Out of all Pakistani politicians, I agree with Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari most, but I cannot support him

[marlonbrowndo]

I’ve been in Pakistan over the past 2 months and have started paying close attention to Pakistani politics again. For me out of everyone, Bilawal speaks about relevant issues the most and I agree with his viewpoints a lot. And for some reason i feel like he genuinely believes what he says and wants to implement them etc. I also hate when Pakistani men make jokes about his masculinity etc. It’s a sign of a really pathetic and insecure person. Unfortunately, cheap mentality is very common amongst Pakistani men.

However, because of his family who have done irreversible damage to Pakistan and especially Sindh, I refuse to actually support him. His father has stolen millions from the country and has caused an insane amount of death and destruction. I know it’s not right to judge a child by the sins of the father but unless he publicly condemns his party and family’s actions over the years (which is highly unlikely), I will always believe even if he comes into power, he will be a puppet of his evil father and will always be in his shadow.

 

[Mamoon]

I think Bilawal has genuine potential to be a very good leader, and people need to stop blaming him for his family's sins and perhaps have some empathy for him. When BB died in 2007, he was only 18-19, and he was immediately thrusted into the limelight as her successor. He was simply not ready for the world of Pakistan politics but now after 12 years, he is starting to get into his own. Also, BB kept her children away from politics for the most part. They spent most of their childhood in the UK.

As PPP Chairman, Bilawal has been as powerless as Imran as PM. Zardari has been the real mastermind since 2008 and Bilawal needs to step out of his shadow to fully implement his ideas. People criticise him for not having credentials to become the PM, but what credentials did Imran have? Prior to becoming the PM, he did not hold any public office. He was a cricketer who cashed his popularity to become a politician, and once he got a reality check in 2013, he started polishing boots to become the PM.

Moving forward, Bilawal faces two monumental challenges. He will have to find a way to come into power without polishing boots, something that Imran was unable to do so. Furthermore, he will have to ensure that once he becomes the PM, he will call the shots and will not let the military influence Pakistan's foreign and domestic policies, something that Imran is failing to so at the moment.

Bilawal will have to rekindle the spirit of his grandfather. He was not a man without faults, but he believed in civil supremacy and was ready to take on the bullying of the military. Unfortunately, it cost him his life.

 

[Pakistanian]

Chairman of an:
- Ethnofascist party
- Has no experience of managing a company or any legislative experience
- Grew up priveleged so can't relate to the middle or working classes.

He's certainly not Pakistan's Bernie Sanders.

 

[Bewal Express]

I think Bilawal has genuine potential to be a very good leader, and people need to stop blaming him for his family's sins and perhaps have some empathy for him. When BB died in 2007, he was only 18-19, and he was immediately thrusted into the limelight as her successor. He was simply not ready for the world of Pakistan politics but now after 12 years, he is starting to get into his own. Also, BB kept her children away from politics for the most part. They spent most of their childhood in the UK.

As PPP Chairman, Bilawal has been as powerless as Imran as PM. Zardari has been the real mastermind since 2008 and Bilawal needs to step out of his shadow to fully implement his ideas. People criticise him for not having credentials to become the PM, but what credentials did Imran have? Prior to becoming the PM, he did not hold any public office. He was a cricketer who cashed his popularity to become a politician, and once he got a reality check in 2013, he started polishing boots to become the PM.

Moving forward, Bilawal faces two monumental challenges. He will have to find a way to come into power without polishing boots, something that Imran was unable to do so. Furthermore, he will have to ensure that once he becomes the PM, he will call the shots and will not let the military influence Pakistan's foreign and domestic policies, something that Imran is failing to so at the moment.

Bilawal will have to rekindle the spirit of his grandfather. He was not a man without faults, but he believed in civil supremacy and was ready to take on the bullying of the military. Unfortunately, it cost him his life.

Billo has been in power for 11 years in Sindh as an inheritance in the 21st century, can you list the achievements in those 10 years?

 

[Mian]

I think Bilawal has genuine potential to be a very good leader, and people need to stop blaming him for his family's sins and perhaps have some empathy for him. When BB died in 2007, he was only 18-19, and he was immediately thrusted into the limelight as her successor. He was simply not ready for the world of Pakistan politics but now after 12 years, he is starting to get into his own. Also, BB kept her children away from politics for the most part. They spent most of their childhood in the UK.

As PPP Chairman, Bilawal has been as powerless as Imran as PM. Zardari has been the real mastermind since 2008 and Bilawal needs to step out of his shadow to fully implement his ideas. People criticise him for not having credentials to become the PM, but what credentials did Imran have? Prior to becoming the PM, he did not hold any public office. He was a cricketer who cashed his popularity to become a politician, and once he got a reality check in 2013, he started polishing boots to become the PM.

Moving forward, Bilawal faces two monumental challenges. He will have to find a way to come into power without polishing boots, something that Imran was unable to do so. Furthermore, he will have to ensure that once he becomes the PM, he will call the shots and will not let the military influence Pakistan's foreign and domestic policies, something that Imran is failing to so at the moment.

Bilawal will have to rekindle the spirit of his grandfather. He was not a man without faults, but he believed in civil supremacy and was ready to take on the bullying of the military. Unfortunately, it cost him his life.

This guy is truly suffering from Imranphobia his whole post is more about bashing Imran and Army instead of giving any idea how Billo can come out of Zardari shadow and distance himself from the corrupt leadership of PPP and become a true leader instead of a puppet bwing used by uncles and aunties to cash bhutto votes.

 

[Mian]

Chairman of an:
- Ethnofascist party
- Has no experience of managing a company or any legislative experience
- Grew up priveleged so can't relate to the middle or working classes.

He's certainly not Pakistan's Bernie Sanders.

Let's suppose he was young from 2008-2013 but what exactly he did after 2013 to sideline corrupt daddy? His party is still ruling Sindh and poor billo got nothing to show on his CV

 

[Pakistanian]

Let's suppose he was young from 2008-2013 but what exactly he did after 2013 to sideline corrupt daddy? His party is still ruling Sindh and poor billo got nothing to show on his CV

I find it delusional when people compare him to Justin Trudeau. Trudeau had a personality and accomplishments outside of politics long before he ran for the Liberal party leadership, he was a school teacher and taught drama. What career does Bilawal have besides being the chairman of political party since the age of 18? Lol.

 

[Bewal Express]

Chairman of an:
- Ethnofascist party
- Has no experience of managing a company or any legislative experience
- Grew up priveleged so can't relate to the middle or working classes.

He's certainly not Pakistan's Bernie Sanders.

The mind boggling stupidity of the Bhutto worshippers has to been seen to be believed in the 21st century. They are the oppressers of the poor, it is they that have stolen trilions from the poor, it is they that have created the mafia state.

 

[Bewal Express]

Let's suppose he was young from 2008-2013 but what exactly he did after 2013 to sideline corrupt daddy? His party is still ruling Sindh and poor billo got nothing to show on his CV

He may not have anything to show on his CV but they do have a cool trilion + Stolen from the poor of Sindh.

 

[Mian]

I find it delusional when people compare him to Justin Trudeau. Trudeau had a personality and accomplishments outside of politics long before he ran for the Liberal party leadership, he was a school teacher and taught drama. What career does Bilawal have besides being the chairman of political party since the age of 18? Lol.

Being a bhutto is enough! oh wait he is not even a true Bhutto he is a Zardari )

Imran got enough to show on his CV even before he becoming PM so i find it hilarious to to see Billo and Maryam being compared to him and some so called educated folks downplaying 21 years of professional cricket like it's not even a profession.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

I'd say let's ask the children of Thar.........oh wait

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]
Is it just me or is a certain doctor suffering from anterograde amnesia because as far as I remember Imran's PTI has had a government in KPK since 2013 and yet, apparently, Imran has no credentials but Bilawal does because his party has a government in Sindh

 

[uberkoen]

Billo has been in power for 11 years in Sindh as an inheritance in the 21st century, can you list the achievements in those 10 years?

What do you refer to as achievement?

Would hospitals and cardiovascular centers that were built in Larkana, Khairpur, Sukkur, Nawabshah, Hyderabad and other remote cities be considered an achievement?

What about the installation of 320 RO plants to overcome water shortage and provide water to remote regions within interior Sindh? Would you call that an achievement or no?

Or how about the Thar Coal power plant? Shaheed benazir Bhutto law college and the dental college in Larkana? Modern government schools? Public libraries? Cancer hospital? Thatta Wind Power plant? Darawat dam? Medical college and university in Lyari? The university in Nawabshah?

I could go on and on but I’m sure you get the point.

 

[Loralai]

I’ve been in Pakistan over the past 2 months and have started paying close attention to Pakistani politics again. For me out of everyone, Bilawal speaks about relevant issues the most and I agree with his viewpoints a lot. And for some reason i feel like he genuinely believes what he says and wants to implement them etc. I also hate when Pakistani men make jokes about his masculinity etc. It’s a sign of a really pathetic and insecure person. Unfortunately, cheap mentality is very common amongst Pakistani men.

However, because of his family who have done irreversible damage to Pakistan and especially Sindh, I refuse to actually support him. His father has stolen millions from the country and has caused an insane amount of death and destruction. I know it’s not right to judge a child by the sins of the father but unless he publicly condemns his party and family’s actions over the years (which is highly unlikely), I will always believe even if he comes into power, he will be a puppet of his evil father and will always be in his shadow.

Share your concerns and the fact that posters on the forum refer to him as Billo just highlights how deep rooted this problem is. Really sad but that is where we are as a society.

I think Bilawal certainly has potential and can be a force for good but PPP needs to be gutted out and I think the corrupt reputation does not help them either. This is why I support AWP as they are a genuine leftist option for people in Pakistan but it has a long way to go before establishing itself as a game changer in Pakistan

 

[AdamM97]

Bilawal supports his father which means that he also supports corruption. Apart from his liberal worldview, there’s not much to like about Bilawal.

 

[Bewal Express]

What do you refer to as achievement?

Would hospitals and cardiovascular centers that were built in Larkana, Khairpur, Sukkur, Nawabshah, Hyderabad and other remote cities be considered an achievement?

What about the installation of 320 RO plants to overcome water shortage and provide water to remote regions within interior Sindh? Would you call that an achievement or no?

Or how about the Thar Coal power plant? Shaheed benazir Bhutto law college and the dental college in Larkana? Modern government schools? Public libraries? Cancer hospital? Thatta Wind Power plant? Darawat dam? Medical college and university in Lyari? The university in Nawabshah?

I could go on and on but I’m sure you get the point.

So these are the achievements of a govt of 11years ?
Why did you forget the death of the children of Thar, isn't that an achievement?
Maybe you can tell us what happened to the trillion rupees? Who has been charged for this theft? Who are the Falooda walas? Who is the omini group? Why was MR fined over $3bn dollars? Etc etc etc

 

[Bewal Express]

Share your concerns and the fact that posters on the forum refer to him as Billo just highlights how deep rooted this problem is. Really sad but that is where we are as a society.

I think Bilawal certainly has potential and can be a force for good but PPP needs to be gutted out and I think the corrupt reputation does not help them either. This is why I support AWP as they are a genuine leftist option for people in Pakistan but it has a long way to go before establishing itself as a game changer in Pakistan

The PPP cannot survive without the Corruption​ because they have no ideology. Corruption gives them the power of patronage as They are the landlords and they oppress the landless. They used the Corrupt money to buy the landlords who keep the poor down.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]
Is it just me or is a certain doctor suffering from anterograde amnesia because as far as I remember Imran's PTI has had a government in KPK since 2013 and yet, apparently, Imran has no credentials but Bilawal does because his party has a government in Sindh

I believe I am on your ignore list and quoting you is pointless, but I am still doing it in the hope that someone will quote my post so that you can see my reply.

During PTI’s rule in KP (2013-2018), Imran was the Chairman of PTI and not a public office holder.

If you think that being the chairman of a ruling party gives you enough credentials to become the PM, then Bilawal, Chairman of PPP, the ruling party in Sindh, has as much credentials to become the PM as Imran did.

I don’t suffer from Anterograde amnesia - in your haste to get one over me, you didn’t think it through and your logic went for a swim.

 

[Mamoon]

Billo has been in power for 11 years in Sindh as an inheritance in the 21st century, can you list the achievements in those 10 years?

PPP’s achievements have been listed already. However, whatever complains that you have against them should be directed at Zardari because he is the one calling the shots. His arrest could be a turning point for PPP and Bilawal, because he now has the opportunity to stamp his own authority and ideology on the party.

 

[Loralai]

I know, just imagine how we would boast about stealing a trillion from the very poorest so that the richest can have a 1 lakh cake.

If you want to talk about corruption you need to start with Army and not PPP. Not saying PPP are clean and nor do I support them. But any discussion of corruption needs to take into account the Army too. Even now Musharraf is sitting outside Pakistan in Dubai enjoying the sun. Why isn't he being scrutinised like PPP, PML-N? Do you think his government is any less corrupt than the others? Especially given the current cabinet shares some similarities with Musharrafs

 

[Bewal Express]

I believe I am on your ignore list and quoting you is pointless, but I am still doing it in the hope that someone will quote my post so that you can see my reply.

During PTI’s rule in KP (2013-2018), Imran was the Chairman of PTI and not a public office holder.

If you think that being the chairman of a ruling party gives you enough credentials to become the PM, then Bilawal, Chairman of PPP, the ruling party in Sindh, has as much credentials to become the PM as Imran did.

I don’t suffer from Anterograde amnesia - in your haste to get one over me, you didn’t think it through and your logic went for a swim.

Can you please help me,who Billo is with?

 

[Loralai]

Can you please help me,who Billo is with?

Can we please refer to him by his actual name, Bilawal, rather than Billo?

If people used this type of nickname for PM Imran or any other PTI senior figure, PTI supporters would be very angry and you would never hear the end of it.

 

[uberkoen]

So these are the achievements of a govt of 11years ?
Why did you forget the death of the children of Thar, isn't that an achievement?
Maybe you can tell us what happened to the trillion rupees? Who has been charged for this theft? Who are the Falooda walas? Who is the omini group? Why was MR fined over $3bn dollars? Etc etc etc

I was asking you what you consider achievements?

Now you’ve started talking about cases that are active with NAB. How does NAB come under the Sindh government?

 

[uberkoen]

And by the way people talking about the death of children in Thar can they also talk about the failures of PTI to eradicate Polio from its own provinces.

I think both go hand in hand

 

[Bewal Express]

I was asking you what you consider achievements?

Now you’ve started talking about cases that are active with NAB. How does NAB come under the Sindh government?

Why should Corruption be only a NAB thing? Why can't Billo stop the theft from the poor of his Province? Is he poor? But we know why, it's they that are the mafia in Sindh,it's they that use the Sindh card to steal. Just imagine what they could have done with a trillion rupees?

 

[Bewal Express]

And by the way people talking about the death of children in Thar can they also talk about the failures of PTI to eradicate Polio from its own provinces.

I think both go hand in hand

Maybe a little background reading would help you, but looking at your silliness of this post , nothing can help you.

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]
Is it just me or is a certain doctor suffering from anterograde amnesia because as far as I remember Imran's PTI has had a government in KPK since 2013 and yet, apparently, Imran has no credentials but Bilawal does because his party has a government in Sindh

He just makes up stuff as he goes along. What he doesn't like as responding to the relationship between Billo and Fazlu. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

 

[Savak]

Like Father like Son, i bet he is willing to overlook his fathers involvement in his mothers assasination as long as the gravy train doesn't stop. The loans commission needs to ruthlessly get the looted wealth from him as well.

 

[uberkoen]

Maybe a little background reading would help you, but looking at your silliness of this post , nothing can help you.

Love how the likes of you resort to personal attacks when they don't have an answer.

 

[uberkoen]

Why should Corruption be only a NAB thing? Why can't Billo stop the theft from the poor of his Province? Is he poor? But we know why, it's they that are the mafia in Sindh,it's they that use the Sindh card to steal. Just imagine what they could have done with a trillion rupees?

So your only point of contention is that they didn't stop corruption and everything else that they did achieve is not even taken into consideration. Can we use the same yard stick for all political parties then?

 

[Syed1]

Corrupt son of a corrupt dad.... express meeting should be arranged between him and his forefathers.

 

[Bewal Express]

So your only point of contention is that they didn't stop corruption and everything else that they did achieve is not even taken into consideration. Can we use the same yard stick for all political parties then?

So you naming a few things is a great achievement! Wow, you have such low standards. With such standards, you will be right at home in the PPP.

 

[Bewal Express]

Love how the likes of you resort to personal attacks when they don't have an answer.

What saddens me that the likes of you don't see the theft of a trillion, as a problem. Because if you did, there wouldn't be a conversation to be had about Billi or the PPP as they would be serving life doing hard labour.

 

[Loralai]

Corrupt son of a corrupt dad.... express meeting should be arranged between him and his forefathers.

Do you have any proof of Bilawal corruption? Sad to see you use this kind of aggressive violence towards the head of a democratic party.

 

[Syed1]

Do you have any proof of Bilawal corruption? Sad to see you use this kind of aggressive violence towards the head of a democratic party.

The only proof I need is his parties performance in the province I reside in over the last 11 years while he has been the party head. Do not give me lecture of Billo's excellence while never experiencing his party's rule.

 

[uberkoen]

What saddens me that the likes of you don't see the theft of a trillion, as a problem. Because if you did, there wouldn't be a conversation to be had about Billi or the PPP as they would be serving life doing hard labour.

The Ehtesab Commission (Accountability Commission) was established in 2014, through an Act of the KPK Provincial Assembly, as an independent and autonomous body. Its purpose was to combat corruption and to restore public trust in the government. It had jurisdiction over organizations, public service officials, politicians and any citizens involved in malpractices which resulted in the loss to the government exchequer. Its main role was to reduce corruption through accountability and good governance.

General (retired) Hamid Khan was appointed as the director general of the EC. Under him the Commission, in less than two years, conducted 90 inquires, 43 investigations followed by 29 references of mega corruption filed in the accountability court. For the first time in the history of KPK, many powerful ministers and senior bureaucrats were arrested on corruption charges. This became a matter of concern for the PTI government. In order to protect their ministers, the provincial government reduced the powers of the EC by promulgating an ordinance making the approval of the five-member commission mandatory for arresting a suspect and reducing the maximum period of physical custody of a suspect from 45 to 15 days. The ordinance provides that no legislator will be arrested by the commission without prior intimation to the Senate’s chairman or the Speaker of the national or provincial assembly. Similarly, the chief secretary will have to be informed before the arrest of a civil servant. General Khan resigned in protest as DG EC in February 2016. Since then the post of the DG is vacant and the EC has stalled. The 29 corruption references which were sent to the courts are yet to be decided because of the lack of will at the EC to pursue cases against sitting ministers.

This situation has helped corrupt PTI ministers carry on with their malpractices. The claim of ‘Corruption Free Naya Pakistan’ is very pleasing to the ears of the voters but looking at the EC case it seems far from reality.

The performance of KPK Prosecution Department is no different than the EC or the police. The main objective of the prosecution department is the provision of justice to its citizens, one of the basic functions of Government. The three main functions of the department as highlighted in the Prosecution Service Act of 2005 form a backbone of the province’s justice system. Out of the four provinces, KPK had the worst performance of the prosecution department, rampant with extreme corruption, during the five years’ tenure of PTI government. Even the Supreme Court raised serious questions about the department. (https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/26...suggests-closure-of-kp-prosecution-department)

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

I think the argument simply ends if PPers here think that PPP has done a satisfactory job in Sindh.
Arguing with educated fools is like punching a wall. You'd only hurt yourself.
I only hope the majority of the country doesn't share jyalas' mindset otherwise God help this nation.

P.S. I'd advice the good doctor to have a look at his post again (and realise how he's contradicted his post #2) instead of trying to seek my attention.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

Please point out the contradictions. I am not having a go at you. In fact, I want to help you logically.

 

[uberkoen]

I think the argument simply ends if PPers here think that PPP has done a satisfactory job in Sindh.
Arguing with educated fools is like punching a wall. You'd only hurt yourself.
I only hope the majority of the country doesn't share jyalas' mindset otherwise God help this nation.

P.S. I'd advice the good doctor to have a look at his post again (and realise how he's contradicted his post #2) instead of trying to seek my attention.

I think you are missing the point. A lot of people come on here and criticize PPP and PML for certain things and then talk about the achievements of PTI. Essentially, the yard stick for measuring each party should be the same.

If I were to ask what PTI's achievements in KPK have been I would get a list of schools and hospitals and what not as well. This is what I've provided. Why are the measures different? Why this hypocrisy?

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

[MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

Please point out the contradictions. I am not having a go at you. In fact, I want to help you logically.

Help yourself before you can help others.
Read the 2nd line in post #37.

 

[Bewal Express]

The Ehtesab Commission (Accountability Commission) was established in 2014, through an Act of the KPK Provincial Assembly, as an independent and autonomous body. Its purpose was to combat corruption and to restore public trust in the government. It had jurisdiction over organizations, public service officials, politicians and any citizens involved in malpractices which resulted in the loss to the government exchequer. Its main role was to reduce corruption through accountability and good governance.

General (retired) Hamid Khan was appointed as the director general of the EC. Under him the Commission, in less than two years, conducted 90 inquires, 43 investigations followed by 29 references of mega corruption filed in the accountability court. For the first time in the history of KPK, many powerful ministers and senior bureaucrats were arrested on corruption charges. This became a matter of concern for the PTI government. In order to protect their ministers, the provincial government reduced the powers of the EC by promulgating an ordinance making the approval of the five-member commission mandatory for arresting a suspect and reducing the maximum period of physical custody of a suspect from 45 to 15 days. The ordinance provides that no legislator will be arrested by the commission without prior intimation to the Senate’s chairman or the Speaker of the national or provincial assembly. Similarly, the chief secretary will have to be informed before the arrest of a civil servant. General Khan resigned in protest as DG EC in February 2016. Since then the post of the DG is vacant and the EC has stalled. The 29 corruption references which were sent to the courts are yet to be decided because of the lack of will at the EC to pursue cases against sitting ministers.

This situation has helped corrupt PTI ministers carry on with their malpractices. The claim of ‘Corruption Free Naya Pakistan’ is very pleasing to the ears of the voters but looking at the EC case it seems far from reality.

The performance of KPK Prosecution Department is no different than the EC or the police. The main objective of the prosecution department is the provision of justice to its citizens, one of the basic functions of Government. The three main functions of the department as highlighted in the Prosecution Service Act of 2005 form a backbone of the province’s justice system. Out of the four provinces, KPK had the worst performance of the prosecution department, rampant with extreme corruption, during the five years’ tenure of PTI government. Even the Supreme Court raised serious questions about the department. (https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/26...suggests-closure-of-kp-prosecution-department)

I have no doubts that there will be Corruption in KP- it would be amazing to think there won't be but in the PK political culture there is no chance. What didn't happen is that IK was looking for a cut or was at the heart of the operation to steal of the poor eg Omni group,MR deal. Herein Lies the difference between IK and the Billo and his daddy. IK will not be looking to build mansions in London, he wants a legacy of caring and humanity but with the entire PPP and I mean the entire PPP there is not one man that you could claim is honest, from top to bottom the whole party has been created to squeeze the poor. They are evil to a person, and I for one hope they rot in hell. How much does Billo needed to live a good life, why not dedicate yourself to serving the poor that put so much trust in them, their greed is Their greed is their punishment.

Its sad to see another Bhutto worshipper!

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=139075]Hadi Rizvi[/MENTION]

Please point out the contradictions. I am not having a go at you. In fact, I want to help you logically.

You must be out of breath by know, why are you running. Who is the bearded guy?

 

[Bewal Express]

I think you are missing the point. A lot of people come on here and criticize PPP and PML for certain things and then talk about the achievements of PTI. Essentially, the yard stick for measuring each party should be the same.

If I were to ask what PTI's achievements in KPK have been I would get a list of schools and hospitals and what not as well. This is what I've provided. Why are the measures different? Why this hypocrisy?

What do you think happened to the trillion?

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

I think you are missing the point. A lot of people come on here and criticize PPP and PML for certain things and then talk about the achievements of PTI. Essentially, the yard stick for measuring each party should be the same.

If I were to ask what PTI's achievements in KPK have been I would get a list of schools and hospitals and what not as well. This is what I've provided. Why are the measures different? Why this hypocrisy?

2 reasons. Time and incompetencies.

PPP has been in Sindh govt for 11 yrs plus 4 years in federal government as well.
PTI has been in KPK govt for 6 yrs with 1 yr (so far) in federal government.

In a smaller time period PTI has achieved much more than PPP has.

Also the sort of shocking deficiencies and incompetencies shown by PPP are famous. I need not point them out one by one; Thar's children provide probably the most accurate depiction of PPP's "performance".

PTI has also shown deficiencies with some projects but not the depressingly low competency shown by PPP.

 

[slipcatch]

Do you have any proof of Bilawal corruption? Sad to see you use this kind of aggressive violence towards the head of a democratic party.

The only proof I need is his parties performance in the province I reside in over the last 11 years while he has been the party head. Do not give me lecture of Billo's excellence while never experiencing his party's rule.

There is plenty of proof of his father being corrupt.

And there is plenty of proof him defending and protecting his father, turn on that TV daily and you’ll never forget.

I’m from interior Sindh and I’ve seen corruption personally and the way they have destroyed that province.

You just want to support them because he spoke against army, there is no other reason nor there is no defense for your support for billo, yeah billo

 

[slipcatch]

2 reasons. Time and incompetencies.

PPP has been in Sindh govt for 11 yrs plus 4 years in federal government as well.
PTI has been in KPK govt for 6 yrs with 1 yr (so far) in federal government.

In a smaller time period PTI has achieved much more than PPP has.

Also the sort of shocking deficiencies and incompetencies shown by PPP are famous. I need not point them out one by one; Thar's children provide probably the most accurate depiction of PPP's "performance".

PTI has also shown deficiencies with some projects but not the depressingly low competency shown by PPP.

Incompetency of PPP is by their own will. Do not forget that.

 

[Slog]

He should have become chief minister of Sindhi

 

[Bewal Express]

He should have become chief minister of Sindhi

I actually suggested that after the last election because at least we would have seen some of that Oxford Education put to some use. Even though I can't stand him, I can't believe that he would be as evil as the rest of the PPP of Sindh led by his dad and auntie.

 

[aqeelPK]

I have no doubts that there will be Corruption in KP- it would be amazing to think there won't be but in the PK political culture there is no chance. What didn't happen is that IK was looking for a cut or was at the heart of the operation to steal of the poor eg Omni group,MR deal. Herein Lies the difference between IK and the Billo and his daddy. IK will not be looking to build mansions in London, he wants a legacy of caring and humanity but with the entire PPP and I mean the entire PPP there is not one man that you could claim is honest, from top to bottom the whole party has been created to squeeze the poor. They are evil to a person, and I for one hope they rot in hell. How much does Billo needed to live a good life, why not dedicate yourself to serving the poor that put so much trust in them, their greed is Their greed is their punishment.

Its sad to see another Bhutto worshipper!

ex-PPP are in majority in Imran Niazi's cabinet. Niazi rewards the honesty.

 

[aqeelPK]

I actually suggested that after the last election because at least we would have seen some of that Oxford Education put to some use. Even though I can't stand him, I can't believe that he would be as evil as the rest of the PPP of Sindh led by his dad and auntie.

doesn't matter what a few kids living in UK think or wish. What matters is what the people living in sindh believe & wish.

 

[aqeelPK]

Incompetency of PPP is by their own will. Do not forget that.

Niazi rewards incompetency. Look at Niazi's 48 members cabinet, full of PPP lotaaz.

 

[Pakistanian]

Niazi rewards incompetency. Look at Niazi's 48 members cabinet, full of PPP lotaaz.

Do you think Niazi is an insult?

 

[aqeelPK]

Do you think Niazi is an insult?

was referring to Imran Khan Niazi, not Niazai tribe. ppl these days chanting "1 rupya me 2 Niazi, Go Niazi Go Niazi" don't mean to kick out the tribe.

 

[Bewal Express]

doesn't matter what a few kids living in UK think or wish. What matters is what the people living in sindh believe & wish.

What that is bloody obvious.

 

[Bewal Express]

ex-PPP are in majority in Imran Niazi's cabinet. Niazi rewards the honesty.

Those are the guys that saw the light and changed. People do change and if there are cases they will have to face them. The PML are free to file cases to the man they appointed to the head of NAB, the man they don't want replaced because he Maybe an sexual abuser but he can't be replaced.

 

[Bewal Express]

was referring to Imran Khan Niazi, not Niazai tribe. ppl these days chanting "1 rupya me 2 Niazi, Go Niazi Go Niazi" don't mean to kick out the tribe.

Yes people are chanting in your dreams. If you have support, show it. But you haven't, so you want Fazlu to lead the march with his Madrassa kids. Lol

 

[Bewal Express]

Do you think Niazi is an insult?

He thinks so. These Corrupt have nothing but Rona dona, they rob the country and then have nothing to offer except asking for NRO's and escape to London.

 

[Mamoon]

Help yourself before you can help others.
Read the 2nd line in post #37.

I understand you are looking for a way out after your blunder, but I am still waiting for you to point out the contradiction(s).

 

[Slog]

was referring to Imran Khan Niazi, not Niazai tribe. ppl these days chanting "1 rupya me 2 Niazi, Go Niazi Go Niazi" don't mean to kick out the tribe.

Are these people appearing in your dreams lol? They sure don’t exist in real life

 

[Bewal Express]

I understand you are looking for a way out after your blunder, but I am still waiting for you to point out the contradiction(s).

Here is a contradiction, Why does Billo hang around with some bearded guy? What's their relationship?

 

[Cricket lover 27]

Here is a contradiction, Why does Billo hang around with some bearded guy? What's their relationship?

Who is this bearded guy you keep talking about?

 

[Bewal Express]

Who is this bearded guy you keep talking about?

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] can you enlighten us.

 

[Pakpak]

Who is this bearded guy you keep talking about?

Fazlu I think.

 

[Cricket lover 27]

Fazlu I think.

Oh....I see...lol.
Thanks

 

[aqeelPK]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] can you enlighten us.

 

[Bewal Express]

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And your point is?

 

[HussainRx8]

Bilawal and his inherited party has a stronghold over Sindh. He can start by purging the feudal lords from his ranks and end bonded labor. These steps don't even require new laws to be passed. For example, we already have laws against bonded labor. All it requires is effective enforcement.

I can't think of any party in the world that claims to be liberal, but is built on the foundation of feudalism.

 

[Bewal Express]

Bilawal and his inherited party has a stronghold over Sindh. He can start by purging the feudal lords from his ranks and end bonded labor. These steps don't even require new laws to be passed. For example, we already have laws against bonded labor. All it requires is effective enforcement.

I can't think of any party in the world that claims to be liberal, but is built on the foundation of feudalism.

That's what they call "run with the hare and hunt with the hounds". All these idiots who support Billo and daddy, don't understand the contradiction at the heart of their lies. How can feudals whose very existence is based on oppressing the landless represent those very landless.

 

[Syed1]

With the arrest of Murad Ali Shah around the corner, PPP's Sindh is going to fall and inshallah a forward bloc is created in PPP which will allow PTI to elect their own Sindh CM. Can't wait for PTI to rid us of these scums.

 

[HussainRx8]

That's what they call "run with the hare and hunt with the hounds". All these idiots who support Billo and daddy, don't understand the contradiction at the heart of their lies. How can feudals whose very existence is based on oppressing the landless represent those very landless.

It's conveniently ignored by most in Pakistan. Let's not even discuss the plight of the people in Thar and the recent HIV outbreak where hundreds of children contracted the infection. Baluchistan has an excuse. But what's Sindh's excuse?

 

[Greenstorm]

Bhuttos and Shareefs will never rule this country again. There supporters are delusional and out of touch with ground reality. Even after a year of Imran's supposed incompetence, opposition has not managed to carry out a single sizeable anti-government protest in any city. Pakistanis know what Imran is up against and are willing to give him time. Also, PPP will find it hard to form government in Sindh in 2023.

 

[slipcatch]

Niazi rewards incompetency. Look at Niazi's 48 members cabinet, full of PPP lotaaz.

over played argument, i suggest critics for the sake of criticism should come up with better argument to discredit and to put down current government.

 

[Syed1]

Anybody who even remotely feels like supporting PPP or Billo should listen to this.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

What do you refer to as achievement?

Would hospitals and cardiovascular centers that were built in Larkana, Khairpur, Sukkur, Nawabshah, Hyderabad and other remote cities be considered an achievement?

What about the installation of 320 RO plants to overcome water shortage and provide water to remote regions within interior Sindh? Would you call that an achievement or no?

Or how about the Thar Coal power plant? Shaheed benazir Bhutto law college and the dental college in Larkana? Modern government schools? Public libraries? Cancer hospital? Thatta Wind Power plant? Darawat dam? Medical college and university in Lyari? The university in Nawabshah?

I could go on and on but I’m sure you get the point.

False claims. Most of these achievements are only limited to the files or inauguration stones.

 

[Pete Rose]

His party has the mandate in sindh. Hopefully they will show what they can do here and get back to the national stage.

 

[uberkoen]

False claims. Most of these achievements are only limited to the files or inauguration stones.

lol okay.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Anybody who even remotely feels like supporting PPP or Billo should listen to this.

Enlightening speech with a bit of humour and banter.

Hard facts exposing major incompetencies in the governments of PMLN and PPP.

 

[Loralai]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Happy birthday &#55358;&#56691; <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBhuttoZardari</a>! May you shine on like the guiding star &#55356;&#57119; in this cloudy firmament. Your great mother would have been so proud of how u are building alliances but keeping your path clear on progressive, inclusive politics that Pakistan so badly needs today.</p>— SenatorSherryRehman (@sherryrehman) <a href="https://twitter.com/sherryrehman/status/1307961362124070912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>