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Reminds of this morning, when I got up and suddenly found my father running into my room and going "OBAMA'S DEAD", I was like 'great' let WW3 begin, went up to the TV and saw Osama. :facepalm:
 
duostyle said:
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Reminds of this morning, when I got up and suddenly found my father running into my room and going "OBAMA'S DEAD", I was like 'great' let WW3 begin, went up to the TV and saw Osama. :facepalm:
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This lady on indiatv just said 'america ne obama ko maar giraya' haha
 
The Obama administration has photographs of Osama bin Laden’s dead body and officials are debating what to do with them and whether they should be released to the public, officials tell ABC News.

“There’s no doubt it’s him,” says a US official who has seen the pictures and also reminds us that OBL was 6’4”.

The argument for releasing them: to ensure that the public knows and can appreciate that he's dead. There is of course skepticism throughout the world that the US government claim that it killed bin Laden is true.

The argument against releasing the pictures: they’re gruesome. He has a massive head wound above his left eye where he took bullet, with brains and blood visible.

In July 2003, the US government released photographs of Saddam Hussein’s dead sons Uday and Qusay Hussain but not until after they’d been touched up by a mortician, making them look not quite real.
 
Yep,just as predicted.Angry words is/will be exchanged.

Pakistan is coming under increasing pressure from US politicians. US Senate Homeland Security Chairman Joseph Lieberman says Islamabad must prove to the US that it knew nothing about the Bin Laden compound.
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http://www.thestar.com/news/world/a...-courier-to-bin-laden-s-pakistan-hideout?bn=1


"That bin Laden could be in Abbottabad unknown to authorities “is a bit amazing” Hamid Gul, a former Pakistani intelligence chief fiercely critical of America's presence in the region, told the Associated Press.Aside from the military “there is the local police, the Intelligence Bureau, Military Intelligence, the ISI, they all had a presence there.”"
 
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WithLoveFromCanada said:
And whats worrying is that Obama lied in his speech. He said no loss of US lives but a US helicopter was shot down and you can see it in numerous news. Who will question Obama here???
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It wasnt shot down :facepalm: there was a problem with the helicopter. The navy seals destroyed it and continued on with their operation.
 
well just listening to the news now and it is being said that "if pakistan couldn't or wouldn't do anything about Osama, we said we would take action". Something along those lines. Then they also said that without Pakistan, the fight on terrorism would be inconceivable. What is up with the mixed messages?
 
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It wasnt shot down :facepalm: there was a problem with the helicopter. The navy seals destroyed it and continued on with their operation.
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You'd think that with the amount of money that's been spent on Iraq and Afghan (1.2 trillion dollars to date), a khataara helicopter would be the last thing one would expect.
 
WASHINGTON — Cooperation with Pakistan helped lead the United States to the hideout where Osama bin Laden was killed by US forces, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Monday.
The chief US diplomat played up Washington's cooperation with Islamabad despite doubts she and other US officials have voiced in the past about Pakistani willingness to work with the United States to root out Al-Qaeda.
It is "important to note that our counter-terrorism cooperation over a number of years now with Pakistan contributed greatly to our efforts to dismantle Al-Qaeda," Clinton told reporters
"In fact, cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound in which he was hiding," Clinton said.
Doubts about Pakistan's commitment to fighting Al-Qaeda were revived after US forces shot and killed Bin Laden in a heavily-fortified villa in the heart of Abbottabad, a garrison city two hours by road north of Islamabad.
But a senior US intelligence official said: "We have no indications that the Pakistanis were aware that Osama bin Laden was at the compound in Abbottabad."
Clinton stirred outrage during a visit to Pakistan in October 2009 when she took issue with Islamabad's position that the Al-Qaeda leadership is not in Pakistan.
"Al-Qaeda has had safe haven in Pakistan since 2002," Clinton told senior Pakistani newspaper editors in the country's cultural capital, Lahore.
"I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn't get them if they really wanted to," she added.
However, Clinton put the emphasis here Monday on the common cause made by both the United States and Pakistan.
"Bin Laden declared war on Pakistan a few years ago," she said, adding he "was an enemy of the United States and an enemy of Pakistan.
"It was important for us to work as closely as we could with our Pakistani counterparts and it remains so," Clinton said.
"We're committed to this partnership, we think it is in the best interest of the security and safety of the United States," she said.
Analysts say elements of the Pakistani military and intelligence services want to keep links with both Al-Qaeda and the Taliban as they seem them as a buffer for arch-enemy India's influence in Afghanistan once US forces pull out

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Sorry but I always knew osama was in pak. And not even underground but in the open.

Also I read that Obama gave the order without permission from Pak. The forces just entered Pak like that, executed Osama, by this time Pak was just prepping dogfighters when all was said and done to check out who entered their country like that!

If only india could learn a lesson here... this is how you kill daewood.
 
Cracket said:
Sorry but I always knew osama was in pak. And not even underground but in the open.

Also I read that Obama gave the order without permission from Pak. The forces just entered Pak like that, executed Osama, by this time Pak was just prepping dogfighters when all was said and done to check out who entered their country like that!

If only india could learn a lesson here... this is how you kill daewood.
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Except that the dogfighters would not have stopped if it was Indian forces that entered the country.
 
John Brennan's press conference reveals some more detail.

1936: Mr Brennan says US forces built a replica of Bin Laden's mansion in order to practise their assault.
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1953: The White House says the woman killed when US forces stormed Bin Laden's mansion was one of his wives.
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House burned down, no pictures of dead bodies, quick burial-that too in a sea ,zardari not informed, American navy seals in an area near the Pakistan military base without the Pak govt's permission, and just the other day wikileaks said USA sees ISI as terrorists. Oh and all of this just a year before the elections.

Alot of questions here. Pakistan is clearly going to be the scapegoat here. Is this the first step towards Pakistani invasion to protect the "nukes"??
 
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Any idea where his wife and daughter are? And what would happen to them?
 
MC said:
Any idea where his wife and daughter are? And what would happen to them?
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Geo reported that his 12 year daughter was recovered alive by the ISI and one woman (could be his wife) who was shot in the leg is being treated at CMH Abbotabad.
 
Shahid Afridi's Fan said:
Alot of questions here. Pakistan is clearly going to be the scapegoat here. Is this the first step towards Pakistani invasion to protect the "nukes"??
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right , so they fake everything to prop up Obama's reelection and risk the embarrassment of bin Laden popping out again randomly with a new tape ? ..
 
By the way rembemer what that Khalid Sheikh guy said in the wikileaks - if osama was killed , a nuclear weapon would explode in a secret location in the heart of europe..probably just bluster but worth mentioning.
 
Shahid Afridi's Fan said:
no pictures of dead bodies
quick burial-that too in a sea
Is this the first step towards Pakistani invasion to protect the "nukes"??
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1.Pictures are going to be released in due course but they are very gory and will have to be modified as Bin Laden suffered serious wounds (reports of apparently the side of his head being exposed to the brain or something) which you wouldn't want to show in a photo.

2.It is the same reason why Spandau Prison was demolished after the death of the last prisoner,as there were fears neo-Nazis would use it as a shrine.

You wouldn't want to parade OBL's body in front of the world's media,antagonizing his supporters into bloody and violent revenge.

3.The US are not happy that Pakistan owns nuclear weapons but they certainly will not launch a military operation to take the nukes away.

Pakistan owning nuclear weapons is an irritant.

A military operation to remove nuclear weapons from Pakistan will be an end to civilization.

America may be all too happy sometimes to pull the trigger,but even they will not go that far.

Communist Cuba was an irritant,being in Uncle Sam's back yard,but a military reaction to the missiles on the Soviets would have lead to a lot of humanity being wiped out.
 
RexRex said:
right , so they fake everything to prop up Obama's reelection and risk the embarrassment of bin Laden popping out again randomly with a new tape ? ..
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I am not saying that this is a hoax but there are many people out there who have these questions..btw i guess you dont know that Osama had over 11 look alikes and many people belive(d) that he died back in 02 in Tora Bora..
 
How many wives and children he had? I always hear 'lots' as an answer. I'm quite curious about his personal life...
 
It must be noted. Whatever the intentions of Bin Laden, whoever the heck he might have been, he did more damage to the Muslim World than he did to the West.
 
Levity said:
It must be noted. Whatever the intentions of Bin Laden, whoever the heck he might have been, he did more damage to the Muslim World than he did to the West.
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hmmmm debatable

In many ways he kicked off some of the problems of the west and winds of change in the muslim world...

some of the increasing bitterness between the muslim and non-muslim world could end up in the destined war between us before the end of times.
 
Levity said:
It must be noted. Whatever the intentions of Bin Laden, whoever the heck he might have been, he did more damage to the Muslim World than he did to the West.
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Summed up quite succinctly and poignantly there from you Levity.For once,I agree.

Was expecting more of a trademark hard-hitting,ironic but acerbic post about the flaws of the Caucasian race :poodle
 
Can you all take the time out to consider a few points below involving Osama Bin Laden:

- OBL is apparently the spiritual head of Al Qaeda and has in the past been caught on video spouting his hate for USA and celebrating 9/11.

- In recent years there has been a few audio releases but no video messages by OBL.

- Is there any logical reason why OBL has been unable to release video messages to thr world? Surely as the head of Al Qaeda he wants to give messages to the world and surely this is possible in a house in Abbottabad? Ordinary Camcorders do not have GPS facilities so he would not have been tracked.

- Is there any other logical reason why OBL in recent years has not produced video messages? It is unlikely to be scared of USA especially if he did order 9/11.

- Has he ever CLEARLY admitted 9/11 or just mentioned it or celebrated the atrocity?

- OBL apparently had very bad kidneys / regular dialisys, which needs medical care and equipment.

- Why dump the body in the sea? The official line is so he is not worshipped but was the same done in the past i.e. Saddam Hussein? Have other terrorists been given water burials too?

If you consider the points above than hopefully you some of you will see all the latest media frenzy in a different perspective. I honestly believe that OBL is dead. There is little doubt there for me, but I believe he died long before the USA 'warriors' turned up in Abbottabad because if he was alive than he would have continued to release video messages from a mansion. No reason not to do so.

I cannot comment on whether OBL deserved to die because as far as I am aware, he has never admitted to 9/11. If yes he did, than good riddance but I want a bit more proof as there are many unanswered questions.

Afghanistan pre 9/11 was run by the taleban who were hard on their countryman but let the world get on with their business. This country has been destroyed and bombed to death as they are hosts to OBL. Can the Western forces now leave as getting OBL was their sole reason for war.
 
Levity said:
It must be noted. Whatever the intentions of Bin Laden, whoever the heck he might have been, he did more damage to the Muslim World than he did to the West.
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Very true.

Muslims became the major victim of his actions.
 
BIN LADEN - MORE DANGEROUS DEAD THEN ALIVE.
May 02, 2011

www.ericmargolis.com

The assassination of Osama bin Laden by US Special Forces in Abbotabad, Pakistan will likely assure Barack Obama’s victory in the 2012 presidential race. Republican hawks will have a hard time pressing their claims that Obama is “soft on terrorism.”
Details about the killing of bin Laden remain obscure. The mission, a joint operation between CIA and Special Forces, appeared to have been mounted from a US-controlled air base in Pakistan – without the advance knowledge of Pakistan’s government. US sources say Osama was shot twice in the head; his son was also killed.

Bin Laden’s body was photographed and then apparently dumped into the sea from a US aircraft. Washington claims this was done to observe Muslim funeral rites calling for almost immediate burial. This sounds preposterous.

The real reason was more likely to prevent bin Laden’s burial site from becoming a shrine and, some cynics will assert, getting rid of the evidence. Expect endless claims that a bin Laden double was killed while the real McCoy still haunts Pakistan’s badlands. Various fakes videotapes used to depict bin Laden as the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks used doubles.

Gleeful Americans are rejoicing that the man credited with the monstrous crime of 9/11 has been killed after a ten year search. More thoughtful ones may stop to ponder the remarkable Quixotic drama of a single man who set out to overturn the mighty American Imperium.

To people of the Muslim world, where many hailed bin Laden as a hero and liberator from Western domination, his killing in Pakistan will recall American gangland rub-outs and bodies dumped in New Jersey’s waters and swamps. Particularly after NATO warplanes killed Muammar Gadaffi’s youngest son and three grandchildren in Libya.

Expect already acid US-Pakistan relations to yet worsen as Americans accuse Pakistan of sheltering bin Laden for a decade. This writer has long said that Bin Laden was in Pakistan, and likely with at least some knowledge of ISI, Pakistani intelligence, though its able former Director General, Hamid Gul, whose word I respect, disputes this claim.

It is most unfortunate that bin Laden was literally rubbed out. If he could have been taken alive, the co-founder of al-Qaida should have been brought to the United States to stand trial in New York City, or, failing that, on a military base – but with lawyers and a civilian jury under full US law.

The whole story of 9/11 and al-Qaida remains murky and confused. Fully a third of Americans don’t accept the official US government version of 9/11, believing the US government or Israel were somehow involved – without any conclusive evidence but a lot of angry questions.

Much of the rest of the world also disbelieves the official 9/11 version. In the Muslim world the percentage of disbelievers rises to over 80%.

Now, after bin Laden’s death, we may never really know. Dead men tell no tales. Bin Laden long claimed he had no role in 9/11. Yet he certainly gave his approval and support after the fact. Those al-Qaida suspects brutally tortured by CIA into confessions are unreliable sources of evidence that would never stand up in US courts.


One point I want to set to rest: based on my long experience in Afghanistan and Pakistan and with jihadi groups and bin Laden’s mentor and guide, Sheik Azzam, I can say with a high level of assurance that bin Laden never worked for or with CIA, as has been often claimed. They were merely on the same side during the anti-Soviet struggle.

A big question now is what justification will Washington come up with to keep 150,000 Western troops in Afghanistan?
Hunting down bin Laden was, remember, the primary reason for sending US troops to that remote nation. No doubt Taliban and its leader Mullah Omar will be morphed by the US media machine into a bin Laden stand-ins.

What of al-Qaida? This extremist group, as I have been writing since 1999, was tiny. Never more than 300 men in 2001. Today, the core al-Qaida in Pakistan consists of a handful of hunted men. CIA chief Leon Panetta asserted that there were something less than 50 al-Qaida members in Afghanistan. There may be a hundred in Pakistan – all on the run.

North America’s media and the Bush administration wildly exaggerated the menace, strength and reach of al-Qaida, panicking Americans into believing, as the analyst Kevin Phillips wrote, that suburban soccer moms in the deepest Midwest were petrified Osama bin Laden was coming for their kids.

The specter of al-Qaida provided a handy pretext to invade Afghanistan to secure strategic territory next to Central Asian oil, keep China out of that region, and double spending on arms. The invasion of oil-rich Iraq was also justified by patently false White House claims Saddam Hussein was in cahoots with Osama bin Laden over 9/11.

Al-Qaida “affiliates” in North Africa, Arabia, and south Asia are simply small groups of local militants who have taken the al-Qaida brand name without having any organic or communications links to the remnants of the core al-Qaida in Pakistan. They are more a dangerous nuisance than a deadly threat.

Osama bin Laden may well and truly be dead. He predicted long ago he would die a martyr in a gunfight with US forces. Bin Laden has been more or less retired for the past 8-10 years, spending his time and energies in staying alive with a $25 million price on his head. He had almost become irrelevant.

Al-Qaida’s number two, the Egyptian Ayman al-Zawahiri, remains at large and is now titular head of what remains of the organization of which he has been operations chief for many years. Dr. Zawahiri, who was brutally tortured in Egypt, is a dangerous extremist with much blood on his hands and a lust for revenge.

Bin Laden is dead, but bin-Ladenism lives on. Osama’s primary goal was to end Western domination of the Muslim world, and exploitation of its resources, which he claimed were being plundered. The Western-backed dictators, generals and kings that ruled the Muslim world as overseers for foreign interests had to be overthrown proclaimed bin Laden.

The Muslim world rejected bin Laden’s bloody-mindedness and his utopian calls for a reborn Islamic caliphate, but many of its people, particularly so younger ones, embraced his calls for revolutions to liberate the region from brutal dictatorships that licked the West’s boots, spread corruption, and betrayed the cause of Palestine. Husni Mubarak’s Egypt amply fit this description.

Osama bin Laden lived long enough to see the revolutions that he had helped ignite among young people burst into towering flames. In this sense, bin Ladenism will prosper and spread, enhanced by the image of Osama the martyr.

The Saudi revolutionary leaves another legacy. He repeatedly stated that the only way to drive the US from the Muslim world and defeat its satraps was by drawing the United States into a series of small but expensive wars that would ultimately bankrupt it. The United States under President George W. Bush and then Barack Obama rushed right into bin Laden’s carefully laid trap.

Today, the nearly bankrupt United States is spending hundreds of billons annually waging small wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, and the Sahara. Grotesquely overblown military spending and debt addiction are crippling United States. That is why the ghost of bin Laden may be smiling.30

copyright Eric S. Margolis 2011
 
Markhor said:
Summed up quite succinctly and poignantly there from you Levity.For once,I agree.

Was expecting more of a trademark hard-hitting,ironic but acerbic post about the flaws of the Caucasian race :poodle
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This feels awkwardly nice. :moyo
 
The extent of some people's idiocy in this thread is unbelievable. Cracket's post about 'omgzzz America got in so ezyyyyy we should do da same for dawood' is possibly the most stupid thing I have ever read. Firstly, it would take an absolute imbecile to assume that Pakistan had no idea three helicopters were that deep in our territory. Secondly, if any stupid Indian RAW agents actually attempted this and succeeded (lol, not gonna happen), there would be immediate war.
 
Nobody is going to believe this until we have some video/audio proof of the dead body.
 
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2112: CNN reports US authorities are expecting the release of a new audio tape recorded by Osama Bin Laden to be broadcast after his death - a recording his supporters will call a "martyr tape".
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iHammad said:
Nobody is going to believe this until we have some video/audio proof of the dead body.
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Looks like we will soon get it.

2104: The Pentagon has video of Bin Laden's burial at sea and will probably soon release it, the Associated Press reports.
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A video tape made by the Pentagon showing a body dumped in the sea is not evidence. Evidence has to confirmed by an independent source.
 
BTW if that house Bin Laden was in is valued at £600,000 my family in Pak must be multi millionaires.
 
@ anand, so long as you and your beta countrymen continue to post your hate mongering posts in this thread, I will continue to expose them as such.

Indians never miss an opportunity to call on action against Pakistan. You try to hide behind this using the guise of the threat of terrorism but we all bloody well know it's more than that. It's obvious that 90% of Indian posts here are nothing but shy's at Pakistan's army and intelligence services, to make us look like some sort of imbeciles. One has to wonder if the ISI is so inept and idiotic how they managed to train a team of terrorists to inflict the worst terrorist attack on Indian soil?

You can't have it both ways; some days were cunning criminal geniuses and the other we're the caught pissing in the wind? Do you know what that shows to me? Your insincerity when it comes to matters involving Pakistan. You are the ones that hate us, we don't care what happens in your backwards poverty ridden country. You are the ones that constantly call upon the world to lock us out, put embargo's on us, to punish us, to invade our sovereignty.

This is why you'll fail and continue to do so, you have the minds, morals, and attitudes of a jealous, scorned, woman. The chick might marry a gold digger or two and get some money along the way, but in the end she's nothing but a high price whore dressed in a fancy outfit. No one loves her and everybody knows she's nothing more than an opportunistic trick.
 
LowkeyP said:
@ anand, so long as you and your beta countrymen continue to post your hate mongering posts in this thread, I will continue to expose them as such.

Indians never miss an opportunity to call on action against Pakistan. You try to hide behind this using the guise of the threat of terrorism but we all bloody well know it's more than that. It's obvious that 90% of Indian posts here are nothing but shy's at Pakistan's army and intelligence services, to make us look like some sort of imbeciles. One has to wonder if the ISI is so inept and idiotic how they managed to train a team of terrorists to inflict the worst terrorist attack on Indian soil?

You can't have it both ways; some days were cunning criminal geniuses and the other we're the caught pissing in the wind? Do you know what that shows to me? Your insincerity when it comes to matters involving Pakistan. You are the ones that hate us, we don't care what happens in your backwards poverty ridden country. You are the ones that constantly call upon the world to lock us out, put embargo's on us, to punish us, to invade our sovereignty.

This is why you'll fail and continue to do so, you have the minds, morals, and attitudes of a jealous, scorned, woman. The chick might marry a gold digger or two and get some money along the way, but in the end she's nothing but a high price whore dressed in a fancy outfit. No one loves her and everybody knows she's nothing more than an opportunistic trick.
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The whole world is talking and not only Indians. Are you going to ask everyone to stop talking?

You should be angered at your army and govt to keep OBL as their guest.
 
2042: Senator Frank Lautenberg, a New Jersey Democrat, wants to know how Bin Laden could live undetected so close to Pakistan's capital and next to a major military installation. He notes President Obama has requested $3bn (£1.8bn) in foreign aid to Pakistan next year. "Before we send another dime, we need to know whether Pakistan truly stands with us in the fight against terrorism," Mr Lautenberg said in a statement.
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Pakistan has suffered Rs2.1 trillion of damage and casualties of 22,000 soldiers and civilians.If that is not a sign of loyalty I don't know what is.
 
KingKhanWC said:
A video tape made by the Pentagon showing a body dumped in the sea is not evidence. Evidence has to confirmed by an independent source.
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What is an independent source according to you in this case? The body is with US army ?


Who else can give you the video?
 
LowkeyP said:
@ anand, so long as you and your beta countrymen continue to post your hate mongering posts in this thread, I will continue to expose them as such.

Indians never miss an opportunity to call on action against Pakistan. You try to hide behind this using the guise of the threat of terrorism but we all bloody well know it's more than that. It's obvious that 90% of Indian posts here are nothing but shy's at Pakistan's army and intelligence services, to make us look like some sort of imbeciles. One has to wonder if the ISI is so inept and idiotic how they managed to train a team of terrorists to inflict the worst terrorist attack on Indian soil?

You can't have it both ways; some days were cunning criminal geniuses and the other we're the caught pissing in the wind? Do you know what that shows to me? Your insincerity when it comes to matters involving Pakistan. You are the ones that hate us, we don't care what happens in your backwards poverty ridden country. You are the ones that constantly call upon the world to lock us out, put embargo's on us, to punish us, to invade our sovereignty.

This is why you'll fail and continue to do so, you have the minds, morals, and attitudes of a jealous, scorned, woman. The chick might marry a gold digger or two and get some money along the way, but in the end she's nothing but a high price whore dressed in a fancy outfit. No one loves her and everybody knows she's nothing more than an opportunistic trick.
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Forget the my "beta" countrymen. Show me an instance where I posted hate mongering posts. The only one spewing hatred is you and it is quite concerning how much hatred you have in you.
 
KingKhanWC said:
A video tape made by the Pentagon showing a body dumped in the sea is not evidence. Evidence has to confirmed by an independent source.
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There must be local residents in the area with eyewitness account of the actual operation.But you won't get the body from an independent source except the Pentagon.
 
Garuda said:
The whole world is talking and not only Indians. Are you going to ask everyone to stop talking?

You should be angered at your army and govt to keep OBL as their guest.
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The whole world has other motivations. We both know where all the talk from across the border is coming from.

The whole world didn't fight 3 wars with us either. The talk isn't at issue, its the intentions and the happiness some of your brothers are showing in their posts. Its sickening to think they'd be pleased with military actions against Pakistan.
 
Cracket said:
Sorry but I always knew osama was in pak. And not even underground but in the open.

Also I read that Obama gave the order without permission from Pak. The forces just entered Pak like that, executed Osama, by this time Pak was just prepping dogfighters when all was said and done to check out who entered their country like that!

If only india could learn a lesson here... this is how you kill daewood.
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:))) :))) :))) What a post.

India forever stays fantasising about attacking Pakistan. I remember after Mumbai attacks how you guys were screaming for Pakistan to be attacked. What happened?

Please stop dreaming.
 
Markhor said:
Pakistan has suffered Rs2.1 trillion of damage and casualties of 22,000 soldiers and civilians.If that is not a sign of loyalty I don't know what is.
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Exactly what I had guessed will be done by US opposition.

Anyway, your figure may be true but that doesn't cover the question of how OBL was living in Army area so easily for so long.
 
Garuda said:
What is an independent source according to you in this case? The body is with US army ?


Who else can give you the video?
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All they had to do is to invite journalists to view the body and view the DNA evidence before dumping it in the sea. After Iraq even many conservatives can't take the US at face value and I certainly never will.
 
Garuda said:
Exactly what I had guessed will be done by US opposition.

Anyway, your figure may be true but that doesn't cover the question of how OBL was living in Army area so easily for so long.
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If Pakistani forces carried out the operation then there would be a backlash from ALL factions of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda,that we are 'traitors' and would have used that as a sign of American loyalty.

What will America bear the brunt of after this ?

A few military casualties and perhaps a couple of helicopters shot down.

Pakistan,had it masterminded a solo operation and admitted that publically,would suffer scores of civilians and military personnel being killed.

And Pakistan may still suffer that,regardless whether it had a major role in this operation or not.

So Pakistan is being attacked by all sides ; from the West regarding loyalty,from all sides within South and Central Asia regarding Afghan influence and within its own country by militants.

That is why the Pakistan authorities are being very careful about their language so far.

Rs2.1 trillion is about $24billion,which is only the minimum estimate.Others say damage suffered is up to $35billion.

It looks like no reward or compensation is heading Pakistan's way,the questions have already been asked about our 'double game'.

Pakistan has every right to preserve its national interest,everyone knows that the end-game in Afghanistan is becoming a geo-political chess match,with India,China,Russia,Iran and Pakistan all vying for some form of regional hegemony.
 
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KingKhanWC said:
All they had to do is to invite journalists to view the body and view the DNA evidence before dumping it in the sea. After Iraq even many conservatives can't take the US at face value and I certainly never will.
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It seems they are going to release the pics and videos sometime. So that should suffice.

Getting DNA matching evidence by journalists is not a big deal. But can you understand the DNA matching report and agree that its genuine? Cuz you can still doubt.
 
Markhor said:
If Pakistani forces carried out the operation then there would be a backlash from ALL factions of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda,that we are 'traitors' and would have used that as a sign of American loyalty.

What will America bear the brunt of after this ?

A few military casualties and perhaps a couple of helicopters shot down.

Pakistan,had it masterminded a solo operation and admitted that publically,would suffer scores of civilians and military personnel being killed.

And Pakistan may still suffer that,regardless whether it had a major role in this operation or not.

So Pakistan is being attacked by all sides ; from the West regarding loyalty,from all sides regarding Afghan influence and within its own country by militants.

That is why the Pakistan authorities are being very careful about their language so far.

Rs2.1 trillion is about $24billion,which is only the minimum estimate.Others say damage suffered is up to $35billion.

It looks like no reward or compensation is heading Pakistan's way,the questions have already been asked about our 'double game'.

Pakistan has every right to preserve its national interest,everyone knows that the end-game in Afghanistan is becoming a geo-political chess match,with India,China,Russia,Iran and Pakistan all vying for some form of regional hegemony.
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Yes, they have the right to preserve national interest, but due to OBL case, it has back fired.

If he was found in the tribal area or in the border, these questions wouldn't have arised. Everyone would be praising Pakistan Army now. But the thing is he was found in the Army's neibourhood, safely living has raised the "double game" question.

So either Pakistan army, intelligent were really incompetent or they were playing double game with US.
 
LowkeyP said:
They're not, but the ISI is. You guys don't credit them enough, clever folk. I quite like them.

If it weren't for them God knows what would be of Pakistan right now.
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Yep, nobody credits the ISI enough (except Indians when they're running their conspiracy theories)

Anyway I doubt that this will actually accomplish anything
 
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the Great Khan said:
to the Indian trolls, plz shut your traps and worry about your own problems..

Firstly the ISI was involved in the planning of this operation..pasha met panetta on April the 11th and this was one topic of discussion..the ISI had located OBl and a joint op was carried out to elimnate the target..

ISI ground teams were involved..you can see them in the geo report for a few seconds..

Zardari was not informed till later..the americans realise his time is up..

Ssg personell were also involved..

The mission was carried out using teams based at tarbela ghazi

these are the basic facts..I must say cnn's reporti g has been ver objective but the BBC and the uk media are being their pro India selves..luckily there is a vote on Thursday and as usual people will forget after 2moro..

Garuda please stop talking out of your behind and stop playing the nice Indian routine here!!
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If this makes you happy or feel good. That is fine. The bottom line is that OBL is gone and I am glad that world will feel little better now.
 
Garuda said:
It seems they are going to release the pics and videos sometime. So that should suffice.

Getting DNA matching evidence by journalists is not a big deal. But can you understand the DNA matching report and agree that its genuine? Cuz you can still doubt.
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Let's see what they release.

DNA was supposedly taken from OBL's sister who luckily(for US) died in Boston. What was she doing in Boston? Also worked for the CIA previously so I assume they would have his DNA and not need to take it from a family member.

Even if they did have the actual body it doesn't prove when he was killed.
 
Waq said:
Can you all take the time out to consider a few points below involving Osama Bin Laden:

- OBL is apparently the spiritual head of Al Qaeda and has in the past been caught on video spouting his hate for USA and celebrating 9/11.

- In recent years there has been a few audio releases but no video messages by OBL.

- Is there any logical reason why OBL has been unable to release video messages to thr world? Surely as the head of Al Qaeda he wants to give messages to the world and surely this is possible in a house in Abbottabad? Ordinary Camcorders do not have GPS facilities so he would not have been tracked.

- Is there any other logical reason why OBL in recent years has not produced video messages? It is unlikely to be scared of USA especially if he did order 9/11.

- Has he ever CLEARLY admitted 9/11 or just mentioned it or celebrated the atrocity?

- OBL apparently had very bad kidneys / regular dialisys, which needs medical care and equipment.

- Why dump the body in the sea? The official line is so he is not worshipped but was the same done in the past i.e. Saddam Hussein? Have other terrorists been given water burials too?

If you consider the points above than hopefully you some of you will see all the latest media frenzy in a different perspective. I honestly believe that OBL is dead. There is little doubt there for me, but I believe he died long before the USA 'warriors' turned up in Abbottabad because if he was alive than he would have continued to release video messages from a mansion. No reason not to do so.

I cannot comment on whether OBL deserved to die because as far as I am aware, he has never admitted to 9/11. If yes he did, than good riddance but I want a bit more proof as there are many unanswered questions.

Afghanistan pre 9/11 was run by the taleban who were hard on their countryman but let the world get on with their business. This country has been destroyed and bombed to death as they are hosts to OBL. Can the Western forces now leave as getting OBL was their sole reason for war.
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Well said. This apparent demise of OBL is far less consequential than most would like to think
 
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As I mentioned in the other thread the CIA verifying the DNA isn't conclusive enough for me.

They've been verifying these bogus Audio Tapes for years.
 
LowkeyP said:
The whole world has other motivations. We both know where all the talk from across the border is coming from.

The whole world didn't fight 3 wars with us either. The talk isn't at issue, its the intentions and the happiness some of your brothers are showing in their posts. Its sickening to think they'd be pleased with military actions against Pakistan.
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What can you do about that? There were a lot of ppl dancing in Washington.

When 9/11 happened, a lot of ppl in palestine were dancing.

If the same thing had happened in India, a lot of Pakistanis would have been dancing.

It will happen. Why are you trying to find fault at them than finding the real issue??
 
This is what Omar...Osamas son said...

In feb 2010.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...ath-unleash-violent-enemies/story?id=13509779

ABC News' Lara Setrakian interviewed Osama bin Laden's son Omar bin Laden in early 2010 to discuss his book "Growing Up Bin Laden." Below are his thoughts on his father's life, what it was like to grow up the son of world's most wanted man, and a dire warning to the world about what might happen in the event that his father was killed:

Osama bin Laden's son had a chilling warning for those who were hunting his father with drones, secret agents and missile strikes.

From Omar bin Laden's up-close look at the next generation of mujahideen and al Qaeda training camps he says the worst may lie ahead, that if his father is killed America may face a broader and more violent enemy, with nothing to keep them in check.

"From what I knew of my father and the people around him I believe he is the most kind among them, because some are much, much worse," Omar bin Laden, who was raised in the midst of his father's fighters, told ABC News in an exclusive interview in February 2010. "Their mentality wants to make more violence, to create more problems."

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Omar bin Laden, the fourth son of Osama bin laden, during a dinner at his horse ranch, at the foot of Abu Sir pyramids on the outskirts of Cairo in this Sept. 11, 2008 file photo. Osama Bin Laden Killed Near Islamabad Watch Video
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Omar bin Laden turned his back on his father's philosophy, a remarkable step for a man in an Arab culture where it is a sin to disobey his father and taboo to openly criticize him. It was doubly significant for Omar bin Laden because his father had picked him to succeed him as the leader of jihad.

Omar bin Laden spoke out shortly after hearing his father in an audio tape praise the attempt by the so-called "underwear bomber" to blow up a jetliner over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009:

"Attacking peaceful people is not being fair, it is unacceptable. If you have a problem with armies or governments you should fight those people. This is what I find unacceptable in my father's way," Omar told ABC News.

"My father should find some letter to send to all of these people, at least to tell them they shouldn't attack the civilians," he said.

When asked whether there is anything his father likes about the United States, Omar says "their weapons," and nothing else.

The son of Osama, however, had praise for the U.S. saying, "They don't care what is your race, what is your skin, where you come from, this is very good."

Despite the $25 million bounty on his father's head and the ever-searching drones, Omar was confident that his father would not be caught and that no Afghan would turn him in:

"It's been 30 years now since he started fighting there. Who could catch him? No one.... This is the country that whoever gets in is stuck, be it the armies or the mujahideen," he said.

Omar told ABC News that as of February 2010, even he did not know where his father was.
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Either way am glad this matter has been put to rest officially. We are all Muslims and are representatives of Allah not sheep of Bin Laden and co.

OBL was not a symbol for muslims in any good way. Our role models lie somewhere else.

As a Pakistani one such role model should be Iqbal - a true visionary who changed the thought of main stream Islam truthfully.

Let's be careful whom we follow and reject any kind of extremist ideas because Islam is not extremist and QUran is a proof of that.

We need fundamentalism in Faith not in waging Jihad, Jihad starts with oneself in terms of defeating evil in our own hearts and when individual of a nation are close to perfect they become a nation of good muslims.

Oh Iqbal wish you were alive today and could guide the misguided masses of today but we must also do our part.

Love love love - the lesson of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was that he was probably the most loving man to have ever lived and yet at the same time when required was the greatest leader and general.

What does al Qaeda know about how to spread Islam? Nothing.

We have nothing to do with Al Qaeda, Taliban and fanatic idiots and its time we totally cut our sympathy with them once and for all.
 
Garuda said:
What can you do about that? There were a lot of ppl dancing in Washington.

When 9/11 happened, a lot of ppl in palestine were dancing.

If the same thing had happened in India, a lot of Pakistanis would have been dancing.

It will happen. Why are you trying to find fault at them than finding the real issue??
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That was a fake video. They were celebrating something else. It was an Israeli stunt for their own benefit. Netanyahu has said 911 was a good thing for Israel you can see why.
 
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