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I havent seen a thread on this here, so creating one. Feel free to merge if needed.

I read the PCB report some days back on The News, cant find the link now. But I have found a link to a part of it.

http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=238287

Sunday, May 09, 2010
LAHORE: Former Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam has launched a scathing attack on the national players, calling them ‘mentally retarted’ during their forgettable tour of Australia earlier this year, where they failed to win a single match.

Intikhab, who was replaced by Waqar Younis after the tour, revealed that apart from their woeful on-field performance, the players failed to conduct themselves in a proper manner off the field as well.

“I felt that they are mentally retarded people,” Intikhab was quoted as saying to the probe committee appointed by the Pakistan Cricket Board to investigate the national team’s poor showing in Australia. “There is a mental problem with our players. They don’t know how to wear their clothes and how to talk in a civilized manner.”

The PCB took action against seven players it believed were responsible for Pakistan’s failures. The captain Mohammad Yousuf and Younis Khan were banned indefinitely, Shoaib Malik and Naved-ul-Hasan were banned for a year while Shahid Afridi and the Akmal brothers were fined and placed on probation for six months.

Yousuf and Younis were accused of infighting and having a negative influence on the team. Yousuf announced his retirement from international cricket after the ban and is the only one among the punished players who didn’t appeal. The six players who appealed will appear before a one-man tribunal headed by Irfan Qadir, a retired high court judge.

Intikhab, however, identified Malik as someone with a “negative attitude” who was “active in intrigues in the team”. Quoting an example of the factions that had developed within the team, Intikhab confessed to hearing that a group of “six to seven” players had gone to the former captain Inzamam-ul-Haq’s house before the UAE tour prior to the Australia series, where they “took oath on the Quran that they will remain united against (the then captain) Younis Khan”.

But Malik, a former captain, denied that allegation and said that the players had vowed to remain united in case a team member was dropped “unjustifiably”. He added that the oath was taken in Yousuf’s hotel room and not at Inzamam’s house.


Important points some are inn here, some were in the longer version I read earlier)

-- Retarded players
-- Malik, moyo and afridi were the main troublemakers (according to Aaqib Javed)
-- Players took oath on the Quran that they wont accept YK as captain.
 
Yes I was shocked to read about the oath taking.

Jahalat is the only word that can be used to describe this behaviourh
 
if the latter really is the case then shame on all of them...i heard akmal was one of those aswell...i just dont get it... if moyo and afridi are two of those then i automatically dislike both of them regardless of what they have done for us...its just so jahil
 
well as far as the oath taking was concerned really i agree with intikhab alam that only retards would have done so
 
The point is that YK was undermined, and it is obvious that the players were responsible for his failure. It was deliberate. Then why were the players not weeded out? According to the report, at least 6 players took the oath. Moyo was in it as well. Why were these players not weeded out? Why was YK not backed by the board?
 
certain posters were calling YK "iQuit"

I think each and every one of them would have quit as captain if this was what their team mates were doing to them.

Jahalt, utter and pure jahalat.
These guys just don't fail to disgust me
 
why bring the Holy Quran into this ? :S Fine, mohammad yousuf may be knowing alot about Islam but this is no petty matter to swear on the Holy Book :S
 
*sallu* said:
certain posters were calling YK "iQuit"

I think each and every one of them would have quit as captain if this was what their team mates were doing to them.

Jahalt, utter and pure jahalat.
These guys just don't fail to disgust me


yup any man with pride would do the same...thats completly out of order...
 
*sallu* said:
certain posters were calling YK "iQuit"

I think each and every one of them would have quit as captain if this was what their team mates were doing to them.

Jahalt, utter and pure jahalat.
These guys just don't fail to disgust me
Those calling YK a quitter were fools. Simple.

Who would want to captain a team where the players are deliberately undermining the captain?

Not all pakistani fans think.
 
Just add all of these reports, inside information from different agents as well as a large amount of news spreading throughout the days. Plus the difference of character b/w between YK and the opposing players involved.
I dont't know about any YK bashers, but for me its pretty clear that a group of mediocre, egoistic, mentally weak, jaahil and corrupt bunch of jokers have undermined Younis while the head of all these jokers Mr. Ijaz Butt among with his goons instead of backing YK had supported their loonies.

Its all PRETTY clear.
And shame on those people who cant add 2 and 2 together.
 
*syed59* said:
Just add all of these reports, inside information from different agents as well as a large amount of news spreading throughout the days. Plus the difference of character b/w between YK and the opposing players involved.
I dont't know about any YK bashers, but for me its pretty clear that a group of mediocre, egoistic, mentally weak, jaahil and corrupt bunch of jokers have undermined Younis while the head of all these jokers Mr. Ijaz Butt among with his goons instead of backing YK had supported their loonies.

Its all PRETTY clear.
And shame on those people who cant add 2 and 2 together
.

Blond dye can easily make you blind.
 
The Quran ? What on earth ? How can people so corrupt even dare bring religion into this.Despicable retards.
 
I have given up arguing with iQuit kids.As for these stories they came out at the time and don't surprise me as we expect this kind of behavior from talentless wonders.
 
cricket_fever said:
well as far as the oath taking was concerned really i agree with intikhab alam that only retards would have done so
So Inti is right:))
 
i didn't know Afridi was one of those 6 men who took oath against Younis
but again.. it is Pakistani team.. anything and everything can happen..
 
The players of most countries are just happy to be in the team and make their countries proud of them.

Our players have to indulge in intrigue and backstabbing and politics.
 
saeed-sohail said:
I have given up arguing with iQuit kids.As for these stories they came out at the time and don't surprise me as we expect this kind of behavior from talentless wonders.
yes these iQuit calling kids in my books are also Jahil in the sense that they are ignorant and cannot accept the fact that a person can give up captaincy because he does not agree with the conditions it has been given to him. They think since it is such a big honor you should accept it under all conditions.

Look at Afridi complaining about the team after our 2nd loss and that he had no say in team selection. If he had such a big problem then he should not have excepted the captaincy on the first place. Probably most people would have called him iQuit but in my books he would have done the right thing if he had not agreed to lead the team.
 
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All very well using the groupings to try and sympathise with Younis but the fact of the matter is he started his whining and quitting before he was even made the permanent captain. He may have lasted longer but he'd have quit sooner or later whether the players liked him or not.
 
Big Mac said:
All very well using the groupings to try and sympathise with Younis but the fact of the matter is he started his whining and quitting before he was even made the permanent captain. He may have lasted longer but he'd have quit sooner or later whether the players liked him or not.

basis of your argument?
 
You don't remember him quitting over the "dummy captain" business when he was just standing in for Inzi for a couple of games?

Or the tantrum because the PCB chairman made him wait for a meeting?

Or was that all a conspiracy against beechara Younis too?
 
one common name that has always been spelled out by anyone and everyone who has spoken up on this matter is Shoaib Malik..the longer he stays away from this team the better
 
Big Mac said:
You don't remember him quitting over the "dummy captain" business when he was just standing in for Inzi for a couple of games?

Or the tantrum because the PCB chairman made him wait for a meeting?

Or was that all a conspiracy against beechara Younis too?
Quitting is better than complaining about team selection. Afridi blaming team selection, when he knew what he was getting, is lame. YK deciding not to take the job rather complaining afterwards, was the right thing to do.

Not too hard to understand if you actually want to
 
waqar_ahmad said:
Quitting is better than complaining about team selection. Afridi blaming team selection, when he knew what he was getting, is lame. YK deciding not to take the job rather complaining afterwards, was the right thing to do.

Not too hard to understand if you actually want to

Right, so he complained and quit twice before Inzi retired which was apparently the right thing to do according to you. Yet he still kept his position as the vice captain? Why not step down from that job if he didn't want to replace Inzi as captain?

He refused the captaincy after Inzi retired because "he knew what he was getting", yet was happy to take that same job after Malik got the sack? What changed from the previous times he had resigned/refused the job?
 
Big Mac said:
Right, so he complained and quit twice before Inzi retired which was apparently the right thing to do according to you. Yet he still kept his position as the vice captain? Why not step down from that job if he didn't want to replace Inzi as captain?

He refused the captaincy after Inzi retired because "he knew what he was getting", yet was happy to take that same job after Malik got the sack? What changed from the previous times he had resigned/refused the job?

I would answer these questions, but they have been answered before, in numerous threads. So stop going around in circles. Not going to have the same argument again. And:

A. Stop derailing the thread.

B. Go post in the threads where you used to praise moyo's captaincy skills.

C. To be very short, YK selected his playing eleven, before this whole coach manager selection thing came into play. Why do you think players like malik and moyo were dropped. Afridi's thick head cant even think of dropping moyo just coz he is a senior player.

Stick to the topic at hand
 
RX said:


and the above for me exemplifies the pathetic posters we now have on this forum..staright from the gutter!! has no one ever taught you any manners?

looks like a future in a taxi or call centre awaits you!!
 
the Great Khan said:
and the above for me exemplifies the pathetic posters we now have on this forum..staright from the gutter!! has no one ever taught you any manners?

looks like a future in a taxi or call centre awaits you!!

:))

What an ironic post. Below are some of your recent posts.

"Yes I'll believe a lying rat like malik..lol..what a bunch of traitors!! these b**%^**+s deserve to be lashed and humiliated!!"


"^^^^ pls just go home! we have had so many captains I've lost count and everytime we lose a match the sack brigade turn up on this forum..I'm sick of it..can't you people just have some f)$&&&; patience??"

And you have the audacity to ask me if anyone has ever taught me any manners. Your a f£$*£(% joke.


Its funny how your arrogance is showing here when you have no idea what I do. I like to believe I am doing rather well for my age, but I still have respect for those who work in the taxi service and call centre industries. Your just an absolute fool.
 
RX said:
:))

What an ironic post. Below are some of your recent posts.

"Yes I'll believe a lying rat like malik..lol..what a bunch of traitors!! these b**%^**+s deserve to be lashed and humiliated!!"


"^^^^ pls just go home! we have had so many captains I've lost count and everytime we lose a match the sack brigade turn up on this forum..I'm sick of it..can't you people just have some f)$&&&; patience??"

And you have the audacity to ask me if anyone has ever taught me any manners. Your a f£$*£(% joke.


Its funny how your arrogance is showing here when you have no idea what I do. I like to believe I am doing rather well for my age, but I still have respect for those who work in the taxi service and call centre industries. Your just an absolute fool.


LOL...how pathetic can you get!!..those comments are mostly the result of imbeciles like you! who have started posting rubbish in volumes latley!! sack this guy, no bring in the next guy, lets believe everything the jang tells us!! blah blah blah!! also they were directed at our amazing players not at a fellow poster like you just did!! unlike you and others here I dont worship any of them!!
 
waqar_ahmad said:
A. Stop derailing the thread.


Responding directly to people crying about him being called a quitter is derailing the thread? :20:
 
This thread should be preserved at the top of the forum for ever so that everyone knows just how mentally retarded and sick in their hearts these players are.

They should never play cricket for Pakistan again. Full Stop. End of Story.


Plotting against a World Cup winning captain is one thing, but then bringing him down and to replace him with their rubbish defensive and retarded captaincy (Yousuf in Australia / Afridi ball-biting) which brought shame on the name of Pakistan cricket just demonstrates the depths to which they have sunk. Flogging is too good for them.
 
waqar_ahmad said:
I havent seen a thread on this here, so creating one. Feel free to merge if needed.

I read the PCB report some days back on The News, cant find the link now. But I have found a link to a part of it.

http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=238287

Sunday, May 09, 2010
LAHORE: Former Pakistan coach Intikhab Alam has launched a scathing attack on the national players, calling them ‘mentally retarted’ during their forgettable tour of Australia earlier this year, where they failed to win a single match.

Intikhab, who was replaced by Waqar Younis after the tour, revealed that apart from their woeful on-field performance, the players failed to conduct themselves in a proper manner off the field as well.

“I felt that they are mentally retarded people,” Intikhab was quoted as saying to the probe committee appointed by the Pakistan Cricket Board to investigate the national team’s poor showing in Australia. “There is a mental problem with our players. They don’t know how to wear their clothes and how to talk in a civilized manner.”

The PCB took action against seven players it believed were responsible for Pakistan’s failures. The captain Mohammad Yousuf and Younis Khan were banned indefinitely, Shoaib Malik and Naved-ul-Hasan were banned for a year while Shahid Afridi and the Akmal brothers were fined and placed on probation for six months.

Yousuf and Younis were accused of infighting and having a negative influence on the team. Yousuf announced his retirement from international cricket after the ban and is the only one among the punished players who didn’t appeal. The six players who appealed will appear before a one-man tribunal headed by Irfan Qadir, a retired high court judge.

Intikhab, however, identified Malik as someone with a “negative attitude” who was “active in intrigues in the team”. Quoting an example of the factions that had developed within the team, Intikhab confessed to hearing that a group of “six to seven” players had gone to the former captain Inzamam-ul-Haq’s house before the UAE tour prior to the Australia series, where they “took oath on the Quran that they will remain united against (the then captain) Younis Khan”.

But Malik, a former captain, denied that allegation and said that the players had vowed to remain united in case a team member was dropped “unjustifiably”. He added that the oath was taken in Yousuf’s hotel room and not at Inzamam’s house.


Important points some are inn here, some were in the longer version I read earlier)

-- Retarded players
-- Malik, moyo and afridi were the main troublemakers (according to Aaqib Javed)
-- Players took oath on the Quran that they wont accept YK as captain.
You are accusing Afridi of being a troublemaker, theonly thing i want from you is a proof of it...
He has not been accused of it by any memeber or the managment, by no player but according to you Afridi is a troublemaker...
Just proove it and then put it in your MAIN points!
You will look less retarded :inti
 
Ali888 said:
Plotting against a World Cup winning captain is one thing, but then bringing him down and to replace him with their rubbish defensive and retarded captaincy (Yousuf in Australia / Afridi ball-biting) which brought shame on the name of Pakistan cricket just demonstrates the depths to which they have sunk. Flogging is too good for them.

Once Younis was gone, who would you have appointed as captain at the time? Openers are always coming and going, Malik was a no-go, no Younis available, none of the bowlers could be relied upon to be present for more than two games in a row.

Who were the alternatives? Kamran? Misbah? Kaneria?
 
i dont believe this oath taking story ..
there is so much mess created here..

bring on a new pcb chief and a new young captain and team and throw out everyone ...
 
This mess wasnt created during Yk's tenure...Its been around for a long time now!
Senior players just couldnt except being dropped and so deals were made between players to ensure their place in the side!

Disgusting behaviour and for once I have to agree with Intikab. However Intikhab should have voiced his concerns 12 months ago and not since his removal/retirement.

I'll never forget that three match Odi series against the Kiwis. Yk was rotating his batsmen, mainly Malik and Moyo and there had to be a reason for it..If he knoew about the Hotel Room antics then it becomes obvious as to why he did this.

Another memory is of Moyo sitting with Ijaz Butt and taking animatedly...The look of anger on his face..Peopl will read into it whatever they want to, I for one thought that he was castagating YK and gearing himself up for a coup...Ofcourse, during this our inept batsmen were literally throwing their wickets away, chasing a poultry total in a very good batting track!.
 
Spot on as always mate,younis khan is the only man from this lot who was dropped from the test side (unfairly) in 04 but he responded by performing.These back stabbers knew that their days are numbered and did not have stomach to fight hence they resorted to these shameful acts.
 
IMMY69 said:
Ofcourse, during this our inept batsmen were literally throwing their wickets away, chasing a poultry total in a very good batting track!.

What did you expect? Our batsmen are a bunch of chickens
 
Big Mac said:
Right, so he complained and quit twice before Inzi retired which was apparently the right thing to do according to you. Yet he still kept his position as the vice captain? Why not step down from that job if he didn't want to replace Inzi as captain?

He refused the captaincy after Inzi retired because "he knew what he was getting", yet was happy to take that same job after Malik got the sack? What changed from the previous times he had resigned/refused the job?

He wanted to be the captain when he had all powers, lets face it, when Inzi was the captain, he had this whole mafia thing going on.
Its not that YK didn't want to be captain, he knew that if he would captain with Inzi there, it would be a true dummy captain.

And after Inzi retiring, I'm pretty sure he didn't want to become the captain for the same reason, to stay away from the politics, someone somewhere probably convinced him to become captain (reluctantly) after Malik got the sack, but even then, things in our system remained the same and finally now, the only results has been that we've lose our best batsman and potential captain
 
*sallu* said:
Its not that YK didn't want to be captain, he knew that if he would captain with Inzi there, it would be a true dummy captain.

How many vice captains who are standing in for a couple of ODIs get to have full power to select the entire squad and playing XI? Fair enough, ask for those powers when you're the real captain but to throw his toys out of the pram when he was just deputising for a suspended Inzi shows what kind of ego he has.
 
Big Mac said:
How many vice captains who are standing in for a couple of ODIs get to have full power to select the entire squad and playing XI? Fair enough, ask for those powers when you're the real captain but to throw his toys out of the pram when he was just deputising for a suspended Inzi shows what kind of ego he has.

Okay,
and thats why he refused to be the captain for the entire champions trophy but used to do the odd matches without complains

I don't see anything wrong with it,
Better not be a captain at all than half a captain
 
Yousuf was still playing in the ICL when Pakistan played Australia in the UAE.
 
akafen said:
Yousuf was still playing in the ICL when Pakistan played Australia in the UAE.

How is that related to this thread at all
 
waqar_ahmad said:
Quitting is better than complaining about team selection. Afridi blaming team selection, when he knew what he was getting, is lame. YK deciding not to take the job rather complaining afterwards, was the right thing to do.

Not too hard to understand if you actually want to
Nah it's hard for retard fans of retard players.
 
*sallu* said:
How is that related to this thread at all

Read Immy69's last post.

Okay, and thats why he refused to be the captain for the entire champions trophy but used to do the odd matches without complains

I don't see anything wrong with it, Better not be a captain at all than half a captain

So captaining in the CT would have been a massive blow against his izzat but standing in for the odd game here and there isn't? :20:

Like you said, if he said he didn't want to be captain at all and resigned the VC post and let the PCB groom someone else to replace Inzi then that would have been acceptable. But he was happy to take the extra respect and status that came with being the vice-captain only to fall apart and run away when he had to deal with the responsibility of being the captain.

Would a bit of consistency from him be too much to ask for?
 
i dont see how the thread has meandered from groupings to yk's iquit tantrums evn though they might be related, we are getting off track...
 
Shameful. And PCB, and fans still back these guys to be in the team. That is even more shameful
 
During the CT in south africa one of the senior players played key role in getting seven players together to take an oath against YK.They needed THE HOLY QURAN for the purpose but no one had a copy.Ironically fitness trainer david dywer had a copy which was given to him by YK that was brought to the room to take an oath against him.
 
saeed-sohail said:
During the CT in south africa one of the senior players played key role in getting seven players together to take an oath against YK.They needed THE HOLY QURAN for the purpose but no one had a copy.Ironically fitness trainer david dywer had a copy which was given to him by YK that was brought to the room to take an oath against him.

i thought oath was taken in inzi place?
 
lol at these Holy Oaths going around like its Christmas.
 
strongman123 said:
i thought oath was taken in inzi place?

these r the profes that INZI is not involved in that!!!

INZI is great man! he would never do such thing!!!
 
the quran Younis khan gave to david was the quran used to take the oath against him, quite sad really.
 
asif9138 said:
these r the profes that INZI is not involved in that!!!

INZI is great man! he would never do such thing!!!
Great player yes, great man, no
 
asif9138 said:
these r the profes that INZI is not involved in that!!!

INZI is great man! he would never do such thing!!!

well idno..makes more sense if inzi wasnt involved in this i suppose...but pretty sure he knew what was going on ..
 
Not to make this a religious discussion, but if these players used the Quran for taking the oath, I am sure they understand the importance of the Holy Book. Dont these jahils understand that it should not be used for something as immoral as this
 
saeed-sohail said:
During the CT in south africa one of the senior players played key role in getting seven players together to take an oath against YK.They needed THE HOLY QURAN for the purpose but no one had a copy.Ironically fitness trainer david dywer had a copy which was given to him by YK that was brought to the room to take an oath against him.

Seriously how old are these players? This is like 12 year old behaviour. Are they developmentally delayed?
 
saeed-sohail said:
There were mulitple oaths paah ji and Pir Inzi had the sharaf of holding one at his house.

multiple oaths? this is as retarded as it can get :inti
 
strongman123 said:
well idno..makes more sense if inzi wasnt involved in this i suppose...but pretty sure he knew what was going on ..

you talking about INZI know what going on!! im sure whole PCB know whats going on!!!
 
asif9138 said:
you talking about INZI know what going on!! im sure whole PCB know whats going on!!!

i mean initially when they first decided to take oath
 
Random Aussie said:
Seriously how old are these players? This is like 12 year old behaviour. Are they developmentally delayed?
Well we all know our captain fantastic is yet to fully develope as proved by his statements off late.
 
Random Aussie said:
Seriously how old are these players? This is like 12 year old behaviour. Are they developmentally delayed?
More like mentally challenged, like their fans
 
Random Aussie said:
Seriously how old are these players? This is like 12 year old behaviour. Are they developmentally delayed?

You think mature and mentally developed person will bite on a cricket ball, dig a pitch, knowingly that whole world is watching live?

Mentally developed will issue statements after statement despite knowing that PCB sent a wicketkeeper to Australia after K Akmal gifting a game to Australia.
 
waqar_ahmad said:
Not to make this a religious discussion, but if these players used the Quran for taking the oath, I am sure they understand the importance of the Holy Book. Dont these jahils understand that it should not be used for something as immoral as this
Holy Quran should never be used for such things. However uniting against a dictator is not an immoral act.
 
And IIRC YK responded by dropping the catch that cost us the spot in the final. Guess he got the last laugh :))
 
insaaniyat said:
Holy Quran should never be used for such things. However uniting against a dictator is not an immoral act.

So would you have supported a players revolt against Imran Khan just before the 1992 world cup?
 
siccric said:
So would you have supported a players revolt against Imran Khan just before the 1992 world cup?

Nope:) Wish we had someone like Imran Khan. Imran Khan was a well educated diplomat. The whole world of cricket respected him.
 
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Inswinger said:
And IIRC YK responded by dropping the catch that cost us the spot in the final. Guess he got the last laugh :))

Isn't that under performing?:)) As a captain it's even worse
 
Jang hasn't been reliable lately or perhaps, never was.

One thing is true that someone formed the group to undermine Younus captaincy. We just have to wait to find out who ran the group, Malik or Yousuf or Afridi....etc? Media will have busy year of running speculation, conspiracy, ...etc.
 
MalikMohsin said:
Jang hasn't been reliable lately or perhaps, never was.

One thing is true that someone formed the group to undermine Younus captaincy. We just have to wait to find out who ran the group, Malik or Yousuf or Afridi....etc? Media will have busy year of running speculation, conspiracy, ...etc.

Malik Bhai when you become a dictator and treat players like they are slave, people will revolt.
 
insaaniyat said:
Nope:) Wish we had someone like Imran Khan. Imran Khan was a well educated diplomat. The whole world of cricket respected him.
Imran Khan was not a dictator? Riiiiiggghhhhtttt

Stop trying so hard
 
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insaaniyat said:
Malik Bhai when you become a dictator and treat players like they are slave, people will revolt.

You have a point. I am not siding anyone. Only those people and PCB know the hidden truth of what transpired between them.

It's also true due to Younus with his policy of rotation, lack of handling team affair that led to the numerous controversial which affected the team very badly.
 
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If I am making an agreement and the parties involve include Afridi, MoYo, Akmals, and co. I would request oath on religious book or some high value security bond.
 
Anwaar said:
If I am making an agreement and the parties involve include Afridi, MoYo, Akmals, and co. I would request oath on religious book or some high value security bond.

With these three you may have a point:)
 
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