Outrage after Pakistan’s PM Imran Khan links rape to how women dress

[PetroDollars]

He addressed this. He said each society is different, and just because in the west this type of clothing does not have any impact on sex crimes, that does not mean it does not have an impact in Pakistan.

I would also add that in Pakistan their would be a huge difference in impact based on the type of neighborhood you are in. A women can dress much more liberally in a upper middle class area than a poor area.

The thing is most of us on this forum are from middle and upper middle class families. We socialize with people of a similar background. So sometimes the mentality of the people in those poor areas is ignored.

the point was, IK is not making any sense at all by blaming women in films and on the media, which produce hungry men, men have always been like this, before the first film was ever made, its why men in islam have 4 wives and men in ancient times had 100s and 1000s of concubines, who do you blame for that? there was no IG models and influencers or angelina jolie or katrina kaif in those eras, but it didnt change how men view women.

IK is just looking for excuses, what he actully intends to do is point score and get in the good books of the mullahs and go into the next election as a far right winger.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

the point was, IK is not making any sense at all by blaming women in films and on the media, which produce hungry men, men have always been like this, before the first film was ever made, its why men in islam have 4 wives and men in ancient times had 100s and 1000s of concubines, who do you blame for that? there was no IG models and influencers or angelina jolie or katrina kaif in those eras, but it didnt change how men view women.

IK is just looking for excuses, what he actully intends to do is point score and get in the good books of the mullahs and go into the next election as a far right winger.

There's not enough mullahs in Pakistan to give him enough votes to win an election. If you mean that he's appealing to the religious sentiments of Pakistanis in general then that would make more sense.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1630874/pm-orders-action-against-fia-officials-for-ignoring-womans-complaints-against-harassment

Expressing annoyance over reported “inaction” by the Federal Investigation Agency on a harassment complaint filed by a woman at the Pakistan Citizens’ Portal, Prime Minister Imran Khan has ordered the FIA director-general to investigate the matter and initiate “disciplinary action” against the officials responsible for the neglect.

A letter, whose copy is available with the Dawn.com, issued by the Prime Minister House to the FIA said the woman had filed a harassment complaint on the citizens’ portal at least five times between December 2019 and June 2021, but it remained unaddressed.

The woman, after reportedly getting no response from the FIA, approached the PM House on June 15, 2021, with her husband against the FIA officials who, according to her, didn’t pay heed to her complaints, which as a result galvanized the premier into action.

The woman also left her job at a university due to the alleged harassment and lodged a complaint with the FIA, but to no avail. She also reportedly tried to commit suicide due to the lackadaisical attitude of the FIA officials in resolving her complaint.

Taking notice of the lingering yet unattended complaint, the prime minister has now ordered a “high-level” inquiry into the matter and asked the FIA to ensure retribution to the officials found responsible in the probe. He said negligence in responding to a complaint filed by any citizen will not be tolerated.

The premier also hinted at strict action against officials turning a blind eye to complaints filed on the citizens’ portal.

The inquiry report of the case will be submitted to the prime minister on July 20, 2021.

 

[PetroDollars]

There's not enough mullahs in Pakistan to give him enough votes to win an election. If you mean that he's appealing to the religious sentiments of Pakistanis in general then that would make more sense.

Hes appealing to both, IK has become the NS of the 90s, people forget it was NS that almost brought sharia law in the country had Musharraf not intervened, havnt learnt his mistake he moved away from the right side of politics and left a vaccum which IK went to fullfill, this is where IKs rise begins, as a far right politician. unfortunately its the biggest segment of pakistan and most importantly the army loves you and the mullahs love you. Why do you think IK has failed to deliver a single promise, because he made those promises as a left winger.

Now after failing in controlling the economy, all he can do is appease the right wing, otherwise he is out of power.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Who is he blaming then? Have you ever been to Pak? All wear a modest dress. Last week, a female corpse was dug up and sexually assaulted in Kasur. Even dead women are not safe and you are talking about modest dress.

Ive visited more areas in Pakistan and around the world, than you can imagine. So has IK, he has lived life not in a stupid bubble and more to the point he is NOT ANTI-PAK unlike his attackers.

India is far worse and so are many other countries, keep things in perspective. IK has discussed this issue many times, read his words in context. He is pointing out there are pathetic disgusting men who perve on women, esp those wearing revealing clothes or such type of clothing. This is common sense to the most uneducated of humans.

Some needs to stop their obsession with anti-IK, a great human being who has done more for women than anyone on here.

 

[saeedhk]

Ive visited more areas in Pakistan and around the world, than you can imagine. So has IK, he has lived life not in a stupid bubble and more to the point he is NOT ANTI-PAK unlike his attackers.

India is far worse and so are many other countries, keep things in perspective. IK has discussed this issue many times, read his words in context. He is pointing out there are pathetic disgusting men who perve on women, esp those wearing revealing clothes or such type of clothing. This is common sense to the most uneducated of humans.

Some needs to stop their obsession with anti-IK, a great human being who has done more for women than anyone on here.

Why is India a subject in your reply? Are their bikini-wearing women in Pakistan? He linked choice of dress with sexual violence in Pakistan. All women in Pakistan dress modestly. As he is such an incompetent leader, instead of enforcing the law and fixing the police, he is putting the onus on women for getting and not getting raped. He is a pure rape apologist.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Tuesday termed Prime Minister Imran Khan's remarks on women’s dressing “unfortunate”, a couple of days after the premier in an interview spoke about the reasons for the rising cases of sexual violence.

Talking to reporters at the Parliament House, the scion of the Bhutto dynasty said PM Imran held the post of premier of the country and that was why he should weigh every word as he spoke.

"Clothing has nothing to do with rape," he added.

“There should be a uniform law for the [sexual] abusers and the survivors.”

Bilawal further said the “trend of victim blaming” that had started in the country was a dangerous one.

“We should always support the survivor and not give any excuse to the perpetrator," he added.

“When a prime minister says such things, the message that goes across is that you are justifying the culprit for the crime they have committed and holding the survivor responsible for it.”

Also read: Survivors share what they wore after PM Imran blames women's clothing for rape

The PPP chairman further said our culture and religion taught us how to dress.

“You should compare his [PM Imran] statements before he came to power with what he is been saying now.”

He pointed out that PM Imran did not even have the courage to call out a “terrorist”.

“He is a coward from day one. He is not even ready to call [former TTP spokesman] Ehsanullah Ehsan a terrorist, the man responsible for the death of children in the Army Public School attack.”

He also referred to remarks by Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi during an interview, when he was asked to clarify whether or not he thought slain al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was a martyr.

"Osama bin Laden tried to attack then prime minister [Benazir Bhutto] in 1993 through Ramzi Yousef," he added.

"Doesn't Imran Khan know that bin Laden tried to revolt in the name of Islam in 1994?"

Bilawal said that bin Laden was the person who portrayed Islam in a negative light.

He said Islam was a peaceful religion and urged PM Imran to review his policies.

In an interview on HBO -- aired on Axios' website on Sunday – the premier had said: “If a woman is wearing very few clothes, it will have an impact on the men, unless they’re robots. I mean it is common sense.”

He was responding to a question as to whether he thought what women wore had any effect on the temptation that led to rapes.

Confused, the interviewer rephrased his question, “But is it really going to provoke acts of sexual violence?” Maintaining his stance, PM Imran proceeded to elaborate, “It depends on which society you live in."

He added that: “If in a society people haven’t seen that sort of thing, it will have an impact [on them].

Growing up in a society like yours, maybe it won’t impact you. This cultural imperialism… whatever is in our culture must be acceptable to everyone else.”

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2306672/pm-imrans-stance-on-rape-unfortunate-bilawal

 

[saeedhk]

Not is Imran Khan's offensive to women, it is also demeaning to Pakistani men because in the interview, he implied that Pakistani men are sexually-frustrated as they were no clubs and discos to vent their frustration so they get aroused by seeing skin which then leads to sexual violence. He implied that Pakistani men had no self-control and were basically like animals.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And again. Sigh. <a href="https://t.co/RFSC7543lm">https://t.co/RFSC7543lm</a></p>— Jemima Goldsmith (@Jemima_Khan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jemima_Khan/status/1407440193062330373?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Doesn’t say much for these mullah types who are enticed to sexually assault women if they’re just wearing fewer clothes.

 

[dildilpak]

Not is Imran Khan's offensive to women, it is also demeaning to Pakistani men because in the interview, he implied that Pakistani men are sexually-frustrated as they were no clubs and discos to vent their frustration so they get aroused by seeing skin which then leads to sexual violence. He implied that Pakistani men had no self-control and were basically like animals.

Completely agree with you here.

So to sum up IK, men have all rights in the world to be men, but women have to cover up else bear the brunt (du-uh ‘coz there are no nightclubs & discos in Pakistan)! And obviously it is an easier solution to tell women & girls of all ages to cover up from head to toe than to ask grown men to zip it up or build those darned discos. Easy peasy!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not is Imran Khan's offensive to women, it is also demeaning to Pakistani men because in the interview, he implied that Pakistani men are sexually-frustrated as they were no clubs and discos to vent their frustration so they get aroused by seeing skin which then leads to sexual violence. He implied that Pakistani men had no self-control and were basically like animals.

Or as he implies in his interview, the mindset in the subcontinent is women who dress sexily are inviting sex. Not nice to hear, but it's reality and until while that mindset is still prevalent, he's suggesting a solution. If you note in the interview he specifically says to the western interviewer that mindset might not be prevalent in western countries, but in Pakistan it is.

Just because we live in the west, we can't presume people everywhere else in the world are on the same page in history that we are.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Completely agree with you here.

So to sum up IK, men have all rights in the world to be men, but women have to cover up else bear the brunt (du-uh ‘coz there are no nightclubs & discos in Pakistan)! And obviously it is an easier solution to tell women & girls of all ages to cover up from head to toe than to ask grown men to zip it up or build those darned discos. Easy peasy!

Why even that? I think a girl should bury alive herself since shes gonna be suffocated in clothes for the rest of her life anyways

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Or as he implies in his interview, the mindset in the subcontinent is women who dress sexily are inviting sex. Not nice to hear, but it's reality and until while that mindset is still prevalent, he's suggesting a solution. If you note in the interview he specifically says to the western interviewer that mindset might not be prevalent in western countries, but in Pakistan it is.

Just because we live in the west, we can't presume people everywhere else in the world are on the same page in history that we are.

Shame on you. You are living in England where you see women being independent and open whereas in Pakistan you want women to be confined at their homes. Just because Pakistan is not as progressive as the other countries, it does not mean we have to go back to 7th century and enough of this ** that Pakistan was always like this, it has all started in 80s after Zia ul Haq, before that women were independent and did not have any kind of restrictions on what they wanted to wear.

 

[IMMY69]

Or as he implies in his interview, the mindset in the subcontinent is women who dress sexily are inviting sex. Not nice to hear, but it's reality and until while that mindset is still prevalent, he's suggesting a solution. If you note in the interview he specifically says to the western interviewer that mindset might not be prevalent in western countries, but in Pakistan it is.

Just because we live in the west, we can't presume people everywhere else in the world are on the same page in history that we are.

People will conveniently ignore your post...

 

[dildilpak]

Or as he implies in his interview, the mindset in the subcontinent is women who dress sexily are inviting sex. Not nice to hear, but it's reality and until while that mindset is still prevalent, he's suggesting a solution. If you note in the interview he specifically says to the western interviewer that mindset might not be prevalent in western countries, but in Pakistan it is.

Just because we live in the west, we can't presume people everywhere else in the world are on the same page in history that we are.

And what is anybody doing to change that sexist feudal mindset? Or are women doomed to be considered as walking sexual billboards & to be buried under these societal rules forever while the men with no self-control roam around free?

And what about those women who are harassed even if they are fully clothed, kids & elderly who are molested?

One thing i can agree with IK - this problem will never go away till you keep on segregating the sexes, but then what is he or anybody doing about it?

 

[Itachi]

since the culprit can not be stopped, let's start restricting the possible victims.

IK bhakts have gone delusion. They show similar symptoms of what they accuse others of.

Next is what, kill the girl baby because she may perhaps face rape in future?

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

since the culprit can not be stopped, let's start restricting the possible victims.

IK bhakts have gone delusion. They show similar symptoms of what they accuse others of.

Next is what, kill the girl baby because she may perhaps face rape in future?

IK bhakts are worse than modi bhakts tbh. More of it has to do with the fact that Modi doesn't ** as much as IK so the bhakts dont have to go defending them all day but here IK releases his gems every other day so they don't have any choice but to defend him.

 

[saeedhk]

To avoid rape, stay indoors.

To avoid robbery, own nothing.

To avoid murder, die now.

 

[Ryw]

Not is Imran Khan's offensive to women, it is also demeaning to Pakistani men because in the interview, he implied that Pakistani men are sexually-frustrated as they were no clubs and discos to vent their frustration so they get aroused by seeing skin which then leads to sexual violence. He implied that Pakistani men had no self-control and were basically like animals.

He didn't said such thing, its your inner vile unecceary hate coming out towards Pakistani men

 

[saeedhk]

He didn't said such thing, its your inner vile unecceary hate coming out towards Pakistani men

He implies it. Listen to the interview. He specifically mentioned lack of discos and clubs.

If men do vile acts, they deserve vile hate.

 

[saeedhk]

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Shame on you. You are living in England where you see women being independent and open whereas in Pakistan you want women to be confined at their homes. Just because Pakistan is not as progressive as the other countries, it does not mean we have to go back to 7th century and enough of this ** that Pakistan was always like this, it has all started in 80s after Zia ul Haq, before that women were independent and did not have any kind of restrictions on what they wanted to wear.

Where did I say it was what I wanted? Can you bold it please so I can make sure I have not misread your post?

Neither did I imply Pakistan was always like this and use it as an excuse. I was quite clear that I was addressing the reality of current day Pakistan which is also what IK has to deal with. If you think Pakistan is somehow different from this reality then you can put your case.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And what is anybody doing to change that sexist feudal mindset? Or are women doomed to be considered as walking sexual billboards & to be buried under these societal rules forever while the men with no self-control roam around free?

And what about those women who are harassed even if they are fully clothed, kids & elderly who are molested?

One thing i can agree with IK - this problem will never go away till you keep on segregating the sexes, but then what is he or anybody doing about it?

What is it you want done about it? Fashion is already changing in Pakistan, just like it does in most other societies. You will see girls in jeans in the big cities, who knows you might see them in the smaller towns and villages before long as well. With Youtube and social media everyone is exposed to the same ideas and fashion sense. Pakistan isn't North Korea where the internet is banned.

By the same token, you have to realise that the eastern countries aren't necessarily going to reflect your western mindset, they might not adopt every value that you are used to, some they will some they won't. It's not our duty to tell people what to think, it's up to the people of Pakistan to decide what their values should be.

 

[dildilpak]

What is it you want done about it? Fashion is already changing in Pakistan, just like it does in most other societies. You will see girls in jeans in the big cities, who knows you might see them in the smaller towns and villages before long as well. With Youtube and social media everyone is exposed to the same ideas and fashion sense. Pakistan isn't North Korea where the internet is banned.

By the same token, you have to realise that the eastern countries aren't necessarily going to reflect your western mindset, they might not adopt every value that you are used to, some they will some they won't. It's not our duty to tell people what to think, it's up to the people of Pakistan to decide what their values should be.

The answer is simple - putting emphasis on scientific, formal education not the islamic one. Political will to take on the offenders (including religious ones) & making examples out of them. Instead of telling women how to dress, teach men how to behave around women. Giving women more say in workplace/financial matters in rural areas. Tone from the top definitely matters.

 

[Itachi]

just a question.

What was woman's position before zia ul haq reign?

IK is stating that current society can not adopt to wear women wearing short clothes. But how was it before 1970s?

Afghanistan was definitely different.

How was Pakistan?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The answer is simple - putting emphasis on scientific, formal education not the islamic one. Political will to take on the offenders (including religious ones) & making examples out of them. Instead of telling women how to dress, teach men how to behave around women. Giving women more say in workplace/financial matters in rural areas. Tone from the top definitely matters.

All of those are good initiatives, I would suggest some of them at least could be put forward as in line with religious values to appeal to the general public. Unfortunately these important issues get hijacked and quotes get pounced on for political point scoring rather than to see any genuine uplift of society.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

just a question.

What was woman's position before zia ul haq reign?

IK is stating that current society can not adopt to wear women wearing short clothes. But how was it before 1970s?

Afghanistan was definitely different.

How was Pakistan?

It was really good. Pakistan was progressive, my grandmother used to be in co-education college mingling with guys and had a love marriage with my grandfather. It was certainly better than what it is right now, pretty much like Iran and Afghanistan before Islamists came in

 

[Itachi]

It was really good. Pakistan was progressive, my grandmother used to be in co-education college mingling with guys and had a love marriage with my grandfather. It was certainly better than what it is right now, pretty much like Iran and Afghanistan before Islamists came in

That's what I also get when I read about it.

If society did accept those in older times, it certainly can in current time also.

When I look at older pictures of Pakistan and Afghanistan, I see a more liberal environment where one has more authority regarding his or her actions. And since Pakistani people are generally good looking (I tend to not to admit but honestly in my eyes, Pakistani girls are really pretty, the make up actually lessens their natural beauty), photos were remarkable. The styles, clothes do catch eyes.

 

[MenInG]

KARACHI: The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) and other civil society groups want Prime Minister Imran Khan to publically apologise for his comments linking a woman's way of dressing to the incidence of sexual violence in Pakistan.

They plan to hold protests for this in Karachi. Senior members of the HRCP, Aurat March, Tehreek-e-Niswan, the Women's Action Forum and other civil society groups will address a joint press conference today (Thursday) at the Karachi Press Club, The News reported.

Civil society and women's rights groups and individuals will organise a protest on Saturday, June 26.

Read more: PTI leaders jump to PM Imran Khan's defence after his comments linking temptation to women's dressing

A day earlier, a large number of civil society and women's rights activists attended a protest that demanded PM Khan tender an apology for his "anti-women" remarks in which he links a woman's dressing with a man's temptation.

Home-based Women Workers Federation (HBWWF) organised the protest outside KPC. Rights activists Karamat Ali, Qazi Khizer, Zehra Khan, Nasir Mansoor, Fahim Siddiqi, Saeed Baloch and others spoke to the protestors.

The speakers said that the anti-women remarks of the prime minister show his reactionary mindset.

GEO

 

[saeedhk]

Khan said that Pakistani men cannot control themselves if they see skin which means that Pakistan men should be banned from going to Europe, Asia, Canada, the US, the UAE and Australia because women there dress scantily.

 

[IMMY69]

From experience, when you arrive in Pakistan and come out of the terminal building at the airport, a lot of the men stare at the women with piercing eyes. All MST undressing them with their eyes.

This also happens when women do simple things like go to the shops.

I don't see how anyone here can deny this???

It's disgusting and probably from a lack of education, living in high poverty and having a closeted upbringing.

 

[Ryw]

From experience, when you arrive in Pakistan and come out of the terminal building at the airport, a lot of the men stare at the women with piercing eyes. All MST undressing them with their eyes.

This also happens when women do simple things like go to the shops.

I don't see how anyone here can deny this???

It's disgusting and probably from a lack of education, living in high poverty and having a closeted upbringing.

Not only Pakistan, its a worldwide problem even in 1st world countries why point out Pakistan

 

[Itachi]

From experience, when you arrive in Pakistan and come out of the terminal building at the airport, a lot of the men stare at the women with piercing eyes. All MST undressing them with their eyes.

This also happens when women do simple things like go to the shops.

I don't see how anyone here can deny this???

It's disgusting and probably from a lack of education, living in high poverty and having a closeted upbringing.

who is denying it?

 

[IMMY69]

Not only Pakistan, its a worldwide problem even in 1st world countries why point out Pakistan

Thankfully I'm fortunate to have travelled a bit and from my experiences nothing compares to what I've scene in Pakistan. It's next level ogling

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Thankfully I'm fortunate to have travelled a bit and from my experiences nothing compares to what I've scene in Pakistan. It's next level ogling

Not sure it's as bad as it was. Pakistanis used to stare quite blatantly at any outsider, remember when I was a kid going to a village for the first time they would literally stop in their tracks and gawp slack-jawed at the valaydi caravan coming in. I don't think they were being rude, they just didn't understand it as bad manners.

My feeling is with cities seeing a lot more travellers coming and going, the staring has died off a bit compared to what it used to be like.

 

[RexRex]

Khan said that Pakistani men cannot control themselves if they see skin which means that Pakistan men should be banned from going to Europe, Asia, Canada, the US, the UAE and Australia because women there dress scantily.

A better interviewer wolld have immediately pushed back and criticised Imran. If they can't control themselves, then logically Pakistani male immigration to the west should be banned.

Also, how did Imran control himself when he first went to Europe in the 1970s ? There are skeletons in his closet no doubt.

 

[Itachi]

Thankfully I'm fortunate to have travelled a bit and from my experiences nothing compares to what I've scene in Pakistan. It's next level ogling

.... in order to prevent weakness of men, it will be women who should be responsible?

 

[IMMY69]

.... in order to prevent weakness of men, it will be women who should be responsible?

Excuse me?

Where did I say that?

 

[Itachi]

Excuse me?

Where did I say that?

Where did I say you said it?

I am asking based upon your logic.

 

[IMMY69]

Where did I say you said it?

I am asking based upon your logic.

A decade or more of prosperity, more education and less Islamisation

 

[Itachi]

A decade or more of prosperity, more education and less Islamisation

That doesn't answer my question.

read the question again.

 

[IMMY69]

That doesn't answer my question.

read the question again.

Please repeat your question

 

[Extra_Cover]

This interview is getting a lot of flak for non-sensical reasons. Imran is at the helm and is responsible for curbing sex related crimes. His views on the matter is pretty clear but somehow he is branded differently.

I'm just happy that PM of my country has the guts to talk openly on a taboo topic and bring forward his views nonchalantly.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A better interviewer wolld have immediately pushed back and criticised Imran. If they can't control themselves, then logically Pakistani male immigration to the west should be banned.

Also, how did Imran control himself when he first went to Europe in the 1970s ? There are skeletons in his closet no doubt.

This has been comprehensively answered. It is nonsense.

 

[PetroDollars]

A decade or more of prosperity, more education and less Islamisation

unfortunatly, with IK in power the opposite is happening, with the SNC, theres less of education and more islamisation.

Education has crumbled under him, he was the guy that cursed dr. atta ur rahman and ended up appointing him as education minister, probably the most corrupt man in pakistan that runs fake degree and publication mills just like axact with benthal publishers, from what any man can get fake degrees and scholary publications and get appointed as a professor in any leading institute of the country.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

the point was, IK is not making any sense at all by blaming women in films and on the media, which produce hungry men, men have always been like this, before the first film was ever made, its why men in islam have 4 wives and men in ancient times had 100s and 1000s of concubines, who do you blame for that? there was no IG models and influencers or angelina jolie or katrina kaif in those eras, but it didnt change how men view women.

IK is just looking for excuses, what he actully intends to do is point score and get in the good books of the mullahs and go into the next election as a far right winger.

Its not mullahs who he is trying to appeal too. Its the mainstream Pakistani population. He is saying exactly what the majority of Pakistanis think.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Khan said that Pakistani men cannot control themselves if they see skin which means that Pakistan men should be banned from going to Europe, Asia, Canada, the US, the UAE and Australia because women there dress scantily.

A better interviewer wolld have immediately pushed back and criticised Imran. If they can't control themselves, then logically Pakistani male immigration to the west should be banned.

Also, how did Imran control himself when he first went to Europe in the 1970s ? There are skeletons in his closet no doubt.

He said some men. Not all. Nor did he say this behavior was restricted to Pakistan.

 

[saeedhk]

He said some men. Not all. Nor did he say this behavior was restricted to Pakistan.

He said that is was a total different way of life in Pakistan compared to Europe. He further said Pakistan didn't have any bars or discos so when men see skin, they lose their senses.

 

[MenInG]

There has been a widespread debate over PM Imran Khan's comments on rape and women's clothing. The premier received ample support and criticism for his take on the rise in rape cases in the country. While many, among celebs, shared their reservations about the PM's stance on the matter, some went on to justify his remarks with rather bizarre analogies.

Recently, a clip of a local news reporter went viral on Twitter where he compared women to candy. Yes, candy. Holding a toffee in his hand, the reporter shared, "This toffee is covered. It's wrapped. If I unwrap this candy right here, it's now uncovered. This other toffee, however, is 'covered.' Now, you tell me honestly, if I leave this unwrapped toffee on the road, would anyone eat this toffee? No one would eat it."

Back in January, a tweet blew up on the bird app after a user compared women who take hijab and the ones who didn't to peeled/unpeeled oranges. A user shared how women who cover up would 'not drown' while the ones who didn't take hijab would. In the aforementioned rather bizarre analogy, the user's take got the Twitterati talking.

Express Tribune

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I pray for the safety of women that interact with this man on a daily basis <a href="https://t.co/MsiG53W2gl">pic.twitter.com/MsiG53W2gl</a></p>— Anaya Khan (@AnayaNKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnayaNKhan/status/1407741817056026627?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[saeedhk]

There has been a widespread debate over PM Imran Khan's comments on rape and women's clothing. The premier received ample support and criticism for his take on the rise in rape cases in the country. While many, among celebs, shared their reservations about the PM's stance on the matter, some went on to justify his remarks with rather bizarre analogies.

Recently, a clip of a local news reporter went viral on Twitter where he compared women to candy. Yes, candy. Holding a toffee in his hand, the reporter shared, "This toffee is covered. It's wrapped. If I unwrap this candy right here, it's now uncovered. This other toffee, however, is 'covered.' Now, you tell me honestly, if I leave this unwrapped toffee on the road, would anyone eat this toffee? No one would eat it."

Back in January, a tweet blew up on the bird app after a user compared women who take hijab and the ones who didn't to peeled/unpeeled oranges. A user shared how women who cover up would 'not drown' while the ones who didn't take hijab would. In the aforementioned rather bizarre analogy, the user's take got the Twitterati talking.

Express Tribune

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I pray for the safety of women that interact with this man on a daily basis <a href="https://t.co/MsiG53W2gl">pic.twitter.com/MsiG53W2gl</a></p>— Anaya Khan (@AnayaNKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnayaNKhan/status/1407741817056026627?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He called all Pakistani men and himself insects and viruses. What a clown!

 

[saeedhk]

 

[PetroDollars]

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think that meme shows exactly what we are dealing with in the subcontinent. Educated desis are usually among the most decent people anywhere in the world, but the vast majority are poor and ignorant. This is the mindset you are dealing with. It's just dumb to think that a girl sauntering down the back alleys of Dehli or Karachi in a mini skirt would be met with the same indifference as if she was strolling in Chelsea.

 

[street cricketer]

I think that meme shows exactly what we are dealing with in the subcontinent. Educated desis are usually among the most decent people anywhere in the world, but the vast majority are poor and ignorant. This is the mindset you are dealing with. It's just dumb to think that a girl sauntering down the back alleys of Dehli or Karachi in a mini skirt would be met with the same indifference as if she was strolling in Chelsea.

How often would you find a girl sauntering down the alleys of Karachi in a mini skirt though?

 

[saeedhk]

The same Pakistani men who go to Jumeirah Beach dare not even touch a half-naked woman because they know it will land them in deep trouble. It is all about having a strong law and order.

 

[umerz]

IK said the right thing but it's being portrayed negatively and that's what is wrong with this nation. We go so beyond in criticizing that we don't even actually realize what we are opposing. He did not talk about rape or was justifying actions of rapists. He just mentioned about the natural tendency to get attracted by the opposite gender. It is something which is created by Allah.
Embarrassed to see how people are striving to change the context of what he said. Reference from Quran Surah al Ahzab 33:59. Now if someone doesn’t follow the religion it is their choice but don’t misguide people about what is right and what is wrong. Rapists should also be punished in the light of Quran and Sunnah. May Allah guide and protect us all. Ameen

 

[Itachi]

IK said the right thing but it's being portrayed negatively and that's what is wrong with this nation. We go so beyond in criticizing that we don't even actually realize what we are opposing. He did not talk about rape or was justifying actions of rapists. He just mentioned about the natural tendency to get attracted by the opposite gender. It is something which is created by Allah.
Embarrassed to see how people are striving to change the context of what he said. Reference from Quran Surah al Ahzab 33:59. Now if someone doesn’t follow the religion it is their choice but don’t misguide people about what is right and what is wrong. Rapists should also be punished in the light of Quran and Sunnah. May Allah guide and protect us all. Ameen

So.... for Muslims, what IK stated was right since it is in Quran and he is following Quran surah.

For us non muslims, it is wrong because we don't follow Quran and also at the same time, the common sense tells us it is wrong.

Question to fellow Muslims, do you agree to above that IK was applying the above mentioned surah while he was stating those words?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How often would you find a girl sauntering down the alleys of Karachi in a mini skirt though?

Well this is the issue, we are talking about two very different cultures, otherwise why would you even ask that? In the subcontinent men aren't used to seeing sexual fashion and they won't handle it like we do in the west. To get an understanding we have to go back to Victorian times in England when women were expected to wear long skirts so as not to expose even an ankle. Bring an Englishman to the current time from the 1800's and he would probably say Imran Khan is completely right.

 

[street cricketer]

Well this is the issue, we are talking about two very different cultures, otherwise why would you even ask that? In the subcontinent men aren't used to seeing sexual fashion and they won't handle it like we do in the west. To get an understanding we have to go back to Victorian times in England when women were expected to wear long skirts so as not to expose even an ankle. Bring an Englishman to the current time from the 1800's and he would probably say Imran Khan is completely right.

Well that's kinda my point. We are talking about two different cultures here. Wearing short skirts is not in the culture of desi women anywhere in the subcontinent, never mind muslim women who tend to be a bit more conservative in clothing on average.

So what was the point of talking about women wearing too few clothes when women in Pakistan (and the subcontinent in general) wear very modest clothing and yet get raped. What was the need to even bring the clothing style of women when talking about rapes in the country when almost every female wears very modest clothing on the streets is what Imran's detractors are saying and they have a good point. I have no axe to grind against Imran and still think he is probably the best leader among all other options for Pakistan, but this was not one of Imran's best statements, let's be honest here.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well that's kinda my point. We are talking about two different cultures here. Wearing short skirts is not in the culture of desi women anywhere in the subcontinent, never mind muslim women who tend to be a bit more conservative in clothing on average.

So what was the point of talking about women wearing too few clothes when women in Pakistan (and the subcontinent in general) wear very modest clothing and yet get raped. What was the need to even bring the clothing style of women when talking about rapes in the country when almost every female wears very modest clothing on the streets is what Imran's detractors are saying and they have a good point. I have no axe to grind against Imran and still think he is probably the best leader among all other options for Pakistan, but this was not one of Imran's best statements, let's be honest here.

Actually fashion has changed how women dress even in Muslim countries, you will quite often see girls wearing figure hugging jeans and tops in Pakistan, just as you will see girls wearing short skirts in India I am sure, assuming Bollywood films aren't complete fantasy.

I am assuming this was IK's point in talking about inappropriate dress ( in Pakistan), don't really see why else he would say it. I actually had to go check the OP just to check what it was he said exactly.

 

[street cricketer]

Actually fashion has changed how women dress even in Muslim countries, you will quite often see girls wearing figure hugging jeans and tops in Pakistan, just as you will see girls wearing short skirts in India I am sure, assuming Bollywood films aren't complete fantasy.

I am assuming this was IK's point in talking about inappropriate dress ( in Pakistan), don't really see why else he would say it. I actually had to go check the OP just to check what it was he said exactly.

Figure hugging jeans and tops are pretty common in India. But I'm not sure about short skirts. Depends on the region I guess. From where I come, women tend to be conservative in dressing and knee length skirts are not common, never mind short skirts. Older women tend to wear sarees and younger women churidhar/salwar kameez.

I think even for muslim countries, it depends on which country you're talking about. Countries like Turkey and Lebanon might be a bit more liberal with dressing and while I have not personally visited Pakistan, I do expect dressing to be largely on the conservative side like most parts of India barring the cosmopolitan cities like Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, etc. So I don't see why you have to pinpoint the dressing of females as a leader talking about the issue would only lead to more moral policing of women by men rather than changing the sexist attitudes of men, which is the more pressing issue in the subcontinent.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Figure hugging jeans and tops are pretty common in India. But I'm not sure about short skirts. Depends on the region I guess. From where I come, women tend to be conservative in dressing and knee length skirts are not common, never mind short skirts. Older women tend to wear sarees and younger women churidhar/salwar kameez.

I think even for muslim countries, it depends on which country you're talking about. Countries like Turkey and Lebanon might be a bit more liberal with dressing and while I have not personally visited Pakistan, I do expect dressing to be largely on the conservative side like most parts of India barring the cosmopolitan cities like Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, etc. So I don't see why you have to pinpoint the dressing of females as a leader talking about the issue would only lead to more moral policing of women by men rather than changing the sexist attitudes of men, which is the more pressing issue in the subcontinent.

Sexism as a concept isn't really understood by most people in Pakistan, there are just men and women, and they tend to have pretty defined roles over there. But rape surely is recognised as a heinous crime, if anything it is viewed with even more horror than in western countries, and I think here lies another problem. Victims are often too ashamed to speak about it for fear of being scarred for life.

I think the way forward has to be to emphasise the crime and punish the perpetrator, and in that regard Imran's quote is not helpful. But what was the context? We know IK has also called for chemical castration of rapists, so it's not as if he is pretending the crime should be overlooked. This is where the political point scoring should be given a rest and safety and respect of women should be put first.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Shame on you. You are living in England where you see women being independent and open whereas in Pakistan you want women to be confined at their homes. Just because Pakistan is not as progressive as the other countries, it does not mean we have to go back to 7th century and enough of this ** that Pakistan was always like this, it has all started in 80s after Zia ul Haq, before that women were independent and did not have any kind of restrictions on what they wanted to wear.

What Pakistan are you talking about? Women wear more liberal clothing today then they did in 60's and 70's. Women are more independent today then they were in the 60's and 70's. Their are much higher rates of women who are working today then their were ever in the 60's and 70's.

You sound like either someone who was born and bred abroad and has visited Pakistan only a few times. Or you are a burger, who has no knowledge about the country outside of your posh area.

It was really good. Pakistan was progressive, my grandmother used to be in co-education college mingling with guys and had a love marriage with my grandfather. It was certainly better than what it is right now, pretty much like Iran and Afghanistan before Islamists came in

If you think Pakistan was progressive because their used to be co education, and people had love marriages. Then guess what that still happens today. In fact that happens more today then it did pre Zia.

 

[MenInG]

Imran Khan speaking to PBS

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Judy Woodruff:

Last thing.

I do want to ask you, just take just a moment to ask you about a comment you made about the role of women in your country. You said in an interview last month that women themselves bear a large part of the responsibility for the concerning rise in the number of rape cases in Pakistan.

I want to ask you if you truly believe that. I mean, you're someone, you have lived in the West. You have traveled widely around the world. Do you believe women bear a large part of the responsibility for this?

Imran Khan:

Look, Judy, anyone who commits rape, solely and solely, that person is responsible. So let's be clear about that.

No matter whatever — how much ever a woman is provocative or whatever she wears, the person who commits rape, he is fully responsible. Never is the victim responsible.

My comments were completely taken out of context. They were simply talking about Pakistan society, where we are having a rise, a sharp rise in sex crimes. And sex crime does not include just women. More than rape are child abuse, which is going through the roof.

So my comments were in that context. And it was — I used the word purdah. In Islam, purdah does not mean just clothes. And purdah is not restricted to women only, but that is for men as well. It means bringing the temptation down in a society.

This is what I was talking about. And it was taken out of — deliberately. And I have to say, because I know all the interviews I have given. Never would I say such a stupid thing where a person who's raped is responsible for somehow — it's always the rapist that is responsible.

Judy Woodruff:

Do you believe that — that the importance in your country of Islam complicates your ability to do something, to take a stronger stand against violence against women?

Imran Khan:

Absolutely not.

Islam gives dignity, respect to women. In fact, let me say, having traveled all over the world, I find that, in Muslim countries, in Pakistan, even in other Muslim countries I have seen, women having — far more treated with respect and given more dignity.

You have odd cases everywhere in the world, but you look at the situation in Pakistan even now, I mean, look at the rape cases here. Compare it to Western countries. They are minuscule compared to them.

Yes, we have our issues. We have some cultural problems. Every nation has that. But that comes with cultural evolution, with education. But, as far as a woman's dignity goes, respect, I can say, after going all over the world, this society gives more respect and dignity to women.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u...istan-says-pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan

 

[street cricketer]

Imran Khan speaking to PBS

==



Judy Woodruff:

Last thing.

I do want to ask you, just take just a moment to ask you about a comment you made about the role of women in your country. You said in an interview last month that women themselves bear a large part of the responsibility for the concerning rise in the number of rape cases in Pakistan.

I want to ask you if you truly believe that. I mean, you're someone, you have lived in the West. You have traveled widely around the world. Do you believe women bear a large part of the responsibility for this?

Imran Khan:

Look, Judy, anyone who commits rape, solely and solely, that person is responsible. So let's be clear about that.

No matter whatever — how much ever a woman is provocative or whatever she wears, the person who commits rape, he is fully responsible. Never is the victim responsible.

My comments were completely taken out of context. They were simply talking about Pakistan society, where we are having a rise, a sharp rise in sex crimes. And sex crime does not include just women. More than rape are child abuse, which is going through the roof.

So my comments were in that context. And it was — I used the word purdah. In Islam, purdah does not mean just clothes. And purdah is not restricted to women only, but that is for men as well. It means bringing the temptation down in a society.

This is what I was talking about. And it was taken out of — deliberately. And I have to say, because I know all the interviews I have given. Never would I say such a stupid thing where a person who's raped is responsible for somehow — it's always the rapist that is responsible.

Judy Woodruff:

Do you believe that — that the importance in your country of Islam complicates your ability to do something, to take a stronger stand against violence against women?

Imran Khan:

Absolutely not.

Islam gives dignity, respect to women. In fact, let me say, having traveled all over the world, I find that, in Muslim countries, in Pakistan, even in other Muslim countries I have seen, women having — far more treated with respect and given more dignity.

You have odd cases everywhere in the world, but you look at the situation in Pakistan even now, I mean, look at the rape cases here. Compare it to Western countries. They are minuscule compared to them.

Yes, we have our issues. We have some cultural problems. Every nation has that. But that comes with cultural evolution, with education. But, as far as a woman's dignity goes, respect, I can say, after going all over the world, this society gives more respect and dignity to women.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u...istan-says-pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan

The first step towards solving an existing problem is to acknowledge first that a problem exists.

Until then, we'll never be able to defeat the problem of crimes against women in our part of the world.

 

[saeedhk]

Imran Khan speaking to PBS

==



Judy Woodruff:

Last thing.

I do want to ask you, just take just a moment to ask you about a comment you made about the role of women in your country. You said in an interview last month that women themselves bear a large part of the responsibility for the concerning rise in the number of rape cases in Pakistan.

I want to ask you if you truly believe that. I mean, you're someone, you have lived in the West. You have traveled widely around the world. Do you believe women bear a large part of the responsibility for this?

Imran Khan:

Look, Judy, anyone who commits rape, solely and solely, that person is responsible. So let's be clear about that.

No matter whatever — how much ever a woman is provocative or whatever she wears, the person who commits rape, he is fully responsible. Never is the victim responsible.

My comments were completely taken out of context. They were simply talking about Pakistan society, where we are having a rise, a sharp rise in sex crimes. And sex crime does not include just women. More than rape are child abuse, which is going through the roof.

So my comments were in that context. And it was — I used the word purdah. In Islam, purdah does not mean just clothes. And purdah is not restricted to women only, but that is for men as well. It means bringing the temptation down in a society.

This is what I was talking about. And it was taken out of — deliberately. And I have to say, because I know all the interviews I have given. Never would I say such a stupid thing where a person who's raped is responsible for somehow — it's always the rapist that is responsible.

Judy Woodruff:

Do you believe that — that the importance in your country of Islam complicates your ability to do something, to take a stronger stand against violence against women?

Imran Khan:

Absolutely not.

Islam gives dignity, respect to women. In fact, let me say, having traveled all over the world, I find that, in Muslim countries, in Pakistan, even in other Muslim countries I have seen, women having — far more treated with respect and given more dignity.

You have odd cases everywhere in the world, but you look at the situation in Pakistan even now, I mean, look at the rape cases here. Compare it to Western countries. They are minuscule compared to them.

Yes, we have our issues. We have some cultural problems. Every nation has that. But that comes with cultural evolution, with education. But, as far as a woman's dignity goes, respect, I can say, after going all over the world, this society gives more respect and dignity to women.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u...istan-says-pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan

Imran backtracked on his earlier victim-blaming comments but made another gaffe by saying women in Pakistan are treated better than in other places. This man should keep quiet! A delusional leader with zero understanding of issues. Whenever this man opens his mouth, he makes a horrible mess!

 

[Mamoon]

Imran before:

“This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation, not everyone has the willpower to avoid it”

Imran now:

“No matter whatever — how much ever a woman is provocative or whatever she wears, the person who commits rape, he is fully responsible. Never is the victim responsible.”

He cannot speak for 5 minutes with contradicting himself and people think that an unstable, confused and unintelligent man like him is fit to be the PM.

No wonder he taken Pakistan to the dumps. He has destroyed the social fabric of the country in addition to destroying each and every institution.

His disastrous tenure as PM has taken its toll on his mental health. He is no longer in his senses and needs to be put out of his misery in 2023.

 

[IMMY69]

Imran before:

“This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation, not everyone has the willpower to avoid it”

Imran now:

“No matter whatever — how much ever a woman is provocative or whatever she wears, the person who commits rape, he is fully responsible. Never is the victim responsible.”

He cannot speak for 5 minutes with contradicting himself and people think that an unstable, confused and unintelligent man like him is fit to be the PM.

No wonder he taken Pakistan to the dumps. He has destroyed the social fabric of the country in addition to destroying each and every institution.

His disastrous tenure as PM has taken its toll on his mental health. He is no longer in his senses and needs to be put out of his misery in 2023.

Your posts give me great pleasure because they show that IK is clearly doing something right!

Please continue

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The first step towards solving an existing problem is to acknowledge first that a problem exists.

Until then, we'll never be able to defeat the problem of crimes against women in our part of the world.

He is acknowledging that the problem exists, he is just looking at ways of addressing it from the cultural viewpoint of Pakistanis rather than western view. We have to accept that in Pakistan, the majority of people don't understand western ideas about feminism, LGBQT rights etc, but they should understand that rape or sexual assault is wrong. He has also emphasised in that interview that the perpetrator is to blame not the victim.

 

[OMB]

Imran Khan speaking to PBS

==



Judy Woodruff:

Last thing.

I do want to ask you, just take just a moment to ask you about a comment you made about the role of women in your country. You said in an interview last month that women themselves bear a large part of the responsibility for the concerning rise in the number of rape cases in Pakistan.

I want to ask you if you truly believe that. I mean, you're someone, you have lived in the West. You have traveled widely around the world. Do you believe women bear a large part of the responsibility for this?

Imran Khan:

Look, Judy, anyone who commits rape, solely and solely, that person is responsible. So let's be clear about that.

No matter whatever — how much ever a woman is provocative or whatever she wears, the person who commits rape, he is fully responsible. Never is the victim responsible.

My comments were completely taken out of context. They were simply talking about Pakistan society, where we are having a rise, a sharp rise in sex crimes. And sex crime does not include just women. More than rape are child abuse, which is going through the roof.

So my comments were in that context. And it was — I used the word purdah. In Islam, purdah does not mean just clothes. And purdah is not restricted to women only, but that is for men as well. It means bringing the temptation down in a society.

This is what I was talking about. And it was taken out of — deliberately. And I have to say, because I know all the interviews I have given. Never would I say such a stupid thing where a person who's raped is responsible for somehow — it's always the rapist that is responsible.

Judy Woodruff:

Do you believe that — that the importance in your country of Islam complicates your ability to do something, to take a stronger stand against violence against women?

Imran Khan:

Absolutely not.

Islam gives dignity, respect to women. In fact, let me say, having traveled all over the world, I find that, in Muslim countries, in Pakistan, even in other Muslim countries I have seen, women having — far more treated with respect and given more dignity.

You have odd cases everywhere in the world, but you look at the situation in Pakistan even now, I mean, look at the rape cases here. Compare it to Western countries. They are minuscule compared to them.

Yes, we have our issues. We have some cultural problems. Every nation has that. But that comes with cultural evolution, with education. But, as far as a woman's dignity goes, respect, I can say, after going all over the world, this society gives more respect and dignity to women.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u...istan-says-pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan

What do the stats say?
Do we really have less rapes (reported ) than say what USA has?

 

[street cricketer]

He is acknowledging that the problem exists, he is just looking at ways of addressing it from the cultural viewpoint of Pakistanis rather than western view. We have to accept that in Pakistan, the majority of people don't understand western ideas about feminism, LGBQT rights etc, but they should understand that rape or sexual assault is wrong. He has also emphasised in that interview that the perpetrator is to blame not the victim.

No, I think he generally speaks very sensibly but I think he also has conservative views in certain areas (he is afterall a product of the society he grew up in) like amending the blasphemy law and crimes against females in our society.

This is what he said:

Islam gives dignity, respect to women. In fact, let me say, having traveled all over the world, I find that, in Muslim countries, in Pakistan, even in other Muslim countries I have seen, women having — far more treated with respect and given more dignity.

You have odd cases everywhere in the world, but you look at the situation in Pakistan even now, I mean, look at the rape cases here. Compare it to Western countries. They are minuscule compared to them.

Now, it is very hard to measure what 'dignity' means but one can say it means respect and empowerment. And I think the females in western world are way more empowered than the females of the subcontinent.

He further goes on to justify his point by saying that western world has way more rape cases compared to Pakistan. This is not a new point and something politicians in India have also used to defend against criticism of women safety in India. That argument ignores the fact that women in the western society are way more empowered and therefore more prone to report rape cases than the females in our part of the world, where things like "honour" and "respect" make the families and even the women not report the crimes done against them. Besides, what constitutes "rape" is different in countries like India and Pakistan and say the UK or Sweden. If we believe women in the subcontinent are more safe than women in the western world based on rape statistics, then I'm afraid we are not going to solve the problem as that requires to first acknowledge there is an issue.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No, I think he generally speaks very sensibly but I think he also has conservative views in certain areas (he is afterall a product of the society he grew up in) like amending the blasphemy law and crimes against females in our society.

This is what he said:



Now, it is very hard to measure what 'dignity' means but one can say it means respect and empowerment. And I think the females in western world are way more empowered than the females of the subcontinent.

He further goes on to justify his point by saying that western world has way more rape cases compared to Pakistan. This is not a new point and something politicians in India have also used to defend against criticism of women safety in India. That argument ignores the fact that women in the western society are way more empowered and therefore more prone to report rape cases than the females in our part of the world, where things like "honour" and "respect" make the families and even the women not report the crimes done against them. Besides, what constitutes "rape" is different in countries like India and Pakistan and say the UK or Sweden. If we believe women in the subcontinent are more safe than women in the western world based on rape statistics, then I'm afraid we are not going to solve the problem as that requires to first acknowledge there is an issue.

Western women also went through exactly the same cultural fight, their emancipation grew organically, and probably faced the same resistance from leaders and authorities in their respective nations. Nothing happened overnight. You have already seen much impact of western thought in the east, it is not all or nothing, there will be some pushback and some acceptance. I don't think everything will be adopted wholesale in one go.

 

[PetroDollars]

Imran backtracked on his earlier victim-blaming comments but made another gaffe by saying women in Pakistan are treated better than in other places. This man should keep quiet! A delusional leader with zero understanding of issues. Whenever this man opens his mouth, he makes a horrible mess!

Its tooken him 6 months and 4 interviews to finally accept rapist are responsible and not the women, yet he comes out with another gaffe, this guy should be on comedy central, its beyond me how people still support him.

 

[dildilpak]

Women are killed for honor, kidnapped & converted, abused for disobeying men, sexual crimes claims not recorded & yet IK claims that women are respected in Pakistan? Has he seen the gender disparity figures of Pakistan?

We all know that Afghanistan, Pakistan & India are absolutely s***-h*** for women & yet i am amazed how the politicians can make tall claims.

 

[saeedhk]

Fourth worst country for women. Effectively, Pakistan is the worst because the first three -Yemen, Afghanistan and Iraq- are in a state of war.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

It’s stupid when Indians compare rape cases per capita in India to west to make themselves feel better and ignore the problem. And it’s stupid here.

What constitutes sexual harassment in the west would be laughed out here

 

[PetroDollars]

Women are killed for honor, kidnapped & converted, abused for disobeying men, sexual crimes claims not recorded & yet IK claims that women are respected in Pakistan? Has he seen the gender disparity figures of Pakistan?

We all know that Afghanistan, Pakistan & India are absolutely s***-h*** for women & yet i am amazed how the politicians can make tall claims.

Hes contradicting himself, he first claimed women in pakistan are not respected like in the west and men are out of control in pakistan, now he accepts its the rapists fault but comes out with women are more respected here, what a clown.

 

[Itachi]

What constitutes sexual harassment in the west would be laughed out here

That's the problem. That it is laughed out in Pakistan.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

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Fourth worst country for women. Effectively, Pakistan is the worst because the first three -Yemen, Afghanistan and Iraq- are in a state of war.

Bangladesh has slipped 15 places compared to last year. Covid pandemic probably played a role in it. Happy to see my country progressing though.