Osama Bin Laden is DEAD

[spiron]

Wow.. gloating about 'achievements' of Mumbai attack.. Stupendous.

 

[Shayan]

Wow.. gloating about 'achievements' of Mumbai attack.. Stupendous.

Agreed, highly pathetic and frankly embarrassing that a fellow Pakistani would say such things.

 

[jashan83]

any hardcore proof or just bull@#@$ like most of u indian trolls come to PP for

..1. show proof of alqaidas links with ISI

2. how exectly was osama a golden goose for ISI when alqaida affieleated tarek e taliban is killing more pakistanis then nato soldiers ?

3. proof of US jamming pakistani Radars ? (this is not india where terriorists from pakistan fooled drunk indian army and 25 radars

4.and lastly ...plz come and get ur villans from pakistan if u have guts ...dont try to compair urself with US ...ur villan search team will be killed after a few mins of entering pakistan unlike mumbai attacks ....

First of all kindly learn English. I am not an Indian. My native country or adopted country have got no villian of theirs in Pakistan. How a golden goose. USA has given more than 10 B $ to Pak to support its anti terrorist campaign. It is well known that when before 9/11 Pakistan was in deep debt and they were in a position to default IMF. Flood gates of money came in after 9/11 and Bin Laden hunt.

Finally this is not what I get from hearing to Indian media (I got no access) but rather what most media is saying. If you know english switch to channel known ass BBC or CNN or Fox and you will see what I spoke. Surely there is loads of doubts. I have read and posted, it is rather you who are trolling who took an non Indian as Indian perhaps due to loads of Jealousy amongst you guys (Ind-Pak)

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

My dad says he has a gut instinct that India may have joined USA in shooting OBL. Don't be surprised if that comes out.

If it does, Pakistan should bow its head down in shame! Overthrow the leaders

No offense, but that is the one of the funniest things I've heard regarding this incident.

My advice is to start using your own judgement and analyzing the facts as they stand. Your dad is way out there.

 

[bala977]

What does your father base this hunch on?

I mean the Indian government does not even have the balls to execute convicted terrorists (Afzal Guru) so I doubt they could even think of being part of an attack like this across the border. They just don't have the guts.

This is a big joke. I firmly believe that our armed forces are capable of such an operation.

But I don't believe our political leaders are mature enough to hold a secret - had India been involved, right now, every Tom, Dick, Harry, Mary, Jill and Jane of Indian politics will be claiming credit for it. And every reporter will be giving "exclusives" from these politicians and passing off hypothesis' as facts. So thank god it didn't happen!

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

My dad has an extremely good and well-rounded knowledge of politics throughout UK and Pakistan and world affairs and is 60 years old.

LOL.

So beause he's 60 combined with those other dubious credentials, you believe him?

Look, we all look up to our parents for raising us, but this is just....I don't know what to say..

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Sorry but the more I thnk about Wasim_Waqar's post, the funnier it is!

The fact that it makes no sense is just the beginning...highly enjoyable though. Please ask your dad for more theories and post them on here...

 

[Shayan]

First of all kindly learn English. I am not an Indian. My native country or adopted country have got no villian of theirs in Pakistan. How a golden goose. USA has given more than 10 B $ to Pak to support its anti terrorist campaign. It is well known that when before 9/11 Pakistan was in deep debt and they were in a position to default IMF. Flood gates of money came in after 9/11 and Bin Laden hunt.

Finally this is not what I get from hearing to Indian media (I got no access) but rather what most media is saying. If you know english switch to channel known ass BBC or CNN or Fox and you will see what I spoke. Surely there is loads of doubts. I have read and posted, it is rather you who are trolling who took an non Indian as Indian perhaps due to loads of Jealousy amongst you guys (Ind-Pak)

Although I'm more on your side in this particular argument, I don't think you should be commenting on another poster's English.

 

[ace4rmspace]

Although I'm more on your side in this particular argument, I don't think you should be commenting on another poster's English.

Harsh!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Iraq is not a demolished state, it will become quite prosperous in time.

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Apart from the deaths of millions and destruction of a nation, babies are being born deformed because of the chemical weapons used, not sure if they will ever see prosperity.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

First of all kindly learn English. I am not an Indian. My native country or adopted country have got no villian of theirs in Pakistan. How a golden goose. USA has given more than 10 B $ to Pak to support its anti terrorist campaign. It is well known that when before 9/11 Pakistan was in deep debt and they were in a position to default IMF. Flood gates of money came in after 9/11 and Bin Laden hunt.

Finally this is not what I get from hearing to Indian media (I got no access) but rather what most media is saying. If you know english switch to channel known ass BBC or CNN or Fox and you will see what I spoke. Surely there is loads of doubts. I have read and posted, it is rather you who are trolling who took an non Indian as Indian perhaps due to loads of Jealousy amongst you guys (Ind-Pak)

10 billion is peanuts.

Just ask Obama. He gave hundreds of billions to bail out banks and the auto industry and brokerages, so that numerous CEOs could get their multi-million dollar pay checks.

You know also, I assume, what the Afghan war costs? If I'm not mistaken it dwarves the aid to Pak by about 10 to 1 annually.

 

[Cracket]

Keep dreaming. Whenever you ever cross our border, it will be dealt with full force and your planes will be shot down. Try it.

Nah its cool, I think we might be able to convince america to do that for us they have no probs going in and out like pak was their own territory. You can keep all your guns pointed east lmao

 

[Yossarian]

Dollar seems to be doing well against the UK £ since OBL's death.

It has gone from 1.675 to 1.648 (£ to $) in the last 24 hours.

Somebody's making a heck of a lot of money !!!!

 

[Cracket]

LOL this is under the assumption (false) that Pakistan did not know about the USA sending three helicopters into their territories (lol). Mission would have been impossible without Pakistan co-operation ... the President himself stated this but still people continue to spew this line of thinking

Every news source here is claiming Pak were not told. But its understandable since all army is posted eastwards might be hard to detect intrusions from West

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

Nah its cool, I think we might be able to convince america to do that for us they have no probs going in and out like pak was their own territory. You can keep all your guns pointed east lmao

and we dont even need US to enter indian soil ) ...we just need to get a fishing boat full of commandos and no indians will be able to stop us bcs indians radars dont work and indian soldiers are always drunk ...by the time we finish the mission it will be too late ... )

 

[Cracket]

and we dont even need US to enter indian soil ) ...we just need to get a fishing boat full of commandos and no indians will be able to stop us bcs indians radars dont work and indian soldiers are always drunk ...by the time we finish the mission it will be too late ... )

Lol true but at least stop your bankrupt board from begging india for cirkit matches and ipl's after you do things like that. Also keep taking pride in your terrorists, the worlds watching you now.



http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mission-osama-executed-by-operation-geronimo/785137/

Don't be fooled by indian link, sources are named. US blocked radars and conducted their business without any intrusions while keeping this a totalsecret from Pak authorities.

 

[Poison]

Every news source here is claiming Pak were not told. But its understandable since all army is posted eastwards might be hard to detect intrusions from West

I dunno man, given that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES acknowledged Pakistani help in the capture of Bean Ladoo I think the discussion should be ended.

 

[Poison]

Although I'm more on your side in this particular argument, I don't think you should be commenting on another poster's English.

Shayan bro I like you but Quite a large fail with incorrect apostrophisation (yes I made that word up)

 

[GOAT]

I dunno man, given that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES acknowledged Pakistani help in the capture of Bean Ladoo I think the discussion should be ended.

You're an idiot bro. Indians, who have absolutely nothing to do with any of this, have more knowledge than you. Their sources are better than anything else out there.

The advancement of their analogical reasoning is far higher then you or I may comprehend. Concede defeat bro, these guys with their inside the scoop CIA details and fabricated... I mean, legitimate sources have gotten the better of you.

 

[PB]

Lol true but at least stop your bankrupt board from begging india for cirkit matches and ipl's after you do things like that. Also keep taking pride in your terrorists, the worlds watching you now.



http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mission-osama-executed-by-operation-geronimo/785137/

Don't be fooled by indian link, sources are named. US blocked radars and conducted their business without any intrusions while keeping this a totalsecret from Pak authorities.

How the hell is this relevant to his post and this thread. Stop whining about cricket..

 

[Poison]

You're an idiot bro. Indians, who have absolutely nothing to do with any of this, have more knowledge than you. Their sources are better than anything else out there.

The advancement of their analogical reasoning is far higher then you or I may comprehend. Concede defeat bro, these guys with their inside the scoop CIA details and fabricated... I mean, legitimate sources have gotten the better of you.

For a sec there I nearly welled up in tears Lowkey

 

[Shayan]

Shayan bro I like you but Quite a large fail with incorrect apostrophisation (yes I made that word up)

Yeah, you're right lol. Huge fail. Still got the point across though

 

[PB]

For a sec there I nearly welled up in tears Lowkey

Lmao...

 

[GOAT]

For a sec there I nearly welled up in tears Lowkey

I'm so sorry man, but it had to be done .

Sarcasm is the way forward in this illogical world of ours, but I promise not to call you names even in jest man

 

[1137moiz]

I'm so sorry man, but it had to be done .

Sarcasm is the way forward in this illogical world of ours, but I promise not to call you names even in jest man

Ah it does my crusty old heart good to see you two make up.

 

[Markhor]

Pakistan admits Bin Laden intelligence failure

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13268517

Pakistan's main intelligence agency, the ISI, has said it is embarrassed by its failures on al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.

An ISI official told the BBC the compound in Abbottabad where Bin Laden was killed by US forces on Sunday had been raided in 2003.

But the compound "was not on our radar" since then, the official said.

The government of Pakistan has categorically denied any knowledge of the raid before it took place.

No base within Pakistan was used by US forces, the ministry of foreign affairs said in a statement.

It went on: "US helicopters entered Pakistani airspace making use of blind spots in the radar coverage due to hilly terrain."

However, the ministry defended the ISI, saying: "As far as the target compound is concerned, ISI had been sharing information with CIA and other friendly intelligence agencies since 2009."

'Caught by surprise'
Bin Laden, 54, was the founder and leader of al-Qaeda. He is believed to have ordered the attacks on New York and Washington on 11 September 2001, as well as a number of other deadly bombings.

The ISI official gave new details of the raid, saying Bin Laden's young daughter had said she saw her father shot.

He told the BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones in Islamabad that the compound in Abbottabad, just 100km (62 miles) from the capital, was raided when under construction in 2003.

It was believed an al-Qaeda operative, Abu Faraj al-Libi, was there.

But since then, "the compound was not on our radar, it is an embarrassment for the ISI", the official said. "We're good, but we're not God."

He added: "This one failure should not make us look totally incompetent. Look at our track record. For the last 10 years, we have captured Taliban and al-Qaeda in their hundreds - more than any other countries put together."

The compound is just a few hundred metres from the Pakistan Military Academy - the country's equivalent of West Point or Sandhurst.

The ISI official also gave new or differing accounts of some of the events of Sunday's raid. They included:

There were 17-18 people in the compound at the time of the attack

The Americans took away one person still alive, possibly a Bin Laden son

Those who survived the attack included a wife, a daughter and eight to nine other children, not apparently Bin Laden's; all had their hands tied by the Americans

The surviving Yemeni wife said they had moved to the compound a few months ago
Bin Laden's daughter, aged 12 or 13, saw her father shot

The official said it was thought the Americans wanted to take away the surviving women and children but had to abandon the plan when one of the helicopters malfunctioned.

The helicopter was destroyed by the special forces unit.

The US has not commented on anyone it captured or had planned to capture, other than saying it had taken Bin Laden's body.

The ISI official said the organisation had recovered some documents from the compound.

The CIA is already said to be going through a large number of hard drives and storage devices seized in the raid.

The White House has not disclosed whether anyone has claimed the $25m (£15m) reward for leading the US to Bin Laden.

White House counter-terrorism adviser John Brennan said there had been concern Pakistani forces would deploy to counter the US Navy Seal team conducting the raid but it had avoided any confrontation.

The ISI official said: "We were totally caught by surprise. They were in and out before we could react."

Our correspondent says residents near the compound in Abbottabad reported that Pakistani soldiers had asked them to switch off their lights an hour before the attack, but the ISI official said this was not true and that it had no advance knowledge of the raid.

Earlier, in an opinion piece in the Washington Post, President Asif Ali Zardari admitted Bin Laden "was not anywhere we had anticipated he would be".

But he denied the killing suggested Pakistan was failing in its efforts to tackle terrorism.

Mr Zardari said Pakistan had "never been and never will be the hotbed of fanaticism that is often described by the media".

"Such baseless speculation may make exciting cable news, but it doesn't reflect fact," he said.

"Pakistan had as much reason to despise al-Qaeda as any nation. The war on terrorism is as much Pakistan's war as it is America's."

Mr Brennan had said it was "inconceivable that Bin Laden did not have a support system" in Pakistan. He estimated Bin Laden had been living in the compound in Abbottabad for five or six years.

Pakistani Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir tried to draw a line under the matter, saying: "Who did what is beside the point... This issue of Osama Bin Laden is history."

Bin Laden was America's most wanted man but had eluded capture for more than a decade.

US officials say that after DNA tests they are "99.9%" sure that the man they shot and killed and later buried at sea was Bin Laden.

US President Barack Obama watched the entire operation in real time in the White House with his national security team.

Mr Brennan said: "The minutes passed like days."

CIA director Leon Panetta narrated via a video screen from a separate Washington office, with Bin Laden given the code name Geronimo.

Mr Panetta's narration lasted several minutes. "They've reached the target... We have a visual on Geronimo... Geronimo EKIA (enemy killed in action)."

Mr Obama said: "We got him."

Bin Laden, his son Khalid, trusted personal courier Sheikh Abu Ahmed and the courier's brother were all killed, along with an unidentified woman.

Bin Laden was shot above his left eye, blowing away a section of his skull, and was also shot in the chest.

The BBC's Andrew North in Washington says the White House is still discussing whether to release a video that was made of Bin Laden's burial from an aircraft carrier in the Arabian Sea, which some Islamic scholars have said did not conform with tradition.

Our correspondent says many people will want proof that Bin Laden is dead but the White House will be concerned about the reaction if the video, and still photographs of the body, are released.

 

[anand99]

I dunno man, given that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES acknowledged Pakistani help in the capture of Bean Ladoo I think the discussion should be ended.

I suppose when it is convenient for you, it is easier to believe in the President of the USA. I assume you also believe him in his story about predator drones and not causing harm to pakistani civilians. Every major news outlet in the US is now questioning the role of Pakistan. I am sure you have access to all the news channels.

 

[GOAT]

Weren't these the same media institutions that questioned Obama's nationality and his religion not too long ago?

 

[Yossarian]

If anybody thinks that the whole truth has come out, or will ever be coming out, is fooling themselves.

Whether that be to do with ISI knowing/not-knowing that OBL was hiding in that house

or

Whether or not Pakistan 'facilitated' the raid.
4 helicopters flying that far into Pakistani territory not being seen on radar ? ( must be at least 150 miles or more from the Afghan border), and in case they were not spotted coming in, how about being stopped from flying 150+ miles back into Afghanistan ? Especially after the attention created due to the fighting and explosions on the ground.
Pakistani fighter jets could easily have intercepted helicopters, if the 'copters had to fly that far out of Pakistani territory.

or

Thus far, no proof given to the public or independent observers, whether that be video footage from the head-cams of the Navy Seals, or photographs of the body or .....

Too many questions, not enough answers......

 

[anand99]

Weren't these the same media institutions that questioned Obama's nationality and his religion not too long ago?

I am still waiting for your response on your claims that I made hate mongering posts. Please find and post them. Till then you are just a tool who spouts off without any evidence. You lack any credibility. Everytime I ask you to go find such posts by me and post them you dissapear.

 

[Markhor]

A middle school teacher vowed not to shave his beard until Bin Laden was killed or caught.

When a middle school teacher vowed not to shave until Osama Bin Laden was caught following the terror attacks, he thought it would only be a matter of months.

So when Gary Weddle, 50, found out the Al Qaeda leader was dead last night, he was probably more happy than most.

In almost ten years the science teacher from Ephrata, Washington, had managed to grow a grizzled beard that reached his chest.


Short back and sides: Teacher Gary Weddle reaches for the razor to shave off ten years of beard, left, and right, looking ten years younger after the big trim

He certainly could have joined band ZZ Top and ironically bore a resemblance to Bin Laden himself.

'I spent my first five minutes crying and then I couldn't get it off fast enough,' Mr Weddle told the Capital Press.

Unsurprisingly Mr Weddle's wife Donita was also rather relieved to be able to see a bit more of her husband's face.

Looks familiar: Mr Weddle certainly could have joined band ZZ Top, left, and ironically bore a resemblance to Bin Laden himself in the end, right

'He looks 10 years younger,' she said. 'It's a very happy moment for us. It's a very happy moment for the whole nation.'

Mr Weddle had been working in his garden on Sunday evening when a colleague called to tell
him the news.

Sceptical at first Mr Weddle turned on the news and then when it had sunk in rushed to the bathroom to hack away at the itchy creation.

Friends and neighbours even headed over to his house to watch the symbolic moment.

And today Mr Weddle's school principal Jill Palmquist honoured him, telling students they should admire the teacher for sticking to his vow not to shave for 3,454 days.

Ms Palmquist said Mr Weddle had endured ridicule, jokes and people telling him it was a lost cause.

But he had made vow and was going to stick to it even if special forces had never captured the terrorist.

In 2003 Mr Weddle had said: 'If they want to shave it off my body in the coffin, they can, but I'm going to hang onto it...I'm not going to forget and I'm not going to let anyone forget.'
An elite crew of American forces killed Bin Laden during a daring raid on Monday, capping the world's most intense manhunt. He was the mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

 

[1137moiz]

^I bet Customs and Homeland Security gave him a lot of trouble

 

[GOAT]

Let's just say I can't reply nicely and calmly to your posts and it would be better for my longevity if I were to respond only in this manner .

But short and sweet - you'll find it's only one nationality in here that is trying to make Pakistan look like buffoons and idiots of the highest calibre. Constant posts that, at the time, were contradicting other reports from the same and other highly regarded sources only show your own agenda.

We aren't stupid here - people see the motivations behind your posts and occasionally, someone like Cracket slips up and just puts their true feelings out there. Thats basically all I can say before I deluge into something less than polite. I hope that clears it up.

Anyways, I think your country has a growing rift between the rich and the poor and I heard something about farmers killing themselves and a Maoist rebellion - better get on that, cheers.

 

[Markhor]

This idiot was allowed to teach children ? Stupid attention-seeking stunt.Only in America.

 

[Poison]

Seriously beard guy ... what the hell was going on with that? And how does that make news?

 

[Poison]

Go check out Chad Ochocinco's facebook page and read his status ... seriously is proof of the pure straight number of downright retarded folk in the USA. If you look closely you might even see me calling them a variety of expletives

 

[GOAT]

I know you want me to add you on facebook Poison but this is just... a needle in a haystack.

edit: nvm, found you.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001648664105

 

[anand99]

Let's just say I can't reply nicely and calmly to your posts and it would be better for my longevity if I were to respond only in this manner .

But short and sweet - you'll find it's only one nationality in here that is trying to make Pakistan look like buffoons and idiots of the highest calibre. Constant posts that, at the time, were contradicting other reports from the same and other highly regarded sources only show your own agenda.

We aren't stupid here - people see the motivations behind your posts and occasionally, someone like Cracket slips up and just puts their true feelings out there. Thats basically all I can say before I deluge into something less than polite. I hope that clears it up.

Anyways, I think your country has a growing rift between the rich and the poor and I heard something about farmers killing themselves and a Maoist rebellion - better get on that, cheers.

Again you are creating strawman arguments to get around your initial post. You accused me of posting hate mongering posts. Either you can retract that statement or continue to spew more nonsense that makes you look like a fool.

Regarding your "new" accusations above, how do you know what my country is? I am a US citizen and my allegience is with the US. On the other hand, you seem to be sitting in Canada and bad mouthing most of the western nations. Maybe you are the one who is confused. I hope you do support the canadian troops that are fighting a war in Afghanistan.

 

[Poison]

LOL what a baw$$

 

[GOAT]

lol why do I have to support my troops if they're fighting an unjust war? Wouldn't it be a greater service if I brought them home from a war that no one in Canada wanted in the first place?

But yes, Anand I'm sure you feel no significant feelings to your homeland.

Who's bad mouthing Western nations? I visit the States all the time. I know it's hard for you Yanks to understand, but in Canada we're allowed to have debates without being accused of being undemocratic or being viewed as less patriotic to our adopted countries.

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

Lol true but at least stop your bankrupt board from begging india for cirkit matches and ipl's after you do things like that. Also keep taking pride in your terrorists, the worlds watching you now.



http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mission-osama-executed-by-operation-geronimo/785137/

Don't be fooled by indian link, sources are named. US blocked radars and conducted their business without any intrusions while keeping this a totalsecret from Pak authorities.

indians at there best ..when nothing works bring in the IPL

 

[anand99]

lol why do I have to support my troops if they're fighting an unjust war? Wouldn't it be a greater service if I brought them home from a war that no one in Canada wanted in the first place?

But yes, Anand I'm sure you feel no significant feelings to your homeland.

Who's bad mouthing Western nations? I visit the States all the time. I know it's hard for you Yanks to understand, but in Canada we're allowed to have debates without being accused of being undemocratic or being viewed as less patriotic to our adopted countries.

What you are demonstrating is allegience to Pakistan, not to Canada. Sorry to bust your bubble. Your posts show outright hate to western countries particularly the US and borders on very disturbing. To be honest, I am surprised that such posts are even condoned on this forum.

You need to tone down the hatred in your posts.

I do care about my homeland and I do support many things about them, but I am not a radicalist like you are but then turn around and accuse others of being without any substantial evidence to back it up.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Go check out Chad Ochocinco's facebook page and read his status ... seriously is proof of the pure straight number of downright retarded folk in the USA. If you look closely you might even see me calling them a variety of expletives

Shelia Showtime Smith -No, not worth we still have the same problem. Going to have more problem because the pakastian will retaliate.... even though their the reason the war is going on it will only get worst from here on out ... beside I need to see some proof that Osama is dead don't just tell me he was shoot in the head and buried out to sea and not show any edvidence... Proof was shown of Sadam death

 

[GOAT]

How have I put priority over Canada anywhere? As far as I'm aware, we have never been victims of terrorism at home. Your preconceived notions that I can only support one or the other again show your own biases, not mine. Look at the words you're using, 'radicalist'? In what way am I a "radicalist"? You make it sound as though I've backed OBL or something, I'm merely pointing out the many inconsistencies and irregularities the American people are too stupid to care about.

What hatred? My last few posts have been quite pleasant.

For a guy who has a strong allegiance to Pakistan only, it's a wonder how I've been discussing the Canadian elections the most out of all other Canadian PP'ers on this forum. Weird, I must still think I'm in Pakistan.

 

[GOAT]

Anyways, I'm done responding to you. You have your own preconceived notions about who I am and what I believe in without knowing a damn thing about me. Enjoy the euphoria while it lasts. Bye.

 

[Prince_Pathan]

im purely here to say...why does the bearded man make the news? so irrelevent


so i could grow ear hair and not shave it...and pray to god america get out of afghanistan

would i appear on the news? would i probably get some sort of ear infection?


is this trolling?

 

[1137moiz]

What you are demonstrating is allegience to Pakistan, not to Canada. Sorry to bust your bubble. Your posts show outright hate to western countries particularly the US and borders on very disturbing. To be honest, I am surprised that such posts are even condoned on this forum.

You need to tone down the hatred in your posts.

I do care about my homeland and I do support many things about them, but I am not a radicalist like you are but then turn around and accuse others of being without any substantial evidence to back it up.

What a moronic post. So having any difference of opinion with your head of state is a matter of "radicalization" and "treason".

Seriously mate, if your post were the case then half the US would be radical traitors for not agreeing with the President about healthcare, taxation, foreign policy, etc. Apparently pointing out facts changes your allegiance and fills you with hate.

For the nth time...nobody on this forum is sympathizing with Osama Bin Laden. But it is a cold, hard fact that killing him involved far more damage and death to innocent lives than was necessary.

 

[Prince_Pathan]

What you are demonstrating is allegience to Pakistan, not to Canada. Sorry to bust your bubble. Your posts show outright hate to western countries particularly the US and borders on very disturbing. To be honest, I am surprised that such posts are even condoned on this forum.

You need to tone down the hatred in your posts.

I do care about my homeland and I do support many things about them, but I am not a radicalist like you are but then turn around and accuse others of being without any substantial evidence to back it up.

so anybody that stands up to imperialism and has a say about it is a radicalist?!

he has every right to show more allegience for pak if he chooses...pak blood runs thick through his veins

leave goat bhai sab alones!

 

[anand99]

How have I put priority over Canada anywhere? As far as I'm aware, we have never been victims of terrorism at home. Your preconceived notions that I can only support one or the other again show your own biases, not mine. Look at the words you're using, 'radicalist'? In what way am I a "radicalist"? You make it sound as though I've backed OBL or something, I'm merely pointing out the many inconsistencies and irregularities the American people are too stupid to care about.

What hatred? My last few posts have been quite pleasant.

For a guy who has a strong allegiance to Pakistan only, it's a wonder how I've been discussing the Canadian elections the most out of all other Canadian PP'ers on this forum. Weird, I must still think I'm in Pakistan.

Weren't you the one condoning that Pakistan should remain under military rule while you enjoy the benefits of living in a democratic society? You seem to express radical and violent thoughts in your posts for someone who is cherishing and enjoying life in a free society.

 

[anand99]

so anybody that stands up to imperialism and has a say about it is a radicalist?!

he has every right to show more allegience for pak if he chooses...pak blood runs thick through his veins

leave goat bhai sab alones!

Then he shouldn't be living in Canada.

 

[Namak_Halaal]

This thread ranks in my top PP threads of all time.

 

[1137moiz]

Then he shouldn't be living in Canada.

Why do you assume that allegiance to Pakistan is somehow incompatible with allegiance to Canada?

 

[ahsan88]

His family members have been recovered by the ISI from the house. Should put to rest all conspiracy theories whether, he was killed or not.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/03/was-osama-killed-by-us-troops-or-his-own-guard.html

PESHAWAR: Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was killed along with his son and three bodyguards in a helicopter assault on a mansion in the northern city of Abbottabad late Sunday night to bring to an end the biggest-ever manhunt by the United States.

Reports suggest that Bin Laden was shot dead with a single bullet to his head when he resisted capture, but an official indicated that the 54-year-old mastermind of the biggest and most devastating attack on US soil might have been killed by one of his own guards in line with his will to avert his capture.

“From the scene of the gunbattle it doesn’t look like he could have been killed at point blank range from such a close angle, while offering resistance,” said an official, who visited the scene of the night assault soon after the departure of the US assault team from the sprawling compound in Thanda Choa, now called Bilal Town, at stone’s throw from Pakistan Military Academy, Kakul.

Details are sketchy about the circumstances leading to the raid on the living quarters inside the large compound surrounded by unusually high walls and fences, but background discussions with government and security officials do help in reconstructing the high drama that culminated in the death of America’s most wanted man.

These officials tell Dawn that helicopters were hovering over the area at around half past midnight and it took the US assault team of 25 Navy SEALs and CIA hitmen about 40 minutes to “clear the area” and take away the body of the man they had been hunting for nearly a decade.

One of the two helicopters involved in the assault went down during action and one official who visited the scene said there was no evidence to suggest that it might have been hit by a rocket or shot from the ground.

“There was no evidence of the helicopter having been shot down,” the official said. “From the wreckage it appears to be more a case of a crash,” he said.

But he said the one loud explosion heard during the gunbattle might have been caused by the departing assault team which bombed the chopper into pieces after retrieving their men and completing their mission.

The body of one of Bin Laden’s guards, whom the official described as either an Afghan or a tribesman, was lying in the compound.

Bodies of Bin Laden’s two other guards were found in the living quarters, the official said. Interestingly, the US assault team took away Bin Laden’s body, leaving behind a number of women and children.

Officials said that one of those killed was Osama’s son.

This has shattered the long-held belief and myth that the Al Qaeda leader was surrounded by a group of heavily-armed diehard fighters.

Bin Laden’s two wives, both in their early 50s and one of them of Yemeni origin, were among those left behind, the official said. A third woman, who was wounded in the late-night attack, was taken to a military hospital.

The official said that a total of nine children were also seized from the compound. They are said to be boys and girls aged between 2 and 12 years.

Among the children, the official said, one was Bin Laden’s 11-year-old daughter. The women and children are now in the custody of Pakistan’s security agencies and a senior security official said that those rounded up would be subjected to interrogation to reach to the bottom of the whole story.

“We would want to know the whole story. How and when did the entire band come to this part of the region? Where was Bin Laden all these years? And was he actually there when the assault took place?” the official said. “There are a whole set of questions which need to be answered,” he said.

“One of the women who spoke a smattering of English said they had moved to the compound a few months ago,” the official said. “But we would want to know how did they come to this place,” he said.

The compound known as Waziristan Haveli among the locals, said a local resident, was owned by a transporter from Waziristan.

“The Waziristanis were good people. They used to socialise with the local community, attend their weddings and funerals,” the resident said. “But nobody had a clue to the presence of Osama and his family there,” Jehanzeb Jadoon said.

But even by the local standards, Jadoon said, the forewalls were 15 to 20 feet high with barbed wire. “This was unusual for a place like Abbottabad,” the official concurred.

But a security official said that the Waziristani transporters’ connection could give them clues as to how the Bin Ladens managed to travel all the way to this place. Security agencies have now launched search for the Waziristani owner of the sprawling compound, adjacent to an agricultural land that provides the shortest route to the nearby military academy.

The mansion was built some five years ago, Jadoon said and the official acknowledged that it might have been built close to a high security zone to protect it from the prying eyes of foreign intelligence operatives and electronic surveillance and predator drones.

This would make sense, an analyst said. “Osama was known to suffer from kidney ailment and was always in need of dialysis,” the analyst said. “But that he would live a quiet family life with his wives and children, away from the rugged hot-zones of the tribal regions, in a picturesque and scenic place like Abbottabad was beyond anybody’s imaginations.”

 

[anand99]

What a moronic post. So having any difference of opinion with your head of state is a matter of "radicalization" and "treason".

Seriously mate, if your post were the case then half the US would be radical traitors for not agreeing with the President about healthcare, taxation, foreign policy, etc. Apparently pointing out facts changes your allegiance and fills you with hate.

For the nth time...nobody on this forum is sympathizing with Osama Bin Laden. But it is a cold, hard fact that killing him involved far more damage and death to innocent lives than was necessary.

Based on some of the posts here I am not so sure. Maybe some of you need to tone down your rhetoric cuz you sure don't sound convincing.

 

[1137moiz]

Based on some of the posts here I am not so sure. Maybe some of you need to tone down your rhetoric cuz you sure don't sound convincing.

) I dare you to find a single post here expressing the slightest sympathy for Osama Bin Laden. There isn't a single one. If there were, one of the moderators would have either edited or removed it.

Again, you seem to be viewing the world through black and white prisms. It is a solid fact that the capture of OBL involved far more death, destruction and conquest than was necessary. Years from now when this is being studied in textbooks, that will be a cold hard fact that will be written down.

Even a sensible American would admit as much. That does not in any way equate to sympathy for OBL

 

[anand99]

) I dare you to find a single post here expressing the slightest sympathy for Osama Bin Laden. There isn't a single one. If there were, one of the moderators would have either edited or removed it.

Again, you seem to be viewing the world through black and white prisms. It is a solid fact that the capture of OBL involved far more death, destruction and conquest than was necessary. Even a sensible American would admit as much. That does not in any way equate to sympathy for OBL

Weren't you the one who said Osama bin Laden's death only matters to a few morons?

 

[1137moiz]

Weren't you the one who said Osama bin Laden's death only matters to a few morons?

And it does. I hate OBL and imho he brought a lot of trouble round the world. But again, it's a fact that this has absolutely zilch effect on Al-Qaeda's operations. If anything those radicals will start assuming he's a "martyr" and resume their raids even more.

Again, a completely neutral history or political science professor could tell you as much. In no way does this at all translate to the slightest sympathy with OBL.

I find it amusing and a little sad that your mind cannot seem to realize that just because OBL was a bad man, doesn't make the wholescale destruction leading up to his death any less than it should rationally have been.

 

[anand99]

Why do you assume that allegiance to Pakistan is somehow incompatible with allegiance to Canada?

Your statement was

he has every right to show more allegience for pak if he chooses...pak blood runs thick through his veins

How can you forget so quickly what you typed? If he is a canadian citizen he certainly owes allegience to Canada first. Does he hold dual citizenship with Pakistan? Where is his residence? Does he hold a canadian passport?

 

[1137moiz]

Your statement was



How can you forget so quickly what you typed? If he is a canadian citizen he certainly owes allegience to Canada first. Does he hold dual citizenship with Pakistan? Where is his residence? Does he hold a canadian passport?

That was Prince Pathan's statement, not mine.

 

[1137moiz]

so anybody that stands up to imperialism and has a say about it is a radicalist?!

he has every right to show more allegience for pak if he chooses...pak blood runs thick through his veins

leave goat bhai sab alones!

Here Anand99, quoted specifically for you.

 

[GOAT]

Last post to aanand:

I made it abundantly clear that Pakistan is not yet ready for a democracy until we have viable options to choose from. As of now we have corrupt leaders and institutions, leaders who have done more harm in the recent past then the army. Democracy is not something that you can push upon a people, the right to vote is something you earn. Only then can one truly understand it's significance and be in a position to make judgements. In Pakistani society, I feel that the years of damage done to our education system as well as the rest of the country, have put us into a position where the freedom to vote is being abused heavily.

Whats the point of having the right to vote if your vote doesn't even count? It's well and nice to have your principles but if it results in such distinguished leaders as Benazir, Nawaz, and Zardari, has it really benefited the people? Now, the irony is that much of the damage done to our society has indeed come from the army itself. Does this change the reality? Not really, in my opinion.

Even if we have a man such as Imran Khan as our PM he will need absolute power over all of our institutions to bring about real and lasting change. It takes years to develop your institutions to act and think like independent body parts, who all have the same goal in sight. Any leader needs 100% backing and authority.

Where have I been violent? Have I asked for the deaths of anyone anywhere? Your putting words into my mouth because you have your own made up idea of who I am and what I stand for. Fact is, you made up your mind once you saw two things about me: I'm a Pakistani and I disagree vehemently with you. Because I don't do things your way I'm obviously a backwards, Muslim extremist. A very far off notion from reality.

I live in Canada - I love it here and I identify myself as a Pakistani - Canadian. Why? Because I was born in Pakistan. Of course I have the benefit and betterment of Pakistan in my mind and my heart, just because I've moved away doesn't mean that I'm less of a Pakistani. I have my ideas and thoughts about what will make Pakistan a better place - am I to stay mum simply because I live in Canada?

Furthermore, since I live in Canada I can express my views about what so ever I wish. I don't know where I've been radical for you to suggest I'm an extremist of any sort, but if opposing the Afghanistan war makes me one, then so be it. I understand that Canada had no choice to go there, I'm not mad about it. But why should 150 of my countrymen die for America's war? I can and will continue to keep this view until our soldiers are brought home and the tax payer doesn't have to see cuts at home to fund this silly war.

Again, point out where I've been violent or have asked for anyone to be harmed in any fashion. I haven't. You've made up a lot of what you think I am, now sit down, shut up, log off and get of the computer if all you're going to do is pretend to know who I am and what I stand for.

For the record, yes I hold dual citizenship as well as having a Canadian passport and a NADRA card in Pakistan. I don't turn my back on the country that made me who I am, and I sure as hell don't do any less for the country that allows me to be who I am.

This is my final post to you, the mods have told me not to argue anymore and I've been ignoring you for a while but calling me a radical was the last straw. Feel free to post a rebuttal, I don't even think I'll read it. Not that anything you can come up with can beat any of what I've posted.

 

[anand99]

And it does. I hate OBL and imho he brought a lot of trouble round the world. But again, it's a fact that this has absolutely zilch effect on Al-Qaeda's operations. If anything those radicals will start assuming he's a "martyr" and resume their raids even more.

Again, a completely neutral history or political science professor could tell you as much. In no way does this at all translate to the slightest sympathy with OBL.

I find it amusing and a little sad that your mind cannot seem to realize that just because OBL was a bad man, doesn't make the wholescale destruction leading up to his death any less than it should rationally have been.

Actually every single analyst in the world disagrees with your opinion. Just turn on the television. It certainly means a great deal to americans who were the most affected by 9/11.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

I dunno man, given that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES acknowledged Pakistani help in the capture of Bean Ladoo I think the discussion should be ended.

I take it you haven't read much about his capture or the issues surrounding it.

 

[Poison]

anand ... you seem to be having moderate-high level comprehension issues.

Edit: read through the thread BB

 

[anand99]

Here Anand99, quoted specifically for you.

Ok, so it was his statement. and my response was to his statement.

 

[1137moiz]

Actually every single analyst in the world disagrees with your opinion. Just turn on the television. It certainly means a great deal to americans who were the most affected by 9/11.

Emotionally, yes. And congratulations to them for that. As far as analysts on the news go, they have been proven wrong in hindsight countless times (Vietnam, WMDs, the "Japs" of WW2) and will continue to be proven wrong in hindsight. Emotionally, it's wonderful that the victims of 9/11 can have some closure. Realistically, it makes not a jot of difference.

Read up on the Al-Qaeda--OBL was just the "face" of the organization to Americans. If we are going by the false assumption that the death of one leader somehow stigmatizes the terrorists, then Ayman al-Zawahri has always been more hardline and dangerous. And in any case that assumption is false...not until you root out Al-Qaeda propaganda, and stop harvesting new terrorists and extremists with idiotic invasions, and start actually educating impressionable young fools who could otherwise be swayed to join them, will you root out Al-Qaeda.

OBL's death is a token gesture, nothing more. Something for the commanders and planners to put on their resumes: We managed to kill OBL at last; after two misguided invasions, countless deaths and a decade of confusion, we nabbed the stinker.

 

[anand99]

anand ... you seem to be having moderate-high level comprehension issues.

Edit: read through the thread BB

Is that the only response you have for my post below

I suppose when it is convenient for you, it is easier to believe in the President of the USA. I assume you also believe him in his story about predator drones and not causing harm to pakistani civilians. Every major news outlet in the US is now questioning the role of Pakistan. I am sure you have access to all the news channels.

I wonder if you can stay away from personal insults and carry on a debate.

 

[1137moiz]

Is that the only response you have for my post below



I wonder if you can stay away from personal insults and carry on a debate.

Says the guy accusing anybody who slightly differs with his opinion of being borderline terrorists. How can you hope to carry on a debate if you can't stomach the slightest difference of opinion without accusing others of treason or radicalism?

 

[anand99]

Says the guy accusing anybody who slightly differs with his opinion of being borderline terrorists. How can you hope to carry on a debate if you can't stomach the slightest difference of opinion without accusing others of treason or radicalism?

I did not resort to personal insults, also I did not accuse anyone of treason. Stop making up stuff. I question some people's allegience though based on the content of their posts. Well within reason to do so based on what I have read.

Also, if I cannot stomach difference of opinion I wouldn't be a longstanding member of this forum. Please help find a hate mongering post by me or a post that baits or trolls.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

anand ... you seem to be having moderate-high level comprehension issues.

Edit: read through the thread BB

It's quite clear that Pak have assisted the US in a general sort of way. This is what Obama was referring to.

Pak was not directly involved in the operation to catch bin Laden. They did not even know about it. They helped to locate the brother of the courier, which in the end helped the US eventually locate the compound. Pak did not know about the US' interest in the compound at all.

This has been stated by numerous US and Pak officials, speaking both officially and anonymously. Read the reports online from both Pakistani and western media sources.

US officials have confirmed that no country was told about the operation. Senior Pak intelligence officials have corroborated this.

At the same time, senior US intelligence officials have also stated they "zero evidence" that the Pak govt knew where OBL was.

Even the Pakistani media is questioning whether the govt/ISI/army was incompetent or hiding OBL.

Either way, Pak comes out looking very bad in this whole affair.

 

[GOAT]

I feel as though I was responding to Rush Limbaugh, the American media machine sure does work its wonders, doesn't it?

Can you imagine all the Americans sitting at home at night worrying that there may be some reprisals from Al-Qaeda? Nobody gets effected negatively by this but Pakistan.

 

[Prince_Pathan]

Then he shouldn't be living in Canada.

why shouldnt he?

so he should forget about his motherland then? its ok to like both canada and pak right?



dont think lowkey or umar akmal fan have said anything remotely wrong in this thread...

 

[1137moiz]

I did not resort to personal insults, also I did not accuse anyone of treason. Stop making up stuff. I question some people's allegience though based on the content of their posts. Well within reason to do so based on what I have read.

Also, if I cannot stomach difference of opinion I wouldn't be a longstanding member of this forum. Please help find a hate mongering post by me or a post that baits or trolls.

That's just the thing though.

I have no problem with the Americans killing OBL after he bombed them. But that doesn't take away from the facts that

a) it involved a heck of a lot more damage to innocent parties than was necessary (Iraq, Afghanistan, where more lives have been lost than on 9/11)

b) Realistically all OBL's death does is a) give some comfort to the families of the victims, though if they bothered to check the costs to other innocent families they might be a bit disturbed and b) put a nice spot in the resume of the US military in having managed to finally nab the crook, despite enormous costs at the expense of others.

I don't understand how admitting these facts in any way translates to hatred for the US or Canada. In fact it's more than a little insulting that you'd consider anybody here even slightly sympathetic to OBL when it's us and our countries that have been worse affected by the cycle that his crimes set off

 

[anand99]

why shouldnt he?

so he should forget about his motherland then? its ok to like both canada and pak right?



dont think lowkey or umar akmal fan have said anything remotely wrong in this thread...

I have already responded to this above.

 

[Sachin85]

CIA Chief - Panetta : Pakistan would have undermined the operation!

http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/03/cia-chief-breaks-silence-u-s-ruled-out-involving-pakistan-in-bin-laden-raid-early-on/?hpt=T2http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/03/cia-chief-breaks-silence-u-s-ruled-out-involving-pakistan-in-bin-laden-raid-early-on/?hpt=T2

“it was decided that any effort to work with the Pakistanis could jeopardize the mission. They might alert the targets,

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/0...tan-in-bin-laden-raid-early-on/#ixzz1LJPCpS00

 

[Prince_Pathan]

i have one more question

why is lowkey p's allegience to canada or pak being discussed in an obl death thread?

 

[kkmix]

It's quite clear that Pak have assisted the US in a general sort of way. This is what Obama was referring to.

Pak was not directly involved in the operation to catch bin Laden. They did not even know about it. They helped to locate the brother of the courier, which in the end helped the US eventually locate the compound. Pak did not know about the US' interest in the compound at all.

This has been stated by numerous US and Pak officials, speaking both officially and anonymously. Read the reports online from both Pakistani and western media sources.

US officials have confirmed that no country was told about the operation. Senior Pak intelligence officials have corroborated this.

At the same time, senior US intelligence officials have also stated they "zero evidence" that the Pak govt knew where OBL was.

Even the Pakistani media is questioning whether the govt/ISI/army was incompetent or hiding OBL.

Either way, Pak comes out looking very bad in this whole affair.

Now think about it from Pakistan's point of view and why they would make it look like they had no involvement in this. There is no doubt that there will be reprisal from the extremists, and for them, Pakistan is the easiest target. Why would Pakistan want to put itself into danger and become a victim of reprisal. Pak army, ISI and gov't officials would wouldn't want to be the target of those extremists, thus the denial. But on the other hand, US is willing to take all the credit for it, they are more than happy.

There is no way in the world the ISI didn't know about the operation, it's impossible.

 

[GOAT]

i have one more question

why is lowkey p's allegience to canada or pak being discussed in an obl death thread?

Because they callin' me a terrorist.

 

[anand99]

That's just the thing though.

I have no problem with the Americans killing OBL after he bombed them. But that doesn't take away from the facts that

a) it involved a heck of a lot more damage to innocent parties than was necessary (Iraq, Afghanistan, where more lives have been lost than on 9/11)

b) Realistically all OBL's death does is a) give some comfort to the families of the victims, though if they bothered to check the costs to other innocent families they might be a bit disturbed and b) put a nice spot in the resume of the US military in having managed to finally nab the crook, despite enormous costs at the expense of others.

I don't understand how admitting these facts in any way translates to hatred for the US or Canada. In fact it's more than a little insulting that you'd consider anybody here even slightly sympathetic to OBL when it's us and our countries that have been worse affected by the cycle that his crimes set off

There are posts by people more than just you. To begin with, I never questioned your posts. Not sure why you are feeling so defensive?

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Last post to aanand:

I made it abundantly clear that Pakistan is not yet ready for a democracy until we have viable options to choose from. As of now we have corrupt leaders and institutions, leaders who have done more harm in the recent past then the army.

May I ask how much thought you have put into this subject, how much life experience you have in this regard, and how much historical study you have done on this particular subject?

You are extremely confident in making it "abundantly clear" that Pakistan is not ready for democracy, and that the army is a better alternative. You also seem to imagine that the institutions you refer to will suddenly spring up on their own under army rule, rather than develop and mature under a democratic system.

You must also wonder why Pak is in such a dire state given that the army has ruled Pak for around half its history.