Osama Bin Laden is DEAD

[PB]

LOL @ Fox news right now..
Don't know who the guy is
but hes like.."America were better then this..when 9/11 happend people were jumping up and down and passing around candy..America all we do is smoke cigars and jump in lakes? America we are better then this..and says LETS CELEBRATE WITH COOKIES AND A MARCHING BAND.." ) then he said I will not apologize for that....)

 

[ahsan88]

So the ISI is lying then or is it Osama's 12 year old daugther.

 

[saqlain]

Killing of OBL is a symbolic victory against the Global War On Terrorism. I hope this would force the other bad guys to realize that their days are numbered where ever they are. I am sure an operation of this scale is not possible without the help of the Pakistani authorities. They must have chipped in and assisted the US forces in getting this guy. Pakistan has give a lot of sacrifices in the past 10 years.

The killing of OBL inside Pakistan does raise few questions about the Pakistan's intelligence apparatus. It would be very difficult for outsiders to beleive that someone like OBL living less than a mile or so from the Pakistan's military academy and the no one new about this.

 

[PB]

Its right now on Glenn Beck )

 

[Garuda]

That was a fake video. They were celebrating something else. It was an Israeli stunt for their own benefit. Netanyahu has said 911 was a good thing for Israel you can see why.

Not going to investigate if that was real or fake.

Point is some people will comment, some will finger point, some will criticize. You can't ask everyone to stop it. Can you?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

LOL @ Fox news right now..

Faux news? Shame on you for tuning in!

 

[saqlain]

I do not understand why some of the posters here are targeting Indians as it is because of them all of this happened??? Everyone in the world is happy including millions of people in Pakistan. OBL is not a friend of anyone, especially those who want to live in peace and harmony.

 

[1137moiz]

Killing of OBL is a symbolic victory against the Global War On Terrorism. I hope this would force the other bad guys to realize that their days are numbered where ever they are. I am sure an operation of this scale is not possible without the help of the Pakistani authorities. They must have chipped in and assisted the US forces in getting this guy. Pakistan has give a lot of sacrifices in the past 10 years.

The killing of OBL inside Pakistan does raise few questions about the Pakistan's intelligence apparatus. It would be very difficult for outsiders to beleive that someone like OBL living less than a mile or so from the Pakistan's military academy and the no one new about this.

Do you actually believe all that bull?

OBL's death is completely inconsequential except for a few morons to feel good about themselves. And closet BJPers like yourself to jump on the "trash Pakistan's military/intelligence" bandwagon

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not going to investigate if that was real or fake.

Point is some people will comment, some will finger point, some will criticize. You can't ask everyone to stop it. Can you?

Sure but pathetic to use this to make excuses for isolation/invasion/occupation/attack of Pakistan. I've read the thoughts of most Indians on other forums who feel this is good chance to degrade Pakistan in any which way possible. It's just wet dreams from them.

 

[ahsan88]

How can someone still deny it when the ISI found osama's 12 year old daughter hiding in the house?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Do you actually believe all that bull?

OBL's death is completely inconsequential except for a few morons to feel good about themselves. And closet BJPers like yourself to jump on the "trash Pakistan's military/intelligence" bandwagon

OBL's death has only made matters worse.

Pakistan are just an excuse for the Americans, the real targets are Islamic Bombs, Iran, and Islam.

 

[Garuda]

Sure but pathetic to use this to make excuses for isolation/invasion/occupation/attack of Pakistan. I've read the thoughts of most Indians on other forums who feel this is good chance to degrade Pakistan in any which way possible. It's just wet dreams from them.

On this forum except one post where someone mentioned if India can do it, for dawood (but again said its a dream) no one else have posted such thing.

So no need to react that way. Just be calm.

 

[saqlain]

Do you actually believe all that bull?

OBL's death is completely inconsequential except for a few morons to feel good about themselves. And closet BJPers like yourself to jump on the "trash Pakistan's military/intelligence" bandwagon

Well you are entilted to your opinion and I respect that. The real question about Pakistan's military and intelligence is not a "trash" as it is being asked in the main media as well. How come Pakistani forces were not the one doing the operation??? Why American troops were coming from Afghanistan and why not called the Pakistani SSG's??? I think there is something there which Pakistani miltiary is not either aware of or not being part of this.

 

[saqlain]

OBL's death has only made matters worse.

Pakistan are just an excuse for the Americans, the real targets are Islamic Bombs, Iran, and Islam.

Ofcourse Pakistan's nuclear bombs are a concern for the West. The country where terrorists are roaming everywhere it can be a concern. I am sure Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is safe and secured but there is a possiblity. Look at Japan's nuclear issue, they had everything to safeguard and still things went wrong.

US is not against Islam this is something that its in your head. Please dont say such things here or else where because it is not true.

 

[anand99]

Do you actually believe all that bull?

OBL's death is completely inconsequential except for a few morons to feel good about themselves. And closet BJPers like yourself to jump on the "trash Pakistan's military/intelligence" bandwagon

You are so obviously wrong, I am surprised you didn't realize that as you were typing it. A few morons? The entire country is feeling this is the first real victory in the War on Terror and the US has exacted revenge. For many families that were affected by 9/11, this in a way has brought closure. Those people are not morons.

 

[saqlain]

You are so obviously wrong, I am surprised you didn't realize that as you were typing it. A few morons? The entire country is feeling this is the first real victory in the War on Terror and the US has exacted revenge. For many families that were affected by 9/11, this in a way has brought closure. Those people are not morons.

What you are saying it applies to people who think first and then type

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are so obviously wrong, I am surprised you didn't realize that as you were typing it. A few morons? The entire country is feeling this is the first real victory in the War on Terror and the US has exacted revenge. For many families that were affected by 9/11, this in a way has brought closure. Those people are not morons.

Yes they are if they believe OBL was behind 911. Huge morons imo. There are family members of those killed on 911 who don't believe OBL was the force behind 911.

 

[GOAT]

You are so obviously wrong, I am surprised you didn't realize that as you were typing it. A few morons? The entire country is feeling this is the first real victory in the War on Terror and the US has exacted revenge. For many families that were affected by 9/11, this in a way has brought closure. Those people are not morons.

A few things the people of America have done in the recent and not so recent past:

- Elected George W. Bush. Twice
- Slavery.
- Birthists
- The Tea Party
- Sarah Palin
- Evangelists
- Opposed universal healthcare

The American people are, indeed, morons. This death might help them feel better about the fact they've wasted trillions of dollars and 5000-6000 soldiers but the realty is, nothing changes. Do you honestly believe Osama was involved in day to day operations?

Al Qaeda isn't even the biggest threat by the US's own admission, terrorists in Somalia, Yemen, and the Taliban have been a much larger thorn in their side. Osama's death, if anything, may just strengthen their resolve.

You mad OBL's death is meaningless in the larger context?

 

[GOAT]

US is not against Islam this is something that its in your head. Please dont say such things here or else where because it is not true.

You guys remember that article about the US government having keyboard warriors going around the internet?

lawl.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Ofcourse Pakistan's nuclear bombs are a concern for the West. The country where terrorists are roaming everywhere it can be a concern. I am sure Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is safe and secured but there is a possiblity. Look at Japan's nuclear issue, they had everything to safeguard and still things went wrong.

No one is safe from natural disasters, that's what happened in Japan. And terrrorists roaming in Pakistan? You cannot just steal a nuke; a nuke isn;t a carton of milk.

US is not against Islam this is something that its in your head. Please dont say such things here or else where because it is not true.

Nonsense. First of all, this is about black gold - oil, secondly, this entire fiasco is orchestrated by Israel; they see an Islamic bomb as a threat and this is a fact you cannot escape nor deny.

However, if there is any nation that despises USA more than Iran et al, then its Russia and China - you can bet both your kidneys they've already sold a few nukes to Iran, you know why? The most effective war is a war by proxy.

 

[1137moiz]

Sickening and worthy of condemnation though 9/11 was, America's government has since responded to it in as downright moronic, destructive and uncontrolled a way as is humanly possible. 200 years from now when people are studying history they'll look at the American response to 9/11 as a classic example of what NOT to do in fighting extremism and terrorism

 

[saqlain]

No one is safe from natural disasters, that's what happened in Japan. And terrrorists roaming in Pakistan? You cannot just steal a nuke; a nuke isn;t a carton of milk.



Nonsense. First of all, this is about black gold - oil, secondly, this entire fiasco is orchestrated by Israel; they see an Islamic bomb as a threat and this is a fact you cannot escape nor deny.

However, if there is any nation that despises USA more than Iran et al, then its Russia and China - you can bet both your kidneys they've already sold a few nukes to Iran, you know why? The most effective war is a war by proxy.

How much oil is in Afghanistan??? How much US has made by buying or selling the oil from Iraq? Last time I check the oil prices are still over $110. Do some research before you post all of this.

 

[saqlain]

Sickening and worthy of condemnation though 9/11 was, America's government has since responded to it in as downright moronic, destructive and uncontrolled a way as is humanly possible. 200 years from now when people are studying history they'll look at the American response to 9/11 as a classic example of what NOT to do in fighting extremism and terrorism

Would you like to share with the rest of us what kind of response would have been taken????

 

[saqlain]

You guys remember that article about the US government having keyboard warriors going around the internet?

lawl.

Never heard of that. And your point is....????

 

[Garuda]

Sickening and worthy of condemnation though 9/11 was, America's government has since responded to it in as downright moronic, destructive and uncontrolled a way as is humanly possible. 200 years from now when people are studying history they'll look at the American response to 9/11 as a classic example of what NOT to do in fighting extremism and terrorism

Thats true. Even if OBL was behind 9/11, the way US went about hunting him by bombing Af was idiotic.

They should have used more intelligence and surgically than blanket bombing and envading other countries.

 

[anand99]

A few things the people of America have done in the recent and not so recent past:

- Elected George W. Bush. Twice
- Slavery.
- Birthists
- The Tea Party
- Sarah Palin
- Evangelists
- Opposed universal healthcare

The American people are, indeed, morons. This death might help them feel better about the fact they've wasted trillions of dollars and 5000-6000 soldiers but the realty is, nothing changes. Do you honestly believe Osama was involved in day to day operations?

Al Qaeda isn't even the biggest threat by the US's own admission, terrorists in Somalia, Yemen, and the Taliban have been a much larger thorn in their side. Osama's death, if anything, may just strengthen their resolve.

You mad OBL's death is meaningless in the larger context?

I am still waiting for you unsubstantiated claims about me making hate mongering posts. I noticed you ran away and never responded to my posts. Before you spew off more first back up your posts with evidence.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

How much oil is in Afghanistan??? How much US has made by buying or selling the oil from Iraq? Last time I check the oil prices are still over $110. Do some research before you post all of this.

How convenient of you to ignore the rest of my post. Oil is the spOIL of war sunshine!

Take your rose tinted glasses off and look at a world map. It's an ambush on a massive scale. Guess which nation is the target?

PS: As for USA profiting from Iraqi oil, did you not hear of the contracts that were dished out to AMERICAN companies in Iraq? Also look up the PEtro-Dollar while you are it to give you some idea of how USA profits from Oil in that region. I forgot, Saudi's do not bank the cash for the Oil they sell to USA, the money sits in the Federal Reserve - penny dropped yet?

 

[saqlain]

Thats true. Even if OBL was behind 9/11, the way US went about hunting him by bombing Af was idiotic.

They should have used more intelligence and surgically than blanket bombing and envading other countries.

In the hindsight it seems that things could have been different. But you have to understand from the point when the 9-11 took place. It was a right decision to go in Afghanistan and get rid of all these guys who were present there. I think Iraq was certainly a distraction in this war but going to Afghanistan was the right decision.

 

[1137moiz]

Thats true. Even if OBL was behind 9/11, the way US went about hunting him by bombing Af was idiotic.

They should have used more intelligence and surgically than blanket bombing and envading other countries.

Exactly. It was such an obviously failure-bound tactic...killing OBL, yes, but at the cost of countless innocent lives as well as the risk of creating more radical OBLs.

Whether or not you believe OBL was behind 9/11, it was an astonishingly thickheaded way to go about "exterminating terrorism"

 

[anand99]

Exactly. It was such an obviously failure-bound tactic...killing OBL, yes, but at the cost of countless innocent lives as well as the risk of creating more radical OBLs.

Whether or not you believe OBL was behind 9/11, it was an astonishingly thickheaded way to go about "exterminating terrorism"

None of this takes away from the fact that OBL being killed is a victory in the War on Terror and a sense of closure for the 9/11 victims families. It also doesn't make them a "few morons".

 

[1137moiz]

"Few morons" refers to the imbeciles in charge of military and political institutions who decided that the war on terror could plausibly be turned into an excuse to wage an extra war or two, reams of uneducated propaganda and lining their pockets at the expense of everybody else...not the families of the victims

 

[saqlain]

How convenient of you to ignore the rest of my post. Oil is the spOIL of war sunshine!

Take your rose tinted glasses off and look at a world map. It's an ambush on a massive scale. Guess which nation is the target?

I dont think Israel is too concerned about the Pakistani bomb at this time. They are more concerned about Iran. Saudi Arabia has enough firepower and missile to destroy them but Israel know that Saudis are not going to do such a thing. You are only assuming that only a nuclear bomb can create or wreck devastation. I think there are plenty of other types of warfares which can destroy a huge area or land.

US is concerned about Pakistan's nuclear assets falling in the hands of someone outside the military. They only want to make sure that it is safe and well protected. Just look what is happening in pakistan, I am sure you know what the law and order situation is there, which is extremely very unfortunate. There is a valid concern amongst the western nation about the security of Pakistan's nuclear assets.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Thats true. Even if OBL was behind 9/11, the way US went about hunting him by bombing Af was idiotic.

They should have used more intelligence and surgically than blanket bombing and envading other countries.

America trained OBL for heavens sake!

 

[anand99]

"Few morons" refers to the imbeciles in charge of military and political institutions who decided that the war on terror could plausibly be turned into an excuse to wage an extra war or two, reams of uneducated propaganda and lining their pockets at the expense of everybody else...not the families of the victims

That is not how you worded your statement. See below.

OBL's death is completely inconsequential except for a few morons to feel good about themselves

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Saudi Arabia has enough firepower and missile to destroy them but Israel know that Saudis are not going to do such a thing.

Give me a break please! Saudi army is practically a US army, I do not see the US attacking Isreal that's for sure.

You are only assuming that only a nuclear bomb can create or wreck devastation. I think there are plenty of other types of warfares which can destroy a huge area or land.

Really? Then why are Isreal bricking it? I am not the only one who thinks a nuke can create devestation - till this day Japan is suffering after it was nuked in 1945.

Though I would say, the weapon of mass destruction today is CURRENCY. It is the worst kind, it destroys lives, society, nations BUT keeps buildings intact.

US is concerned about Pakistan's nuclear assets falling in the hands of someone outside the military. They only want to make sure that it is safe and well protected. Just look what is happening in pakistan, I am sure you know what the law and order situation is there, which is extremely very unfortunate. There is a valid concern amongst the western nation about the security of Pakistan's nuclear assets.

The US are concerned when a fly lands on one of their warships, they are the most paranoid nation in the world.

All this talk of safety and protection of nuclear assets is in your head; there is a far more sinister motive.

 

[Saad Hasan]

I dont think Israel is too concerned about the Pakistani bomb at this time. They are more concerned about Iran. Saudi Arabia has enough firepower and missile to destroy them but Israel know that Saudis are not going to do such a thing. You are only assuming that only a nuclear bomb can create or wreck devastation. I think there are plenty of other types of warfares which can destroy a huge area or land.

US is concerned about Pakistan's nuclear assets falling in the hands of someone outside the military. They only want to make sure that it is safe and well protected. Just look what is happening in pakistan, I am sure you know what the law and order situation is there, which is extremely very unfortunate. There is a valid concern amongst the western nation about the security of Pakistan's nuclear assets.

BS...you really don't know what you are talking about...when it comes to Israel and it's percieved security, it's far more brutal, beligerant and paranoid then Hitler...

Right after the 2003 iraq invasion...former Iraqi scientists, academics and professors, some of whom had worked for Iraqi nuclear program when it was active prior to first iraq war in '91, had wanted to defect to US...guess what Israel thought otherwise, and through mossad with support of CIA went on a killing spree...killing over 400 such individuals...this forced the remaining individuals to defect to Iran...

So, to think Israel doesn't care much about Pakistan's nuclear program and arsenal is a very dangerous canard that no patriotic or sensible Pakistani can imagine...unless of course you are a paid centcom keyboard warrior or just a lame indian...

 

[Gotham Cronie]

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[Fawad]

^^^ LOL at these fat yanks.

 

[1137moiz]

That is not how you worded your statement. See below.

I don't see the conflict between the two statements? In fact I specifically wrote "few" pertaining to the few government official morons in the USA who will use this to justify their killing spree

 

[Garuda]

In the hindsight it seems that things could have been different. But you have to understand from the point when the 9-11 took place. It was a right decision to go in Afghanistan and get rid of all these guys who were present there. I think Iraq was certainly a distraction in this war but going to Afghanistan was the right decision.

It was but I felt they should have used intelligence more effectively. The blanket bombing just produced more rebels for US.

 

[Garuda]

America trained OBL for heavens sake!

So ?

ISI was also a partner in it. Why are Pakistani's crying when they are doing suicide bombing in Pakistan?

If they trained them doesn't give OBL the right to kill 3000 civilians.

 

[anand99]

This is from the live blog on CNN

President Obama and his top intelligence and military officials were able to monitor in a "real-time basis" the progress of the operation on Osama bin Laden's compound, the president's top counterterrorism adviser said.

"It was probably one of the most anxiety filled periods of time I think in the lives of the people who were assembled here yesterday. The minutes passed like days and the president was very concerned about the security of our personnel," John Brennan said. "That is what was on his mind throughout and we wanted to make sure that we would get through this and accomplish the mission. But it was clearly very tense. A lot of people holding their breath."

Brennan said "there was a tremendous sigh of relief" when they believed bin Laden was in fact at the compound.

President Barack Obama's top counterterrorism adviser said Monday that it was "inconceivable" that Osama bin Laden did not have some kind of support system in Pakistan that allowed him to live in hiding there.

John Brennan, the president's assistant on homeland security and counterterrorism, refused to speculate on what kind of support bin Laden might have received, or whether the Pakistani government or official Pakistani institutions had any role.

 

[Fireworks11]

It is being reported that Osama's wife was used as a 'shield' to block the attackers before being killed.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Sure but pathetic to use this to make excuses for isolation/invasion/occupation/attack of Pakistan. I've read the thoughts of most Indians on other forums who feel this is good chance to degrade Pakistan in any which way possible. It's just wet dreams from them.

India will always hate Pakistan thus Muslims.

Number of reasons I suspect. First being the Independence of Pakistan, before India. Secondly, Muslims Sacrifice and indulge in what Hindu's find sacred - the cow! This is why there'll never be peace between Muslims and Hindis in India, hence between Pak and India, EVER.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India will always hate Pakistan thus Muslims.

Number of reasons I suspect. First being the Independence of Pakistan, before India. Secondly, Muslims Sacrifice and indulge in what Hindu's find sacred - the cow! This is why there'll never be peace between Muslims and Hindis in India, hence between Pak and India, EVER.

Agree. Also there are many groups in India who want independence like Pakistan and I'm sure they will get it one day. India could possibly end up smaller than Pakistan in the future. They really hate Pakistani's are not ruled by Hindu's and managed to get away.

 

[Garuda]

India will always hate Pakistan thus Muslims.

Number of reasons I suspect. First being the Independence of Pakistan, before India. Secondly, Muslims Sacrifice and indulge in what Hindu's find sacred - the cow! This is why there'll never be peace between Muslims and Hindis in India, hence between Pak and India, EVER.

You should do a research on how many cows get slaghtered everyday in India and how many hindus also eat beef. (forget about huge muslim and chiristian population)

 

[Namak_Halaal]

So ?

So? It means they trained him on how to think!

If they trained them doesn't give OBL the right to kill 3000 civilians.

That wasn't the point, but yeah, no one has the right to kill, I mean just take a look at the number of massacres carried out in India in the last 50 years on the back of Religious and Political motives alone, makes the figure of 3000 look like a love story.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

You should do a research on how many cows get slaghtered everyday in India and how many hindus also eat beef. (forget about huge muslim and chiristian population)

Try selling that line to Shiv Sena.

You cannot deny the basis of Pak/Ind independence was on the back of religion. I think it's you who needs to do the research.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Agree. Also there are many groups in India who want independence like Pakistan and I'm sure they will get it one day. India could possibly end up smaller than Pakistan in the future. They really hate Pakistani's are not ruled by Hindu's and managed to get away.

Before that, India's economy is going to collapse in royal style, and pretty soon, India cannot sustain current level of growth backed by credit. Most of the money in India is invested by the West and China, these nations will pull the plug at will. This is how they control India by the crown jewels and India doesn't even realise it.

It will enrage society and then yes, India will implode and smaller independent regions with their own respective currencies will surface.

 

[Garuda]

So? It means they trained him on how to think!




That wasn't the point, but yeah, no one has the right to kill, I mean just take a look at the number of massacres carried out in India in the last 50 years on the back of Religious and Political motives alone, makes the figure of 3000 look like a love story.

No it doesn't.

Think of this way. Pakistan and India had their share of religeous violence and lost lives.

If India or Pakistan had power like USA and were attacked by the terrorists where we lost 3000 at one place, won't we have reacted that way ?

We haven't done much cuz we can't. 3000 ppl getting killed inside one building doesn't look or sound like a love story man.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

No it doesn't.

Think of this way. Pakistan and India had their share of religeous violence and lost lives.

If India or Pakistan had power like USA and were attacked by the terrorists where we lost 3000 at one place, won't we have reacted that way ?

We haven't done much cuz we can't. 3000 ppl getting killed inside one building doesn't look or sound like a love story man.

The only way Pak and India can act like USA is through unity - never gonna happen.

BTW, the point of 3000 and love story, it wasn't a justification, I was merely trying to explain that there have been far more killings in India in the name of Religion and Politics. None of it is acceptable, but before you pass judgement on Pakistan, have a look in your own back garden.

 

[Garuda]

Try selling that line to Shiv Sena.

You cannot deny the basis of Pak/Ind independence was on the back of religion. I think it's you who needs to do the research.

The partition might have been done due to religion but still there are same number of muslims living in India as Pakistan.

anyway, my point was about killing cows. You need to find out that Killing cows is not a big deal in India as you think it is.

 

[Garuda]

The only way Pak and India can act like USA is through unity - never gonna happen.

BTW, the point of 3000 and love story, it wasn't a justification, I was merely trying to explain that there have been far more killings in India in the name of Religion and Politics. None of it is acceptable, but before you pass judgement on Pakistan, have a look in your own back garden.

I am not passing any judgement my friend. Can you tell me any post of mine which is fabricated from my mind.

I am discussing or sharing the same thing that the whole world is discussing.

 

[anand99]

Why are we discussing India Pak relations in this thread? Please take your discussion elsewhere.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

from http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-media-pakistan-killed-bin-laden-2011-5#ixzz1LEo0vvmb

CHINESE NEWS AGENCY: Pakistan Killed Osama, The US Just Swooped In At The End

The Chinese official news agency Xinhua is reporting that Osama Bin Laden was killed by Pakistani forces, and U.S. forces merely swooped in the pick up the body (via @crampell).

The report also claims that the helicopter that was shot down was Pakistani, not American.

This contradicts U.S. reports that U.S. special forces entered the compound and killed Bin Laden.

From Xinhua:

At about 1:20 a.m. local time a Pakistani helicopter was shot down by unknown people in the Sikandarabad area of Abbotabad. The Pakistani forces launched a search operation in the nearby area and encountered with a group of unknown armed people. A fire exchange followed between the two sides.

When the fire exchange ended, the Pakistani forces arrested some Arab women and kids as well some other armed people who later confessed to the Pakistani forces they were with Osama Bin laden when the fire was exchanged and Bin Laden was killed in the firing.

Local media reported that after the dead body of Bin Laden was recovered, two U.S. helicopter flew to the site and carried away the dead body of Bin Laden.

The report also suggests that Bin Laden may have been killed in the air crash, rather than in a fire fight.

China has a growing relationship with the Pakistani government, and is also expanding its influence into Afghanistan.

 

[spiron]

No wonder they are ALL WEATHER ally
Ridiculous.

ISI do make RAW look like incompetent, dumb fools.

In case of double dealing and extorting money with/from countries .. Yes.

if any stupid Indian RAW agents actually attempted this and succeeded (lol, not gonna happen), there would be immediate war.

So by your own sentiments, you should be relieved that whatever the developments in India were after the numerous attacks, the Parliament and Mumbai esp.. there wasnt any retaliatory (read military acts) carried out from the Indian side ?




At the end of the day, a common man is not gaining anything with all these acts. Quality of life as was meant to be preserved and enjoyed comes a cropper.

 

[Garuda]

from http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-media-pakistan-killed-bin-laden-2011-5#ixzz1LEo0vvmb

China is not a friend of Pakistan

Pakistan Govt was fearing backslash and china is exposing them.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

from http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-media-pakistan-killed-bin-laden-2011-5#ixzz1LEo0vvmb

Typical Obama Bin Laden - all about boosting his poll numbers.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

China is not a friend of Pakistan

Pakistan Govt was fearing backslash and china is exposing them.

You what?

China isn't a friend of India.

What's up? Cannot stomach the possibility that Pakistan ISI located & killed Osama and let USA take credit for it? And here I was thinking you were not passing judgement in this thread.

 

[Garuda]

You what?

China isn't a friend of India.

What's up? Cannot stomach the possibility that Pakistan ISI located & killed Osama and let USA take credit for it? And here I was thinking you were not passing judgement in this thread.

that was a tongue in cheek comment.

See the development since morning. A lot of people thinking Pakistan may have been involved but not want to disclose it because they are fearing that terrorists may target Pakistan.

Now china is saying to the world that Pakistan actually did everything.


Aren't they exposing something which Pakistan is trying to hide?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

that was a tongue in cheek comment.

See the development since morning. A lot of people thinking Pakistan may have been involved but not want to disclose it because they are fearing that terrorists may target Pakistan.

Now china is saying to the world that Pakistan actually did everything.


Aren't they exposing something which Pakistan is trying to hide?

OK, fair point, but what do you think? You think Pakistan killed OBL?

 

[spiron]

Pakistan might have killed OBL but thing still remains is.. that there doesnt seems to be a strong reason for it.
The Pak govt cud have still milked the US and asked for tons in Aid.

The backlash regarding the trip to Af to convey the idea of leaving US group to align with China .. dont think that is too serious a damage to be going to this extent.

 

[Garuda]

OK, fair point, but what do you think? You think Pakistan killed OBL?

sounds far from true.

Reason, if they really found him and killed him before US knew anything

1. Why would they let the world know that he was staying there so close to capital near Army area ?

2. If OBL was living there then its very unlikely that no one was knowing this. So why were they providing him safety if they had to kill him.

So in both scenarios it doesn't look any benefit to Pakistan. Why would they do something which would bring bad name to them from all over the world?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

sounds far from true.

So in both scenarios it doesn't look any benefit to Pakistan. Why would they do something which would bring bad name to them from all over the world?

Pakistan are already in bad light regardless of OBL-gate! Sounds reasonable and plausible to allow USA to take credit, to avoid terrorist backlash on Pakistan - the lesser of two evils.

Just take a look at the muppets parading the streets for their dead hero! Sums it all up.

 

[Garuda]

Pakistan are already in bad light regardless of OBL-gate! Sounds reasonable and plausible to allow USA to take credit, to avoid terrorist backlash on Pakistan - the lesser of two evils.

Just take a look at the muppets parading the streets for their dead hero! Sums it all up.

okay if that is the case like chinese report says "US force were informed by Pak army and just came to pick the body"

Why would you handover the body near army area to be questioned by whole world ?

Won't you try to make a better story about his hiding place?

 

[shaykh1985]

Pakistan might have killed OBL but thing still remains is.. that there doesnt seems to be a strong reason for it.
The Pak govt cud have still milked the US and asked for tons in Aid.

The backlash regarding the trip to Af to convey the idea of leaving US group to align with China .. dont think that is too serious a damage to be going to this extent.

Your stance is somewhat bizarre...it is inconceivable that Pakistan were unaware of what was going on...the whole issue is one of presentation...it is more advantageous for the USA to claim credit than it is for Pakistan...

If Pakistan led the operation this leads to further anger by the militants who essentially have not been fooled...

Osama was a symbolic figure who wasn't even involved in terrorism since he has been on the run...Al Qaeda isnt even centralised...militant organisations all operate by themselves and do not take orders from Al Qaeda...

All this has done is enflamed the situation in Pakistan and elsewhere...they have made a martyr of Osama and have now provided a symbolic motivation to militant groups who will now avenge his death...your being ignorant if you think his death will scare these militants...Osama's death will only make them more aggressive and motivated...

The world is a much more dangerous place with the events of yesterday...and in particular Pakistan...

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Why would you handover the body near army area to be questioned by whole world ?

Won't you try to make a better story about his hiding place?

Easier to locate OBL in a mansion that it is in mountains and caves (precisly where USA were searching for all these years and failed - allegedly)

 

[duostyle]

I just have one issue.

Sure, Osama is dead, everyone is celebrating and whatnot.

Personally, I don't see a reason to celebrate a death but good riddance as he wasn't doing any good being alive anyhow.

Now, my question is, was it worth it?
Does his death justify everything the US has done since 9/11? All the countries invaded and ruined, the thousands of deaths of innocent people in the process, etc. Was all this worth the revenge for those 3k lives lost on 9/11?

Because when I take a step back and look at the bigger picture, I see that the world has lost a lot more lives just to avenge the death of those on 9/11... It was a sad day but look at the mess they've made since then and how much they've ruined. Can anyone justify that the lives of those Americans were worth more than the ones in Afghanistan/Iraq or Pakistan?

Just to clarify, I don't support extremists/terrorists or Osama.

 

[spiron]

@shaykh1985

I dont for even a second believe that Osama killed is going to put to rest the militancy.
Its a far bigger problem and even if it could, i dont think US will let this thing die.
they need it to assert themselves just like the issue of WMD in Iraq.. and even the weapon manufacturing companies in US need this war to rage on to keep themselves in business.
Today its Osama, tomorrow it might be Somalia.

Pakistan wouldnt have led the operation to kill Osama because the excuse of ISI having 'some' elements is a total farce. ISI is a well oiled unit which has never seen any chinks nor any aberration.. they are fully involved in double dealing and no such unit will want to let go of the biggest asset. They bloody would be aware that showing an operation in a place which is heart to a military academy and retired army personnels and even so much deep in Pakistan will only be akin to shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

I just have one issue.

Sure, Osama is dead, everyone is celebrating and whatnot.

Personally, I don't see a reason to celebrate a death but good riddance as he wasn't doing any good being alive anyhow.

Now, my question is, was it worth it?
Does his death justify everything the US has done since 9/11? All the countries invaded and ruined, the thousands of deaths of innocent people in the process, etc. Was all this worth the revenge for those 3k lives lost on 9/11?

Because when I take a step back and look at the bigger picture, I see that the world has lost a lot more lives just to avenge the death of those on 9/11... It was a sad day but look at the mess they've made since then and how much they've ruined. Can anyone justify that the lives of those Americans were worth more than the ones in Afghanistan/Iraq or Pakistan?

Just to clarify, I don't support extremists/terrorists or Osama.

Well I guess they would point at no major terror attacks in the US and a bunch of attacks that were stopped before they were able to be implemented.

 

[1137moiz]

I just have one issue.

Sure, Osama is dead, everyone is celebrating and whatnot.

Personally, I don't see a reason to celebrate a death but good riddance as he wasn't doing any good being alive anyhow.

Now, my question is, was it worth it?
Does his death justify everything the US has done since 9/11? All the countries invaded and ruined, the thousands of deaths of innocent people in the process, etc. Was all this worth the revenge for those 3k lives lost on 9/11?

Because when I take a step back and look at the bigger picture, I see that the world has lost a lot more lives just to avenge the death of those on 9/11... It was a sad day but look at the mess they've made since then and how much they've ruined. Can anyone justify that the lives of those Americans were worth more than the ones in Afghanistan/Iraq or Pakistan?

Just to clarify, I don't support extremists/terrorists or Osama.

Exactly. There is no way history or for that matter anybody with a sense of perspective can justify the senselessness that has raged for the past decade and made a mockery of those 3000 lives lost that day.

 

[Garuda]

Easier to locate OBL in a mansion that it is in mountains and caves (precisly where USA were searching for all these years and failed - allegedly)

That story is not going to help Pakistan. They could have made a cover story and could have picked another house far from army areas.

Now, the reaction towards Pakistan is full of doubt.

 

[PB]

I can't wait to read more of the conspiracy stuff...Always fun to read.

 

[saqlain]

Give me a break please! Saudi army is practically a US army, I do not see the US attacking Isreal that's for sure.

Really? Then why are Isreal bricking it? I am not the only one who thinks a nuke can create devestation - till this day Japan is suffering after it was nuked in 1945.

Though I would say, the weapon of mass destruction today is CURRENCY. It is the worst kind, it destroys lives, society, nations BUT keeps buildings intact.

The US are concerned when a fly lands on one of their warships, they are the most paranoid nation in the world.

All this talk of safety and protection of nuclear assets is in your head; there is a far more sinister motive.

On the same note Israel never made any statements of destroying Pakistan either. Is it fair to assume that Pakistan is also, practically, a US military's garrison? Since Israel is not making any direct statements against Pakistan?? I think this is exactly what you are saying.

I think you seem more paranoid here than the US. They have calmly did the job and left the scene.

 

[Garuda]

I just have one issue.

Sure, Osama is dead, everyone is celebrating and whatnot.

Personally, I don't see a reason to celebrate a death but good riddance as he wasn't doing any good being alive anyhow.

Now, my question is, was it worth it?
Does his death justify everything the US has done since 9/11? All the countries invaded and ruined, the thousands of deaths of innocent people in the process, etc. Was all this worth the revenge for those 3k lives lost on 9/11?

Because when I take a step back and look at the bigger picture, I see that the world has lost a lot more lives just to avenge the death of those on 9/11... It was a sad day but look at the mess they've made since then and how much they've ruined. Can anyone justify that the lives of those Americans were worth more than the ones in Afghanistan/Iraq or Pakistan?

Just to clarify, I don't support extremists/terrorists or Osama.

This is why some one was against violence and tried to fight using non-violence.

Revenge is a two sideded sword.

Now you are asking this question and some years ago few americans were asking was Osama right by taking revenge on civilians for US govt's action ?

Revenge doesn't stop at one step.

 

[PB]

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[saqlain]

BS...you really don't know what you are talking about...when it comes to Israel and it's percieved security, it's far more brutal, beligerant and paranoid then Hitler...

Right after the 2003 iraq invasion...former Iraqi scientists, academics and professors, some of whom had worked for Iraqi nuclear program when it was active prior to first iraq war in '91, had wanted to defect to US...guess what Israel thought otherwise, and through mossad with support of CIA went on a killing spree...killing over 400 such individuals...this forced the remaining individuals to defect to Iran...

So, to think Israel doesn't care much about Pakistan's nuclear program and arsenal is a very dangerous canard that no patriotic or sensible Pakistani can imagine...unless of course you are a paid centcom keyboard warrior or just a lame indian...

I am seriously wondering now where you guys have been in the last decade or so. By reading your post, you seem very qualified and educated folks. But the ideas that you are purporting are simply rubbish, to say the least.

Every country in this world wants to assure that its security is not compromised and take measure to assert that. Whether it is Israel, Pakistan, Iran or India, every single one of them are trying to secure itself from any obvious or hidden enemies. I never said that Israel and Pakistan are buddies but Israel, at least to this date, has not made any statements against Pakistan or made any threatening remarks like attacking the nuclear installations.

As far as your statements about Iraq’s scientists, I have no information and neither have done any research on that matter. Seems like you know more about that subject and you have presented your case.

 

[Cracket]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/dianne-feinstein-bin-laden-pakistan-six-years_n_856670.html


The World is waiting to see how Pakistan/ISI explains this now. Good luck!

 

[duostyle]

This is why some one was against violence and tried to fight using non-violence.

Revenge is a two sideded sword.

Now you are asking this question and some years ago few americans were asking was Osama right by taking revenge on civilians for US govt's action ?

Revenge doesn't stop at one step.

Alright. But Osama was a terrorist. What else did they expect from him? His way was wrong. But does the US doing the exact same thing make it right? Doesn't that make the US Govt as much of a terrorist organization as Al-Qaeda?

I saw an American woman on TV say she was glad that they finally 'killed the monster' and I thought to myself, does she know at what cost? Who is the bigger 'monster' here?

Ps. It's getting quite late here, I'll come back to any reply to this tomorrow.

 

[saqlain]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/dianne-feinstein-bin-laden-pakistan-six-years_n_856670.html


The World is waiting to see how Pakistan/ISI explains this now. Good luck!

I think that is one area where Pakistan will have difficult time.