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Outrage after Pakistan’s PM Imran Khan links rape to how women dress

Rapists don’t care what their victims wear. It’s not about sex for them, it’s about exerting power.

I have to disagree. What he said and implied is horrendous . Even his x wife called him out on it.

A criminal is a criminal - there is no argument there. What he is saying is akeen to "Be safe than sorry". Stealing/Robbery is a crime. But to say, carry your million dollars in a covered suitcase is not sympathizing/condoning criminals.

Politicians and women's liberation army might read this as blaming the victim.

P. S. For all I care, I dont even mind if women walked around in full nudity. I am actually a pious admirer of everything beautiful in nature. I am sure some smart chap will try to spin this statement (which is the opposite of what Imran said) and school me.
 
A criminal is a criminal - there is no argument there. What he is saying is akeen to "Be safe than sorry". Stealing/Robbery is a crime. But to say, carry your million dollars in a covered suitcase is not sympathizing/condoning criminals.

Politicians and women's liberation army might read this as blaming the victim.

P. S. For all I care, I dont even mind if women walked around in full nudity. I am actually a pious admirer of everything beautiful in nature. I am sure some smart chap will try to spin this statement (which is the opposite of what Imran said) and school me.

Most of the world did not read it like that. That’s quite a spin on that .
 
You are comparing bag of money to a human. Why not just say that men need to be trained and taught to think differently. Change our value system.
 
You are comparing bag of money to a human. Why not just say that men need to be trained and taught to think differently. Change our value system.

That goes without saying.

Even in western liberal societies, parents do advise their daughters to dress modestly. I would do too. I think his statements should be viewed from that reference.
 
With his background Imran Khan should stop lecturing the world and Pakistanis on Islam. He appears incredibly foolish doing this. Naturally people will attack him for his immature understanding of Islam.
 
That goes without saying.
Please tell
Even in western liberal societies, parents do advise their daughters to dress modestly. I would do too. I think his statements should be viewed from that reference.

Please tell me which women in Pakistan dresses immodestly. I would bet 99.99 women who were raped were dressed like a typical pakistani in women
 
With his background Imran Khan should stop lecturing the world and Pakistanis on Islam. He appears incredibly foolish doing this. Naturally people will attack him for his immature understanding of Islam.

Let's assume you had a dark past as well - would you stop telling your kids to do the same or would you tell them to do that because you did the same?
 
That goes without saying.

Even in western liberal societies, parents do advise their daughters to dress modestly. I would do too. I think his statements should be viewed from that reference.

If the daughters are anything like the wokies we see, they will shame their parents that you are blaming me instead of asking others to behave.
 
With his background Imran Khan should stop lecturing the world and Pakistanis on Islam. He appears incredibly foolish doing this. Naturally people will attack him for his immature understanding of Islam.

And those who have actually lectured Pakistanis about.islam have turn the common man into blood thirsty animal.
Take the example of the followers of this Rizvi guy and now his son.
They lectured the nation on Islam and the results is in front of you.

But you still won’t understand, will you?
 
The bold above is where we have a common ground, and I think we all should. The problem can be reduced greatly if both camps work together against this evil.


And the underlined part above, does not have anything to argue against; however, when we look at it from the theological point of view, we notice that faith does not only provide guidance but it also puts in place jurisprudence.

Think about it, if religious guidance was enough, then Islamic doctrine would not suggest any punishment to certain criminals in the Muslim world. Which means, it's deeply rooted in the collective human psychology that some people WILL cross the boundaries.
And hence there is a concept of punishment and consequences of your actions.

And more over, Islamic doctrine makes it perfect. It already knows that even though there is guidance, and there are punishments and warnings clearly put in place in a society, some criminals will STILL get away with it - and hence, there is a concept of "The day of ultimate judgement" when justice will be fully served, and they won't have a place to hide and no where to run.

It also happens out side of religious doctrine.
Take the example of traffic situation.
There are traffic laws in place, and there are consequences in place, yet some drivers WILL break the traffic laws.

So even though you may be driving by following all the rules, you are still not guaranteed to be 100% safe on the road because someone else may break the law. However, you have done your part so you are good and not be blamed for anything.

Perhaps same goes with how do you dress and present yourself in the public.
When you have followed the religious guidance in this scenario, and have done your part by wearing modest clothing, it may not guarantee you a 100% safety from the lust lurking in the eyes of some men, BUT, you are off the hook when a nasty event happens. You have done your part, so you are golden!
Rest is up to THE ONE who will render the ultimate justice.

The difference is that traffic accidents tend to be, well, accidental, whereas rape is deliberate assault for the purpose of exerting power so a woman’s clothes will have no effect on the decision to commit rape.
 
The difference is that traffic accidents tend to be, well, accidental, whereas rape is deliberate assault for the purpose of exerting power so a woman’s clothes will have no effect on the decision to commit rape.

Probably.
But it’s a matter of opinion.

And in my post, I wasn’t referring to the crime of rape when I talked about a woman being looked upon as a sex object by some men, even though she may be wearing fully modest dress.

Convicted rapists must be dealt with an iron fist by law REGARDLESS of how females dress up.
There is no argument against this point, however, this doesn’t mean lewdness in women should be allowed and encouraged in an Islamic society where the majority has decided to live a morally cautious life under Islamic doctrine.

If law of the land recommends capital punishment for convicted rapists, then the same law of the land may also put a guideline to curb lewdness.

It’s obeying the law of the land in both cases.

If some women don’t want to follow it, then they are free to oppose the law through legal channels. Or consider moving out.


And
BTW, many traffic tragedies happen when drives are FULLY AWARE that they are intentionally breaking the traffic rules. This includes over speeding, breaking the red light, lane changing without turning on the signal, not wearing the seat belt, not staying in your lane when required etc.
 
Ah! The influence of a 'degenerate' Bollywood on the rise of rapes in Pakistan.
Correlation and causation has been proved of course. Funny thing how Immy had no issues dilly-dallying with Zeenat Aman of all people back in the day . :)
 
Ah! The influence of a 'degenerate' Bollywood on the rise of rapes in Pakistan.
Correlation and causation has been proved of course. Funny thing how Immy had no issues dilly-dallying with Zeenat Aman of all people back in the day . :)

Imran had a lot of fun when he in his prime. Now he does not want it anymore. I can understand his intentions, but he will always be shown the mirror when he tries to lecture others on morality and Fahashi.
 
Imran had a lot of fun when he in his prime. Now he does not want it anymore. I can understand his intentions, but he will always be shown the mirror when he tries to lecture others on morality and Fahashi.

This is a shallow take on Imran's message. It should be seen as advice from someone who has learned from
experience rather than a lecture on morality. Age brings wisdom which the young can benefit from.
 
This is a shallow take on Imran's message. It should be seen as advice from someone who has learned from
experience rather than a lecture on morality. Age brings wisdom which the young can benefit from.

today's youth wants to experience its own share of mistakes and doesn't want to learn from others mistakes.
 
Imran Khan was a famous playboy in his prime. So...What shameless hypocrisy that he is now telling women to cover up, writes IRAM RAMZAN

On the wall in the front room of my grandparents’ house in Oldham when I was growing up was a huge framed photograph of Imran Khan in cricket whites.

And with good reason. Not only was he devilishly handsome (there isn’t a woman I know, of all ages and backgrounds, who doesn’t sigh over Khan in his prime), but he led Pakistan to its only Cricket World Cup victory, beating England by 22 runs in 1992.

I was just four, but I do remember that day and how ecstatic the family was. Naturally, we also all failed the so-called Tebbit test, to measure one’s loyalty to England and level of integration!

For millions of Pakistanis around the world, few people have been held in as great esteem as Khan, which is why they cheered him on — my family included — when he decided to go into politics in his homeland.


His reputation as a playboy while living in England, where he dated some of the most beautiful women of the time, may have been at odds with his Muslim roots, but it was dismissed by Khan and conveniently forgotten by his supporters.

Now Prime Minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan is back in the spotlight in the UK for his shockingly regressive views on morality and crimes against women, which, given his Western education and previous lifestyle, are all the more astounding in their hypocrisy.

In a recent question-and-answer session with the Pakistani public, the 68-year-old Oxford-educated PM was asked what his government was doing to tackle the surge in sexual violence in the country.

Khan blamed what he described as the ‘increasing obscenity’ spread by Hollywood and Indian Bollywood movies for the surge in sexual crimes against women and children.

He went on to advise women to observe purdah — a term referring to modest dress or segregration of the sexes — ‘to avoid temptation [for men]. Not everyone has the willpower to avoid it,’ he said. The implication was clear: women are, in part, to blame for attacks on them.

Unsurprisingly, his comments were met with fierce condemnation, not least from his ex-wife and mother of his two sons Jemima Goldsmith, who tweeted out a passage from the Quran as a fierce rebuke: ‘ “Say to the believing men that they restrain their eyes and guard their private parts.” The onus is on men.’

She later added: ‘The Imran I knew used to say, “Put a veil on the man’s eyes, not on the woman”.’

They are my sentiments exactly. It would seem that the young Khan certainly had difficulty resisting temptation and showed a distinct lack of willpower when it came to womanising during the years he was a fixture in London high society and nightclubs.

Among those he wooed were the model Marie Helvin, socialite Susannah Constantine, the artist Emma Sergeant, and actresses Stephanie Beacham and Goldie Hawn, as well as the Bollywood superstar Zeenat Aman.

And he relished the lifestyle, not bothering to hide his antics from the Press. He once posed for a photograph in his Knightsbridge flat, sitting on his bed against a backdrop of gold-painted tigers on the wall (above). It was described by one visitor as ‘a bedroom of great expectations’.

Years later, when Khan was asked by an Indian journalist why the youth of Pakistan should listen to him on matters of morality, given his history, he replied that his experience meant he was well qualified to warn them about the dangers of Western decadence and why they shouldn’t follow suit.

How very convenient! But Khan is hardly unique in this dramatic volte-face — there are too many Pakistani, Muslim men who suffer from what could be called the St Augustine complex. In his Confessions, Augustine recounts that he would pray, ‘Lord, make me chaste — but not yet!’

Khan is one of many who have taken full advantage of the freedoms offered in the West but have then ‘seen the light’ in their later years.

Nowadays, with his newfound piety and suitably devout third wife (she wears a veil and covers herself head to toe), Khan never misses a chance to lecture on the immorality of the West.

His second wife, the TV presenter Reham Khan (their marriage lasted less than a year) has often expressed the view that his overt religiosity is perhaps designed to appeal to his core voters as well as to appease the country’s Islamists.

He often communicates his desire for Pakistan to resemble the 7th-century Arabian city of Medina, to emulate the Prophet Muhammad. He is also an admirer of Turkish historical dramas and has been openly urging his citizens to watch them to learn ‘Islamic values’ and ‘culture’. No wonder his opponents’ nickname for him is ‘Taliban Khan’.

Ironically, if Khan had behaved in his own country in the way that he used to in the UK, he would have fallen foul of Islamic Shari’a law, which punishes premarital sex.

Worse, though, than his hypocrisy is his cynicism: he knows all too well that he can get away with such behaviour and double standards because he is a man. No woman deemed to have had an immoral past would be given the benefit of the doubt in Pakistani society.

Pakistan is ranked as one of the most dangerous in the world for women. Sexual abuse and ‘honour’ killings are common, and criminal complaints are rarely reported to police or seriously investigated.

Even when they are, there are shockingly low conviction rates in rape and domestic abuse cases. Until 2006, a woman had to provide four witnesses to report a rape — failing which, she would be tried as an ‘adulterer’.

Even more deplorable is the rising incidence of the rape of minors. Would Prime Minister Khan blame their rape on the clothes these girls — barely more than children — wore?

Sadly, Khan’s views on rape echo the sentiments of a large segment of society that prefers to blame the victim, or external forces such as the ‘wicked West’ or Bollywood, rather than understand why these crimes happen and learn how to make the country safer for women.

When he went into politics, Imran Khan was hailed as the man who could end Pakistan’s rampant corruption and take the nation forward into the 21st-century. Judging by his recent comments, he seems to have dragged it back even farther.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...s-hypocrisy-Imran-telling-women-cover-up.html
 
I do not think there was a female point of view on this topic on this thread - so I thought of sharing the article I read above.

It mostly highlights the same themes of hypocrisy that most posters here seem to have voiced vis-a-vis Imran Khan's latest proclamations.
 
And those who have actually lectured Pakistanis about.islam have turn the common man into blood thirsty animal.
Take the example of the followers of this Rizvi guy and now his son.
They lectured the nation on Islam and the results is in front of you.

But you still won’t understand, will you?

That is coz there is nothing to understand in what you are saying! Funny thing is you see IK as being some kind of great example to Pakistanis! Understand that condemning IK does not make me a supporter of nutcases like Rizvi either. Truthfully we hardly have any honest and good Muslim's in Pak.
 
Let's assume you had a dark past as well - would you stop telling your kids to do the same or would you tell them to do that because you did the same?

Kids and nation are a false equivalence

Although I believe in the power of forgiveness so I don't care if he was a pious man in his youth or not whoever he is RN
That's him and you have to judge him for that

But to "lecture" people about morality that's not his place as a PM that's something for the society itself to do including it's religious leaders
 
Let's assume you had a dark past as well - would you stop telling your kids to do the same or would you tell them to do that because you did the same?

I would want someone who has not committed big sin's like adultery to teach my kids about Islam.
 
I do not think there was a female point of view on this topic on this thread - so I thought of sharing the article I read above.

It mostly highlights the same themes of hypocrisy that most posters here seem to have voiced vis-a-vis Imran Khan's latest proclamations.

The female point of view is misguided as well as she is still hung up on what she regards as hypocrisy. Are people not allowed to change their views as they get more experience in life? She is right about some things though, he got away with a lot of his philandering in his younger days because he was a man, and a woman would be regarded much less highly if she indulged similarly. But that's not unique to Pakistani society.
 
I would want someone who has not committed big sin's like adultery to teach my kids about Islam.

Concentrate on the advice and not who is giving it.

1. Is the person giving advice against something also doing the same now
2. Is the advice good and make sense.
 
Concentrate on the advice and not who is giving it.

1. Is the person giving advice against something also doing the same now
2. Is the advice good and make sense.

There is a saying of Hz Ali (ra),

"Ye mat deykho k kone keh raha hai, ye daykho k kia keh raha hai".
 
This is a shallow take on Imran's message. It should be seen as advice from someone who has learned from
experience rather than a lecture on morality. Age brings wisdom which the young can benefit from.

There is no point in telling youth who are over 18 not to indulge in fun activities as long as it does not go overboard. There are many successful people who enjoyed a lot when they were in their youth.

Government should not tell an adult what he or she needs to do in their private time.
 
There is no point in telling youth who are over 18 not to indulge in fun activities as long as it does not go overboard. There are many successful people who enjoyed a lot when they were in their youth.

Government should not tell an adult what he or she needs to do in their private time.

He was giving an answer to a question put to him, not enshrining it in constitution. It wasn't the "government" telling the youth what to do or not to do.
 
Concentrate on the advice and not who is giving it.

1. Is the person giving advice against something also doing the same now
2. Is the advice good and make sense.

Not good enough. I believe in talking the talk as well as walking the walk. The advisor on Islamic affairs must be worthy of lecturing others. IK's advice on Islam is nit only hypocritical but rather inaccurate and embarrassing. This subject is not for him seeing his past people will naturally criticise him.
 
Imran Khan does it again, blames women wearing ‘small clothes’ for sexual violence

Earlier this year, in an interview with Geo News, Khan had made similar comments, stating that sexual violence was a product of ‘obscenity,’ which he described as a Western import.

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan is again drawing flak for his comments blaming women for the rising sexual violence in the country. In an interview with Axios’ journalist Jonathan Swan on HBO, which aired on June 20, the prime minister said, “If a woman is wearing very few clothes it will have an impact on the man unless they are robots. It’s common sense.”

Earlier this year, in an interview with Geo News, Khan had made similar comments, stating that sexual violence was a product of ‘obscenity,’ which he described as a Western import.

Khan was asked by a caller what the government plans to do in the light of rising incidents of rape and sexual violence, especially against children.

In response, Imran Khan blamed “fahashi” (vulgarity) for the rise of rape and sexual violence in the country. Khan also spoke of religion and the concept of ‘purdah’ in Islam. It is to remove “temptation” from society because “not everyone has willpower”, he said.

Justifying his earlier remarks, Khan told Swan that he had spoken about ‘purdah’ as a way to avoid temptation. “We don’t have discotheques, we don’t have night clubs, so its a different way of life here. If you raise temptation in the society to a point and all these young guys have nowhere to go, it has consequences in the society,” he said.

When Swan prodded if a woman’s clothes can provoke sexual violence, Khan responded, “It depends on what society you live in. If in a society people haven’t seen that sort of thing, it will have an impact on them. If you grow up in a society like yours, maybe it won’t have an impact.”

During the interview, Khan also spoke on numerous other issues concerning Pakistan. He stated that his government will “absolutely not” allow the CIA to come to Pakistan and use its bases for cross-border counterterrorism missions, Axios reported. He, however, deflected questions regarding China’s repression of Uyghur Muslims, stating, “Whatever issues we have with the Chinese, we speak to them behind closed doors. China has been one of the greatest friends to us in our most difficult times.”

https://indianexpress.com/article/pakistan/imran-khan-woman-sexual-violence-clothes-7368665/
 
Imran Khan does it again, blames women wearing ‘small clothes’ for sexual violence

Earlier this year, in an interview with Geo News, Khan had made similar comments, stating that sexual violence was a product of ‘obscenity,’ which he described as a Western import.

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan is again drawing flak for his comments blaming women for the rising sexual violence in the country. In an interview with Axios’ journalist Jonathan Swan on HBO, which aired on June 20, the prime minister said, “If a woman is wearing very few clothes it will have an impact on the man unless they are robots. It’s common sense.”

Earlier this year, in an interview with Geo News, Khan had made similar comments, stating that sexual violence was a product of ‘obscenity,’ which he described as a Western import.

Khan was asked by a caller what the government plans to do in the light of rising incidents of rape and sexual violence, especially against children.

In response, Imran Khan blamed “fahashi” (vulgarity) for the rise of rape and sexual violence in the country. Khan also spoke of religion and the concept of ‘purdah’ in Islam. It is to remove “temptation” from society because “not everyone has willpower”, he said.

Justifying his earlier remarks, Khan told Swan that he had spoken about ‘purdah’ as a way to avoid temptation. “We don’t have discotheques, we don’t have night clubs, so its a different way of life here. If you raise temptation in the society to a point and all these young guys have nowhere to go, it has consequences in the society,” he said.

When Swan prodded if a woman’s clothes can provoke sexual violence, Khan responded, “It depends on what society you live in. If in a society people haven’t seen that sort of thing, it will have an impact on them. If you grow up in a society like yours, maybe it won’t have an impact.”

During the interview, Khan also spoke on numerous other issues concerning Pakistan. He stated that his government will “absolutely not” allow the CIA to come to Pakistan and use its bases for cross-border counterterrorism missions, Axios reported. He, however, deflected questions regarding China’s repression of Uyghur Muslims, stating, “Whatever issues we have with the Chinese, we speak to them behind closed doors. China has been one of the greatest friends to us in our most difficult times.”

https://indianexpress.com/article/pakistan/imran-khan-woman-sexual-violence-clothes-7368665/

This man is the biggest hypocrite. Time and again, he has shown that he is mentally unfit to hold public office.
 
He is mentally unfit to hold a public office. He is such an embarrassing person, I have heard from girls who got harassed even in the mosques of Saudi Arabia
 
“If a woman is wearing very few clothes it will have an impact on the man unless they are robots. It’s common sense.”

Did he really say this?

In before [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] finds a way to defend this.
 
Concentrate on the advice and not who is giving it.

1. Is the person giving advice against something also doing the same now
2. Is the advice good and make sense.

IK certainly falls in first point in different aspects.
 
This man is the biggest hypocrite. Time and again, he has shown that he is mentally unfit to hold public office.

Try using some common sense.

He is not blaming women, he is blaming men who ogle at womens flesh, these such men are dangerous.

If my Mrs was in a bikini, i have to accept there are men who will stare at her and think disgusting thoughts, a child knows this.

Please stop attacking IK with such lame understading.
 
Amazing. I can't believe I used to defend him blindly in the past. I want those wasted times back. Lol
 
It's amazing how much people have to fake their lives in order to be accepted by some groups. Such a sad state of affairs.
 
Amazing. I can't believe I used to defend him blindly in the past. I want those wasted times back. Lol

You also used to defend Kamran Akmal, Umer Akmal.

With age, perhaps the images become clearer.
 
"If a woman is wearing very few clothes it will have an impact on the man unless they are robots. It’s common sense."

Not sure how it is blaming man though.

Its irony that native Pakistani, who is supposed to come from a conservative society have progressive mindset but some brit Pakistanis have gone backwards though at the same time, receiving the benefits from the same society where people are voicing for woman's rights.

I respect the resident Pakistanis on this aspect.
 
"If a woman is wearing very few clothes it will have an impact on the man unless they are robots. It’s common sense."

Not sure how it is blaming man though.

Its irony that native Pakistani, who is supposed to come from a conservative society have progressive mindset but some brit Pakistanis have gone backwards though at the same time, receiving the benefits from the same society where people are voicing for woman's rights.

I respect the resident Pakistanis on this aspect.

Please use some common sense. Nowhere does he say its the womans fault, he saying showing flesh impacts men, some are going to ogle at the women thinking only one thing.

Coming from India, you should understand this better than anyone due to the higest rates of abuse in the world.
 
Did he really say this?

In before [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] finds a way to defend this.

Maybe you need to follow more closely, I said earlier that IK is wrong on this. The issue is far more complex than IK has apparently stated.
 
"If a woman is wearing very few clothes it will have an impact on the man unless they are robots. It’s common sense."

Not sure how it is blaming man though.

Its irony that native Pakistani, who is supposed to come from a conservative society have progressive mindset but some brit Pakistanis have gone backwards though at the same time, receiving the benefits from the same society where people are voicing for woman's rights.

I respect the resident Pakistanis on this aspect.

Once again you are using straw man arguments to deflect criticism to British Pakistanis when it is not really crux of the issue. If you read the interview you would see that he says clothing affects men depending what society they come from. Pakistani men aren't used to seeing women in sexually enticing clothing so they get triggered more easily. IK actually concedes that in the western country of the reporter's origin that might be different.

Imran is dealing with the reality of Pakistan society, his comments have to be examined through that lens, what we think in western countries might make for good soundbites, but reality on the ground in Pakistan is different. Because of homegrown Pakistanis as opposed to Brit Paks who you are attacking (again).
 
Extremely misleading propaganda against IK. If you watch the full video, you can see the context of his remarks.

You can see the full 9 minute video of this topic below.

https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1407055763164499971

To summarize IK comments:

When he came into power he was told by police that sex crimes were the fastest growing crime in Pakistan. IK stated that 99% of sex crimes are not reported, as the women and their families are embarrassed at what happened them. Law enforcement can basically go after only 1% of the crimes. Society has to deal with the rest of those cases. Society, as in schools, teachers, media, etc, will need to raise awareness of sex crimes in order to stop them.

He stated that one of the reasons vulgarity is rising due to films of Hollywood and Bollywood. As well as the clothing that females are wearing. If you grow up in a society like the west then it wont be a big deal, but every culture is different, and the impact is different on every society. And just because this content is not having an impact in the west, does not mean its not having an impact in Pakistan.

Also Imran Khan stated what he did 40 or 50 years has no bearing on him bringing awareness of sex crimes. Its not hypocrisy, but nonsense when people bring up his past. As prime minister Imran Khan stated that he has a responsibility to stop these crimes.
 
Extremely misleading propaganda against IK. If you watch the full video, you can see the context of his remarks.

You can see the full 9 minute video of this topic below.

https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1407055763164499971

To summarize IK comments:

When he came into power he was told by police that sex crimes were the fastest growing crime in Pakistan. IK stated that 99% of sex crimes are not reported, as the women and their families are embarrassed at what happened them. Law enforcement can basically go after only 1% of the crimes. Society has to deal with the rest of those cases. Society, as in schools, teachers, media, etc, will need to raise awareness of sex crimes in order to stop them.

He stated that one of the reasons vulgarity is rising due to films of Hollywood and Bollywood. As well as the clothing that females are wearing. If you grow up in a society like the west then it wont be a big deal, but every culture is different, and the impact is different on every society. And just because this content is not having an impact in the west, does not mean its not having an impact in Pakistan.

Also Imran Khan stated what he did 40 or 50 years has no bearing on him bringing awareness of sex crimes. Its not hypocrisy, but nonsense when people bring up his past. As prime minister Imran Khan stated that he has a responsibility to stop these crimes.

Anyone who knows IK would know this.

We have too many fake concerned people, whose real agenda is attacking Pakistan. The same people are often mute when it comes to their own countries on the same topic.
 
Maybe you need to follow more closely, I said earlier that IK is wrong on this. The issue is far more complex than IK has apparently stated.

And my proviso that he has apparently stated was correct because the video in its entirety puts into context. With something as controversial as this, IK needs to have control over how his interviews are edited so that enemies of PK don't use half baked videos to fly in and do damage. Kaptaan also needs to be careful how phrases his answers.
 
Extremely misleading propaganda against IK. If you watch the full video, you can see the context of his remarks.

You can see the full 9 minute video of this topic below.

https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1407055763164499971

To summarize IK comments:

When he came into power he was told by police that sex crimes were the fastest growing crime in Pakistan. IK stated that 99% of sex crimes are not reported, as the women and their families are embarrassed at what happened them. Law enforcement can basically go after only 1% of the crimes. Society has to deal with the rest of those cases. Society, as in schools, teachers, media, etc, will need to raise awareness of sex crimes in order to stop them.

He stated that one of the reasons vulgarity is rising due to films of Hollywood and Bollywood. As well as the clothing that females are wearing. If you grow up in a society like the west then it wont be a big deal, but every culture is different, and the impact is different on every society. And just because this content is not having an impact in the west, does not mean its not having an impact in Pakistan.

Also Imran Khan stated what he did 40 or 50 years has no bearing on him bringing awareness of sex crimes. Its not hypocrisy, but nonsense when people bring up his past. As prime minister Imran Khan stated that he has a responsibility to stop these crimes.

..again what he says about western or bollywood movies portrayal of women is nonsense, because most rape cases in pakistan are done as revenge attacks which he clearly ignores.
secondly countries were women walk around in bikinis still have less rape then in pakistan, where rape is done on burka clad women.
 
Try using some common sense.

He is not blaming women, he is blaming men who ogle at womens flesh, these such men are dangerous.

If my Mrs was in a bikini, i have to accept there are men who will stare at her and think disgusting thoughts, a child knows this.

Please stop attacking IK with such lame understading.

Who is he blaming then? Have you ever been to Pak? All wear a modest dress. Last week, a female corpse was dug up and sexually assaulted in Kasur. Even dead women are not safe and you are talking about modest dress.
 
Extremely misleading propaganda against IK. If you watch the full video, you can see the context of his remarks.

You can see the full 9 minute video of this topic below.

https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1407055763164499971

To summarize IK comments:

When he came into power he was told by police that sex crimes were the fastest growing crime in Pakistan. IK stated that 99% of sex crimes are not reported, as the women and their families are embarrassed at what happened them. Law enforcement can basically go after only 1% of the crimes. Society has to deal with the rest of those cases. Society, as in schools, teachers, media, etc, will need to raise awareness of sex crimes in order to stop them.

He stated that one of the reasons vulgarity is rising due to films of Hollywood and Bollywood. As well as the clothing that females are wearing. If you grow up in a society like the west then it wont be a big deal, but every culture is different, and the impact is different on every society. And just because this content is not having an impact in the west, does not mean its not having an impact in Pakistan.

Also Imran Khan stated what he did 40 or 50 years has no bearing on him bringing awareness of sex crimes. Its not hypocrisy, but nonsense when people bring up his past. As prime minister Imran Khan stated that he has a responsibility to stop these crimes.

:)) hilarious.

So basically women are watching movies and deciding we need to start dressing up like bollywood item girls

However the religious and pious men who don’t watch movies get enticed by these bollywood-Hollywood influenced females and the non-religious type men who watch these movies are getting influenced by the characters in these movies and trying to rape women.

So why doesn’t Imran Khan ban movies in Pakistan or send his tiger force to curb all those pirated downloads and dvds. Not sure how many movie theatres are in Pakistan but I am pretty converting them in to places of moral science might be a good solution.
 
:)) hilarious.

So basically women are watching movies and deciding we need to start dressing up like bollywood item girls

However the religious and pious men who don’t watch movies get enticed by these bollywood-Hollywood influenced females and the non-religious type men who watch these movies are getting influenced by the characters in these movies and trying to rape women.

So why doesn’t Imran Khan ban movies in Pakistan or send his tiger force to curb all those pirated downloads and dvds. Not sure how many movie theatres are in Pakistan but I am pretty converting them in to places of moral science might be a good solution.

He is saying some men get enticed and dont have the will power to stop. He is not blaming women, he is blaming those men. However for the protection of women he is saying society needs to do something. The government has already passed stringent laws against sex crimes. Its death penalty when its a rape of a minor. However most sex crimes dont even get reported. So society needs to do something about it. He has mentioned vulgarity as one of the reasons. Not the only reason. What more can the government do other than pass laws? Its now on society to make sure that these crimes get reduced.
 
Who is he blaming then? Have you ever been to Pak? All wear a modest dress. Last week, a female corpse was dug up and sexually assaulted in Kasur. Even dead women are not safe and you are talking about modest dress.

He is blaming men.
 
Extremely misleading propaganda against IK. If you watch the full video, you can see the context of his remarks.

You can see the full 9 minute video of this topic below.

https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1407055763164499971

To summarize IK comments:

When he came into power he was told by police that sex crimes were the fastest growing crime in Pakistan. IK stated that 99% of sex crimes are not reported, as the women and their families are embarrassed at what happened them. Law enforcement can basically go after only 1% of the crimes. Society has to deal with the rest of those cases. Society, as in schools, teachers, media, etc, will need to raise awareness of sex crimes in order to stop them.

He stated that one of the reasons vulgarity is rising due to films of Hollywood and Bollywood. As well as the clothing that females are wearing. If you grow up in a society like the west then it wont be a big deal, but every culture is different, and the impact is different on every society. And just because this content is not having an impact in the west, does not mean its not having an impact in Pakistan.

Also Imran Khan stated what he did 40 or 50 years has no bearing on him bringing awareness of sex crimes. Its not hypocrisy, but nonsense when people bring up his past. As prime minister Imran Khan stated that he has a responsibility to stop these crimes.

"He stated that one of the reasons vulgarity is rising due to films of Hollywood and Bollywood. As well as the clothing that females are wearing. If you grow up in a society like the west then it wont be a big deal, but every culture is different, and the impact is different on every society. And just because this content is not having an impact in the west, does not mean its not having an impact in Pakistan."

.... So does he mean Pakistani men are more predatory in nature than white male due to cultural difference as a result of which, if Pakistani women wears short clothes, the urge of men will trigger (they are not robot as he stated) and hence responsibility goes towards women for wearing long clothes?

What you stated actually doesn't make any difference than what it was said before.
 
He is saying some men get enticed and dont have the will power to stop. He is not blaming women, he is blaming those men. However for the protection of women he is saying society needs to do something. The government has already passed stringent laws against sex crimes. Its death penalty when its a rape of a minor. However most sex crimes dont even get reported. So society needs to do something about it. He has mentioned vulgarity as one of the reasons. Not the only reason. What more can the government do other than pass laws? Its now on society to make sure that these crimes get reduced.

So some men will get enticed and don't have the will to stop.

Are you seriously saying it's blaming?

its giving an excuse for the heinous actions.

If a rapist says, I HAD TO RAPE her because she enticed me with her short clothes and as a result, I didn't have the will power.

Is he blaming himself or the girl?

answer this question, my request.
 
Extremely misleading propaganda against IK. If you watch the full video, you can see the context of his remarks.

You can see the full 9 minute video of this topic below.

https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1407055763164499971

To summarize IK comments:

When he came into power he was told by police that sex crimes were the fastest growing crime in Pakistan. IK stated that 99% of sex crimes are not reported, as the women and their families are embarrassed at what happened them. Law enforcement can basically go after only 1% of the crimes. Society has to deal with the rest of those cases. Society, as in schools, teachers, media, etc, will need to raise awareness of sex crimes in order to stop them.

He stated that one of the reasons vulgarity is rising due to films of Hollywood and Bollywood. As well as the clothing that females are wearing. If you grow up in a society like the west then it wont be a big deal, but every culture is different, and the impact is different on every society. And just because this content is not having an impact in the west, does not mean its not having an impact in Pakistan.

Also Imran Khan stated what he did 40 or 50 years has no bearing on him bringing awareness of sex crimes. Its not hypocrisy, but nonsense when people bring up his past. As prime minister Imran Khan stated that he has a responsibility to stop these crimes.

A few things.

1. Which Pakistani woman struts around in a bikini on the streets anyway.. I'm sure no woman does so in the subcontinent, never mind Pakistan, which probably has more conservative clothing than the other country in the subcontinent (not including Afghanistan).

2. Most rapes and sex offences are committed against either children or women wearing very modest clothes in the subcontinent. I know many people have an idea of women wearing bikinis and two piece dresses getting molested but such a scenario rarely happens in south asia.

3. By saying that women wearing few clothes tempts the men, he's indirectly attributing it as one of the main causes of rape in the country when firstly, women rarely wear "few clothes" in Pakistan and secondly, by choosing to highlight that as one of the main reasons, no matter how sexually repressed men are in the country, he's choosing to blame the victim rather than the offenders, and indirectly policing the clothing of women like it happens in Iran.

I genuinely thought Imran would be a fresh breath of air in the Pakistani politics but his heel turn of turning from a suave Oxford educated individual to a Yogi Adityanath version of Pakistan after becoming the PM in matters of blasphemy, women's clothing, OBL, etc., is something I never expected.
 
He is saying some men get enticed and dont have the will power to stop. He is not blaming women, he is blaming those men. However for the protection of women he is saying society needs to do something. The government has already passed stringent laws against sex crimes. Its death penalty when its a rape of a minor. However most sex crimes dont even get reported. So society needs to do something about it. He has mentioned vulgarity as one of the reasons. Not the only reason. What more can the government do other than pass laws? Its now on society to make sure that these crimes get reduced.

Sex crimes on paper have stringent laws in pretty much every country on planet earth. Making it more stringent is not a revolutionary idea. It’s not like rape was legal or didn’t have punishment before. Was it? Now that would be something.

Coming to vulgarity in society, that’s a broad statement. What’s the solution? Ban social media internet,VPN’s etc etc. if Imran Khan thinks Hollywood and Bollywood are spreading vulgarity he probably has no clue what’s available there on the internet and how many people these days have access to online.

Had he said our culture is based on respecting women and violators will be brutally punished that would have been crisp and concise. While I just think he got caught up here trying to overthink this and probably didn’t have a bad intention, the statement that came out sounds dumb no matter which way you spin it.
 
secondly countries were women walk around in bikinis still have less rape then in pakistan, where rape is done on burka clad women.

He addressed this. He said each society is different, and just because in the west this type of clothing does not have any impact on sex crimes, that does not mean it does not have an impact in Pakistan.

I would also add that in Pakistan their would be a huge difference in impact based on the type of neighborhood you are in. A women can dress much more liberally in a upper middle class area than a poor area.

The thing is most of us on this forum are from middle and upper middle class families. We socialize with people of a similar background. So sometimes the mentality of the people in those poor areas is ignored.
 
He addressed this. He said each society is different, and just because in the west this type of clothing does not have any impact on sex crimes, that does not mean it does not have an impact in Pakistan.

I would also add that in Pakistan their would be a huge difference in impact based on the type of neighborhood you are in. A women can dress much more liberally in a upper middle class area than a poor area.

The thing is most of us on this forum are from middle and upper middle class families. We socialize with people of a similar background. So sometimes the mentality of the people in those poor areas is ignored.

using the same logic, 99% rapes should happen in Pakistani middle and upper class girls since they tend to wear clothes more liberally.

Since in poor family, the girls don't have that option, so they are more secured.

Are you stating that?
 
He addressed this. He said each society is different, and just because in the west this type of clothing does not have any impact on sex crimes, that does not mean it does not have an impact in Pakistan.

I would also add that in Pakistan their would be a huge difference in impact based on the type of neighborhood you are in. A women can dress much more liberally in a upper middle class area than a poor area.

The thing is most of us on this forum are from middle and upper middle class families. We socialize with people of a similar background. So sometimes the mentality of the people in those poor areas is ignored.

You are generalizing. Are you saying rape happens in only poor neighborhoods?

This is coming across dumber than what Imran Khan is saying.
 
.... So does he mean Pakistani men are more predatory in nature than white male due to cultural difference as a result of which, if Pakistani women wears short clothes, the urge of men will trigger (they are not robot as he stated) and hence responsibility goes towards women for wearing long clothes?

Unfortunately some men are sleazeballs. This is the reality. Pakistani women for the most part are wearing modest clothing. They get be in a hijab and still get leered at. Their is a problem in society. The thing is that the middle and upper middle class people who are on this forum, who are educated, from urban areas, are the minority in Pakistan. Their is a huge difference in their mentality than the mentality of an uneducated person from a village.

What you stated actually doesn't make any difference than what it was said before.

The difference is everything else he said about sex crimes, in a 9 minute response, was ignored, and the entire media is focusing on the "Robot" comment.
 
You are generalizing. Are you saying rape happens in only poor neighborhoods?

This is coming across dumber than what Imran Khan is saying.

No. But a women is a lot safer in a upscale area than a poor one.

using the same logic, 99% rapes should happen in Pakistani middle and upper class girls since they tend to wear clothes more liberally.

Since in poor family, the girls don't have that option, so they are more secured.

Are you stating that?

No. What i am saying is that the values of society are different in poor areas than they are in the more posh areas. Their is a reason women dress very conservatively over their. It is not safe for women in those areas to be dressed anything other than conservative. The middle class and upper class girls can dress more liberally because society in those areas is more accepting.

Since the middle class and upper class areas are more liberal the content of Bollywood and Hollywood films wont have that much of an impact on sex crimes. As in if someone sees an actress in skimpy clothes, it will not entice him to commit a crime. However the people in the poor conservative areas, it could very well entice to commit crimes.

And ignore crimes. Just in terms of leering at women, the people from the lower class conservative areas are much worse than people from the upper class areas. Why? Because their society is much more gender segregated than the people of middle/upper class, who go to mixed schools, have female friends, can date, etc.
 
No. But a women is a lot safer in a upscale area than a poor one.



No. What i am saying is that the values of society are different in poor areas than they are in the more posh areas. Their is a reason women dress very conservatively over their. It is not safe for women in those areas to be dressed anything other than conservative. The middle class and upper class girls can dress more liberally because society in those areas is more accepting.

Since the middle class and upper class areas are more liberal the content of Bollywood and Hollywood films wont have that much of an impact on sex crimes. As in if someone sees an actress in skimpy clothes, it will not entice him to commit a crime. However the people in the poor conservative areas, it could very well entice to commit crimes.

And ignore crimes. Just in terms of leering at women, the people from the lower class conservative areas are much worse than people from the upper class areas. Why? Because their society is much more gender segregated than the people of middle/upper class, who go to mixed schools, have female friends, can date, etc.

Wait..

1. On one hand, you say that rapes and sexual offences are less common in posh upscale areas because the place is more liberal and accepting.

2. Then you say that women in poor conservative areas get molested more. The women in poor conservative areas neither watch Hollywood & Bollywood movies, nor wear skimpy clothes after getting influenced by them but still get molested and raped.

Then why does Imran blame "fahashi"/vulgarity and women wearing skimpy clothes instead of men in the conservative areas actually doing the crime?
 
Wait..

1. On one hand, you say that rapes and sexual offences are less common in posh upscale areas because the place is more liberal and accepting.

2. Then you say that women in poor conservative areas get molested more. The women in poor conservative areas neither watch Hollywood & Bollywood movies, nor wear skimpy clothes after getting influenced by them but still get molested and raped.

Then why does Imran blame "fahashi"/vulgarity and women wearing skimpy clothes instead of men in the conservative areas actually doing the crime?

The IK supporters already stated that he is blaming men by that statement and NOT women.

I don't know how they came to that conclusion but seems like a denial in order to avoid saying that he has committed a mistake by stating that.
 
No. But a women is a lot safer in a upscale area than a poor one.



No. What i am saying is that the values of society are different in poor areas than they are in the more posh areas. Their is a reason women dress very conservatively over their. It is not safe for women in those areas to be dressed anything other than conservative. The middle class and upper class girls can dress more liberally because society in those areas is more accepting.

Since the middle class and upper class areas are more liberal the content of Bollywood and Hollywood films wont have that much of an impact on sex crimes. As in if someone sees an actress in skimpy clothes, it will not entice him to commit a crime. However the people in the poor conservative areas, it could very well entice to commit crimes.

And ignore crimes. Just in terms of leering at women, the people from the lower class conservative areas are much worse than people from the upper class areas. Why? Because their society is much more gender segregated than the people of middle/upper class, who go to mixed schools, have female friends, can date, etc.

You said no but proceed to further stating the same.

I'll ask directly. If a person is poor, he has more tendancy to rape someone. Yes or no?
 
2. Then you say that women in poor conservative areas get molested more. The women in poor conservative areas neither watch Hollywood & Bollywood movies, nor wear skimpy clothes after getting influenced by them but still get molested and raped.

When did i say that women or men from poor areas dont watch Bollywood?


Then why does Imran blame "fahashi"/vulgarity and women wearing skimpy clothes instead of men in the conservative areas actually doing the crime?

I believe for skimpy clothes, he was referring to rapes in India. Especially in Delhi. Pakistani women dont wear skimpy clothes in public.

In Pakistan he is blaming vulgarity, such as whats shown in Bollywood, as of the one reasons of rising sex crimes, as it is enticing some men. This is not the only reason, and he said society needs to do something about this as 99% of sex crimes, are not even reported.

Those men are responsible from their crimes, and not the women. A women should have the right to wear a bikini in public and not be harassed. However Pakistan is not Europe, and it is a conservative poor country. This is the reality.

The government has laws on the books that make this behavior illegal. However society has to do something about it. He just gave one reason for this epidemic in Pakistan.
 
You said no but proceed to further stating the same.

I'll ask directly. If a person is poor, he has more tendancy to rape someone. Yes or no?

A women in Pakistan is at far greater risk in a poor area to be raped than in an upscale area. However this is what you mentioned before:

using the same logic, 99% rapes should happen in Pakistani middle and upper class girls since they tend to wear clothes more liberally. Since in poor family, the girls don't have that option, so they are more secured.Are you stating that?

Its not the clothes, its the area where you wear the. In Europe women wearing string bikini would be safer than women without dupatta in some areas of Pakistan. This is reality.

Same way in Pakistan, Im saying that girls from the middle class/upper class can be dressed more liberally and still be safe, then poor girls.
 
A women in Pakistan is at far greater risk in a poor area to be raped than in an upscale area. However this is what you mentioned before:



Its not the clothes, its the area where you wear the. In Europe women wearing string bikini would be safer than women without dupatta in some areas of Pakistan. This is reality.

Same way in Pakistan, Im saying that girls from the middle class/upper class can be dressed more liberally and still be safe, then poor girls.

If it's not the clothes, then why bring women in to the picture?
 
A few things.

1. Which Pakistani woman struts around in a bikini on the streets anyway.. I'm sure no woman does so in the subcontinent, never mind Pakistan, which probably has more conservative clothing than the other country in the subcontinent (not including Afghanistan).

No one. Pakistani women are dressed very modestly.

2. Most rapes and sex offences are committed against either children or women wearing very modest clothes in the subcontinent. I know many people have an idea of women wearing bikinis and two piece dresses getting molested but such a scenario rarely happens in south asia.

Agreed.

3. By saying that women wearing few clothes tempts the men, he's indirectly attributing it as one of the main causes of rape in the country when firstly, women rarely wear "few clothes" in Pakistan and secondly, by choosing to highlight that as one of the main reasons, no matter how sexually repressed men are in the country, he's choosing to blame the victim rather than the offenders, and indirectly policing the clothing of women like it happens in Iran.

Imran Khan has proposed that rapist be chemically castrated. His government has passed death penalty for rapist of children. Another law was passed for fast tracking sexual assault cases.

He is not soft on rape.

I genuinely thought Imran would be a fresh breath of air in the Pakistani politics but his heel turn of turning from a suave Oxford educated individual to a Yogi Adityanath version of Pakistan after becoming the PM in matters of blasphemy, women's clothing, OBL, etc., is something I never expected.

Unlike Adityanath, he has never insulted religious minorities in Pakistan. So i dont think that's a fair comparison. Also at the end of the day he is PM of Pakistan not PM of Sweden.
 
This is not a slip go a tongue of a silly gaffe, this position of rape victim blaming has been held consistently by PM Imran since coming to office. Rapists in Pakistan would be feeling lighter following IK's statement, telling themselves that those women whom they raped or assaulted were asking for it. Imran has become a sick-minded man who goes out of his way to show his adherence to religion, culture and ortodoxy.
 
This is not a slip go a tongue of a silly gaffe, this position of rape victim blaming has been held consistently by PM Imran since coming to office. Rapists in Pakistan would be feeling lighter following IK's statement, telling themselves that those women whom they raped or assaulted were asking for it. Imran has become a sick-minded man who goes out of his way to show his adherence to religion, culture and ortodoxy.

Really? The PM who said rapist should get chemical castration would make rapist feel lighter?

President Dr Arif Alvi on Tuesday accorded approval to the Anti-Rape Ordinance 2020 which will ensure speedy trial of rape cases with women and children as victims and also allow for chemical castration of those convicted of such offenses.

Sources said Prime Minister Imran Khan had desired to include castration as a punitive measure to counter the increasing incidents of rape.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1596015
 
So blame goes to those raped women as they have dressed "immodestly"?

Where did i say that? A women is never responsible for rape.

If it's not the clothes, then why bring women in to the picture?

Sex crimes are rising in Pakistan. People can have opinions on why that is the case. In Imran Khan's opinion one of the reasons is the rise of vulgarity. Thats his personal opinion. He is entitled to have an opinion.

And while one can disagree with his opinion, but to call him a rape apologist is nonsense.

Especially since his government is doing alot on the legislative side

Human Rights Minister Dr Shireen Mazari said in tweet: “Cabinet Committee on Disposal of Legislative Cases (CCLC) will now finalise (the ordinances) and it should become operational in next few days. It includes an expansive definition of rape, establishment of special court, anti-rape crisis cell, protection of victims and witnesses and prohibition of two-finger test,” she said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1592214

Speaking at a joint sitting of the Parliament after passage of bills pertaining to the FATF, PM Imran had said that the government will soon introduce a three-tier legislation including registration of sex offenders, exemplary punishment for rape and child abuse and effective policing.

In an interview, PM Imran had suggested public hanging and chemical castrating the convicts to curb rising sexual violence in the country.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/318526-pt...c-anti-rape-ordinance-next-week-pm-imran-khan
 
Sex crimes are rising in Pakistan. People can have opinions on why that is the case. In Imran Khan's opinion one of the reasons is the rise of vulgarity. Thats his personal opinion. He is entitled to have an opinion.

And while one can disagree with his opinion, but to call him a rape apologist is nonsense

This was Imran's opinion when asked about the reason for rapes happening:

In response, Imran Khan blamed “fahashi” (vulgarity) for the rise of rape and sexual violence in the country. Khan also spoke of religion and the concept of ‘purdah’ in Islam. It is to remove “temptation” from society because “not everyone has willpower”, he said.

Justifying his earlier remarks, Khan told Swan that he had spoken about ‘purdah’ as a way to avoid temptation. “We don’t have discotheques, we don’t have night clubs, so its a different way of life here. If you raise temptation in the society to a point and all these young guys have nowhere to go, it has consequences in the society,” he said.


And this was the opinion of one of the Delhi gang rape convicts when asked about the reason for rapes happening.

"Women who go out at night have only themselves to blame in case they attract the attention of male molesters", Mukesh Singh, driver of the bus in which the rape took place said.

"A decent girl won't roam around at 9'o clock in the night. A girl is far more responsible for a rape than a boy is. Boys and girls are not equal. House work and house keeping is for girls, not roaming in discos and bars at night or wearing wrong clothes.

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/delhi/nirbhaya-gang-rape-convict-blames-victim-for-the-fatal-assault/articleshow/46433506.cms#


Sure of course Imran is entitled to an opinion but people are also entitled to criticise him for the same when that "opinion" is not much different to the opinion of gang rape convicts. He can pass every hardline legislation there's in the book to punish rape convicts, but as long as he maintains the kind of reasoning he gives above for rapes while being the leader of the country, that will do more harm to the society than whatever legislation would do.
 
The woman parliamentarians have taken a swipe at Prime Minister Imran Khan over his controversial statement on women’s dressing.

In an interview on HBO – aired on Axios' website on Sunday– interviewer Jonathan Swan asked if the PM thinks what women wear has any effect on the temptation that leads to rapes, the PM replied, “If a woman is wearing very few clothes, it will have an impact on the men, unless they’re robots. I mean it is common sense.”

Confused, Swan rephrases his question, “But is it really going to provoke acts of sexual violence?” Maintaining his stance, PM Imran proceeded to elaborate, “It depends on which society you live in."

He added that: “If in a society people haven’t seen that sort of thing, it will have an impact [on them]. Growing up in a society like yours, maybe it won’t impact you. This cultural imperialism… Whatever is in our culture must be acceptable to everyone else."

Criticising the PM’s remarks, PPP Senator Sherry Rehman tweeted that, "Whether it’s our laws or even our religion, which is very clear that respect for women is the responsibility of the beholder, no man has the right to blame women or how they dress, for violence, rape and crimes against women. Shocked that our PM is doing this.”

“Does IK [Imran Khan] not know that by saying women should dress a certain way, he is giving oppressors and criminals against women a new narrative to justify their behaviour. There is NO justification for a prime minister to talk this way. Highly irresponsible and condemnable," she said in a follow-up tweet.

Sindh Minister for Women Development Shehla Raza said PM Imran should focus on the issues being faced by the country instead of “keeping an eye on the women”.

The provincial minister said Imran Khan should not have said this while sitting on the seat of the prime minister of the country.

Other women lawmakers of the Sindh Assembly also slammed the premier over his controversial remarks.

“The world got an insight into a mindset of a sick, misogynistic, degenerate & derelict IK. It’s not women's choices that lead to sexual assault rather the choices of men who choose to engage in this despicable and vile CRIME,” said PML-N spokesperson Marriyum Aurangzeb in a tweet.

“Maybe the misogynist, degenerate can defend paedophiles and murderers, as he advocates for rapist, after all men cannot be expected to control temptation. Just FYI Mr degenerate, self-control is a little thing upon which Allah places a great premium,” she added.
 
Really? The PM who said rapist should get chemical castration would make rapist feel lighter?

President Dr Arif Alvi on Tuesday accorded approval to the Anti-Rape Ordinance 2020 which will ensure speedy trial of rape cases with women and children as victims and also allow for chemical castration of those convicted of such offenses.

Sources said Prime Minister Imran Khan had desired to include castration as a punitive measure to counter the increasing incidents of rape.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1596015

No doubt. He is cheerleading rapists.
 
Imran Khan is saying this a few days after the rape of a student by a cleric. Maybe the victim was wearing small clothes.
 
Imran khan is not popular amongst feminists and liberals, but he is right, in Pakistani society islami jamhorya e Pakistan it is impossible to implement Western standards. Over populated islamic country with less resources :afridi
 
Imran khan is not popular amongst feminists and liberals, but he is right, in Pakistani society islami jamhorya e Pakistan it is impossible to implement Western standards. Over populated islamic country with less resources :afridi

It's not impossible, will just need a bit more time for Pakistan to get westernised. India also has problems with adjusting, hence the rape and sexual assault statistics being much higher than in western countries, but it is more westernised than Pakistan so further down the road.

IK is not a fan of westernisation though, so his solutions seem to be more based on Islamic customs from centuries past combined with traditional clothes of the region. Whether that is sensible or realistic in today's world is debatable.
 
Women lawmakers belonging to ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), in a sharp rejoinder, came down hard on opposition parties and the ‘liberal brigade’ on social media on Tuesday for mercilessly criticising Prime Minister Imran Khan over his controversial statement on women’s dressing.

In an interview on HBO – aired on Axios' website on Sunday – interviewer Jonathan Swan had asked if the PM thinks what women wear has any effect on the temptation that leads to rapes, the premier replied, “If a woman is wearing very few clothes, it will have an impact on the men, unless they’re robots. I mean it is common sense.”

Confused, Swan rephrases his question, “But is it really going to provoke acts of sexual violence?” Maintaining his stance, PM Imran proceeded to elaborate, “It depends on which society you live in."

He added that: “If in a society people haven’t seen that sort of thing, it will have an impact [on them]. Growing up in a society like yours, maybe it won’t impact you. This cultural imperialism… whatever is in our culture must be acceptable to everyone else.”

Minister of State for Climate Change Zartaj Gul Wazir, flanked by Parliamentary Secretary for Law and Justice Barrister Maleeka Ali Bukhari and Parliamentary Secretary for Planning, Development and Reforms Kanwal Shauzab, tried to put the record straight in a joint press conference in Islamabad today.

The state minister firmly rejected the criticisim, accusing the prime minister for tainting the image of the victims bearing sexual violence.

Gul said the “liberally corrupt goons” should not dare to be the leader and representative of our women. There had been repeated efforts made by the “liberal brigade” to distort Prime Minister Imran’s strong efforts made to project a positive and progressing image of the country, she added.

“Prime Minister Imran Khan is the genuine symbol of women empowerment as for the first time in the country’s history, five women parliamentarians have been made cabinet members… along with them 12 parliamentary secretaries are women including Maleeka Bukhari, Kanwal Shauzab and Aliya Hamza Malik who represent their ministries in the parliament,” she said.

Gul stressed that women like her were proud to be called a Pakistani women observing Islam as their faith. “My religion and culture give me respect and we are believers of women rights that are enshrined in the teaching of Islam. Islam gives me freedom and liberty and I am proud to have it,” she maintained.

The PTI leader noted that the country’s culture had numerous precedents of respecting women where men respectfully leave spaces vacant in long queues and crowded places. “Prime Minister Imran Khan is seriously concerned about women and girls and wants to ensure all possible facilities and protection to them against sexual violence,” she said.

PTI was the only party after the Pakistan Movement that mobilised women across the country, she said.

“I am a clear example in this regard… I was elected as a parliamentarian from a feudal tribal society and became the cabinet member. This was only possible due to strong political support and backing of Prime Minister Imran Khan,” Gul stressed.

Maleeka Bukhari, speaking on the occasion, said Prime Minister Imran’s first direction to the Ministry of Law and Justice was to enact laws for reducing sexual violence and discrimination against women.

“You cannot decide prime minister’s priorities for women by just interpreting only one of his statements and that too out of context.”

Bukhari highlighted that the premier had directed to set up special courts under the Anti-Rape Law passed by the parliament, which she said was never done by any previous regimes.

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She added that rape was a non-compoundable and complex offence against the state and the PTI government had established joint investigation teams (JITs), Anti-Rape Crisis Cells and Special Courts under the Anti-Rape Law.

“Under the Section-13 of the Anti-Rape Law, the regrettable law of two finger testing to examine a rape victim has been abolished. Women’s character assassination has also been banned under this law whereas the trail process of such cases has been expedited,” she said.

Bukhari noted the Anti-Rape Fund established to support implementation of the legislation was allocated Rs100 million funding in the current budget.

“Our government has passed Enforcement of Women Property Rights and ensured a grass roots level implementation through the Deputy Commissioner and Women Ombudsman. We took strong and positive steps for ‘curing’ rape,” she added.

Maleeka Bukhari collectively invited all political parties in the parliament to partake in a national dialogue with a bipartisan approach to protect women and girls against sexual violence.

She concluded that there was a fancy word making rounds on social media with the aim to show distorted facts over the matter which should be shunned by the masses as a responsible society.

(With input from APP)
 
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