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Occupied Kashmir dispute in UNSC focus after decades
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">اس اجلاس کو منعقد ہونے سے روکنے کی کوشش کی گئی مگر سلامتی کونسل کے تمام ممبران نے اتفاق کیا کہ کشمیر پر یہ اجلاس ہونا چاہئے۔ اس اجلاس کے منعقد ہونے سے بھارت کے اس موقف کی نفی ہو گئی کہ کشمیر بھارت کا اندرونی معاملہ ہے، ملیحہ لودھی<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VOAUpdates?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VOAUpdates</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UNSC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UNSC</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UN</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> <a href="https://t.co/da0uxqZQIJ">pic.twitter.com/da0uxqZQIJ</a></p>— VOA Urdu (@URDUVOA) <a href="https://twitter.com/URDUVOA/status/1162392438973050880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Wow, potw material. This is too much sense for all the people here from both sides. War does not win you anything, Everyone will loose. Similar to what happened in UK where Scotland even after being part of the Union for so long got a chance after long time to separate but they didn’t and also for the Brexit in UK which they did. If history has taught us one thing in last 100-150 years it’s the non violence which has won more in freedom then actual violence.
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Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations Maleeha Lodhi on Friday said that the people of Jammu and Kashmir may be locked up and their voices not heard in their own homes and their own land, but their voices were heard today at the meeting of the United Nations Security Council.
The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) held a consultative meeting on Friday to discuss the Kashmir issue as Pakistan urged the world body to implement its own resolutions on this 70-year-old dispute.
The meeting had been called by China on Pakistan’s request to discuss the prevailing situation in occupied Kashmir. In the closed door meeting, briefings were given on the situation and consultations will take place to decide how to proceed further.
In a media briefing following the conclusion of the meeting, Ambassador Lodhi said that the meeting had been called within 72 hours after Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi had written a letter requesting the same.
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"We are grateful to China in also joining us in calling this meeting," she added.
"The voice of the Kashmiri people, the voice of the people of occupied Kashmir has been heard today in the highest diplomatic forum of the world.
"They are not alone, their voices have been heard, their plight, their hardship, their pain, their suffering, their occupation and the consequences of that occupation has been heard in the UNSC," she said.
Lodhi said that the very fact this meeting had taken place is "testimony to the fact that this is an internationally recognised dispute".
The UN Ambassador said that there was "an effort to stop this meeting from convening" but thanked all 15 members for agreeing to hold it.
"This meeting has reaffirmed the validity of the UNSC resolutions on the occupied state of Jammu and Kashmir," she said.
Lodhi underscored the fact that Pakistan "stands ready for a peaceful settlement of the dispute of Jammu and Kashmir".
She further emphasised that India's claim that the issue was an "internal matter" stood nullified following today's meeting.
"Today the whole world is discussing the occupied state and the situation there," she said, also referring to the Chinese ambassador's remarks on the human rights situation in Kashmir.
"It is an abysmal situation, with violence carried out with impunity by India. That, too, has been discussed by the Security Council today," she disclosed.
She said she had contacted FM Qureshi who had conveyed that this is the first step that Pakistan has taken on behalf of the people of Jammu and Kashmir.
"This is the first and not the last step. It will not end here. It will only end when justice is done to the people of Jammu and Kashmir," she stressed.
She went on to reiterate that the voices of the people of Kashmir will always be heard. "Pakistan will always stand by them, extending full diplomatic and political support."
The UN ambassador concluded by thanking the Security Council in taking up the issue for the first time in 50 years.
PM Imran takes Trump into confidence
Ahead of the meeting, Prime Minister Imran Khan had a telephonic conversation with US President Donald Trump to brief him about Pakistan's stance on the issue.
"The prime minister conveyed Pakistan's position to him [President Trump] and took him into confidence," Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi had said in a video statement broadcast on television moments before the meeting started.
"Pakistan, like always, is committed to the peace process. The role we have played is for the betterment of the region and the steps we have taken are for the mutual benefit of Pakistan and Afghanistan and for peace and stability. We will continue to take such steps," he had said.
He had also said that direct contact had been established with four out of five permanent members of the Security Council and they were "aware of Pakistan's viewpoint".
https://www.dawn.com/news/1499832/v...ard-at-the-united-nations-today-maleeha-lodhi
The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) held a consultative meeting on Friday to discuss the Kashmir issue as Pakistan urged the world body to implement its own resolutions on this 70-year-old dispute.
The meeting had been called by China on Pakistan’s request to discuss the prevailing situation in occupied Kashmir. In the closed door meeting, briefings were given on the situation and consultations will take place to decide how to proceed further.
In a media briefing following the conclusion of the meeting, Ambassador Lodhi said that the meeting had been called within 72 hours after Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi had written a letter requesting the same.
ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD
"We are grateful to China in also joining us in calling this meeting," she added.
"The voice of the Kashmiri people, the voice of the people of occupied Kashmir has been heard today in the highest diplomatic forum of the world.
"They are not alone, their voices have been heard, their plight, their hardship, their pain, their suffering, their occupation and the consequences of that occupation has been heard in the UNSC," she said.
Lodhi said that the very fact this meeting had taken place is "testimony to the fact that this is an internationally recognised dispute".
The UN Ambassador said that there was "an effort to stop this meeting from convening" but thanked all 15 members for agreeing to hold it.
"This meeting has reaffirmed the validity of the UNSC resolutions on the occupied state of Jammu and Kashmir," she said.
Lodhi underscored the fact that Pakistan "stands ready for a peaceful settlement of the dispute of Jammu and Kashmir".
She further emphasised that India's claim that the issue was an "internal matter" stood nullified following today's meeting.
"Today the whole world is discussing the occupied state and the situation there," she said, also referring to the Chinese ambassador's remarks on the human rights situation in Kashmir.
"It is an abysmal situation, with violence carried out with impunity by India. That, too, has been discussed by the Security Council today," she disclosed.
She said she had contacted FM Qureshi who had conveyed that this is the first step that Pakistan has taken on behalf of the people of Jammu and Kashmir.
"This is the first and not the last step. It will not end here. It will only end when justice is done to the people of Jammu and Kashmir," she stressed.
She went on to reiterate that the voices of the people of Kashmir will always be heard. "Pakistan will always stand by them, extending full diplomatic and political support."
The UN ambassador concluded by thanking the Security Council in taking up the issue for the first time in 50 years.
PM Imran takes Trump into confidence
Ahead of the meeting, Prime Minister Imran Khan had a telephonic conversation with US President Donald Trump to brief him about Pakistan's stance on the issue.
"The prime minister conveyed Pakistan's position to him [President Trump] and took him into confidence," Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi had said in a video statement broadcast on television moments before the meeting started.
"Pakistan, like always, is committed to the peace process. The role we have played is for the betterment of the region and the steps we have taken are for the mutual benefit of Pakistan and Afghanistan and for peace and stability. We will continue to take such steps," he had said.
He had also said that direct contact had been established with four out of five permanent members of the Security Council and they were "aware of Pakistan's viewpoint".
https://www.dawn.com/news/1499832/v...ard-at-the-united-nations-today-maleeha-lodhi
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I would advise to stop being the common Indian who knows nothing about most things and look into what the UN is and what the UNSC is.
They are discussing this issue behind closed doors at present. There will be no vote on any new resolutions for now.
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Oh yes, let's hear from the BritPak Knowledge Handbook v2019. We're all ears.
The United Nations are a global white elephant that has overseen ten times the conflicts than the chapters in said handbook.
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I will have to start charging Indian posters for education.
UNSC consists of China. Any major conflict will have a big impact on China first and foremost esp since they hold a part of Kashmir. UNSC are talking about Kashmir for the first time in a long time, confirming the seriousness of the matter. Indians dont like this but should at least discuss this in a sensible manner instead of showing continious ignorance on a daily basis.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking from New York: Quotes from <a href="https://twitter.com/LodhiMaleeha?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LodhiMaleeha</a> <br><br>- Pak welcomes this meeting<br>- The voice of the Kashmiri people has been heard at the highest diplomat forum in the world.<br>- This meeting indicates that Kashmir is an internationally recognized dispute. <br>- Confirms UN resolutions</p>— WSK (@WajSKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/WajSKhan/status/1162388371064414209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Breaking?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Breaking</a> from New York: Quotes from <a href="https://twitter.com/LodhiMaleeha?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LodhiMaleeha</a> <br><br>- This meeting nullifies India's claims that J&K is an internal matter of India<br>- Foreign Min of Pakistan confirms that this is just the first step, not the last step Pakistan has taken</p>— WSK (@WajSKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/WajSKhan/status/1162388798367522818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Important to note the balance in language here from Russia.<br><br>Here's the Russian Ambassador to the UN, tweeting just after the UNSC meeting today.<br><br>Remember that Russia's an old-time India ally and defence supplier. <br><br>Clearly, <a href="https://twitter.com/MOFAPakistan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MOFAPakistan</a> has made strides in Moscow. <a href="https://t.co/KjN7ul3Klx">https://t.co/KjN7ul3Klx</a></p>— WSK (@WajSKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/WajSKhan/status/1162404068628815874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
"Meray Pakistaniyoon, aap ne ghabrana nahi hai" - IK
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Breaking?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Breaking</a> from New York: Quotes from <a href="https://twitter.com/LodhiMaleeha?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LodhiMaleeha</a> <br><br>- This meeting nullifies India's claims that J&K is an internal matter of India<br>- Foreign Min of Pakistan confirms that this is just the first step, not the last step Pakistan has taken</p>— WSK (@WajSKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/WajSKhan/status/1162388798367522818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Important to note the balance in language here from Russia.<br><br>Here's the Russian Ambassador to the UN, tweeting just after the UNSC meeting today.<br><br>Remember that Russia's an old-time India ally and defence supplier. <br><br>Clearly, <a href="https://twitter.com/MOFAPakistan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MOFAPakistan</a> has made strides in Moscow. <a href="https://t.co/KjN7ul3Klx">https://t.co/KjN7ul3Klx</a></p>— WSK (@WajSKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/WajSKhan/status/1162404068628815874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
"Meray Pakistaniyoon, aap ne ghabrana nahi hai" - IK
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Russia has not stuck behind India, the language used suggests Russia will be neutral.
China will of course be behind Pakistan.
Will be interesting to see what the UK, US and France put out.
Also interesting this year we have South Africa and Indonesia as temp members, both pretty friendly to Pak,
China will of course be behind Pakistan.
Will be interesting to see what the UK, US and France put out.
Also interesting this year we have South Africa and Indonesia as temp members, both pretty friendly to Pak,
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Lots of Indians celebrating the fact that the UNSC refusal to use tough language against India and that Pakistan has zero influence in the Arab and Western world.
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Most are brainwashed or uneducated idiots. The statement of Russia alone is an embarrasment to India who feels Russia will have it's back.
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Lol. Russia called J and K India's internal matter. And KKWC thinks Russia will not support India. This is laughable.
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Difference between an educated PM and less educated PM is visible.
I said it...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> can both claim victory on UNSC consultation. Pak: we’re internationalizing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a>. India: It’s just a consultation.</p>— Michael Kugelman (@MichaelKugelman) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelKugelman/status/1162421760463167488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> can both claim victory on UNSC consultation. Pak: we’re internationalizing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a>. India: It’s just a consultation.</p>— Michael Kugelman (@MichaelKugelman) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelKugelman/status/1162421760463167488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Try reading the tweet above. They are staying neutral and not supporting India. This is the latest tweet on the day the UNSC met. Shame India wont ever be a UNSC member which it has been begging for .
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Unverified twitter account.
Still. From the same account.
https://twitter.com/Dpol_un/status/1162375489274691584?s=19
They said the same 10 days back.
Settle issue bilaterally.
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Basic English meaning Russia is staying neutral. Do you agree?
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If the likes of Russia were to cast a deciding vote, they would back India through and through versus Pakistan. There's no point in exposing any intentions in the meantime I suppose, especially when this isn't a vote at all.
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Russia have stated time after time they are neutral, they wont use their Veto for Indians lol.
Why do you think Russians care about Indians? They only care about selling India weapons to maximise their profits. In fact Russia might prefer Pakistan agitating India, who might spend more rupees instead of feeding the poor.
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They called it a bilateral matter and not a UN matter, thats rejecting the pak line that UN and other countries should intervene. How that neutral?
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Russia (and the Soviet Union) has vetoed for India several times in the past, including over Kashmir. Read up.
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Can you show one statement thats says Russia will be neutral?
They have voted againist pakistan at UNSC and FATF. Always with India.
Thing is Russia is among top 10-11 ecònomies in the world with huge oil reserves. They are not on a begging spree that monetary profit will mean everything.
How many times have Russia comeout and rejected pak statements about India, allgedly made by Russia.
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lol. Russia was present in the UN today. Lavrov stated he has no objection to a meeting of the UNSC over Kashmir. Russia believes both nations should sort this out but is happy for the UN to get involved.
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Live in present. Russia has said both nations should sort it out between themselves, indicating it will stay neutral. Next you'll be telling me India should get a seat because some Hindu emperor conquered the ganges river.
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So a UNSC permanent member should abstain? Why?
Did China Abstain when UNSC passed resolutions againist pakistanis?
It was a closed door consultation, not a regular UNSC meeting.
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Reports: Russia backed China's move for an open & formal UNSC meeting on Kashmir
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UN Security Council consultations on Kashmir - the Dominican Republic, the US & France sought to block the matter but Russia (India's long-standing ally) backed move for open & formal meeting, per multiple sources.</p>— Rezaul Hasan Laskar (@Rezhasan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/1162424025143844865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Considerable surprise (even more so among some Western diplomats I spoke to today) on position taken by Russia, which backed China's move for an open & formal meeting.</p>— Rezaul Hasan Laskar (@Rezhasan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/1162425125766983680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UN Security Council consultations on Kashmir - the Dominican Republic, the US & France sought to block the matter but Russia (India's long-standing ally) backed move for open & formal meeting, per multiple sources.</p>— Rezaul Hasan Laskar (@Rezhasan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/1162424025143844865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Considerable surprise (even more so among some Western diplomats I spoke to today) on position taken by Russia, which backed China's move for an open & formal meeting.</p>— Rezaul Hasan Laskar (@Rezhasan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rezhasan/status/1162425125766983680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Russia said its a bilateral matter.
Show me where is the use of the word neutral?
Is there any king from what is Pakistan today, who conquered anything?
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lol. Is this what they teach you in Indian schools? The word doesnt need to be present.
Ok, tell me where Russia has said the whole of Kashmir belongs to India, something which you Indians believe.
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Lol expected.
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This is more interesting than anything else that came out of that useless meeting 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today was a watershed moment in history as the world took a new turn in the struggle for Kashmir. That the UNSC met for the first time formally since 1965 to discuss Indian Occupied Kashmir was momentous.</p>— Shah Mahmood Qureshi (@SMQureshiPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/SMQureshiPTI/status/1162437471751352325?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This is more interesting than anything else that came out of that useless meeting
Russia real friend is China not India. Both have SCO agreements. China has Kashmiri territory and a lot of investment in Pakistan.
Indians will be upset with Russia but will never say it in public.
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In summary.
1. No effect whatsoever for India.
2. Imran saved his political career even though he could do nothing except using Twitter.
1. No effect whatsoever for India.
2. Imran saved his political career even though he could do nothing except using Twitter.
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This is just the beginning of this issue/conflict.
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Still Russia voted againist Pakistan in FATF and UNSC?
Many countries are members of SCO.
Go read article 9 of Indo Russia treaty.
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Do tag me if UN passes any resolution againist India.
No it's the end. Its an internal matte for India and the world wants to move on
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Nothing will happen. Ekta Kapoor can make a soap opera on this. All her serials begin with 'K' anyway, Kashmir would be a right fit.
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Im still waiting for you to show me where Russia agrees with the Indian position of Kashmir being their property?
Live in the moment, Russia and it's geo-political stance has changed as you can see from this news you have ignored.
What does neutral mean? Neutral means status quo. That means J&K is now part of India. You need to understand these nuances.
The comedy is actually on the Pakistanis side. All the Hitler talk and what happened? They are trying to portray this as a victory. Victory for what? What if this is an international issue? Now it's international issue and nobody cared. You think India didn't think it would become an international issue? They already managed all the countries that matter including OIC. This is embarrassing when you make so much noise, setup a meeting and people came ate their biscuits, drank coke and left.
Agree, Imran Khan is a twitter warrior.
Lol. This is actually better for India too. Now that Pak has been satisfied, everybody can go back to their lives and stop the drama.
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Russia said its a bilateral matter. Means only India and Pakistan.
Pakistan wanted intervention. No one is intervening.
And according to you, it's an internal matter...
Oh man. You are losing it. Why will Russia say entire kashmir belongs to India? Was this meeting about that? It was actually a smart prank by the Russians. Everybody knows Shimla agreement is dead after Pak went to UNSC. By asking you to deal this bilaterally, they are taking India's stand. It means they won't bother. We all know India won't have a bilateral discussion on this. Stop being desperate and read these things carefully
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After IK's historic white house visit and phone call.
Trump says Pakistan should solve the Kashmir matter bilaterally with India.
https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/1162425833329430528?s=19
Trump says Pakistan should solve the Kashmir matter bilaterally with India.
https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/1162425833329430528?s=19
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Kashmiris are still not allowed out of their homes or on the internet. You call this over?
Neutral means " 1. adjective
If a person or country adopts a neutral position or remains neutral, they do not support anyone in a disagreement, war, or contest. " Collins dictionary, try buying one.
Russia doesn't agree Kashmir belongs to India.
Again this is the begnining, calm before the strom.
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Are you in the BJP party?
A simple question
"Show me where Russia agrees with the Indian position of Kashmir being their property?"
USA agrees Jerusalum is Israels capital. Does Russia agree with Indias view on Kashmir? If not, it's neutral.
Kashmiris are still not allowed out of their homes or on the internet. You call this over?
Neutral means " 1. adjective
If a person or country adopts a neutral position or remains neutral, they do not support anyone in a disagreement, war, or contest. " Collins dictionary, try buying one.
Russia doesn't agree Kashmir belongs to India.
Again this is the begnining, calm before the strom.
You need to calm down before posting. The current position is that India has annexed Kashmir. Onus is on Pakistan to change that. The reason for the UNSC drama is to facilitate that. Did that happen? No. So they sat down behind closed doors and discussed for a few min. What was the result of it? J&K is still part of India. Isn't it? Why did the defender of democracies, lol, China asked for a closed door meeting? Their face is already black with Hongkong , uighurs and they feared embarrassment if somebody raises these. This is come sort of a face saving act by Pakistanis that fetched no result. now you need to understand the words status quo, neutral, support. China just did you a lip service by asking for a closed door meeting and made a fool of themselves.
Kashmiris are still not allowed out of their homes or on the internet. You call this over?
Neutral means " 1. adjective
If a person or country adopts a neutral position or remains neutral, they do not support anyone in a disagreement, war, or contest. " Collins dictionary, try buying one.
Russia doesn't agree Kashmir belongs to India.
Again this is the begnining, calm before the strom.
Good that you read the dictionary. Now try to understand it. Neutral position here indicates they think it's an internal Indian issue as they always maintained. Did they say they will remain neutral in a war? Dont be so desperate. How can you wage a war with 6 bil in the bank? Russia is a huge supplier of arms to India. They will be happy to bed with India the moment the war starts.
China will start to realize their loss of credibility by siding with Pak on these unwinnable issues. They were embarrassed recently with the Masood Azhar case and now this. They are a proud people who care about how their country is perceived. Pak should be careful
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China wanted a formal UNSC meeting.
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Which thèy didnot get. They also circulated a draft public statement, critical of India that they wanted to be made. Also rejected.
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Which is why no one intervening. They are asking Pakistan to take up with India.
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I am in India Party.
Pakistan wants intervention in Kashmir. Is Russia intervening? If not, its with India.
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I know, was just pointing out that they didn't ask for a closed door meeting.
This is what I saw:
A report in PTI quoted a top UN diplomat as saying that China, an all-weather ally of Pakistan, had asked for "closed consultations" in the UN Security Council to discuss the Kashmir issue after Islamabad wrote a letter seeking a meeting. The diplomat told PTI on condition of anonymity that a request for such a meeting was submitted very recently.
"China asked for closed consultations on the Security Council agenda item 'India Pakistan Question'. The request was in reference to the Pakistani letter to Security Council President," the diplomat said.
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[QUOTE]Facing a barrage of questions in a press briefing following the historic meeting at the UN headquarters in New York, Akbaruddin said that India is committed to the Simla accord inked with Pakistan in 1972, which explicitly declared the Kashmir as dispute between the two countries.
“So let me begin by coming across to you and shaking your hand… as we’ve already extended our hand of friendship by saying we are committed to Simla agreement. Let us wait on that from the Pakistani side,” said the Indian ambassador while awkwardly reaching out to Pakistani journalists and shaking hands with them.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]Facing a barrage of questions in a press briefing following the historic meeting at the UN headquarters in New York, Akbaruddin said that India is committed to the Simla accord inked with Pakistan in 1972, which explicitly declared the Kashmir as dispute between the two countries.
“So let me begin by coming across to you and shaking your hand… as we’ve already extended our hand of friendship by saying we are committed to Simla agreement. Let us wait on that from the Pakistani side,” said the Indian ambassador while awkwardly reaching out to Pakistani journalists and shaking hands with them.[/QUOTE]
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"violence is not the solution to the problems that we face" - yeah go tell that to Indian soldiers raping and murdering Kashmiris.
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UN Security Council has its first meeting on Kashmir in decades -- and fails to agree on a statement.
France, Germany and the United States objected to language that might have broadened the issue beyond the possibility of future bilateral talks between India and Pakistan, said the diplomat.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...a/un-security-council-kashmir-intl/index.html
France, Germany and the United States objected to language that might have broadened the issue beyond the possibility of future bilateral talks between India and Pakistan, said the diplomat.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...a/un-security-council-kashmir-intl/index.html
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This UN ambassador looked edgy, quite clearly lying.
They talk about terror, its laughable they have no intention to **** down and talk.
They talk about terror, its laughable they have no intention to **** down and talk.
Isn't AJK or Gilgit disputed? That's part of Kashmir and Shimla agreement right? Why are you celebrating on crumbs when somebody already toasted a huge bread and ate it? The idea is to move this into a "bilateral" thing and then not agree to bilateral discussions. Same playbook India has been using for decades.
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‘So what was the outcome of the closed door huddle at the United Nations headquarters in New York?
Not much. According to a UN diplomat, council members failed to even come up with a statement to the press -- the lowest level of Council action
UN diplomats said countries disagreed on wording of a statement, with some fearing any comment would escalate tensions or would show bias towards Pakistan by simply holding the meeting.’
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...a/un-security-council-kashmir-intl/index.html
This is the outcome for now....
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Pak should play it cool they hav the law on their side.
What else did anybody expect? India has letter of accession, Pak has none. Article 370 was part of Indian constitution. Pak never acknowledged it. Why are they objecting to something they believe isn't valid? World doesn't care about Kashmir. They care about their own national interests and align themselves with what their corporates want. India is a huge market. India is a country in an upswing. Above all these, world is desensitized to Muslim plight. They've been hearing about Palestine, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Chechenya, Iraq, Syria, yemen etc etc. Compare Kashmir to these places. Palestine is a gone case. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria have gone back to stone ages with millions dead. A few days of curfiew is no big deal compared to those.
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that was only a diplomacy move ...
and that somebody gonna choke to death for eating a huge bread ...only time will tell...
According to a UN diplomat, council members failed to even come up with a statement to the press -- the lowest level of Council action.
Bh@kths often complain about presence of international media in Kashmir and their biased reporting but it helps international community to get a fair idea about actual ground situation
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One thing those 3 pakistani reporters should have prepared their questions properly.
that was only a diplomacy move ...
and that somebody gonna choke to death for eating a huge bread ...only time will tell...
Yeah, it's difficult to manage initially. That's why there's a curfiew. That's why there are 800k soldiers to maintain peace and save lives. This will play out slowly depending on what GOI does with the people.
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a friendly advice from neighbour, dont lift the curfew ...
They have to. No choice. But again don't overestimate Kashmir either. A few hundred or thousand will be managed. The rest have prospects and they still live in their own homes, make a living. Only a few hundred terrorists after 70 years of Azadi beat should tell you that majority lost hopes for Azadi years ago. They made peace with the situation. Let's hope I'm right for the sake of Kashmiri lives. Death is no good for either parties and nobody should hope kashmiris should die.
And which law is that?
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This is really hard for me to understand, India/Indians consider kashmir as a part of India thus by default people who live there are Indian right?
Right now they are basically in a prison. No body has any idea whats really going on there due to complete communication cut. Given the history of violence against the people of Kashmir, god knows what happening there with a communication blackout. their loved ones are desperate to get in touch with them. They will be desperate to return to normal life and keep their children safe.
I guess what I dont understand is why are Indians all over so gleeful so happy your own people are suffering and in a desperate situation. Have you guys lost you humanity seriously celebrating the misery of your own blood..
Read about preventive detention for security purposes. It is not rocket science to understand that kashmiris will not like 370 repeal and there is a possibility of mass deaths. GOI or rather any government has the authority to take this action in the best interests of the society. Lack of internet for a few days is worse than mourning a death in one's family? People have food, shelter and emergency medical services. Also remember that this is limited to parts of Kashmir. The restrictions have been lifted in Jammu already.
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rocket science... hope your never put in that situation. Any ways hope the people of Kashmir will feel the same as you once this is all done. hope you stand by them and support them as their fellow Indian.
They will have to eventually. I hope it's sooner so lives are spared. Common sense dictates that there is no other choice.
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Worked previously for few years in the UN HQ here in NYC & know how it works - all of this is a complete lip-service from China. For years, China blocked resolutions in UNSC on behalf of Pak against Mumbai blast terrorists & other measures, now other countries are blocking any resolution against India. China also knows it cant go too deep into this matter without somebody taking up resolution against it regarding HK or Xinjiang, so it didn’t force any resolution in the Kashmir matter. Hell, the very fact that till date UN couldn’t get India to officially recognize UNMOGIP- the UN agency monitoring Kashmir - even after 50 years, shows that it has very little leverage against India in this matter. It is futile to expect UN to solve the Kashmir conundrum.
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