Pakistan [342/8] beat Bangladesh [341/7] by two wickets in the ICC Champions Trophy warm-up

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

What is Hafeez doing?

Trying to coax pakistani fans to commit seppuku through his batting.

 

[Pete Rose]

It's important for Pakistan to lose this match badly.

 

[Speedster777]

Azhar and Hafeez should be dropped. Terrible players.

 

[Speedster777]

Haris and Fakhar should replace them.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

It's important for Pakistan to lose this match badly.

Won't bring about any change, this is the batting we'll see at our brief appearance at the CT.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Pak now going good.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Taskin getting phainty

 

[JibranAnsari]

Good show by pakistan , bangladesh is a lot superior team.

 

[wasimjunior]

Anyone know our batting order?

Haris fakhar Sarf and iMad all gonna bat? Every chance if so

Anyone?

Gonna head to ground if so

 

[Syed1]

It's important for Pakistan to lose this match badly.

Lol that has never resulted in any good changes

 

[idrizzy]

Pak now going good.

Malik doing most the work. Looks like Hafeez is playing the anchor role and wants to be there until the end. Not the worst of approaches, and Malik won't be dumb enough to chase shots. Hafeez's SR will naturally increase as he progresses further in his innings. 80 isn't bad.

 

[idrizzy]

Anyone?

Gonna head to ground if so

Shehzad, Azhar, Babar, Hafeez, Malik, Sarfraz, Imad, Fahim, Shadab, Hasan, J Khan. I assume this is the batting order.

Fakhar, Haris are subs. They won't bat.

 

[Syed1]

Shehzad, Azhar, Babar, Hafeez, Malik, Sarfraz, Imad, Fahim, Shadab, Hasan, J Khan. I assume this is the batting order.

It's warmup you can play all the batsman in the squad as long as you dont lose 10 wickets

 

[PennOne]

Pakistan team are the real minnows now. admit it

 

[Specialisttailender]

Anyone noticed England scored 300+ again ? Aus and SL scored 300 as well and now we got another 300+ game. Pitches in England will be flat.

 

[saeed5646]

Anyone?

Gonna head to ground if so

SUbstitute can bat if team management allow so..depend on the situation and goal of coach from practice

match

 

[Syed1]

Hafeez playing for a selfish 50

 

[Rayyman]

Hafeez is too slow. Hit out, or get out.

 

[idrizzy]

It's warmup you can play all the batsman in the squad as long as you dont lose 10 wickets

I know but our starting XI is our starting XI. I doubt we'll see Fakhar and Haris.

 

[TalhaSyed]

SA who need 331 to win are scoring at 5.75 RPO
Pak who need 342 to win are scoring at 5.86 RPO

Both teams are leaving a lot for the latter overs.

Key difference:

SA have 8 wickets in hand which includes the likes of Q de Kock and AB De Villiers
Pak have 7 wickets in hand which includes the likes of.....Hafeez and Imad....

 

[MMHS]

Something old-school guys just don't get.

Sixers are SIX times more important and valuable than singles. Boundaries are four times more important.

Same thing with basketball and three-pointers it took years of data, a few younger coaches with power to tell oldies to shut up and then a few years of teams that didn't do it getting hammered. Now people realize that you either dunk or lay-up or you take 3 pointers, because 33% 3 pointers is as good as 50% 2-pointers (which no one except Shaq ever had).

Same thing, you are not going to get singles 100% of the balls, and they are basically not very relevant compared to boundary frequency. For every sixer they hit, you need a whole over of singles more than what they get to compensate.

First part of your post can be discussed - by any maths, a 4 of one ball is better than a 1. Problem is, when a 4 is followed by 5 dots. I don't think, anyone with clear head would mind if their batsmen can bang 4 & 6 every alternate ball. However, the game isn't played in computer games - bowling & fielding units will try as well to restrict boundary & get batsmen out by choking - therefore be in Test, ODI or T20 - the formula was, is & always will always be same - shot productivity (or less dot balls) by old, new or future school. In modern school, boundaries are "tempered" to create more boundaries, so a good team score has gone to 315 from 250 - otherwise, if you do a little analysis, you'll notice that old school guys like Viv, Zaheer, Javed, Jones, Lamb, Greg, Crowe, Border ... had almost identical shot productivity like modern greats - only that, they had to send a ball further to hit a SIX with 2lb - 14oz bat, modern greats do that in 60 metre grounds with 4 lb mallets. Obviously, it doesn't need calculator figure out what'll be team score if instead of 35, 85 boundaries are hit, but problem is, it's a 10 wicket game - not like base ball, where you play 9 innings & allocated 3 strikes for each batter.

2nd part is a bit more complex - google "Zonal defense" in NBA, you might find, why teams are trying periphery shots more by day - it's not only for 3 points (which is 1 more than 2 obviously) - these days, great forwards like Anthony, Durant, Green, Leonard or James are taking 10+ metre jumpers from within 3 point ring, more than lay offs for 2 points, because of the quality of defending these days. Saq would have a career average like 35-38 points, 23-25 rebounds & 6 block per match, had he played during the time of Wilt Chamberlain.

 

[Specialisttailender]

I take back what I said about Bangladesh.

 

[Syed1]

I know but our starting XI is our starting XI. I doubt we'll see Fakhar and Haris.

Yeah and that's very unfortunate. We are stuck with this pathetic lot.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Hafeez looking for a fifty to settle his spot in the playing 11

 

[srh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan bowlers today - Junaid Khan, Hasan Ali & Shadab Khan all impressive. Hafeez bowled well in his 3 overs <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BanvPak?src=hash">#BanvPak</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CT17?src=hash">#CT17</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/868458628684054528">May 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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having an economy rate of 8+ is impressive?

 

[Syed1]

Watch how selfish Hafeez ups the ante as soon as he gets to 50

 

[Syed1]

Love or hate Malik atleast he can bat according to the situation and not strike in the 70s and 80s like Azhar and Hafeez.

 

[MMHS]

In the other match, finally AB has grown some balls to bat at 3.....

 

[Syed1]

Reqd. rate climbing to 8 and Prof shahab is happy to tuk away to get to his selfish fifty.

 

[ammar_merry]

AB is batting at 4 [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

 

[Syed1]

Muhammad Hafeez should do Sajda, Shukranay Nafil and victory lap of the ground after this selfish fifty.

 

[MMHS]

having an economy rate of 8+ is impressive?

Different context - they restricted 375 by controlling the game in 2nd half. In ODI cricket, since it has gone through so many transition in it's short life of 45 years, if you don't consider "context", you'll end-up believing Azhar Ali to be far better striker & aggressive ODI opener than someone Gordon Grineedge.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Pak is winning this.

 

[Rayyman]

Malik trolling tha hell out of Hafeez.

 

[Boi]

Hafeez out for 49 lol

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Malik trolling tha hell out of Hafeez.

How?

 

[shahidafridi123]

Hahaha serves Hafeez right. Gone for 49.

 

[Syed1]

Yessssssssssssssssss :


Prof doesn't get a fifty.

 

[Hasan123]

[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] ducking for cover as Malik shows he can play the modern way whilst Hafeez shows he is only interested in his personal performance.

 

[Mir jibran]

gone on 49
selfish innings

 

[saeed5646]

Pak is winning this.

thanx for jinx

 

[Abdullah719]

Muhammad Hafeez should do Sajda, Shukranay Nafil and victory lap of the ground after this selfish fifty.

No need for Sajda, Nafil or victory lap.

25.6
Shafiul Islam to Mohammad Hafeez, OUT
Mohammad Hafeez c Imrul Kayes b Shafiul Islam 49 (95m 62b 6x4 0x6) SR: 79.03

Superb knock.

 

[Syed1]

Batting at 80 SR when the target is 342. Atleast he did better than Azhar who batted at 58 SR.


Thank you Inzi

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Lol hafeez

 

[Rayyman]

How?

Hafeez 49(58)
Malik 49(37)

 

[Syed1]

Meanwhile Malik gets to a well-played 50.


Well done lad

 

[Pete Rose]

[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] ducking for cover as Malik shows he can play the modern way whilst Hafeez shows he is only interested in his personal performance.

I think the price criticism of malik is based on his performance vs australia and england after his comeback.
He can play the modern way against bangladesh....

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

MoHa gone

 

[MMHS]

AB is batting at 4 [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

Typo

He batted at 5 last time.

 

[wasimjunior]

It's warmup you can play all the batsman in the squad as long as you dont lose 10 wickets

Would be really stupid to not try fakhar and Haris

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Yessssssssssssssssss :


Prof doesn't get a fifty.

Same happiness here. What a selfish innings chasing 340

 

[JibranAnsari]

Pakistan is the gulf between top 7 and number 8 is too big.

Pakistans going to lose all three.

 

[Hasan123]

I think the price criticism of malik is based on his performance vs australia and england after his comeback.
He can play the modern way against bangladesh....

He wasn't our worst batsmen in those series

 

[Syed1]

Need 90 in the next 13 overs so that we are left with 90 to get in the last 10.

 

[Hasan123]

Typo

He batted at 5 last time.

No in the last game he batted at 4 as well.

 

[Syed1]

Pakistan is the gulf between top 7 and number 8 is too big.

Pakistans going to lose all three.

I see that your wrists have recovered after the 3rd test and are ready to be slit again.

 

[PennOne]

having an economy rate of 8+ is impressive?

Fans like Saj are already accepting we are so much in the minnow zone that the economy rate is impressive.

 

[King Kong]

Typo

He batted at 5 last time.

Wrong again. He batted at 4 last time too.

 

[maanleo]

If a wicket falls management should send Haris in.

 

[PennOne]

I see that your wrists have recovered after the 3rd test and are ready to be slit again.

3rd test was against which team again? was it a top or mid tier. admit it. we are a minnow team

 

[idrizzy]

First part of your post can be discussed - by any maths, a 4 of one ball is better than a 1. Problem is, when a 4 is followed by 5 dots. I don't think, anyone with clear head would mind if their batsmen can bang 4 & 6 every alternate ball. However, the game isn't played in computer games - bowling & fielding units will try as well to restrict boundary & get batsmen out by choking - therefore be in Test, ODI or T20 - the formula was, is & always will always be same - shot productivity (or less dot balls) by old, new or future school. In modern school, boundaries are "tempered" to create more boundaries, so a good team score has gone to 315 from 250 - otherwise, if you do a little analysis, you'll notice that old school guys like Viv, Zaheer, Javed, Jones, Lamb, Greg, Crowe, Border ... had almost identical shot productivity like modern greats - only that, they had to send a ball further to hit a SIX with 2lb - 14oz bat, modern greats do that in 60 metre grounds with 4 lb mallets. Obviously, it doesn't need calculator figure out what'll be team score if instead of 35, 85 boundaries are hit, but problem is, it's a 10 wicket game - not like base ball, where you play 9 innings & allocated 3 strikes for each batter.

2nd part is a bit more complex - google "Zonal defense" in NBA, you might find, why teams are trying periphery shots more by day - it's not only for 3 points (which is 1 more than 2 obviously) - these days, great forwards like Anthony, Durant, Green, Leonard or James are taking 10+ metre jumpers from within 3 point ring, more than lay offs for 2 points, because of the quality of defending these days. Saq would have a career average like 35-38 points, 23-25 rebounds & 6 block per match, had he played during the time of Wilt Chamberlain.

Re: 2nd paragraph. More goes into the 'take 3's or layups'. That style of play is basically what Houston Rockets did this year, and sometimes it's efficient, but other times it's not. If it is so good (as Cricket Analyst suggests) then they'd have beaten San Antonio. There goes more into basketball however, like how early you take your shots, assists, open looks etc. That's why GSW are the best team because they are efficient on a whole other level. About 75% (or more probably) of their field goals are assisted, which shows the tempo they play in and the intensity they have.

And if you disregard the mid-range jumper then you're disregarding one if the GOATs that is MJ. He did what he was undoubtedly amazing at and was a huge success at the Bulls. So in this regard, 3's or layups are out of the question.

The argument in cricket and basketball is not about shot selection - if it was everyone would only go for 6's and 3's respectively - but it's about efficiency. Do what you're good at and stick to it. That's why Azhar will never be successful in ODIs since he's good with his temperament but not his ability for strokeplay.

Of course your first paragraph I agree with, and again that relates back to efficiency. Players want to play the bad balls but not get bogged down by the good balls. In this day and age boundaries are more important, however singles are needed to force proceedings, regardless of the situation. About 30% of dot balls in an innings is normal, even 35. But boundaries is the difference between 270 and 330.

 

[Syed1]

If a wicket falls management should send Haris in.

Lol they seriously opened with Azhar and Shehzad while chasing 342 you really think our THICK TANK is so sharp that they would send Haris.

 

[saeed5646]

3rd test was against which team again? was it a top or mid tier. admit it. we are a minnow team

ok sir we believe you

should i stop watching cricket know
??

 

[Syed1]

3rd test was against which team again? was it a top or mid tier. admit it. we are a minnow team

Yes we are a minnow team but it is not a foregone conclusion that we will lose all matches.

 

[idrizzy]

Fans like Saj are already accepting we are so much in the minnow zone that the economy rate is impressive.

It was more so J Khan picked up 4 wickets. Turn your head to Wahab who got no wickets but still went for 7.5+.

 

[Syed1]

Lo jee boss yet another failure for Kaptaan. In his yaari dosti with Hafeez he is killing his own career by coming in at 6.

 

[idrizzy]

I expected Sarf to go out. Not a guy you want at #6. He's suited to top 4.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Disappointed but expected this.

 

[idrizzy]

Difference between Pak and SA is wickets in hand.

 

[maanleo]

Lol they seriously opened with Azhar and Shehzad while chasing 342 you really think our THICK TANK is so sharp that they would send Haris.

It's really a shame. What's the point of warm-up match if you don't test your only middle order left hand batsman. Ideally Fakhar should replace Azhar and Fahim/Imad should make way for Haris.

 

[Pete Rose]

He wasn't our worst batsmen in those series

and that tells us what?

 

[big_gamer007]

It's not showing on any channel in India? Where are you guys watching?

 

[PennOne]

You are all witnessing live a showcase of how far back Pakistani batting has regressed vs how far forward Bangladesh batting has progressed.

 

[captain crook]

We're not playing to win here, but we're having a great practice, which is the whole point of this damn match.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Kaptaan gone. India is afraid of playing Pakistan.

 

[Indiafan]

The boundaries are far more important. The singles don't bother anyone and until the sub-continental sides get rid of our old-school approaches the white countries will win every single time. Even during the IPL or PSL it's embarassing how often our commentators are talking abt singles and strike rotation and they are talking about hitting sixes and putting sides under pressure.

315 is going to be par at this tournament.

Look at Bangladesh today. 33 boundaries, 8 sixes, 21 extras. That's 191 runs right there. Straight up you need 150 runs off 252 balls in ones, twos and threes....all the time in the world to play dot-balls. Even 35% of the innings being dot-balls can get you such a huge score as long you hit the boundaries.

The best ODI players and even T20 ones are the ones who rotate a lot with boundaries. There is a reason Bangla are one of the most inconsistent team. Kohli's India were reaching 350s regularly with lots of singles. AB, Kohli all are great runners, turning ones to twos.

It is hilarious you talk about sub continent when they make the most 300+ scores in ODIs

Your approach will fail 90% of the time. Consistent team and consistent players ***** risk vs reward. So they dont go for strike rate of 300 but 150. And they are the most consistent and successful. There is a fine balance between failure rate and high scoring and best batsmen know which is the right median. Any more and the failure rate becomes too high like Afridi, any less and it becomes useless to the team.

 

[troodon]

Why is Harris Sohail not batting? Is he not in the final team plans?

 

[Hasan123]

and that tells us what?

That there are bigger problems in our batting line up than Malik. In the 2 games we did win out of the 10 played, Malik played a big part in those wins.

 

[wasimjunior]

Why on Earth are you not testing Haris or Fakhar when 15 players are allowed...

 

[PennOne]

We're not playing to win here, but we're having a great practice, which is the whole point of this damn match.

if you don't aim to win in a warm up match you will never win in a real match. might as well play test cricket during our innings to get batting practice