Pakistan (230 & 157) defeat West Indies (137 & 123) by 127 runs in the first Test match to secure a 1-0 lead in the 2-Match series

[Justcrazy]

That did nt happen When their tale scored 51/7 to 137

It will happen my friend , unless you have played cricket yourself you will not understand how difficult is to hit big on these surface.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It’s not just about quality of spinners, it’s also batting against quality spin. Of all the teams who have played in Pakistan since this strategy, no one has looked in control apart from Saud Shakeel. Saim Ayub and Rizwan also looked ok in patches. This is allowing Pakistan to reach 250-300 type of totals.

none of Eng and WI batters showed any method whatsoever. They try to block until they lose hope and revert to sweeps/wild swings.

NZ can be a threat with Rachin, Will Y, and Kane. Aus, SA, and most other teams will not tour well in Pakistan even Asian teams. SL’s Karunaratne has decent defensive technique but rest of team is useless.

If the opposition bats first and makes enough runs. They can control the game. More than the batting neither ENgland nor Windies have any quality spinner. All are mediocre spinners with career average of 35, 40. WHen it becomes a low scoring shoot out it will be a nightmare. This second innings is a snapshot of what i am talking about.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India used to prepare these kind of surfaces in early 90s and attack with three spinners Kumble , Rajesh Chauhan and V. Raju

Yes these surfaces remind me of the 1990s designer pitches under Ajit Wadekar/Azharuddin.

 

[Justcrazy]

Even though Pakistan will win this , the batting has looked bad , against a better team , Pakistan will struggle with this formula , unless the batting unit can get them 300 plus consistently.

 

[mominsaigol]

They've won two lost two hows that lucky ?

They started curating pitches since England 2nd test

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

It will happen my friend , unless you have played cricket yourself you will not understand how difficult is to hit big on these surface.

im not saying it def will. but crazier things have happened in cricket

 

[jnaveen1980]

Batting against spin is a dying art. Pakistani batters bar Saud also don’t have a method to bat here. Foreign teams have no hope.

You can't blame batsmen here though. Ball is spitting like a cobra. Just skids through. Some keep low. Some bounce. Most of them turn sharply of the pitch.

 

[Farabi]

If the opposition bats first and makes enough runs. They can control the game. More than the batting neither ENgland nor Windies have any quality spinner. All are mediocre spinners with career average of 35, 40. WHen it becomes a low scoring shoot out it will be a nightmare. This second innings is a snapshot of what i am talking about.

It’s not just about having quality spinners but also batters who have a method to bat against the turning ball, which is a dying art.
The reason for Pakistan’s wins are not just lack of quality spinners in the opposition ranks but the presence of saud Shakeel and 1-2 guys who can chip in.

 

[BouncerGuy]

West Indies can win this game. They just need to be patient

 

[jnaveen1980]

It’s not just about having quality spinners but also batters who have a method to bat against the turning ball, which is a dying art.
The reason for Pakistan’s wins are not a lack of quality spinners but the presence of saud Shakeel and 1-2 guys who can chip in.

First innings pitch didn't quiet actually break. Only later part of the innings pitch started offering more help.

 

[boomboomcheema]

How Pakistan have provided an opening to West Indies.

 

[jnaveen1980]

West Indies will committ harakiri here in the name of being "positive"

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Of the three turning tracks that Pakistan has produced so far, this one has to be the most lethal. Can't blame the batters too much except for the run-outs lol. Also tells you how good Saud, Rizwan and Shan's innings were.

West Indies ain't even getting close to this total.

 

[Farabi]

You can't blame batsmen here though. Ball is spitting like a cobra. Just skids through. Some keep low. Some bounce. Most of them turn sharply of the pitch.

why not? There is a method to bat on these pitches.
Saud Shakeel must be given credit here. He’s averaged 40+ in the 3 tests on these pitches.

 

[Asad T]

Loll first ball and he’s going for a reverse sweep

 

[jnaveen1980]

why not? There is a method to bat on these pitches.
Saud Shakeel must be given credit here. He’s averaged 40+ in the 3 tests on these pitches.

WHat did Saud do in the second innigns? He batted well in the first innings.

 

[mon858]

West Indies can win this game. They just need to be patient

Wrong. They need to be aggressive. Surviving even 30 to 40 overs I'd hard. 50 to 60 impossible. So they need to target finishing the game in 40 overs or so max. Maybe even 30 overs like an extended t20 match.

 

[Farabi]

First innings pitch didn't quiet actually break. Only later part of the innings pitch started offering more help.

International batters have struggled more in first innings too. England won the toss, batted first but still got out batter.
WI opener is playing a reverse sweep on first ball. Tells you they don’t trust their technique.

 

[kingusama92]

Aggression is their only option. Might as well go for it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Aggression is their only option. Might as well go for it.

These guys are not naturally aggressive players. They could have included Jango guy. That guy looked more assured against spin.

 

[Justcrazy]

Big appeal off first ball itself.

 

[baba ghazi]

India used to prepare these kind of surfaces in early 90s and attack with three spinners Kumble , Rajesh Chauhan and V. Raju

but they also scored big on these pitches kambli sachin sidhu azhar getting hundreds.. kambli also got double hundred

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Did they even need to play one seamer?

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Aggression is their only option. Might as well go for it.

You wanted 250

 

[Justcrazy]

Four

Looks like WI will play positive here , and try to put the bowlers under pressure.

 

[jnaveen1980]

but they also scored big on these pitches kambli sachin sidhu azhar getting hundreds.. kambli also got double hundred

That was a world class spin bashing unit. NOthing comes close to that. Sidhu, Azharuddin, Kambli, Peak Sachin. later on Ganguly.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Four

Looks like WI will play positive here , and try to put the bowlers under pressure.

Your feed is atleast 3 balls late

 

[Justcrazy]

Aggression is their only option. Might as well go for it.

Yes , defending will not go well , need to take chances.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Abrar bowling freebies.

 

[jnaveen1980]

To play well on these pitches you have to be good enough to play against the spin. Sehwag, Laxman were exceptional playing against spin even on square turners.

 

[Justcrazy]

If these two can get 50 - 75 , Pakistan bowlers mettle will be tested.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If these two can get 50 - 75 , Pakistan bowlers mettle will be tested.

You can go from 75/0 to 88/6 in no time on this pitch. New comers will struggle massively.

 

[Justcrazy]

To play well on these pitches you have to be good enough to play against the spin. Sehwag, Laxman were exceptional playing against spin even on square turners.

More than sehwag technique was his attitude against spinners , I think he even said somewhere that he does not consider off spinners as bowlers

 

[Ahmed216]

They started curating pitches since England 2nd test

But they won the 3rd England test despite losing the toss so don't think their success so far can be attributed to winning tosses.
Not yet

 

[Justcrazy]

You can go from 75/0 to 88/6 in no time on this pitch. New comers will struggle massively.

But mental strength of bowlers will be tested.

 

[baba ghazi]

Yes these surfaces remind me of the 1990s designer pitches under Ajit Wadekar/Azharuddin.

nothing compared to kohli shastri special against south africa in 2015

 

[kingusama92]

You wanted 250

Yeah and WI's only hope will be aggression or it's not happening.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Good positive start from Windies.

 

[Justcrazy]

Abrar looks like a white ball bowler , he is not good enough with red ball, Pakistan need to make separate pool of spinners for Test and white ball.

 

[jnaveen1980]

nothing compared to kohli shastri special against south africa in 2015

I think fast bowlers also did well in that series if i am right. Kyle abbot, Mone Morkel, Umesh. You are right. wreckers in chief were Ashwin and Jadeja. Destroyed them.

 

[kingusama92]

There goes the first one.

 

[Justcrazy]

OUT

Finally Pakistan strikes , the procession may start now.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is not a sustainable approach. In between you should rotate the strike.

 

[jamie smith]

kraigg gone

 

[BouncerGuy]

Sajid strikes.... Kraigg gone

 

[cricfan4lyfe]

DON strikes

 

[Nasty Naz]

One wicket down. Not sure they can get to 100 on this pitch.

 

[kingusama92]

Just get Noman in from the other end. No need to bowl Abrar at all.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Match will be over before tea.

 

[jamie smith]

carty is a good player of spin,need to get him quickly

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Why is Noman not bowling? Surely he makes more sense

 

[jnaveen1980]

Can't blame WI batsmen too. Inexperienced is one thing. This ttrack is tough.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Sajid gets Carty, Windies 2 down

 

[jnaveen1980]

ball is turning and keeping low. You cannot sweep such balls.

 

[BouncerGuy]

None of the windies batters averages above 30 apart from Kriag... this is a pathetic squad tbh

 

[cricfan4lyfe]

DON AGAIN

 

[BouncerGuy]

Sajid takes 2 now... Windies are going down

 

[boomboomcheema]

Don't know what strategy is this to bowl Abrar instead of Noman.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

They've given Abrar 4 overs, whatever they were trying hasn't worked, need to get Noman on now

 

[kingusama92]

Abrar is just not as good compared to the spin twins.

 

[jnaveen1980]

First innings they batted 25.1 overs. Will they last that long

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Rameez suggesting they are giving Abrar overs to build his confidence

This isn't a charity, the key is to take wickets

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Sajid bowls Hodge, he gets his 3rd

 

[BouncerGuy]

Sajid the Don is doing his work

 

[kingusama92]

That was high quality from Sajid!

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Or maybe they don't want to bowl Noman so Sajid can grab a 5er

 

[Nasty Naz]

What a ripper from Sajid. Guess he loves bowling with the new ball these days.

 

[cricfan4lyfe]

BEAUTY FROM DON

 

[jnaveen1980]

Wonder why they didn't bring AKeil hosein here. He is likely to be way more dangerous.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Noman comes and bowls a beauty...

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Sajid gets his 4th, running riot

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is comical collapse. Under 50 all out?

 

[BouncerGuy]

These guys just cannot handle Sajid... He is too good on this kind of pitch...beauty

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Let's see if he can get a 5er this time

 

[kingusama92]

Geez that was a ridiculous shot by Louis. Senseless.

 

[cricfan4lyfe]

DON DON

 

[kingusama92]

Put Abrar back on so Sajid can get 10.

 

[RehanG]

I see some warning/ point deductions for Multan pitch coming up …

 

[jnaveen1980]

Athanaze was a super star in 2018 under-19 world cup. He was the highest run getter scoring 400 plus runs at an average of 104. He is yet to realize his potential

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Noman gets in on the act, Windies 5 down but he's reviewed