Shadab right now, if not this series, sooner or later his line and length issues will come up. Only way will his issue get fixed is if he goes back to first class and plays it for 2-3 years.

@Bewal Express also knows about spin bowling and he add more to this discussion

Great post. I would also add that Shadab has a very poor release. I showed with Photos( which btw I also sent to him through a mutual acquaintance) that he releases the ball from underneath his hand. His release should be from the side of the hand and late. The late release maximises the side spin as the back of the hand will be facing the bowler.
As you said Shadab needs lots of overs and although he got a few more this year, he needs many more. If Shadab could improve as bowler, he has a lot to offer the team as a batter at 7/8 and a good fielder.

 

[shaz619]

Yasir couldnt even bowl a Googly. He was going no where in limited overs.

Look spinners develop from redball cricket. No matter what format you play, in red ball cricket you are required to bowl long spells. You figure out your own bowling more. One of the reasons why guys like Abdur Rehman, Zulfiqar Babar had an impact in limited overs during their early days was because of their control on their spin bowling.

Your accruacy improves by a mile.

The issue with Shadab is his accuracy and sometimes he losses control. A biggest hint when Shadab is not getting it right is when you see him rubbing his hand against the grass or washiing it with sawdust thats when you know Shadab is losing it and has to focus on too much on the grip.

Playing a spinner very early in his career without any practice is one of the worst things you can do.

Shadab has not played 12 months, he barely played few games, Shadab needs alot of first class games before he makes a return.

Trust me, you bring in Shadab right now, if not this series, sooner or later his line and length issues will come up. Only way will his issue get fixed is if he goes back to first class and plays it for 2-3 years.

@Bewal Express also knows about spin bowling and he add more to this discussion

In Pakistan, no captain knew how to use spinners better than Misbah. Now based on the discussion i am having with you on spinners its evident you dont understand spin bowling.

Danish Kaneria had a terrible record in limited overs, will you put that all on Inzi? Even though Kaneria was a very good bowler.

Limited overs and Test cricket have different requirements especially from leggies. But limited over spinners improve by first class crickets long spells.

This is a seriously clueless post, you know nothing about spin bowling and Misbah was so good at handling spinners that he ended their careers by running them into the ground and we saw his famous leg-side fields with Yasir Shah in Australia, that’s how chalak that numpty was, trying to use leg spinners like off spinners

Abdur Rehman & Zulfi Cobra What did all that red ball experience do for them in limited overs? carrying the drinks for Misbah?

12 more months is not going to do anything for Shadab, leg-spin bowling is an art in itself and unlike any other spin discipline, like Misbah you are confusing it with off-spin, it is far more scientific and psychological.

Instead of being another booger kid and lifting a kebab, why don’t you learn how to bowl some leg-spin first and play semi-pro cricket, then you can @ me.

Silly Major.

Now keep this energy with Babar and Rizwan’s need to play domestic cricket

 

[Major]

This is a seriously clueless post, you know nothing about spin bowling and Misbah was so good at handling spinners that he ended their careers by running them into the ground and we saw his famous leg-side fields with Yasir Shah in Australia, that’s how chalak that numpty was, trying to use leg spinners like off spinners

Abdur Rehman & Zulfi Cobra What did all that red ball experience do for them in limited overs? carrying the drinks for Misbah?

12 more months is not going to do anything for Shadab, leg-spin bowling is an art in itself and unlike any other spin discipline, like Misbah you are confusing it with off-spin, it is far more scientific and psychological.

Instead of being another booger kid and lifting a kebab, why don’t you learn how to bowl some leg-spin first and play semi-pro cricket, then you can @ me.

Silly Major.

Now keep this energy with Babar and Rizwan’s need to play domestic cricket

It looks like you dont understand spin bowling and had to resort to childish replies. as expected.

 

[shaz619]

It looks like you dont understand spin bowling and had to resort to childish replies. as expected.

You are treating Shadab like an off spinner, shows how much you know, biggest load of bollocks, he needs to play 24 months of FC as a leggie to be competent in LOI’s.

 

[Major]

You are treating Shadab like an off spinner, shows how much you know, biggest load of bollocks, he needs to play 24 months of FC as a leggie to be competent in LOI’s.

You agree to disagree, dont get whats with the childish behavior of just throwing remarks.

 

[shaz619]

You agree to disagree, dont get whats with the childish behavior of just throwing remarks.

Have you ever heard of Adil Rashid

In England we can think laterally.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

When Saim and Fakhar get in . It’s gonna look solid team

they will take Saim and tell some other ridiculous reason for Fakhar.. I hope Salman bags wins and performance under his belt and boot out the nonsense / friendship surrounds the team and backs merit.

Hope he takes the merit route and ditches the friendship route...