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Blistering Barnacle said:
May I ask how much thought you have put into this subject, how much life experience you have in this regard, and how much historical study you have done on this particular subject?

You are extremely confident in making it "abundantly clear" that Pakistan is not ready for democracy, and that the army is a better alternative. You also seem to imagine that the institutions you refer to will suddenly spring up on their own under army rule, rather than develop and mature under a democratic system.

You must also wonder why Pak is in such a dire state given that the army has ruled Pak for around half its history.
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Not to derail the thread but I agree with Goatclaw. A corrupt democracy has always harmed us more than the army (our best days were under Ayub Khan, and I'd argue most of Musharraf's reign), and unless Imran Khan whips up some sturdy support pronto it doesn't look like our civilian leaders are going to be any less harmful.
 
There's a thread where this topic was being discussed just below guys. I think its the one thats asking if this is our lowest point or something. I already agreed to disagree with ahsan88 over there though, and I don't feel like arguing the point to death because if you can make democracy work - then awesome, let's do it. We all want whats best for Pakistan and whatever the means, the end result in this case is whats important.
 
Just a thought guys.. have you guys wondered a reason behind the ISI/Military not declaring openly their involved in the mission due to the fact that they would not like to create more instability and more attacks against the military.. more suicide bombings etc?
 
kkmix said:
Now think about it from Pakistan's point of view and why they would make it look like they had no involvement in this. There is no doubt that there will be reprisal from the extremists, and for them, Pakistan is the easiest target. Why would Pakistan want to put itself into danger and become a victim of reprisal. Pak army, ISI and gov't officials would wouldn't want to be the target of those extremists, thus the denial. But on the other hand, US is willing to take all the credit for it, they are more than happy.

There is no way in the world the ISI didn't know about the operation, it's impossible.
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The Pak govt and military are already a target. Wake up. What do you think's been happening for the last several years. Have you been hiding under a stone or something?
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
May I ask how much thought you have put into this subject, how much life experience you have in this regard, and how much historical study you have done on this particular subject?

You are extremely confident in making it "abundantly clear" that Pakistan is not ready for democracy, and that the army is a better alternative. You also seem to imagine that the institutions you refer to will suddenly spring up on their own under army rule, rather than develop and mature under a democratic system.

You must also wonder why Pak is in such a dire state given that the army has ruled Pak for around half its history.
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I said it earlier in the thread, I would have picked a dictator in the last election over a monarch. This about it; PPP and PMLN are absolute monarchs. They are not democratic parties. Their leadership is passed on to the family members from generation to generation. This is not how democracy works. Until we don't have true democratic party then it's better to just go for a dictator.
 
1137moiz said:
Not to derail the thread but I agree with Goatclaw. A corrupt democracy has always harmed us more than the army (our best days were under Ayub Khan, and I'd argue most of Musharraf's reign), and unless Imran Khan whips up some sturdy support pronto it doesn't look like our civilian leaders are going to be any less harmful.
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I pretty much disagree with all of this post. But it would require a long explanation and probably lead to a long debate that would not be appropriate to this thread.
 
kkmix said:
I said it earlier in the thread, I would have picked a dictator in the last election over a monarch. This about it; PPP and PMLN are absolute monarchs. They are not democratic parties. Their leadership is passed on to the family members from generation to generation. This is not how democracy works. Until we don't have true democratic party then it's better to just go for a dictator.
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I agree that the parties need internal elections. however, it at least gives you the option to vote out one party rather than suffer at the whim of a dictator.

Look at Zia. That man is probably the most responsible for the state of Pak today.

PS. You wouldn't be able to "pick" a dictator. That's an oxymoron.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
The Pak govt and military are already a target. Wake up. What do you think's been happening for the last several years. Have you been hiding under a stone or something?
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It's been happening at a relatively small level, think about a revenge attack for killing the freakin leader. That would be at a much bigger level. And Pakistan wouldn't wanna take blame for that.
 
kkmix said:
It's been happening at a relatively small level, think about a revenge attack for killing the freakin leader. That would be at a much bigger level. And Pakistan wouldn't wanna take blame for that.
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Look if it makes you feel good to think this way, go ahead.

But do you not think there are a thousand crazies who think like you and would not "work this out" for themselves?

Pak has been cooperating with the US since 9/11 to a large extent.

That is enough for the extremists.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
Look at Zia. That man is probably the most responsible for the state of Pak today.

PS. You wouldn't be able to "pick" a dictator. That's an oxymoron.
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being able to "pick" a dictator mean to not go against and give him your support.

Blistering Barnacle said:
I agree that the parties need internal elections. however, it at least gives you the option to vote out one party rather than suffer at the whim of a dictator.
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No, voting for these parties meaning you support Monarchy. These parties haven't gone through internal elections since the beginning, so expecting anything from them now is foolish to say the least. There was no feasible alternative in the last election or one before. Voting out one means electing other king-like party. It will continue like that. till then dictator is the way to go. But I am hopeful the next elections we will have few true democratic parties to choose from.

P.S. Pakistan still don't know what true democracy is.
 
duostyle said:
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I always knew Goat was dangerouss. :afridi
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:))

A minor point that I didn't really want to bring up but...

http://www.google.ca/search?client=...oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=nETATcKfJpK4tge8hdzbBA

edit; according to google images, this is what a radicalist looks like

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Blistering Barnacle said:
Look if it makes you feel good to think this way, go ahead.

But do you not think there are a thousand crazies who think like you and would not "work this out" for themselves?

Pak has been cooperating with the US since 9/11 to a large extent.

That is enough for the extremists.
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oh ok, if you think the retaliation attack for this will be minor or same as before then I can't help you. But I can advise you to not listen to too much media, they play with your mind.
 
kkmix said:
being able to "pick" a dictator mean to not go against and give him your support.



No, voting for these parties meaning you support Monarchy. These parties haven't gone through internal elections since the beginning, so expecting anything from them now is foolish to say the least. There was no feasible alternative in the last election or one before. Voting out one means electing other king-like party. It will continue like that. till then dictator is the way to go. But I am hopeful the next elections we will have few true democratic parties to choose from.

P.S. Pakistan still don't know what true democracy is.
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Another issue I've always had is that all these political parties are in some way, shape, or form a proxy for something or someone else. It's like electing an interest group
 
There are extremists in all democratic societies, but in most of the successful democracies the moderate voices far outweigh the extremists. The moderates in pakistan have to become more vocal rather than be bystanders and take control of the future direction of their nation. Unfortunately, those brave souls who do step up have a very perilous journey ahead. It may take decades but you simply have to stay the course toward democracy. It is the only way.
 
It's amusing seeing news articles about american muslims expressing relief over OBL's death. As if somehow they will be welcomed by their host community with open arms and everything will be back to normal Same with other muslims in the west.

What these idiots fail to see is the americans and the west in general will never ever stop meddling in the affairs of muslims. they will never stop their invasions, occupations or support for their proxies.

And no matter how much you change your accent, bow in respect, mimic their fashion styles, send your daughters to beauty pagents or how much you try and be like them, they will never take you in. Ever. That's what those useless french muslims did and all they got was hijab bannings and repeated slaps from the french establishment.Just showed them for the losers they are. i feel pity for these sorry american muslims. Trying so hard to fit in and yet they get mocked day in day out both in verbally and non verbally.

nothing will change from this death.
 
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Bin Laden wasn't even armed and here's a treat for our neighbours that were hyping up this magical nonexistent radar jammer - they didn't use one. According to our foreign ministry, anyways. But suddenly now is when a lot of posters will conveniently start doubting official statements and say this is our way of avoiding embarrassment. Lose-lose situation.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
It's quite clear that Pak have assisted the US in a general sort of way. This is what Obama was referring to.

Pak was not directly involved in the operation to catch bin Laden. They did not even know about it. They helped to locate the brother of the courier, which in the end helped the US eventually locate the compound. Pak did not know about the US' interest in the compound at all.

This has been stated by numerous US and Pak officials, speaking both officially and anonymously. Read the reports online from both Pakistani and western media sources.

US officials have confirmed that no country was told about the operation. Senior Pak intelligence officials have corroborated this.

At the same time, senior US intelligence officials have also stated they "zero evidence" that the Pak govt knew where OBL was.

Even the Pakistani media is questioning whether the govt/ISI/army was incompetent or hiding OBL.

Either way, Pak comes out looking very bad in this whole affair.
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I think it is logical to assume as much as you've posted up there. I can't quite bring myself to become one of those 'oh dam man osama ain't dead' guys, but logically this has sort of stumped me, if I was looking for a way for Pakistan to look good in this :usman

And anand99, your comparison of scenarios was stupid hence my non-reply, I thought you would've been able to decipher that yourself but apparently not.
 
I don't think the people in possession of these photos are going to leak them lol
 
The latest looks plausible at least - the head is caved in where it's supposed to be I think. Still looks fakey though and the quality will always make you wonder.

it kinda doesn't look like him lol
 
Somali Pirate said:
It's amusing seeing news articles about american muslims expressing relief over OBL's death. As if somehow they will be welcomed by their host community with open arms and everything will be back to normal Same with other muslims in the west.

What these idiots fail to see is the americans and the west in general will never ever stop meddling in the affairs of muslims. they will never stop their invasions, occupations or support for their proxies.

And no matter how much you change your accent, bow in respect, mimic their fashion styles, send your daughters to beauty pagents or how much you try and be like them, they will never take you in. Ever. That's what those useless french muslims did and all they got was hijab bannings and repeated slaps from the french establishment.Just showed them for the losers they are. i feel pity for these sorry american muslims. Trying so hard to fit in and yet they get mocked day in day out both in verbally and non verbally.

nothing will change from this death.
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sounds good cos its true
 
I laugh at all those wannabe goodie goodie two shoe Indians on PP trying to be politically correct when the truth is far from it.

Ever since 9/11 I have read one pertinent point, the World can never fullly-fledge trust honest and respectful Muslims unless such Muslims stand up in public against the bone-headed minority that label themselves freedom-fighters in the name of God. In the same token, unless Indian PPers stand up to the obvious Indian trolls on PP, not one Pakistani will buy the horseshit Indians post in the name of balance.
 
saqlain said:
US has no pressure to release the photographs. They may do that only if they think there is a need.
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The need is people around the world think this is all BS.

Gaddafi's son was killed but the yanks said they need proof, so by their own logic they should also provide the same proof they required.
 
KingKhanWC said:
The need is people around the world think this is all BS.

Gaddafi's son was killed but the yanks said they need proof, so by their own logic they should also provide the same proof they required.
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You are wasting your time mate, Saqlain has very little grasp on logic; he epitomises the 'Sheeple'.
 
saqlain said:
US has no pressure to release the photographs. They may do that only if they think there is a need.
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Ya just like they had no pressure to actually prove WMD's in Iraq hey. All's well in the land of the free.
 
Poison said:
Ya just like they had no pressure to actually prove WMD's in Iraq hey. All's well in the land of the free.
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They are not free - far far far from it. The winners of this world are the ones who sleep in peace at night - Americans, Israelis, and Indians - sleep in fear - because of the bogeyman!
 
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KingKhanWC said:
The need is people around the world think this is all BS.

Gaddafi's son was killed but the yanks said they need proof, so by their own logic they should also provide the same proof they required.
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I am not sure if that is your own desire and you are saying in the name of the US or what. US does not care if the Gaddafi's son is killed or alived. Since when Gaddafi's son has become the most wanted person in the US???? As far people around the world is concern, I am afraid they have to wait for a while. If the US think there is a need to show the photgraphs then they will, otherwise just suck it up.
 
saqlain said:
I am not sure if that is your own desire and you are saying in the name of the US or what. US does not care if the Gaddafi's son is killed or alived. Since when Gaddafi's son has become the most wanted person in the US???? As far people around the world is concern, I am afraid they have to wait for a while. If the US think there is a need to show the photgraphs then they will, otherwise just suck it up.
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It's simple. US wanted evidence of the death so they also understand people want the same evidence of OBL's death. Hypocrisy comes to mind.
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
Sorry but the more I thnk about Wasim_Waqar's post, the funnier it is!

The fact that it makes no sense is just the beginning...highly enjoyable though. Please ask your dad for more theories and post them on here...
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Hi BB. I think somebody hacked my account maybe whilst I was at work! :)

Doubt India had any involvement at present tbh.

We need to pull our socks up though.
 
The official explanations are not plausible, are humiliating and downright patronising...

Pakistan claims they didnt know where Osama was...makes a mockery of the ISI who couldn't find a guy living in a $1m house 10 minutes away from a military establishment...

Pakistan claims they had no knowledge of the op...this makes a mockery of Pakistan's security apparatus who couldn't spot helicopters entering the country, crashing along with a 40 minute firefight and murder...

If were are to believe the above nonsense is true then why is the issue not violation of sovereignty...from both sides...why is Pakistan not up in arms about being kept in the dark...and from the US perspective why are they not being questioned over violating a nations sovereignty...based on their explanations very dangerous precedents have been set...
 
shaykh1985 said:
The official explanations are not plausible, are humiliating and downright patronising...

Pakistan claims they didnt know where Osama was...makes a mockery of the ISI who couldn't find a guy living in a $1m house 10 minutes away from a military establishment...

Pakistan claims they had no knowledge of the op...this makes a mockery of Pakistan's security apparatus who couldn't spot helicopters entering the country, crashing along with a 40 minute firefight and murder...

If were are to believe the above nonsense is true then why is the issue not violation of sovereignty...from both sides...why is Pakistan not up in arms about being kept in the dark...and from the US perspective why are they not being questioned over violating a nations sovereignty...based on their explanations very dangerous precedents have been set...
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The only reason Pakistanis were not involved or told about this operation is because that could have jeopardize the mission. The Pakistanis might alert the targets. It has happened in the past and it is well documented by Americans. Just a little over a week ago Admiral Mullen has stated something very similar in Islamabad and Pakistani military establishment and government was not too happy about it.

US does not care if it is the violation of Pakistan or not. The US policy is very clear and that is if there is actionable intel on OBL then US will go ahead and act. If someone can stop them, good luck.
 
saqlain said:
The only reason Pakistanis were not involved or told about this operation is because that could have jeopardize the mission. The Pakistanis might alert the targets. It has happened in the past and it is well documented by Americans. Just a little over a week ago Admiral Mullen has stated something very similar in Islamabad and Pakistani military establishment and government was not too happy about it.

US does not care if it is the violation of Pakistan or not. The US policy is very clear and that is if there is actionable intel on OBL then US will go ahead and act. If someone can stop them, good luck.
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Your naive if you think this explanation of events is true...do you hand on heart believe this operation was able to take place without co-operation from Pakistan in some form...is Pakistans security apparatus than incompetent?...

And as for your second point...your stating the obvious...that doesn't make it right...are you endorsing their move?...do you believe violation of sovereignty is acceptable?...or is it ok cos they are American? ;-)
 
WASHINGTON: Senior US Congressional leaders urged the Obama administration on Tuesday to reconsider America’s relationship with Pakistan and also threatened to suspend $1.3 billion of annual aid to the country if it’s established that Pakistani intelligence officials helped lodge Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad.

Others disagreed. “Our government is in fiscal distress; to make contributions to a country that isn’t going to be fully supportive is a problem for many. I want to think this out, talking to other members,” said Senator Dianne Feinstein, who chairs the powerful Senate Intelligence Committee.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/04/us-lawmakers-threaten-to-suspend-aid.html
 
Still no evidence. US troops love posing with bodies how come they treated enemy number 1 with such respect?
 
There's definitely an internal tussle in the US about aid money to Pakistan. This is, of course, nothing new and has always existed. The anti-Pakistan lobby always tries its level best to disrupt the flow of aid.

If there aren't any significant cuts, I'll take that as a sign of either our involvement or our innocence.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Still no evidence. US troops love posing with bodies how come they treated enemy number 1 with such respect?
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Well they have changed their story in 24hrs. lol

Now..

He did not have a weapon.

The woman was not his wife.

He did not use anyone as a human sheild.

If he wasn't armed and did not fight back why was he killed then?

A group of people including his family were left behind and picked up Pakistani forces. Wonder if these people will be revealed.

The old saying comes to mind, one lie leads to another.
 
True KK. I think the sun had a graphic of him hiding behind his wife with a gun in his hand :))

The media in this country is a joke.
 
4 or 5 U.K papers carried the same headline along the line of 'coward hides behind wife'. No wonder people are brainwashed.

Anjum V Taj Hargey both don't speak for Muslims. lol
 
LowkeyP said:
There's definitely an internal tussle in the US about aid money to Pakistan. This is, of course, nothing new and has always existed. The anti-Pakistan lobby always tries its level best to disrupt the flow of aid.

If there aren't any significant cuts, I'll take that as a sign of either our involvement or our innocence.
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Well I hope all Pakistanis instead of trying to be detectives focus on hoping, persuading & praying that their government doesn't get this aid. Once the aid is over only then will these leaders wake up. Do you know that Nawaz Sharif's food is not made in Pakistan but instead is flown in from London every week?!

PPP, PML-N & MQM IS THE PROBLEM NOT US, ISRAEL OR INDIA
 
I remember being a young kid and listening to Immortal Technique's songs. I think he's the reason I started thinking on my own, can't find viewpoints like that in most of mainstream society.

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+ Bin Laden... it has relevance to the thread, haha.
 
deviously~fading~away said:
Well I hope all Pakistanis instead of trying to be detectives focus on hoping, persuading & praying that their government doesn't get this aid. Once the aid is over only then will these leaders wake up. Do you know that Nawaz Sharif's food is not made in Pakistan but instead is flown in from London every week?!

PPP, PML-N & MQM IS THE PROBLEM NOT US, ISRAEL OR INDIA
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Where on the earth have you read or you were informed that Nawaz Sharif's food is coming form UK???? What is it that a good chef can not cook in Nawaz Sharif's kitchen in his home in Pakistan???
 
KingKhanWC said:
Well they have changed their story in 24hrs. lol

Now..

He did not have a weapon.

The woman was not his wife.

He did not use anyone as a human sheild.

If he wasn't armed and did not fight back why was he killed then?

A group of people including his family were left behind and picked up Pakistani forces. Wonder if these people will be revealed.

The old saying comes to mind, one lie leads to another.
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Why are you listening to British newspapers??? British did not carry out this attack. Read CNN and you will get the real deal.
 
saqlain said:
Where on the earth have you read or you were informed that Nawaz Sharif's food is coming form UK???? What is it that a good chef can not cook in Nawaz Sharif's kitchen in his home in Pakistan???
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My father has been a Pakistani diplomat in Saudi for last 10+ years. He has been to dinners at Sharif's house also the whole Sharif clan have dined with us numerous of times in Pakistan & Saudi.

If I tell you the price of Nawaz Sharif's cuff rings, you might actually faint!

And it's not only Sharif family, PPP & MQM are no different.

Mainsteam Pakistani media will never let normal Pakistanis know this stuff.
 
Navy SEALs, the 'quiet professionals,' got bin Laden

(CNN) -- Navy SEALs live by an unspoken code.

"Be a quiet professional," says Chris Heben, a former SEAL with 10 years of experience carrying out missions in Africa, the Middle East and Afghanistan.

"There is no room for braggarts in the SEALs," he said. "Talking hurts missions and gets people killed."

Members of the special team sent to kill Osama bin Laden in Pakistan on Sunday may never talk about their role in the raid that ended a decade-long manhunt.

But there's no doubt an allegiance to secrecy played a critical role in maintaining the surprise factor necessary for success in the high-stakes gamble that was closely held even among officials in Washington.

Senior administration officials would not disclose the makeup of the team sent on the mission, but a senior defense official said a special team of SEALs was involved. Watch details about the risky raid

Many national media, including the New Yorker, Huffington Post and ABC News, have reported that the group is called Team Six, a highly classified band of anonymous operatives who can travel to a mission on a moment's notice from wherever they are based. They generally are not informed about who their target is until the mission is close at hand.

Former SEALs interviewed by CNN were cautious about describing how Team Six or other special teams within the SEALs work. Generally, SEALs chosen for such a special mission would be tapped by superiors because of a skill that sets them apart, yet they must also be able to jump into another member's job should that man be hurt or killed, they said.

"They need to go far beyond just being a skilled warrior," said Brandon Tyler Webb, a former SEAL who ran the sniper program at the Navy Special Warfare Command and was part of combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Getting on a special team means you've established yourself as a mature and steady operator with a real world track record of high-stakes, sensitive missions," said Webb, who authored the book "The 21st Century Sniper."

"The guys behind this mission [to capture or kill bin Laden] have never given anyone a reason to doubt that they are trustworthy and very focused," he said. "They are the best of the best."

The image of the SEAL belly crawling his way through the jungle is just a bunch of Hollywood nonsense, Heben said.

"The guys who don't make it through SEAL training are the Rambo wannabes," he said. "If you cannot work in a team format, but also function autonomously, you won't last for very long."

Air, Sea, Land

The fighting force known as the Navy SEALs -- short for Sea, Air and Land teams -- has its origins in World War II when the United States realized that to invade Japan, it needed savvy, quick-thinking fighters who could perform reconnaissance at sea.

Beyond tactical expertise, the troops needed to have extraordinary physical strength.

According to the SEAL web site, they became known as jack-of-all-trade troops, able to survey China's Yangtze River disguised as Chinese nationals in 1945 or conduct demolition raids on railroad tunnels and bridges along the Korean coast during the Korean War.

The SEALs did not get their name until after President Kennedy spoke about his admiration for special forces troops and his hope that the U.S. military would better enhance its capacity for unconventional warfare, counter guerilla and clandestine operations.

There was a new and pressing need for more advanced military techniques during the time. Among other missions, the SEALs were deployed to act as advisers and train South Vietnamese commandos.

Vietnam was the first American war to be broadcast widely on television and media, and woven into popular culture for mainstream consumption. It solidified the image of the SEALs as the ultimate tough guy, a reputation burnished by reports of SEALs' ability to do face-to-face combat with Vietcong and stories of their work with the CIA.

The relationship between America's spy agency and its elite troops was crucial to gaining real-time intelligence for missions sometimes carried out at the last minute -- perhaps an asset more important now than ever, experts have said. The war against al Qaeda is just as much about obtaining reliable intelligence as it is winning on the battlefield.

SEALs victories have been many. During Vietnam, they performed a covert operation called the Phoenix Program which captured Vietcong sympathizers.

In the Iran-Iraq war, SEAL teams conducted missions to counter Iranian mine-laying boats. The first military flag officer to set foot in Afghanistan after September 11, 2001, was a SEAL in charge of all special operations for Central Command, according to the SEALs history page on its web site.

The site says SEALs commanded Task Force K-BAR which oversaw the Navy, Air Force and Coalition Special Operation Forces at the beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom which carried out more than 75 special reconnaissance and direct action missions, destroyed more than 500,000 pounds of explosives and weapons, identified enemy personnel and conducted operations that searched for terrorists trying to flee the country by sea.

The largest deployment of SEALs in the group's history came during the Iraq War, with SEALs directing missions that included securing all of the southern oil infrastructures of the Al-Faw peninsula and the off-shore gas and oil terminals, clearing critical waterways so that aid could flow into the country. Several high-value terrorist targets were captured by the SEALs, including Ahmed Hashim Abed, the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater guards in Fallujah, Iraq, in 2004.

The SEALs most recent high-profile mission came in 2009 when a SEAL team rescued the American captain of the cargo ship Maersk Alabama, which had been hijacked by Somali pirates off Somalia's coast. SEAL snipers were on the deck of a ship and fired simultaneously three times, hitting three pirates who were holding the captain.

Ultimate test

SEAL training, Heben said, is "the ultimate test for a guy."

It's social, physical and psychological and tests how well the man can work with others given intense pressure and pain.

SEALs train between 18 and 24 months, with the pinnacle of training coming during Hell Week, five days in which trainees are constantly cold, hungry, sleep deprived and wet.

During Hell week, instructors deprive the participants of sleep, then let them hit the rack just long enough for REM to begin, Webb said.

Instructors are constantly yelling, "Go ahead, quit if you like!"

Many do. The attrition rate for SEAL training is about 90 percent, Heben and Webb said.

Most recruits drop out long before Hell Week because they can't take the training, which involves running 15 miles, topped with a 2-mile open water swim and other intense physical conditioning, Webb said.

"Every day is like climbing Mount Everest," Heben said. "You just keep doing what's in front of you. You don't look up."

Training instructors make you feel like "you're part of an Indian tribe," Heben said.

"There's a lot of back patting and verbal reinforcement. You feel like you're part of something and you're doing great things. But they definitely let you know when you're not doing something right."

The discipline from SEAL training was intensely satisfying to Heben in his early 20s. He had gone to college, and though he was very bright, he was spending more time working out than on his class work. He was restless.

Four walls and books just weren't his thing. Despite unimpressive grades, at 23 he got a job working in home mortgages making $63,000 a year.

Then one day he read an article about the SEALs in Popular Mechanics.

"I enlisted in the Navy immediately," Heben said. "I asked the recruiter, 'What is the fastest track to becoming a SEAL? I'll take that.'"

Though he won't discuss specific areas of countries where he's carried out missions, he said that he normally trained for missions on exact mock-ups of a targeted location. He's confident that the special team knew the compound where bin Laden was hiding as if the SEALs had built it themselves.

It's also no coincidence that the team acted on one of the least moonlit nights on the calendar, Heben said. They certainly weighed heavily a possible attack from a Pakistani military school which sits a short distance from the compound, and they went over many scenarios of attack, aiming to avoid civilian casualties. Go behind the scenes of the raid

SEALs leave nothing to chance. A target is a target. It is an objective, a mission well trained and prepared for, Heben said.

Even if that target turns out to be Osama bin Laden.
 
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Strange, I always thought Navy Seals were pretty self-promoting. This guy certainly doesn't live up to his self-styled "quiet professional" tag.

(Hint: if you call yourself a quiet professional, you probably aren't one.)
 
1137moiz said:
Strange, I always thought Navy Seals were pretty self-promoting. This guy certainly doesn't live up to his self-styled "quiet professional" tag.

(Hint: if you call yourself a quiet professional, you probably aren't one.)
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You are a fast reader :)
 
So will the White House release this photo of Bin Laden or no? What do you guys think?
 
Some people here are still in denial about this and believe it to be a conspiracy.

Funny how they are also the people who think 9/11 was an inside job by America among other belief in conspiracy theories
 
Please. Stop trying to put down people who are skeptical because the United States hasn't proven to be the most trustworthy country in the world throughout their existence. Skepticism is healthy.
 
yaar but there is ample proof of this..

its just not healty for our progress that we are stuck in conspiracy theory every day.

any events that happens to Pak is somehow a conspiracy whether its cricket, politics, or terrorism

Spot fixing trio were framed
India won the world cup which was fixed
9/11 is an inside job
Osama death was staged.

These are just the top of my head
 
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