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Pahalgam: Options for Pakistan?

Why will a cm make a statement on a national issue. And the pm already gave a statement that he is ready for an investigation on this by a neutral party
If IK's sister can comment on it (reporters regularly harrass her with this question when she is only trying to meet her brother), what is stopping CM of Pakistan's biggest province to comment on it ? Ofc it doesn't have to do with this family's fraandship with Indians does it ?
 
just see the statement of the incompetent politicians--

Janab, yeh to false flag operation hain...

Jhelum main ya to paani bahega warna khoon bahega...

Pani nahee milega to act of war hoga...

Nuclear weapons kab kaam aayege..

Pak Defense Minister making a fool of himself in an international interview - Yes, we were the hub for the terrorists for last 30 years. But trust us now , we are clean now...:p

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Hilarious :D, abhee to kuch kiya bhee nahee aur inka yeh haal hain.
 
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Pakistan leaders are shitting in its pants...just see the statement of the incompetent politicians--

Janab, yeh to false flag operation hain...

Jhelum main ya to paani bahega warna khoon bahega...

Pani nahee milega to act of war hoga...

Nuclear weapons kab kaam aayege..

Pak Defense Minister making a fool of himself in an international interview - Yes, we were the hub for the terrorists for last 30 years. But trust us now , we are clean now...:p

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Hilarious :D, abhee to kuch kiya bhee nahee aur inka yeh haal hain.
pakistani politicians are incompetent india or no india, its like taking credit for scaring a blind man into tripping over a rock. but i guess you need some narrative to claim a moral victory at least.
 
The Pakistan establishment already controls the infrastructure to loot as much money as it wants from the Pakistan treasury, why would it need to open a new war front with India to invite international pressure for no reason? All this does is weaken the Pakistan economy which means progressively less and less resources to loot from.

India on the other hand loses nothing by creating bad relations. Your own posters constantly remind us of this, and even your sports and entertainment policy reflects this. Just look at cricket as an example.
Yes it can loot with the fear of India and Kashmir..plus Munirs popularity was low and Pak was fighting so many internal forces...does not look like a stable situation at all

When you say false flag ..every false flag has to have a reason. India has neither attacked Pakistan after each of these false flag attacks or done anything before this .so kya Khushi me false flag karega. Modi is extremely popular in India and Hindu vote is already behind him. So doesn't need to create this drama.

As for sporting policy previously and now water policy..these are all reactionary. Will you play cricket and share water with your neighbors who train arm and fund mad dogs and release them to kill your innocent children. The root is the last line of action by Pakistan.. everything else happens after that. What kind of country indulges in this kind of action or rather what religion.
 
Atm the best option seems to be, sit back and keep entertained by Indians attacks via Twitter, indian news , indian posters typing faster than they can eat and thinking Pakistan is now Sahara dessert.

I'm assuming Modi is waiting for a cloudy day so radar cannot detect fighter jets :sachin
Cloudy day or 27 April was new moon..nothing happened..and will not happen as Pak forces are on alert..that would be stupid. The issue isn't attacking pak..the issue is building defense for the retaliation. Bcos modi has made it clear that the attack has to be massive .the retaliation would also be big. The other option is to goad Pakistan into making a pre emotive strike first which they can due to the statements inevitability as well as the jhelum floods. India is more focused on iwt measures.

Either way the defense of India is important to ensure either the war does not escalate beyond a token pak attack or gain a decisive advantage for India to escalate. Else if Pak retalaites at similar scale to India and is successful, the war will spiral out of control which no one wants.
 
If IK's sister can comment on it (reporters regularly harrass her with this question when she is only trying to meet her brother), what is stopping CM of Pakistan's biggest province to comment on it ? Ofc it doesn't have to do with this family's fraandship with Indians does it ?
IK's sister are not in the govt.

Any statement that is to be made by the govt needs to be carefully crafted and not ever lullo panju needs to make a comment.
A resolution has been passed and that is enough. Maryam is CM of Punjab, not CM of Pakistan.
 
Yes it can loot with the fear of India and Kashmir..plus Munirs popularity was low and Pak was fighting so many internal forces...does not look like a stable situation at all

When you say false flag ..every false flag has to have a reason. India has neither attacked Pakistan after each of these false flag attacks or done anything before this .so kya Khushi me false flag karega. Modi is extremely popular in India and Hindu vote is already behind him. So doesn't need to create this drama.

As for sporting policy previously and now water policy..these are all reactionary. Will you play cricket and share water with your neighbors who train arm and fund mad dogs and release them to kill your innocent children. The root is the last line of action by Pakistan.. everything else happens after that. What kind of country indulges in this kind of action or rather what religion.

Neither cricket policy or water policy is reactionary, the cricket policy has been in place since Modi came to power and has never relented regardless of what Pakistan has done. The water policy has been a threat developed for decades now and there have been threads already on these boards about it.

Modi's rise to power was on the back of Hindutva militancy which he proved in Gujarat. The Hindu population feted him for it, and he knows it's a crowd pleaser. Just look at the ministers he elects and the truth is right there in your face and you know it.
 
IK's sister are not in the govt.

Any statement that is to be made by the govt needs to be carefully crafted and not ever lullo panju needs to make a comment.
A resolution has been passed and that is enough. Maryam is CM of Punjab, not CM of Pakistan.
Maryum can also give 'carefully crafted' statements but she won't. Every lalu panju in India is giving statements.

Are you denying that Sharif family has soft spot for India ? They don't have buisness interests with them ? Sharif's themselves don't deny it. What about NS's silence ?
 
Maryum can also give 'carefully crafted' statements but she won't. Every lalu panju in India is giving statements.

Are you denying that Sharif family has soft spot for India ? They don't have buisness interests with them ? Sharif's themselves don't deny it. What about NS's silence ?
No need for Maryam to speak. It is for the central government to handle, nor is it necessary for Nawaz to speak.

I am no fan of either of them btw.
 
China has fully backed Pakistan
Trump said he is friends with both sides
Turkish military planes landed in Karachi yesterday.


In return @Rajdeep Bhai has provided the detailed analysis of support for India and stated that a random village MP in the UK and some Indian protesters outside the Palace embassy in London have fully backed India.
 
Neither cricket policy or water policy is reactionary, the cricket policy has been in place since Modi came to power and has never relented regardless of what Pakistan has done. The water policy has been a threat developed for decades now and there have been threads already on these boards about it.

Modi's rise to power was on the back of Hindutva militancy which he proved in Gujarat. The Hindu population feted him for it, and he knows it's a crowd pleaser. Just look at the ministers he elects and the truth is right there in your face and you know it.
Your facts are patently false

1. You attacked on 1947.

2. You attacked on 1965 and suffered a defeat

3. 1971 also you attacked but this time we would have come to protect the Bengali Muslims from the rabid Pakjabi Muslims.

4. Kargil you attacked after the bus diplomacy.

5. Cricket suspension happened after Mumbai attack not Modi.

6. You launch terrorist attacks every alternate years. Under Modi this won't be tolerated. Since this is the height of Islamic barbarism...the punishment needs to be higher. Water is a reaction to your barbarism..why do we care to provide water to butchers....modi is lot more statesman like...most Indian could care less if there is a flood or famine that kills subhuman people who send killers to kill civilians for no reason.


Yes Modi is Hindu nationalist but how many times did Modi attack Pakitan unilaterally in the last 10 years. We do not care about Pakistan as long as Pakistan doesn't send terrorists..but since they won't stop..military force and water war is the only way to make the Pak army get the message. Humiliation and public humiliation like 1971 is needed to get the message across. A Balakot strike on a terrorist camp is easy for Pak to say no one was there..even if they close the space for two months and not allow anyone to visit. Lmao.

Now let's stick to the facts and please dispute which of what I stated above is false.
 
camp is easy for Pak to say no one was there..even if they close the space for two months and not allow anyone to visit. Lmao.

Now let's stick to the facts and please dispute which of what I stated above is false.
You only listen to your Pak media..China and Turkey are Pak allies and even then China on the surfacw was neutral but we all know who they will support. So kudos you have China and Turkey on your side.

Listen to what Trump's FBI and DNI tweeted..Israel France Russia Saudi uae Iran Afghanistan EU UK and other countries have directly supported India and no one except Iran and Saudi has asked for tensions to cool down..

Trump said they will figure it out...not that he is taking to both sides to cool down ..

So beta your time is coming..until then burn your fuel keeping round the clock vigilance..when the fuel money and patience dies down...theb Modi will exact revenge. Looks like we can get away with water war..no criticism anywhere ..nada.
 
You only listen to your Pak media..China and Turkey are Pak allies and even then China on the surfacw was neutral but we all know who they will support. So kudos you have China and Turkey on your side.

Listen to what Trump's FBI and DNI tweeted..Israel France Russia Saudi uae Iran Afghanistan EU UK and other countries have directly supported India and no one except Iran and Saudi has asked for tensions to cool down..

Trump said they will figure it out...not that he is taking to both sides to cool down ..

So beta your time is coming..until then burn your fuel keeping round the clock vigilance..when the fuel money and patience dies down...theb Modi will exact revenge. Looks like we can get away with water war..no criticism anywhere ..nada.
Those countries you mention have all offered condolences to India. They haven't supported India in taking any action against Pakistan, nor have they supported India's baseless allegation regarding Pakistani involvement.

Nothing material has happened regarding water. There is no water war; the treaty is in "abeyance". Even Indian outlets reckon that if India was to do anything Pakistan can challenge it in court and will win.

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But what national security interests are likely to be fulfilled by violating the treaty? First of all, India can only influence a miniscule amount of the water flow into Pakistan right now, most of it is from glacial melt, snow melt, and monsoon rains anyway. To do more, India would have to spend thousands of crores to build large storage dams over a period of decades, for no set purpose except to threaten Pakistan. For that kind of money, India could easily overhaul its military capabilities instead, and in much quicker time.

More importantly, the restriction of water to another country is a war crime, and if India starts building the infrastructure to commit war crimes it paints itself as a villain in a region where it is fighting a desperate rearguard action against Chinese domination. As a downstream riparian to China, it will hand all the cards to its northern neighbour if China decides it will build such dams too, something it has both the financial wherewithal to do, and the engineering capability to do so much quicker than India. "




and here

"The IWT cannot be altered unilaterally. Article XII stipulates that its provisions “may from time to time be modified by a duly ratified treaty concluded for that purpose between the two Governments.” It further clarifies that the treaty can only be terminated through a “duly ratified treaty” agreed upon by both states.
The term “hold in abeyance,” as used by India in its letter to Pakistan, is neither recognised in international law nor mentioned in the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT), 1969, the principal treaty governing agreements between states. “The VCLT does not use the word ‘abeyance’; it uses the term ‘suspension,’ which allows a country to suspend the operation of an entire treaty or a part of it. Suspension is distinct from termination. I believe that when India used the word ‘abeyance,’ it intended to mean ‘suspension’ rather than termination of the IWT,” Dr. Prabhash Ranjan, professor at Jindal Global Law School, told The Hindu."


India is not even using terrorism as its excuse for putting the treaty into abeyance. It will cite demographic changes as it has done in the past :ROFLMAO:

So this is the reality infront of you. You are letting your imagination run wild with theories of burnt fuel, and bollywood fantasies of Modi swooping in for revenge when the time is right. Unfortunately in the real world we have to deal with facts and not your imagination brother.
 
You only listen to your Pak media..China and Turkey are Pak allies and even then China on the surfacw was neutral but we all know who they will support. So kudos you have China and Turkey on your side.

Listen to what Trump's FBI and DNI tweeted..Israel France Russia Saudi uae Iran Afghanistan EU UK and other countries have directly supported India and no one except Iran and Saudi has asked for tensions to cool down..

Trump said they will figure it out...not that he is taking to both sides to cool down ..

So beta your time is coming..until then burn your fuel keeping round the clock vigilance..when the fuel money and patience dies down...theb Modi will exact revenge. Looks like we can get away with water war..no criticism anywhere ..nada.

The Palagram attack disappeared from Western media almost immediately. It was irrelevant after the first day, and your allies have shown no real concern since.
 
You only listen to your Pak media..China and Turkey are Pak allies and even then China on the surfacw was neutral but we all know who they will support. So kudos you have China and Turkey on your side.

Listen to what Trump's FBI and DNI tweeted..Israel France Russia Saudi uae Iran Afghanistan EU UK and other countries have directly supported India and no one except Iran and Saudi has asked for tensions to cool down..

Trump said they will figure it out...not that he is taking to both sides to cool down ..

So beta your time is coming..until then burn your fuel keeping round the clock vigilance..when the fuel money and patience dies down...theb Modi will exact revenge. Looks like we can get away with water war..no criticism anywhere ..nada.

Maybe you missed this news have a read through the article fully

 
If IK's sister can comment on it (reporters regularly harrass her with this question when she is only trying to meet her brother), what is stopping CM of Pakistan's biggest province to comment on it ? Ofc it doesn't have to do with this family's fraandship with Indians does it ?

Not every Tom, Dick, and Harry needs to jump in with a statement just to boost India’s ego. This isn’t the place for internal politics.
 
Those countries you mention have all offered condolences to India. They haven't supported India in taking any action against Pakistan, nor have they supported India's baseless allegation regarding Pakistani involvement.

Nothing material has happened regarding water. There is no water war; the treaty is in "abeyance". Even Indian outlets reckon that if India was to do anything Pakistan can challenge it in court and will win.

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But what national security interests are likely to be fulfilled by violating the treaty? First of all, India can only influence a miniscule amount of the water flow into Pakistan right now, most of it is from glacial melt, snow melt, and monsoon rains anyway. To do more, India would have to spend thousands of crores to build large storage dams over a period of decades, for no set purpose except to threaten Pakistan. For that kind of money, India could easily overhaul its military capabilities instead, and in much quicker time.

More importantly, the restriction of water to another country is a war crime, and if India starts building the infrastructure to commit war crimes it paints itself as a villain in a region where it is fighting a desperate rearguard action against Chinese domination. As a downstream riparian to China, it will hand all the cards to its northern neighbour if China decides it will build such dams too, something it has both the financial wherewithal to do, and the engineering capability to do so much quicker than India. "




and here

"The IWT cannot be altered unilaterally. Article XII stipulates that its provisions “may from time to time be modified by a duly ratified treaty concluded for that purpose between the two Governments.” It further clarifies that the treaty can only be terminated through a “duly ratified treaty” agreed upon by both states.
The term “hold in abeyance,” as used by India in its letter to Pakistan, is neither recognised in international law nor mentioned in the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT), 1969, the principal treaty governing agreements between states. “The VCLT does not use the word ‘abeyance’; it uses the term ‘suspension,’ which allows a country to suspend the operation of an entire treaty or a part of it. Suspension is distinct from termination. I believe that when India used the word ‘abeyance,’ it intended to mean ‘suspension’ rather than termination of the IWT,” Dr. Prabhash Ranjan, professor at Jindal Global Law School, told The Hindu."


India is not even using terrorism as its excuse for putting the treaty into abeyance. It will cite demographic changes as it has done in the past :ROFLMAO:

So this is the reality infront of you. You are letting your imagination run wild with theories of burnt fuel, and bollywood fantasies of Modi swooping in for revenge when the time is right. Unfortunately in the real world we have to deal with facts and not your imagination brother.
Little short of time ..so will sue facts to disprove your fantasy about IWT later on..except say that you are right building dams take time. Also iNdia and China are rivals but booming economy
.not nutcase like Pakistan.. we will compete and have some clashes but China cares more about USA and Taiwan and South China Sea. So nothing to worry there. Anyways I will come to your misconceptions about IWTs future and why no international courts will come to your rescue...you can always bomb the dam. That's one option you have.

But let's just share some tweets to disprove your idea that none of these countries have provided support and only offered condolences. Just two form USA but countless others . They are not saying sorry for your loss..they are saying we support as you hunt the mother fucker pak army down...will they fight ofcourse not..will they intervene..100 percent not..will they provide intelligence and support ..perhaps yes. So there goes your fake media narrative.
 

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No need for Maryam to speak. It is for the central government to handle, nor is it necessary for Nawaz to speak.

I am no fan of either of them btw.
Not every Tom, Dick, and Harry needs to jump in with a statement just to boost India’s ego. This isn’t the place for internal politics.
My point was that Sharif family has shown clear tilt towards India in the past and they have never taken any hard stance against them. We should be vary of this family specially in this situation.
 
Just do a Google search and realize you are mistaken ...western populations don't care what happens ...but Western govt cares as the Islamic disease is spreading in their countries and Pak is the mother ship of it...we don't need Western countries to fight for us...we need them to not intervene provide intelligence and that's it....who goes and cries to Uncle Sam..remember Bhutto in 1971 and Sharif in 1999...what will happen this time....
 
Maryum can also give 'carefully crafted' statements but she won't. Every lalu panju in India is giving statements.

Are you denying that Sharif family has soft spot for India ? They don't have buisness interests with them ? Sharif's themselves don't deny it. What about NS's silence ?
I have already told you the reasons and you just keep repeating it.

NS does not hold a govt position.
 
China has fully backed Pakistan
Trump said he is friends with both sides
Turkish military planes landed in Karachi yesterday.


In return @Rajdeep Bhai has provided the detailed analysis of support for India and stated that a random village MP in the UK and some Indian protesters outside the Palace embassy in London have fully backed India.

Just like how Trump and entire western power supports Israel and only some Pakistani/Islamist protest on behalf of Palestine. Lets see whether you and the people who gave reaction to that post find that equally funny.

Btw, Israeli jets also landed in India. Are you saying if a war breaks out, Trump will still remain neutral and not side with his son Israel?

Lets be honest, you, I and entire world knows Pakistan was behind this attack. Only difference being this time Pakistan got exposed big time all over the world and burned their hand.
 
Just like how Trump and entire western power supports Israel and only some Pakistani/Islamist protest on behalf of Palestine. Lets see whether you and the people who gave reaction to that post find that equally funny.

Btw, Israeli jets also landed in India. Are you saying if a war breaks out, Trump will still remain neutral and not side with his son Israel?

Lets be honest, you, I and entire world knows Pakistan was behind this attack. Only difference being this time Pakistan got exposed big time all over the world and burned their hand.
Brother please present facts not imagination.
 
Setting aside questions of right and wrong, the current situation presents a major political opportunity for both regimes to consolidate their hold over the masses, riding the wave of nationalism and shifting public attention away from deeper socio-economic issues.

This advantage appears even more significant for Pakistan’s leadership than for Bharat’s. For the Modi government, this could turn into a double-edged sword. It’s one thing to stoke public anger, but quite another to meet the expectations it creates. Failure to deliver can easily lead to backlash. I’m already hearing it, many die-hard Modi supporters in my own circle have begun expressing their disappointments, some even saying they wish Indira Gandhi were in charge instead, that Modi has gone soft (can you believe it?)and being all talk with no real action.

In contrast, Pakistan’s regime currently enjoys a rare moment of complete national unity.

Pakistan’s problem has a different nature. While for Bharat, it’s more a matter of showing the levels to their recent claims of having become a global power. Times like these present a challenge to the govt to showcase some of that power in multi facets as they have claimed to have achieved.

Pakistan on the other hand faces a genuine territorial integrity challenge at different fronts. Although the nation is united finally but they’re still stuck in too many war fronts. It’s an absolute nightmare and you can see the panic in the body language of their leaders.
 
Your facts are patently false

1. You attacked on 1947.

2. You attacked on 1965 and suffered a defeat

3. 1971 also you attacked but this time we would have come to protect the Bengali Muslims from the rabid Pakjabi Muslims.

4. Kargil you attacked after the bus diplomacy.

5. Cricket suspension happened after Mumbai attack not Modi.

6. You launch terrorist attacks every alternate years. Under Modi this won't be tolerated. Since this is the height of Islamic barbarism...the punishment needs to be higher. Water is a reaction to your barbarism..why do we care to provide water to butchers....modi is lot more statesman like...most Indian could care less if there is a flood or famine that kills subhuman people who send killers to kill civilians for no reason.


Yes Modi is Hindu nationalist but how many times did Modi attack Pakitan unilaterally in the last 10 years. We do not care about Pakistan as long as Pakistan doesn't send terrorists..but since they won't stop..military force and water war is the only way to make the Pak army get the message. Humiliation and public humiliation like 1971 is needed to get the message across. A Balakot strike on a terrorist camp is easy for Pak to say no one was there..even if they close the space for two months and not allow anyone to visit. Lmao.

Now let's stick to the facts and please dispute which of what I stated above is false.

None of those are "facts" they are Indian spin on just about every topic other than Kargil, which I will grant was a stupid move by the Pakistan army. All of the rest will have precursive action by India or context which you are missing out, but not the place to discuss them here, they will all have dedicated threads if you want to discuss them.

This thread is about Pahalgam and Pakistan options so I don't want to veer too far from that.
 
China has fully backed Pakistan
Trump said he is friends with both sides
Turkish military planes landed in Karachi yesterday.


In return @Rajdeep Bhai has provided the detailed analysis of support for India and stated that a random village MP in the UK and some Indian protesters outside the Palace embassy in London have fully backed India.


It is important to emphasise that most neutral countries will wait for proof of Pakistan involvement in the terror attack before pointing fingers. This is the mature policy which national govts have to take. Media outlets and commentators may well just be spewing propaganda based on their own ideological leanings.

India's immediate finger pointing did them no favours. It showed a lack of measured analysis. If anything the finger now points back at them because it looks like they had a pre-planned response to hit Pakistan with damaging measures which have been talked about for months prior to any attack.
 
Should the government of Pakistan cut the fibre cables laid underground in pakistan for 90% Internet users in India after the youtube ban move by India
Such a move will have a negative impact on the self image of western women, they will wonder why they are no longer being asked for bobs and vegene pics.
 
Should the government of Pakistan cut the fibre cables laid underground in pakistan for 90% Internet users in India after the youtube ban move by India
There isn't a direct route of Indian-owned fibre optic cables directly under Pakistan. India and Pakistan rely on international submarine cables for internet connectivity, and these cables form a network connecting various parts of the world. Nice try though.

As I said, Pakistan has absolute nothing to threaten India...nothing.
 
A serial killer will always be suspected for a murder. Since Osama Bin Laden was found in Pakistan, no one trust anything that comes from Pakistani establishment.

BTW, Is Britain not mature country?


Like I said, most mature countries will wait for proof of Pakistan involvement before rushing to endorse Indian propaganda. Don't post videos of people who are giving opinions, if you have a written statement of a neutral country blaming Pakistan specifically, then please share it here. Otherwise no one is interested in rabid hindutva soundbites about OBL.
 
There isn't a direct route of Indian-owned fibre optic cables directly under Pakistan. India and Pakistan rely on international submarine cables for internet connectivity, and these cables form a network connecting various parts of the world. Nice try though.

As I said, Pakistan has absolute nothing to threaten India...nothing.
India doesn't depend anything on Pakistan but Pakistan is dependent on India #fact:kp
 
Like I said, most mature countries will wait for proof of Pakistan involvement before rushing to endorse Indian propaganda. Don't post videos of people who are giving opinions, if you have a written statement of a neutral country blaming Pakistan specifically, then please share it here. Otherwise no one is interested in rabid hindutva soundbites about OBL.
He is a British MP, speaking in House of Commons directly accusing Pakistan. Why would another country give a written statement on a conflict involving India and Pakistan? Has China and Turkiye given any such written statement that Pakistan wasn't involved?
 
Imagine if a celebrated star like Kaneria faced such injustice, what regular hindus go through there. Then we are told religion has nothing to do why PCT dont have any non-muslim players.

:kp

The celebraty Fixer has to scrounge around knowing he's irrelevant.

Maybe BCCI should interact with ECB to lift his life Ban . Lol
 
Feel for the families who are still seeking some sort of consolation for this horrible atrocity.

Whilst Modi and Co Yet to provide evidence, rather than typical BS lip service
 
The celebraty Fixer has to scrounge around knowing he's irrelevant.

Maybe BCCI should interact with ECB to lift his life Ban . Lol
We can make a playing XI with 4 reserve players if we talk about fixers in Pak cricket :amir

However Kaneria is sharing his story from his playing days when Afridi tried to convert him. Looks like you are upset for some reason.
 
He is a British MP, speaking in House of Commons directly accusing Pakistan. Why would another country give a written statement on a conflict involving India and Pakistan? Has China and Turkiye given any such written statement that Pakistan wasn't involved?

MPs are paid to give opinions all the time, there have been plenty airing their opinions about Indian army abuse of Kashmir citizens in IOK. Only in the colonised minds of Indians is a British opinion considered sacrosanct. Did he provide any proof of Pakistan's involvement? Please elaborate if so and you can provide a link here. Otherwise we can consider it more propaganda sponsored by the Indian state.
 
Cloudy day or 27 April was new moon..nothing happened..and will not happen as Pak forces are on alert..that would be stupid. The issue isn't attacking pak..the issue is building defense for the retaliation. Bcos modi has made it clear that the attack has to be massive .the retaliation would also be big. The other option is to goad Pakistan into making a pre emotive strike first which they can due to the statements inevitability as well as the jhelum floods. India is more focused on iwt measures.

Either way the defense of India is important to ensure either the war does not escalate beyond a token pak attack or gain a decisive advantage for India to escalate. Else if Pak retalaites at similar scale to India and is successful, the war will spiral out of control which no one wants.

Lol clouds affecting radar was a Modi foolish view , dont listen to this uneducated teaboy .

You say modi wants a 'massive attack ' , please explain what is massive. Various targets in Pakistan or 20 trees instead of 10 ?
 
Hindutva has useful idiots like @uppercut, a master of lying, distorting facts, and pretending to be "serious."

Muslims have useful idiots like Zaid Zaman Hamid, equally skilled in lying, twisting reality, and insisting on being "serious."

Birds of the same feather...

Most people understand that war is horrific and tragic but if war is thrust upon the Muslims then so be it.
 
This 'conventional' edge is also a load of nonsense.

Our tank strength is around 2800 to India's 3900. Our airforce, less in numbers, however has very good quality and in every conflict has done better or kept the balance. As for the armed forces yes they are double ours, however means very little with the drones and other tactics as seen in Ukraine.

Why the above matters is because in a limited conflict both nations won't suddenly load out with their 100% assets. In any localised conflict there will likely be parity re: the units put out in the field. Its just that this oh we are so outmatched is a line trotted by ISPR to gazump even more funds.

In a full scale across the border invasion nukes would come into play anyway so the above would not matter.

Any military analysts can give their input.
 
We can make a playing XI with 4 reserve players if we talk about fixers in Pak cricket :amir

However Kaneria is sharing his story from his playing days when Afridi tried to convert him. Looks like you are upset for some reason.

BS. he's trying to be relevant , and knows anti Pakistani statements are normally music to Hindutwa ears. So maybe desperation is creeping in, knowing he's hit a dead end.
 
This 'conventional' edge is also a load of nonsense.

Our tank strength is around 2800 to India's 3900. Our airforce, less in numbers, however has very good quality and in every conflict has done better or kept the balance. As for the armed forces yes they are double ours, however means very little with the drones and other tactics as seen in Ukraine.

Why the above matters is because in a limited conflict both nations won't suddenly load out with their 100% assets. In any localised conflict there will likely be parity re: the units put out in the field. Its just that this oh we are so outmatched is a line trotted by ISPR to gazump even more funds.

In a full scale across the border invasion nukes would come into play anyway so the above would not matter.

Any military analysts can give their input.

There are a few aspects of your post which need to be expanded:
  1. India does have conventional advantage over Pakistan but it is not as significant (numerically) and the war theater which Indians choose to open will not allow them to properly deploy due to restrictions on battle formation density (deploy too much and it chokes progress. If India chooses Kashmir, the terrain does not allow them to use their conventional superiority effectively. If India chooses to violate the International border then ideal terrain for India is Sialkot (or Bahawalpur) but this opens India to operate in Indian Punjab (which is increasingly hostile to them). It is too hot in Cholistan for both armies (for both men and machine). If India goes towards GB then the Chinese will intervene (for their own interests and nothing to do with Pakistan).
  2. Indian Army relies heavily on Soviet doctrine which is based on heavy deployment of Armour and Artillery so Indians guns will pound and pound and pound.
  3. The response from Pakistan will be asymmetric, irregular and disproportionate
  4. Nukes will likely not come into play.

Scary times for Pakistan establishment if these kind of leaks coming through are genuine


You can’t blame the soldiers if they’re out in a position where they’re fighting multiple battles at once and just cannot sustain.
A Major typically does not command a forward area, although exceptions can occur under specific circumstances.

A Major would not ordinarily submit a situation report (SITREP) directly to a three-star general (Corps Commander); instead, it would be routed through his second-in-command (2IC), who would forward it to the commanding officer (CO) or otherwise escalate it through proper channels.

While a SITREP can eventually reach the Corps Commander, it is generally accompanied by notes, summaries, or additional commentary from the intermediate levels of command.

Additionally, no professional army would ever have a Major request resupplies directly from a three-star general.

Based on my experiences engaging with Indians, particularly those aligned with Hindutva, I recognize that there is often little regard for truth or accuracy. If inventing such scenarios helps them feel better or sleep more soundly at night, so be it.
 
Lol clouds affecting radar was a Modi foolish view , dont listen to this uneducated teaboy .

You say modi wants a 'massive attack ' , please explain what is massive. Various targets in Pakistan or 20 trees instead of 10 ?
20 trees are enough for Pak army to close the area to visitors for two months..wonder how much time it takes to remove tree...but with pak it's hard to say what they are hiding..just the fact that they run terrorist camps or the fact that the bombs killed multiple pigs instead of trees
 
It is important to emphasise that most neutral countries will wait for proof of Pakistan involvement in the terror attack before pointing fingers. This is the mature policy which national govts have to take. Media outlets and commentators may well just be spewing propaganda based on their own ideological leanings.

India's immediate finger pointing did them no favours. It showed a lack of measured analysis. If anything the finger now points back at them because it looks like they had a pre-planned response to hit Pakistan with damaging measures which have been talked about for months prior to any attack.
Last time when pulwanma happened and India bombed the terrorist hideout after 10 plus days...Pak retaliated in less than a day..looks like it was preplanned response ..hence proved Pak did Pulwama
 
20 trees are enough for Pak army to close the area to visitors for two months..wonder how much time it takes to remove tree...but with pak it's hard to say what they are hiding..just the fact that they run terrorist camps or the fact that the bombs killed multiple pigs instead of trees

People visited and documented immediately.

Stick to Bollywood and veg with roti. Whatever india does Pakistan responds and life moves on . Your mental health and heart rate is more important than these reoccurring tensions
 
Scary times for Pakistan establishment if these kind of leaks coming through are genuine


You can’t blame the soldiers if they’re out in a position where they’re fighting multiple battles at once and just cannot sustain.


So what are you waiting for ?

Why don't you take the whole of POK since pakistan army is In complete dissaray , lost manpower at those forward posts and ran out of ammunition.
 
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