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Strike! said:
Decrease in suicide bombings? Really?
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We used to have at least two every week during 2007-2009,until the military operations started.

Now the bombings are more sporadic.

The Pakistan Army have been hugely successful in tackling militants our side of the border,whereas the US operations have been a failure.
 
Well momentous event and all but it has happened so long after 9-11 that I am struggling to find much relevance in the news. It won't make the world a safer place but I doubt many will mourn Osama's passing.

I don't see much suspicious about this, the timing is not that advantageous for the US or Obama. If the theory he died a while ago is valid, what purpose does it serve?

Hopefully it gives a reason to get the hell out of Afghanistan though.
 
Super Sixer said:
To be honest, I didn't bat an eyelid when I found out about the news. I don't know why.

And a lot of things are fishy here. (I'm a big conspiracy theorist,btw)

The picture of 'dead Osama' is most likely a fake.

What do you guys think of this picture? Sorry if it's already been posted, haven't really read through the thread in its entirety.
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I guess that picture has been declared fake, and is not provided by the US..
 
Namak_Halaal said:
Obama must think this news will earn him a second term as President.
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Doesn't help the Democrats really. The only people it would have helped would have been the Republicans in 2008. Obama will win a second term regardless, mostly because the Republicans don't have a worthwhile nominee.
 
Random Aussie said:
Well momentous event and all but it has happened so long after 9-11 that I am struggling to find much relevance in the news. It won't make the world a safer place but I doubt many will mourn Osama's passing.

I don't see much suspicious about this, the timing is not that advantageous for the US or Obama. If the theory he died a while ago is valid, what purpose does it serve?

Hopefully it gives a reason to get the hell out of Afghanistan though.
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I'm sorry but can you please leave then, you're obviously on the wrong forum :)
 
Morning folks.

It would be downright impossible for any armed forces to launch an attack next to an army base without the host country noticing. This isn't Libya or Afghanistan, we have an established community of intelligence people.

I find it ironic that the same people trying to claim we're incompetent are the same ones who'd claim we're the source of all evil in the world. I don't think we'll ever know exactly what kind of tussle occurred behind closed doors over this, but one cannot logically think that the ISI and Pak Army knew nothing about this operation. Doesn't make any sense what so ever.

Not to mention, I find it hard the US couldn't even take bin Laden alive. By all reports it doesn't sound like he was heavily guarded, surely six Navy seals with a head start could've gotten to him without killing him?

Early reports have suggested ISI officials were at the sight of the operation, and on has to think that they're the ones who helped facilitate this capture. The US spent 1.2 trillion dollars on its wars and wasn't able to find OBL - am I to really think this was due to Bush's ineptitude? The US military juggernaut operates like a well oiled machine despite what one silly man may do.

As for how the American public views Pakistan, do you really think it could ever change? Realize that we are embodiment of what they hate to see. Suppose that this was a fully joint operation and the Pakistanis gathered all the intelligence and handed it over to the Americans - the public will not give two damns. Once the public high passes the Indian lobby and - sooner or later - groups like AIPAC would be back campaigning against Pakistan. One event cannot change public perception.
 
Khan88 said:
Wow, just wow. I live maybe 10 minutes from thee in Pakistan. Any news on whose house it was, etc?
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Khan bhai the house was owned by a man named Arshad, his NIC has been found, he was from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
 
Random Aussie said:
Doesn't help the Democrats really. The only people it would have helped would have been the Republicans in 2008. Obama will win a second term regardless, mostly because the Republicans don't have a worthwhile nominee.
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The 2004 election was decided on the basis of two guys kissing - Obama just capped public enemy no. 1. Massive advantage to him, if you don't see then I'm not going to argue, it's clear as day to anyone with a shred of common sense RA.

You're either naive or vastly overestimating the intelligence of the average American.
 
Early reports have suggested ISI officials were at the sight of the operation, and on has to think that they're the ones who helped facilitate this capture. The US spent 1.2 trillion dollars on its wars and wasn't able to find OBL - am I to really think this was due to Bush's ineptitude? The US military juggernaut operates like a well oiled machine despite what one silly man may do.
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This was planned well in advance.In Nov 2010, General Petraeus visited the Pakistan Military Academy, only a few hundred meters from Bin Laden's compound. The US intelligence agencies thought Bin Laden might be living in that compound as early as Aug 2010. Petraeus must have been aware that he was probably only a few hundred metres from Bin Laden at the time of his visit.
 
Markhor said:
This was planned well in advance.In Nov 2010, General Petraeus visited the Pakistan Military Academy, only a few hundred meters from Bin Laden's compound. The US intelligence agencies thought Bin Laden might be living in that compound as early as Aug 2010. Petraeus must have been aware that he was probably only a few hundred metres from Bin Laden at the time of his visit.
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Indeed, in hindsight many events seem much more relevant. All the meetings with Mike Mullen in recent times..
 
If I was American, I'd have voted for Donald Trump tbh, just to see him winning and going "You're fired!" to Obama. Priceless.

I always knew it was a possibility Obama will capture Osama in the build-up to the elections, didn't think they'll kill him though, and throw him into the sea...
 
ahsan88 said:
Khan bhai the house was owned by a man named Arshad, his NIC has been found, he was from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
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Thanks yaar. Hopefully a call to my relatives will divulge some more information.

All these years the terrorist jokes come back to bite me! :P
 
Ayman Salama, a retired brigadier general in the Egyptian army and now at the Egyptian Council for Foreign Affairs, tells the BBC World Service that because "the majority of the Egyptian people are moderate people", they mostly "do not believe that Osama Bin Laden properly and correctly represents the peaceful religion of Islam. We do not regret actually, to tell you the truth, that Osama Bin Laden was killed, was assassinated by the secret intelligence agents in Pakistan."
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Found the wording of the last part interesting.
 
Apparently his daughter is still alive and confirmed death of his father so there is little doubt but i can't understand why his dead body was thrown in sea??

Pakistan may suffer in short term but it will be good in long term, Osama was indirectly responsible for destruction of our country so not worried about his death at all but it's sad how Americans can do whatever they want with no respect whatsoever.
 
Waseem said:
Apparently his daughter is still alive and confirmed death of his father so there is little doubt but i can't understand why his dead body was thrown in sea??
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It is the same reason why Spandau Prison was demolished after the death of the last prisoner,as there were fears neo-Nazis would use it as a shrine.

You wouldn't want to parade OBL's body in front of the world's media,antagonizing his supporters into bloody and violent revenge.
 
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LowkeyP said:
Morning folks.

It would be downright impossible for any armed forces to launch an attack next to an army base without the host country noticing. This isn't Libya or Afghanistan, we have an established community of intelligence people.

I find it ironic that the same people trying to claim we're incompetent are the same ones who'd claim we're the source of all evil in the world. I don't think we'll ever know exactly what kind of tussle occurred behind closed doors over this, but one cannot logically think that the ISI and Pak Army knew nothing about this operation. Doesn't make any sense what so ever.

Not to mention, I find it hard the US couldn't even take bin Laden alive. By all reports it doesn't sound like he was heavily guarded, surely six Navy seals with a head start could've gotten to him without killing him?

Early reports have suggested ISI officials were at the sight of the operation, and on has to think that they're the ones who helped facilitate this capture. The US spent 1.2 trillion dollars on its wars and wasn't able to find OBL - am I to really think this was due to Bush's ineptitude? The US military juggernaut operates like a well oiled machine despite what one silly man may do.

As for how the American public views Pakistan, do you really think it could ever change? Realize that we are embodiment of what they hate to see. Suppose that this was a fully joint operation and the Pakistanis gathered all the intelligence and handed it over to the Americans - the public will not give two damns. Once the public high passes the Indian lobby and - sooner or later - groups like AIPAC would be back campaigning against Pakistan. One event cannot change public perception.
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Amercian officials have stated that NO country was informed of the operation in advance - including Pakistan.
 
I had a few posts about that, pretty sure they're just doing it for the public spin on things. Impossible for the US to do this without our okay and then thank us. Pak Army is not that incompetent.
 
LowkeyP said:
I had a few posts about that, pretty sure they're just doing it for the public spin on things. Impossible for the US to do this without our okay and then thank us. Pak Army is not that incompetent.
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The public spin right now is bad, not good, for Pakistan.
 
Understandable. But when has it ever been good for Pakistan?

Do you think that the US could conduct a complex military and intelligence mission inside Pakistan without us getting any hint of it BB?
 
LowkeyP said:
Understandable. But when has it ever been good for Pakistan?

Do you think that the US could conduct a complex military and intelligence mission inside Pakistan without us getting any hint of it BB?
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And you don't find it odd that Bin Laden could have been living there for years without our so-called great intelligence agency knowing it?

Pak are either incompetent fools or they were protecting bin Laden.
 
I must say this is quite surreal for me. I remember the chaos on PP when 9/11 happened. This news is like closure lol
 
Why was the compound walls were so high when none of the houses around the area had not?

If the house was constructed in 2006, that means it was created for this purpose and a big chance that OBL was staying there for good 3-4 years atleast.
 
And so it begins

Pakistan is not a safe nation, not capable of possessing nuclear weapons. This is going to be inevitable :facepalm:
 
What i find ironical that is the amrreki can go around the world like rambo shooting up to catch terrorists, but they cannot get rid of the gangs and the mafia in their own country.


Instad of cleansing the world of "supposedly Islamic terrorism", why cant they clean their door steps from the cocaine and crack wars..


Easy guess drugs would have killed more than the terrorism...
 
123 maybe because karzais country has been bombared by the americans and he ended up being in pakistan...maybe thats why
 
Hugely embarrassing for Pakistan as it will now be seen in the eyes of the world that it has been playing a double game.

The public statements will thank Pakistan for its co-operation etc etc,but you can picture the scene now,with some angry words being exchanged by both sides.The US have searched high and low for this man,but yet he was only an hour outside Islamabad.
 
Prince_Pathan said:
123 maybe because karzais country has been bombared by the americans and he ended up being in pakistan...maybe thats why
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It seems that he has this hatred for Pakistan. He is pointing fingers and telling the world that Pakistan harbors terrorists.
 
Markhor said:
Hugely embarrassing for Pakistan as it will now be seen in the eyes of the world that it has been playing a double game.

The public statements will thank Pakistan for its co-operation etc etc,but you can picture the scene now,with some angry words being exchanged by both sides.The US have searched high and low for this man,but yet he was only an hour outside Islamabad.
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That finger pointing has started. I was just watching BBC and US ambassador to UK was asking the same thing what you pointed out.

Some others also did ask similar questions.
 
Riff said:
And so it begins

Pakistan is not a safe nation, not capable of possessing nuclear weapons. This is going to be inevitable :facepalm:
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Pakistan owning nuclear weapons is an irritant.

A military operation to remove nuclear weapons from Pakistan will be an end to civilization.

America may be all too happy sometimes to pull the trigger,but even they will not go that far.

Communist Cuba was an irritant,being in Uncle Sam's back yard,but a military reaction to the missiles on the Soviets would have lead to a lot of humanity being wiped out.
 
@ BB, yeah I'm pretty sure it's the latter and I'm fairly certain we must've gained something substantial for this. I said it before and I'll say it again: if thats the case I could care less, if it brings some sort of 'big' positive for Pakistan in diplomatic circles I'm happy.

In any case though, let's see how this plays out. Before Obama's press conference I was convincing myself that this meant a massive escalation in US activity in Pakistan, maybe even war. Glad thats not the case so far.

And Karzai is scum, don't make him out to be some sort of patron saint of Afghanistan. This man is filth and could care less about Afghanistan as a nation, a US puppet and nothing more. PP you're senseless backing of all things Pathan is rearing it's head again. Keep it in check. Karzai = everybody's problem. Man would kill his mother to hurt Pakistan.
 
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Markhor said:
Pakistan owning nuclear weapons is an irritant.

A military operation to remove nuclear weapons from Pakistan will be an end to civilization.

America may be all too happy sometimes to pull the trigger,but even they will not go that far.

Communist Cuba was an irritant,being in Uncle Sam's back yard,but a military reaction to the missiles on the Soviets would have lead to a lot of humanity being wiped out.
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What a strange irony - nuclear weapons actually keep us safe.
 
Prince_Pathan said:
123 maybe because karzais country has been bombared by the americans and he ended up being in pakistan...maybe thats why
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Karzai is such a tool.

He will sell Pakistan down the river in an instant if he gets the chance,in return for his precious Indian paymasters.
 
Did anyone catch Hamid Mir on this? The guy has met Bin quite a few times, whenever he met him it was either in Afghanistan or near the border, it even surprised him to hear that they found him living this deep in Pakistan.
 
duostyle said:
Did anyone catch Hamid Mir on this? The guy has met Bin quite a few times, whenever he met him it was either in Afghanistan or near the border, it even surprised him to hear that they found him living this deep in Pakistan.
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Don't believe everything that the man in the box says.

You are running away with 50 million on your head and the best place you choose is 800m away from the military base? Genius.
 
Osama Bin Laden, resided at the place of attack for couple of years based on the reports and the surveillance the US secret agencies kept on his whereabouts from past months, it is every chance that the operation was handled by US agencies alone and informed the Pakistani agencies when near completion. Several reasons for keeping the operation secret, 1. If Laden was residing in such a sensitive military area, then there must be active support from few sources in Pakistan military/intelligence agencies. 2) Previously, Osama escaped the cruise missile attacks in 1998, when he was tipped off of an imminent attack. So, this operation very well could have been secretly conducted by US security agencies.
 
K in Islamabad, writes:

"Pakistani people are tired of other countries bringing their fights to Pakistan where Pakistanis suffer. Osama Bin Laden, a Saudi national, funded by US to fight Soviets in Afghanistan - to give a short history - doesn't include much about Pakistan."
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I liked this - people forget that Pakistan [and Afghanistan] are victims in a sense. We did not ask for any of this, it was pushed upon us.
 
Abdullah22 said:
Well we have them and this is the reality, live with it.
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Believe me not only India ,most countries are trying to deal with that exact same thing. Gun in a child's hand is dangerous for him and also for others around him.
 
neo87 said:
I totally agree with the bold part.
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Actually Pak is more stable with the nukes than without it...

As an Indian i think a nuke armed Pak is always going to be a much more stable society than nuke free...

As long as Pak has the nukes, Americans wouldnt screw around too much and we all know the results of Americans screwing about...

Think as an Indian do you really want an unstable Pak at your doorstep and secondly do you think Pak armed forces are a bunch of trigger happy dopeheads, mate even they know that the balance is in the threat of nukes and not really using them....
 
I liked the shot of ppl dancing outside the White House last night... Shows two things:

1. Hatred for bin laden
2. Increase in unemployment in the US. :D
 
LowkeyP said:
I liked this - people forget that Pakistan [and Afghanistan] are victims in a sense. We did not ask for any of this, it was pushed upon us.
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Mate, the Saudis disowned him, took away his citizenship and never allowed him to enter. Who gave him the shelter then?
 
Statsman said:
Mate, the Saudis disowned him, took away his citizenship and never allowed him to enter. Who gave him the shelter then?
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1). Who funded OBL and created the beast in the 1980's?
2). Where was he born and where did he learn his philosophy?

Al Qaeda is about as Pakistani as Judaism.
 
nish_mate said:
Actually Pak is more stable with the nukes than without it...

As an Indian i think a nuke armed Pak is always going to be a much more stable society than nuke free...

As long as Pak has the nukes, Americans wouldnt screw around too much and we all know the results of Americans screwing about...

Think as an Indian do you really want an unstable Pak at your doorstep and secondly do you think Pak armed forces are a bunch of trigger happy dopeheads, mate even they know that the balance is in the threat of nukes and not really using them....
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I agree with your post here.

Pakistan with Nukes is safe for all in this region. A scared man is more dangerous than a secured one.
 
Ansaar Abbassi is such a rondoo. I feel sorry for him sometimes...
 
LowkeyP said:
1). Who funded OBL and created the beast in the 1980's?
2). Where was he born and where did he learn his philosophy?

Al Qaeda is about as Pakistani as Judaism.
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Totally agree with you there.

But somewhere someone did support him in Pakistan or else he wouldn't have been found here. This cannot be shrugged off..
 
LowkeyP said:
1). Who funded OBL and created the beast in the 1980's?
2). Where was he born and where did he learn his philosophy?

Al Qaeda is about as Pakistani as Judaism.
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People who funded him are obviously guilty.

But you won't deny that there are a lot of supporter for him in Pakistan too. Why else he will go there and live within military area?
 
nish_mate said:
Actually Pak is more stable with the nukes than without it...
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Thats not true.

nish_mate said:
As an Indian i think a nuke armed Pak is always going to be a much more stable society than nuke free...
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Thats again not true.

nish_mate said:
As long as Pak has the nukes, Americans wouldnt screw around too much and we all know the results of Americans screwing about...
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I don't think America will either way screw around unless there is oil in pakistan.:asif

nish_mate said:
Think as an Indian do you really want an unstable Pak at your doorstep and secondly do you think Pak armed forces are a bunch of trigger happy dopeheads, mate even they know that the balance is in the threat of nukes and not really using them....
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No I dont want an unstable Pakistan and about the trigger happy dopeheads, If they are then I might be dead before having this debat so I hope they are not but you guys can't be trusted because of what has happened in the past.
 
LowkeyP said:
@ BB, yeah I'm pretty sure it's the latter and I'm fairly certain we must've gained something substantial for this. I said it before and I'll say it again: if thats the case I could care less, if it brings some sort of 'big' positive for Pakistan in diplomatic circles I'm happy.

In any case though, let's see how this plays out. Before Obama's press conference I was convincing myself that this meant a massive escalation in US activity in Pakistan, maybe even war. Glad thats not the case so far.
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There is no "big positive" for Pakistan in this in any way.

And as for your second point, there was not even a remote chance of war with Pakistan.
 
neo87 said:
Thats not true.


Thats again not true.


I don't think America will either way screw around unless there is oil in pakistan.:asif


No I dont want an unstable Pakistan and about the trigger happy dopeheads, If they are then I might be dead before having this debat so I hope they are not but you guys can't be trusted because of what has happened in the past.
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Was there oil in Vietnam?

As for not true, is that how you think or is that a fact for which you have some evidences?

If it was your feeling then please add IMO and also please give bakc up than simply not true...

The world lived through the cold war only because of the power of nukes and the equilibrium it brought.

Pak minus nukes means no valid reason for India to hold nukes.

India minus nukes, means the Chinese can screw us all day long and we wont be able to do jack...

What the nukes do is bring equilibrium and make it a zero sum game.

As long as Pak has nukes, the Pak Army will ensure the mullahs dont come into power in Pak and if you get mullahs in power in Pak, then means literally guys like Hafeez Saaed sitting in ISB...now do you want to deal with Kiyani or Hafeez Saeed.

I would much deal with a Kiyani or a Musharraff....


Now that is my chain of thoughts, please do give yours than just saying not true....
 
Garuda said:
The helicopter is already hovering over his house. :))
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Would you please stop laughing I'm within a serious gun battle...:97::2gunsfiri


Seriously though I'm waiting to see his dead body.
I also believe US could have captured him alive since there were only 4 men and 1 women living there.
 
Abdullah22 said:
Would you please stop laughing I'm within a serious gun battle...:97::2gunsfiri


Seriously though I'm waiting to see his dead body.
I also believe US could have captured him alive since there were only 4 men and 1 women living there.
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Good that he is not captured alive. Otherwise you never know which flight will get hijacked to free that idiot.
 
BBC live feed
haider in karachi, pakistan, writes: "how can the pakistani army not know about the us operation? So what everyone here is saying is that any country can come into our air space, conduct an operation a few kilometres from the pakistani army academy, and pakistan forces would not know about it? Yeah right. Great news that he is dead though. I'm sure america is a safer place, what about karachi?"
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Abdullah22 said:
Would you please stop laughing I'm within a serious gun battle...:97::2gunsfiri


Seriously though I'm waiting to see his dead body.
I also believe US could have captured him alive since there were only 4 men and 1 women living there.
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Errmm, you can't now. They've thrown it into some ocean.
 
Garuda said:
Good that he is not captured alive. Otherwise you never know which flight will get hijacked to free that idiot.
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Was any plane hijacked to free Saddam?

This is a very lame excuse. Capturing him and putting on a trail would have been a better justice now we only know a one sided story.
 
Just got confirmation from pakdef that the ISI were definatley onsite..full details of the op will be revealed probably in a couple if months down the line..most of the garbage from the uk based Indian analysts is mere speculation bordering on propaganda..I'm especially referring to the Asia Pacific think tank who's sole aim is to spread lies and disinformation to malign Pakistan..
 
nish_mate said:
Was there oil in Vietnam?

As for not true, is that how you think or is that a fact for which you have some evidences?

If it was your feeling then please add IMO and also please give bakc up than simply not true...

The world lived through the cold war only because of the power of nukes and the equilibrium it brought.

Pak minus nukes means no valid reason for India to hold nukes.

India minus nukes, means the Chinese can screw us all day long and we wont be able to do jack...

What the nukes do is bring equilibrium and make it a zero sum game.

As long as Pak has nukes, the Pak Army will ensure the mullahs dont come into power in Pak and if you get mullahs in power in Pak, then means literally guys like Hafeez Saaed sitting in ISB...now do you want to deal with Kiyani or Hafeez Saeed.

I would much deal with a Kiyani or a Musharraff....


Now that is my chain of thoughts, please do give yours than just saying not true....
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No I dont have any evidence , I am not CIA, This is just my opinion.

Hoe can you be sure the mullahs wont come in power even with th nukes. You made zardari what he is and well next time it could be worse.
 
Abdullah22 said:
Was any plane hijacked to free Saddam?

This is a very lame excuse. Capturing him and putting on a trail would have been a better justice now we only know a one sided story.
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Saddam and OBL are two different entities. Did you forget 9/11 when his group hijacked those planes?
 
Garuda said:
Saddam and OBL are two different entities. Did you forget 9/11 when his group hijacked those planes?
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Very very poor line of reasoning. Expecting some type of Con-Air episode?
 
Poison said:
Very very poor line of reasoning. Expecting some type of Con-Air episode?
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hehe not really.

I am just trying to reply to a message suggesting that during Saddam time it didn't happen and hence won't happen in Laden's case.

I am just saying that Laden's group has already demonstrated that capability.
 
Markhor said:
Karzai is such a tool.

He will sell Pakistan down the river in an instant if he gets the chance,in return for his precious Indian paymasters.
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because pak turned their backs on afghanistan

if the americans are indeed making plans to invade pak...then you can sure as hell bet the afghans will help pakistan
 
The idea that our nuclear weapons can be stolen is ludicrous.There is top-level military protection and security at the nuclear sites and there are various codes,passwords and procedures to even access the command and control system for the nukes.

Conducting nuclear strikes is not simply a matter of 'pressing the red button'.

Nor is it a matter of stealing nuclear material from some storage compartment :))
 
Garuda said:
Saddam and OBL are two different entities. Did you forget 9/11 when his group hijacked those planes?
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What were the original excuses used by American Government to portray Saddam as the evil man in front of American public?

They were along the lines of Saddam being connected with bin Laden being a partner of AL Qadea terrorists who are behind 9/11 so he is evil America need to hunt him too.

It's 2011 one would guess that securities are high enough that it's impossible for an Arab to hijack a plane with shaving blades.
 
Prince_Pathan said:
because pak turned their backs on afghanistan

if the americans are indeed making plans to invade pak...then you can sure as hell bet the afghans will help pakistan
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Which Afghans? Certainly not the Afghan government or intelligence agencies because they are notoriously pro india.

America will never invade Pakistan. They are having a hard enough time fighting guys with basic weaponry.
 
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