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Pakistan arguably has the second best all time ODI XI. The quality of bowling ( pace and spin both) is without a question one of the best and a close 2nd to Australia.

In the batting department, it may not be as good as Australia and India but it is right up there comparable to any other nations.

Here we go with the XI :-

Saeed Anwar
Babar Azam
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam ul haq
Abdul Razzaq/Shahid Afridi
Sarfaraz Ahmed (wkt)
Imran Khan (c)
Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhtar

Substitute - Waqar Younis/Fakhar Zaman

Views? :ab
 
If there are injuries to any fast bowler, the reserves include below names :-

Waqar Younis
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Asif
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Umar Gul
 
The current top 3 should make it to all time pak xi
Then we can have zaheer javed inzi(any 2)
Then razzaq/afridi
Sarfraz/moin
Imran
Wasim
Waqar/shoaib
Saqlain
 
Compare this to Indian all time ODI XI, batting wise , India are basically 9/10 and Pakistan are 8/10.

But bowling wise, Pakistan are 9/10 and India are only 7/10. 3-4 years ago, it was 6/10.
 
Compare this to Indian all time ODI XI, batting wise , India are basically 9/10 and Pakistan are 8/10.

But bowling wise, Pakistan are 9/10 and India are only 7/10. 3-4 years ago, it was 6/10.

Keeping wise we are poor.
 
In terms of pace attack, only South Africa matches to Australia and Pakistan but they fall short due to their failures in crunch moments.

Donald, Pollock, Steyn/Morkel and Tahir is a potent #8-11 and so is batting but their ODI World Cup stats will expose some of these batters and bowlers bilaterals figure.
 
i seriously doubt you can have sarfraz in the all time XI as keeper... Sarfraz has no impact (as a batsmen) on any game in the ODI (apart from 2-3 games).. as a keeper, Rashid Latif was far superior with same-ish batting skills.... i think even now Rizwan can push sarfraz out ... but i would keep Kamran Akmal in the list (bfore kamran became bubble hands)

Waqar over Shoaib Akhter anytime.. ANY TIME

My XI would be

1)Saeed Anwar
2)Babar Azam
3)Zaheer Abbas
4)Miandad
5)Inzamam
6)Kamran Akmal
7) Imran Khan (C)
8) Abdul Razzaq
9) Wasim Akram
10)Saqlain Mushtaq
11)Waqar Younas

Only weakness there is maybe an absence of a 6th bowler.....
an ODI great with bowling skills... ? ... maybe Shoaib Malik (but he wasnt a great) ... maybe Haffeez ( ummm could be but he isnt ATG material as well)
 
Anwar
Fakhar
Babar
Miandad
Inzimam
Imran (c)
Afridi
Moin (wk)
Wasim
Waqar
Saqlain

- - - -

Yousuf
Akhtar
Razzaq
Zaheer Abbas
 
Anwar
Fakhar
Babar
Miandad
Inzimam
Imran (c)
Afridi
Moin (wk)
Wasim
Waqar
Saqlain

- - - -

Yousuf
Akhtar
Razzaq
Zaheer Abbas

Still the Aussie 1999-2007 team will wipe the floor with this side
 
We probably have the worst keeping pedigree.

India: Dhoni
Srilanka: Sangakara
Aus: Gilchrist
Zimbabwe: Andy Flower
England: Butler
NZL: McCullum
Windies: Shai Hope?
SAF: Boucher/ DeKock
Pak: Sarfraz/ Akmal
 
They are up there but the batting is frankly nothing in comparison to what Australia, India and West Indies are capable of putting up in their ATG ODI XIs.

Afridi, Sarfraz and Imran at 6, 7,8 respectively? Too weak compared to Symonds, Bevan or Yuvraj, Dhoni, Kapil or Ben Stokes, Morgan, Butler or even Miller, Boucher, Pollock

This is after ignoring that Babar, Inzamam and Miandad are all not known for being dominant to order batsmen.
Saeed Anwar and Zaheer Abbas are literally the only two batters to be scared of in this team and they too have their known flaws.
 
Compare this to Indian all time ODI XI, batting wise , India are basically 9/10 and Pakistan are 8/10.

But bowling wise, Pakistan are 9/10 and India are only 7/10. 3-4 years ago, it was 6/10.

India are a solid 9.5 , they have a genuine goat contender for literally every batting position from
1-8 in ODIs.

Pakistan 6 if one’s to be very lenient
 
They are up there but the batting is frankly nothing in comparison to what Australia, India and West Indies are capable of putting up in their ATG ODI XIs.

Afridi, Sarfraz and Imran at 6, 7,8 respectively? Too weak compared to Symonds, Bevan or Yuvraj, Dhoni, Kapil or Ben Stokes, Morgan, Butler or even Miller, Boucher, Pollock

This is after ignoring that Babar, Inzamam and Miandad are all not known for being dominant to order batsmen.
Saeed Anwar and Zaheer Abbas are literally the only two batters to be scared of in this team and they too have their known flaws.

Yuvraj, Dhoni, Kapil will be #5-7 not #6-8. You will have Kumble or Harbhajan probably at 8.

Same for England, Morgan at 7 and Buttler at 8? No way. Where are the bowlers then? Imran came to bat at 3 in 1992 WC Final and played a match winning knock. He was a clutch batsman, arguably as good as Eoin Morgan today and he is batting at 8 for Pakistan all time XI here.
 
I think 2nd has to be South Africa in ATG teams. Their glaring weakness was a spinner, but with Tahir they have a world class one now. Every other department they excel in great players.

Our batting isn't strong enough to compare with SA. Same with India, their fast bowling isn't strong enough compared to SA.
 
Any team without Fakhar Zaman is In complete in odis my xi would be

Fakhar Zaman
Anwar
Babar Azam
Miadad
Inzamam
Imran Khan
Moin Khan
Afridi
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Saqlain Mushtaq
 
Zaheer Abbas was arguably the second best ODI batsman in 1980s after Viv Richards.
 
Pakistan
1. Saeed Anwar
2. Babar Azam
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. Javed Miandad
5. Inzamam Ul Haq
6. Imran Khan
7. Rizwan (wk)
8. Wasim
9. Waqar
10. Mushtaq
11. Akhtar

Feel a bit silly putting Rizwan in there, but it's between Moin, Sarfraz and Rizwan. Rizwan is the best keeper out of the three by far, and has a slightly better batting record than the others. Definitely the weakest spot, there's no proper candidates.

Feel bad leaving out Fakhar, but it's a bit weird to have an XI without the best Pakistani batsman of all time in Miandad. I'm sure in today's age he would have scored quicker.
 
Pakistan arguably has the second best all time ODI XI. The quality of bowling ( pace and spin both) is without a question one of the best and a close 2nd to Australia.

In the batting department, it may not be as good as Australia and India but it is right up there comparable to any other nations.

Here we go with the XI :-

Saeed Anwar
Babar Azam
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam ul haq
Abdul Razzaq/Shahid Afridi
Sarfaraz Ahmed (wkt)
Imran Khan (c)
Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhtar

Substitute - Waqar Younis/Fakhar Zaman

Views? :ab

I would put Waqar first in my list , ahead of Akhtar .

I guess you like Sarfraz for some reason , nothing to do with cricket I guess. There are so many better WK/batters , including Moeen, Rizwan, Lateef and even Akmal . Sarfraz's keeping is no better than Akmal and Akmal was far better batter .

I would not include Razzaq, he was dood batter, at times but his bowling was not worth of much, Afridi was a match winner with both bat and ball on his day.
 
Pakistan
1. Saeed Anwar
2. Babar Azam
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. Javed Miandad
5. Inzamam Ul Haq
6. Imran Khan
7. Rizwan (wk)
8. Wasim
9. Waqar
10. Mushtaq
11. Akhtar

Feel a bit silly putting Rizwan in there, but it's between Moin, Sarfraz and Rizwan. Rizwan is the best keeper out of the three by far, and has a slightly better batting record than the others. Definitely the weakest spot, there's no proper candidates.

Feel bad leaving out Fakhar, but it's a bit weird to have an XI without the best Pakistani batsman of all time in Miandad. I'm sure in today's age he would have scored quicker.

Agree , Fakhar doesnl;t deserve to be in 11 , ahead of Saeed and Babar or any other batter in your 11 . Not consistent enough and many of his big hundereds are against midocre attack.

I would put Moeen ahead of Rizwan. Sarfraz , not even close .

I would put Qadir , not Mushi or Saqi
 
Saeed Anwar
Babar
Zaheer
Miandad
Inzi
IK ( C)
Afridi
Moeen
Qadir
Akram
Waqar

Akhtar ( 12th man )
 
I would put Waqar first in my list , ahead of Akhtar .

<B>I guess you like Sarfraz for some reason , nothing to do with cricket I guess</B>. There are so many better WK/batters , including Moeen, Rizwan, Lateef and even Akmal . Sarfraz's keeping is no better than Akmal and Akmal was far better batter .

I would not include Razzaq, he was dood batter, at times but his bowling was not worth of much, Afridi was a match winner with both bat and ball on his day.

I don't have any personal reason for picking Sarfaraz over other keepers for Pakistan. I believe the competition for keeper bat in ODIs is between Moin Khan and Sarfaraz Ahmed.

Rizwan has only recently started doing well with bat so let him do it for longer period and take his average to 40 first.

ODIs keeping don't really require specialist keepers as you have to keep for 50 overs rather than in Tests where it can be much more tiresome for a keeper batsman over a period of 5 days. Also, Sarfaraz has led Pakistan to a CT win and in subcontinent conditions, he can be a genuine match winner with bat so all in all, I feel he has an edge over others.

Razzaq's bowling was high quality in ODIs. I think you are confusing it with tests. Razzaq is arguably a better ODI all rounder than Afridi.
 
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Saeed Anwar
Fakhar Zaman
Javed Miandad
Inzamam ul Haq
Imran Khan (c)
Shahid Afridi
Moin Khan (wk)
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar
Saqlain Mushtaq

It was between Babar and Fakhar for me, one is capable of getting you a run a ball 100 which is cool but the other has an extra gear. Fakhar can go from 100 off 90 to 150+ off 120 balls. He’s relentless, whereas Babar will get tired after making a century and throw his wicket away.

Shoaib Akhtar is too good to be benched, had to compromise on a batsman and play 3 all rounders (Khan, Afridi and Wasim) just to fit him into the team.
 
For his keeping alone Rizwan is great,and he is a much better batsman than any other Pakistani keepers in the ODI format.
 
We probably have the worst keeping pedigree.

India: Dhoni
Srilanka: Sangakara
Aus: Gilchrist
Zimbabwe: Andy Flower
England: Butler
NZL: McCullum
Windies: Shai Hope?
SAF: Boucher/ DeKock
Pak: Sarfraz/ Akmal

I shall take Rashid Latif. He was a zem .
 
Lol at those suggesting Rizwan in a Pakistan all time ODI XI

Would you bat him at 4 or 5 :))
 
Saeed Anwar
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Mohammed Rizwan
Inzaman Ul Haq
Misbah Ul Haq
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammed Asif
 
Lol at those suggesting Rizwan in a Pakistan all time ODI XI

Would you bat him at 4 or 5 :))

Lol. To be fair he is the best statistically speaking. That speaks for how poor the rest are. Although you could argue Moin played at a time when 220 was par. He was a poor keeper though.
 
I would also bat Inzi higher than Javed. I do wish Inzi batted higher during his career, maybe even at 3 instead of guys like Malik and Younis who despite their contributions had stints at 3 which they did not deserve.

Lastly. I would have a peak Md Amir or Shaheen ahead of Shoaib Akhtar. Amir’s hunger for finals is well known, so I will put him in there.

Also, appreciate some recognition for Zaheer Abbas. Proper record after 60+ ODIs. His stats speak for themselves. Looks like the stats of someone from the mid 90s or 2000s, yet he played in the 80s. Ahead of his time. Classy strokemaker.

1) Babar Azam
2) Saeed Anwar
3) Zaheer Abbas
4) Inzimam-Ul-Haq
5) Javed Miandad
6) Mohammad Rizwan +
7) Imran Khan *
8) Wasim Akram
9) Mohammad Amir
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saqlain Mushtaq


I think Amir would have done 10x better as a bowler under the guidance of Wasim Akram (assuming he wasn’t involved in any sus behavior) and Waqar.
 
I would also bat Inzi higher than Javed. I do wish Inzi batted higher during his career, maybe even at 3 instead of guys like Malik and Younis who despite their contributions had stints at 3 which they did not deserve.

Lastly. I would have a peak Md Amir or Shaheen ahead of Shoaib Akhtar. Amir’s hunger for finals is well known, so I will put him in there.

Also, appreciate some recognition for Zaheer Abbas. Proper record after 60+ ODIs. His stats speak for themselves. Looks like the stats of someone from the mid 90s or 2000s, yet he played in the 80s. Ahead of his time. Classy strokemaker.

1) Babar Azam
2) Saeed Anwar
3) Zaheer Abbas
4) Inzimam-Ul-Haq
5) Javed Miandad
6) Mohammad Rizwan +
7) Imran Khan *
8) Wasim Akram
9) Mohammad Amir
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saqlain Mushtaq


I think Amir would have done 10x better as a bowler under the guidance of Wasim Akram (assuming he wasn’t involved in any sus behavior) and Waqar.

How can you play a bowler with around 100 wickets at an average close to 30. Akhtar, Gul, and even Mohammad Sami had a better output than Amir
 
How can you play a bowler with around 100 wickets at an average close to 30. Akhtar, Gul, and even Mohammad Sami had a better output than Amir

Amir would be playing club cricket if he played Wasim generation.
 
Pakistan arguably has the second best all time ODI XI. The quality of bowling ( pace and spin both) is without a question one of the best and a close 2nd to Australia.

In the batting department, it may not be as good as Australia and India but it is right up there comparable to any other nations.

Here we go with the XI :-

Saeed Anwar
Babar Azam
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam ul haq
Abdul Razzaq/Shahid Afridi
Sarfaraz Ahmed (wkt)
Imran Khan (c)
Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhtar

Substitute - Waqar Younis/Fakhar Zaman

Views? :ab

Not Razzaq I would rather have Waqar Younis in his prime. Rizwan is Better than Sarfi, wicket keeping and batting.
 
Australia all time XI :-

1. Adam Gilchrist (wkt)
2. Mark Waugh
3. Ricky Ponting(c)
4. Dean Jones
5. Andrew Symonds
6. Michael Hussey/Bevan
7. Shane Watson
8. Mitchell Starc
9. Brett Lee
10. Shane Warne
11. Glenn McGrath
 
haan theek, but asking your thought process from a discussion perspective. You can have Kabir Khan too!

Jokes aside, probably because I recently saw the highlights of the CT final again. They were on my YouTube recommended. So recency bias I guess. Performing in two finals (even though one wasn’t ODI) has to count for something. Being able to perform at that level in that situation- I’m not sure Shoaib Akhtar or Gul would be able to do that. Even though I love Shoaib, but sometimes he would talk big and then go missing.
 
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Jokes aside, probably because I recently saw the highlights of the CT final again. They were on my YouTube recommended. So recency bias I guess. Performing in two finals (even though one wasn’t ODI) has to count for something. Being able to perform at that level in that situation- I’m not sure Shoaib Akhtar or Gul would be able to do that. Even though I love Shoaib, but sometimes he would talk big and then go missing.

He had 330 runs to defend. There is no doubt Akhtar would be able to defend that. He has destroyed ATG Australian lineups in his prime.
 
He had 330 runs to defend. There is no doubt Akhtar would be able to defend that. He has destroyed ATG Australian lineups in his prime.

330 runs to defend vs the best batting lineup in the world at the time. England and India were both heavy favorites going into that tournament, major part of that was their batting.
 
Not Razzaq I would rather have Waqar Younis in his prime. Rizwan is Better than Sarfi, wicket keeping and batting.

Anwar
Babar
Zaheer
Javed
Inzamam
Sarfaraz/ Moin(wkt)
Imran Khan (c)
Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhtar
Waqar Younis

Sarfaraz led Pakistan to CT victory, Rizwan hasn't played an ICC ODI tournament match ever.
 
330 runs to defend vs the best batting lineup in the world at the time. England and India were both heavy favorites going into that tournament, major part of that was their batting.

With Wasim in Pakistan all time XI, I don't think Amir really brings anything different. I would rather have Shoaib bowling rockets and terrifying batsman as he used to do in his peak days.

250 wickets at 25 vs 80 wickets at 29?? It's a no-brainer for most. :akhtar
 
Australia all time XI :-

1. Adam Gilchrist (wkt)
2. Mark Waugh
3. Ricky Ponting(c)
4. Dean Jones
5. Andrew Symonds
6. Michael Hussey/Bevan
7. Shane Watson
8. Mitchell Starc
9. Brett Lee
10. Shane Warne
11. Glenn McGrath

I’d throw in Damien Martyn and Michael Clarke for potential batting spots but it’s hard to make room for them given the quality above. Also Gillespie with the ball.
 
Pakistan arguably has the second best all time ODI XI. The quality of bowling ( pace and spin both) is without a question one of the best and a close 2nd to Australia.

In the batting department, it may not be as good as Australia and India but it is right up there comparable to any other nations.

Here we go with the XI :-

Saeed Anwar
Babar Azam
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Inzamam ul haq
Abdul Razzaq/Shahid Afridi
Sarfaraz Ahmed (wkt)
Imran Khan (c)
Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mushtaq
Shoaib Akhtar

Substitute - Waqar Younis/Fakhar Zaman

Views? :ab

As a neutral, i'd open with the 2 SA's , Shahid Afridi being the other.
I'd go for Moeen Khan for Sarfraz, that guy had the X factor to club 35 off 10 kind of innings.
Your 12th man has to be a gun fielder - and i'd go for Shadaab Khan.
the rest are all ATG's and would make most world XI's in their time and genre.
 
Pakistan
1. Saeed Anwar
2. Babar Azam
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. Javed Miandad
5. Inzamam Ul Haq
6. Imran Khan
7. Rizwan (wk)
8. Wasim
9. Waqar
10. Mushtaq
11. Akhtar

Feel a bit silly putting Rizwan in there, but it's between Moin, Sarfraz and Rizwan. Rizwan is the best keeper out of the three by far, and has a slightly better batting record than the others. Definitely the weakest spot, there's no proper candidates.

Feel bad leaving out Fakhar, but it's a bit weird to have an XI without the best Pakistani batsman of all time in Miandad. I'm sure in today's age he would have scored quicker.
But if you want a wicket keeper batsman at number 7, then moin is the best choice as a brilliant finisher at the end.
 
i seriously doubt you can have sarfraz in the all time XI as keeper... Sarfraz has no impact (as a batsmen) on any game in the ODI (apart from 2-3 games).. as a keeper, Rashid Latif was far superior with same-ish batting skills.... i think even now Rizwan can push sarfraz out ... but i would keep Kamran Akmal in the list (bfore kamran became bubble hands)

Waqar over Shoaib Akhter anytime.. ANY TIME

My XI would be

1)Saeed Anwar
2)Babar Azam
3)Zaheer Abbas
4)Miandad
5)Inzamam
6)Kamran Akmal
7) Imran Khan (C)
8) Abdul Razzaq
9) Wasim Akram
10)Saqlain Mushtaq
11)Waqar Younas

Only weakness there is maybe an absence of a 6th bowler.....
an ODI great with bowling skills... ? ... maybe Shoaib Malik (but he wasnt a great) ... maybe Haffeez ( ummm could be but he isnt ATG material as well)

Imran himself is the weak point . Imran is not a great all rounder in ODI , In tests he would probably walk in world XI , not in OD
 
Anwar
Fakhar
Babar
Miandad
Inzamam
Razzaq/Afridi (depends on the pitch)
Imran (c)
Moin
Wasim
Saqlain
Shoaib

Substitute- Waqar / Hafeez
 
Anwar
Fakhar
Babar
Zaheer
Miandad
Rizwan
Imran
Wasim
Waqar
Saqlain
A Qadir/ Shoaib (According to conditions)
 
SA ATG is an elite team. If we don't bring their WC record they are comfortably one of the better side than Pakistan. During the mid 90s Pakistan lost 14 matches in a row against South Africa. Look at the overall record. SA has won 51 out of 82 matches against Pakistan. They even have 1+ W/L ratio against every single team. Nobody has won more matches against South Africa than South Africa has won against them.
 
SA ATG is an elite team. If we don't bring their WC record they are comfortably one of the better side than Pakistan. During the mid 90s Pakistan lost 14 matches in a row against South Africa. Look at the overall record. SA has won 51 out of 82 matches against Pakistan. They even have 1+ W/L ratio against every single team. Nobody has won more matches against South Africa than South Africa has won against them.

World Cup record matters bro.
 
Given how good the first XI of Pakistan has been, you could easily sit down and make a Pakistan second best ODI XI even. A second XI will look like :

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Mohammad Hafeez
3. Ijaz Ahmed/Saleem Malik
4. Mohammad Yousuf
5. Shoaib Malik
6. Shahid Afridi
7. Moin Khan (wkt)
8. Mohammad Amir
9. Abdul Qadir
10. Mohammad Asif
11. Waqar Younis

:inti
 
Saeed Anwar
M Rizwan
Babar
Miandad
Inzimam
Imran Khan
Afridi
Razzaq
Akram
Saqlain
Akhtar / Waqar

Batting till 9, and 6 bowling options. Rizwan has never opened for PK in ODI, but probably the best keeper / batsman overall
 
Pakistan's all-time XIs are always among the top-3 in every format.

1) Saeed Anwar
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Babar Azam
4) Zaheer Abbas
5) Inzamam-ul-Haq
6) Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
7) Imran Khan (c)
8) Wasim Akram
9) Saqlain Mushtaq
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saeed Ajmal

This batting lineup will get 300 in every game and this bowling attack wouldn't let the opposition score 250.
 
Zaheer Abbas was arguably the second best ODI batsman in 1980s after Viv Richards.

With all due respect - Zaheer Abbas was weak against pace & bounce. Got badly exposed against Australia & West Indies

Was excellent in subcontinental pitches
 
1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Saeed Anwar
3) Babar Azam
4) Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
5) Javed Miandad
6) Misbah Ul haq (VC)
7) Shadab Khan
8)Imran Khan (C)
9) Wasim Akram
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Waqar Younis
12) Hafeez

Not a team that a lot of people would like.

Fakhar Zaman and Saeed Anwar would do great as opener. I wanted Imam ul haq in place of Saeed but I think Imam still needs to play more to be adjusted here. Fakhar Zaman has a 200 and an ICC mathcing winning final 100 against India.

Babar Azam at one down is a no brainer. While Rizwan is the best wicket keeper Pakistan ever produced.

Than we have Javed Miandad who was a great batsman and than Misbah ul haq aswell who was another great that could also change gears. His hitting against spinners was one of the best

Now alot of people would ask why I added Shadab. Well the batting needs to be deep and you need another good spinner in the line up cant have one. Saeed Ajmal was a chucker, while Shahid afridi and Mushtaq Ahmad took a wicket per match. Shadab Khan, accept it or not, but it the best spin bowling allrounder Pakistan has ever produced. Even his fielding is great.

There has been no better spin bowling allrounder in Pakistan. Hafeez comes up but Hafeez was a top order batsman.

Imran Khan is a no brainer, captaincy would be between him and Misab. Greatest allrounder of the game.

Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis are no brainers. Saqlain Mshtaq the best spinner we ever had.

Hafeez 12th man. I wish he could be added cause in odi's you need a 6th bowler. You cant win an odi game with 5 bowlers only.

Yousuf and Inzamam omitted cause, Inzamam sucked at ICC tournaments and couldn't take pressure. Yousuf is hard to adjust as you either have to remove Miandad, Babar or Misbah. And all those 3 player were great at their position
 
To be fair, our best 11 would be no where near amongst the top 4. Pakistan never produced allrounders. After Imran Khan we never had a good allrounder. Even in spin we now have shadab
 
1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Saeed Anwar
3) Babar Azam
4) Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
5) Javed Miandad
6) Misbah Ul haq (VC)
7) Shadab Khan
8)Imran Khan (C)
9) Wasim Akram
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Waqar Younis
12) Hafeez

Not a team that a lot of people would like.

Fakhar Zaman and Saeed Anwar would do great as opener. I wanted Imam ul haq in place of Saeed but I think Imam still needs to play more to be adjusted here. Fakhar Zaman has a 200 and an ICC mathcing winning final 100 against India.

Babar Azam at one down is a no brainer. While Rizwan is the best wicket keeper Pakistan ever produced.

Than we have Javed Miandad who was a great batsman and than Misbah ul haq aswell who was another great that could also change gears. His hitting against spinners was one of the best

Now alot of people would ask why I added Shadab. Well the batting needs to be deep and you need another good spinner in the line up cant have one. Saeed Ajmal was a chucker, while Shahid afridi and Mushtaq Ahmad took a wicket per match. Shadab Khan, accept it or not, but it the best spin bowling allrounder Pakistan has ever produced. Even his fielding is great.

There has been no better spin bowling allrounder in Pakistan. Hafeez comes up but Hafeez was a top order batsman.

Imran Khan is a no brainer, captaincy would be between him and Misab. Greatest allrounder of the game.

Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis are no brainers. Saqlain Mshtaq the best spinner we ever had.

Hafeez 12th man. I wish he could be added cause in odi's you need a 6th bowler. You cant win an odi game with 5 bowlers only.

Yousuf and Inzamam omitted cause, Inzamam sucked at ICC tournaments and couldn't take pressure. Yousuf is hard to adjust as you either have to remove Miandad, Babar or Misbah. And all those 3 player were great at their position

Beautiful middle order. Can’t wait to have Pakistan 30-4 with Shane Warne chewing them alive!
 
Imagine telling Miandad you will be batting after Rizwan, and telling Inzimam you will sit out so Misbah can play

Only [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] can come up with these amazing insights
 
Imagine telling Ricky Ponting that Pakistan have named their All time XI to face yours and here is the team sheet:

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Saeed Anwar
3) Babar Azam
4) Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
5) Javed Miandad
6) Misbah Ul haq (VC)
7) Shadab Khan
8)Imran Khan (C)
9) Wasim Akram
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Waqar Younis


I recon he would take this as an insult. Boy it’s time to break some ribs with Bret Lee charging in full pelt!!
 
Imagine telling Miandad you will be batting after Rizwan, and telling Inzimam you will sit out so Misbah can play

Only [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] can come up with these amazing insights
Ok shift Miandad to no.4 and Rizwan to no.5

Rest stays the same.

WHy you getting so senti? Just our opinion and i gave my reasons.
 
1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Saeed Anwar
3) Babar Azam
4) Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
5) Javed Miandad
6) Misbah Ul haq (VC)
7) Shadab Khan
8)Imran Khan (C)
9) Wasim Akram
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Waqar Younis
12) Hafeez

Not a team that a lot of people would like.

Fakhar Zaman and Saeed Anwar would do great as opener. I wanted Imam ul haq in place of Saeed but I think Imam still needs to play more to be adjusted here. Fakhar Zaman has a 200 and an ICC mathcing winning final 100 against India.

Babar Azam at one down is a no brainer. While Rizwan is the best wicket keeper Pakistan ever produced.

Than we have Javed Miandad who was a great batsman and than Misbah ul haq aswell who was another great that could also change gears. His hitting against spinners was one of the best

Now alot of people would ask why I added Shadab. Well the batting needs to be deep and you need another good spinner in the line up cant have one. Saeed Ajmal was a chucker, while Shahid afridi and Mushtaq Ahmad took a wicket per match. Shadab Khan, accept it or not, but it the best spin bowling allrounder Pakistan has ever produced. Even his fielding is great.

There has been no better spin bowling allrounder in Pakistan. Hafeez comes up but Hafeez was a top order batsman.

Imran Khan is a no brainer, captaincy would be between him and Misab. Greatest allrounder of the game.

Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis are no brainers. Saqlain Mshtaq the best spinner we ever had.

Hafeez 12th man. I wish he could be added cause in odi's you need a 6th bowler. You cant win an odi game with 5 bowlers only.

Yousuf and Inzamam omitted cause, Inzamam sucked at ICC tournaments and couldn't take pressure. Yousuf is hard to adjust as you either have to remove Miandad, Babar or Misbah. And all those 3 player were great at their position

You mentioned somewhere that you started watching cricket after 2010 so it somewhat makes sense because selecting Shadab over Afridi and Mushtaq and Misbah over Inzamam is utter madness.

Anyone who watch prime Afridi and Mushtaq bowl would tell you that Shadab is nowhere near them as a spinner in ODIs. Even if you started watching cricket in 2010, you should go for Afridi because the way he bowled in the 2011 World Cup is far beyond anything Shadab has produced in ODI cricket.

Shadab would be nowhere the team if he was from the same era. Afridi was better than him at everything including fielding. He was a proper athlete, not a walking injury like Shadab.

As a batsman he was obviously very inconsistent because of the way he played but in spite of his inconsistency, you look at his best ODI innings and Shadab is not remotely good enough to replicate that.

The wicket per game argument is flawed because it ignores other variables. Mushtaq and Afridi were sharing wickets with Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib and later Razzaq. Shadab would be also be taking less than a wicket per game if he was competing with these bowlers for wickets.

As far as Inzamam vs Misbah is concerned, it is like comparing Umar Akmal to de Villiers. Misbah was a decent ODI batsman who did a very crucial job in a very fragile lineup but he is not worthy of lacing Inzamam’s boots. The gulf between the two is humongous.

You just can’t have an all-time Pakistan ODI XI and pick Misbah over Inzamam, Yousuf, Zaheer Abbas and Saleem Malik. That is completely crazy.

As far as Inzamam and World Cups are concerned, it is true that he underperformed from 1996 onwards. However, the gulf between him and Misbah is too big for that to be a deal breaker.
 
Australia GOAT ODI XI

1. Hayden
2. Gilchrist
3. Ponting
4. Smith
5. Hussey
6. Bevan
7. Lehman
8. Bret Lee
9. Johnson
10. Warne
11. McGrath

Look at this middle order, and look at the one [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] is suggesting
 
Ok shift Miandad to no.4 and Rizwan to no.5

Rest stays the same.

WHy you getting so senti? Just our opinion and i gave my reasons.

Yeah because I take these ridiculous views personally about the team I love dearly
 
Ok shift Miandad to no.4 and Rizwan to no.5

Rest stays the same.

WHy you getting so senti? Just our opinion and i gave my reasons.

Will all due respect, you can’t just pick Misbah over Inzamam and Yousuf in an ODI XI and expect others to respect this opinion.
 
You mentioned somewhere that you started watching cricket after 2010 so it somewhat makes sense because selecting Shadab over Afridi and Mushtaq and Misbah over Inzamam is utter madness.

Anyone who watch prime Afridi and Mushtaq bowl would tell you that Shadab is nowhere near them as a spinner in ODIs. Even if you started watching cricket in 2010, you should go for Afridi because the way he bowled in the 2011 World Cup is far beyond anything Shadab has produced in ODI cricket.

Shadab would be nowhere the team if he was from the same era. Afridi was better than him at everything including fielding. He was a proper athlete, not a walking injury like Shadab.

As a batsman he was obviously very inconsistent because of the way he played but in spite of his inconsistency, you look at his best ODI innings and Shadab is not remotely good enough to replicate that.

The wicket per game argument is flawed because it ignores other variables. Mushtaq and Afridi were sharing wickets with Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib and later Razzaq. Shadab would be also be taking less than a wicket per game if he was competing with these bowlers for wickets.

As far as Inzamam vs Misbah is concerned, it is like comparing Umar Akmal to de Villiers. Misbah was a decent ODI batsman who did a very crucial job in a very fragile lineup but he is not worthy of lacing Inzamam’s boots. The gulf between the two is humongous.

You just can’t have an all-time Pakistan ODI XI and pick Misbah over Inzamam, Yousuf, Zaheer Abbas and Saleem Malik. That is completely crazy.

As far as Inzamam and World Cups are concerned, it is true that he underperformed from 1996 onwards. However, the gulf between him and Misbah is too big for that to be a deal breaker.

1. Inzamam was a terrible batter in ICC tournament. Has to be the most over rated batter ever. Misbah performed in ICC tournaments and has been amongst the top 5 highest avg batsman in odi.

2. I would never have Afridi, the guy cant even spin the ball. He was always a 1 wicket per match bowler. Remember, 2011 world cup was played in Subcontinent that asissted spinners. At one point we even played Abdur Rehman in the same world cup due to conditions. Afridi was over rated, and only played cause of his wild slogging.

Mushtaq Ahmad, i never seen him bowl, dont like his stats much they are similar to Shadabs, but Shadab can bat.

After Imran Khan Pakistan didnt produce another good allrounder and Shadab Khan is becoming a very good allrounder, infact he is the best spin allrounder for Pakistan. Shadab Khan took wickets in limited overs in Australia.

Misbah over Inzi every day. Inzi did jack in ICC tournaments. Misbah's batting avg in odis is 43, the guy was beast and used to perform in every icc tournament and did not bow down to icc tournament pressure. 2003 and 2007 world cups are there for everyone to see.

Saleem malik avg 30 and was also a match fixer so no thanks. Zaheer Abbas played only 60 games, thats like having Jonathan Trott in your team. Atleast the likes of Babar and Shadab are still playing.

An argument could be made for Mohammad Yousuf, however, Yousuf could not bat low like Misbah did. Yousuf can only play at no.3,4 or 5 but not 6.

When Inzi couldn't do jack in ICC tournaments why should he be added?
 
Will all due respect, you can’t just pick Misbah over Inzamam and Yousuf in an ODI XI and expect others to respect this opinion.

Misbah over Inzi any day. Inzi was a walking wicket in ICC tournament and every world cup we lost was because he never showed up. Took no responsibility. I hated the fact that in a series this guy can rack up runs easily but when an ICC tournament would come he would become the worst batter ever.

I remember that under him when we went to an ICC tournament, the teams morale would be down and it was expected Pakistan would lose. I found the guy to be over rated.

Yousuf argument can be made, but Misbah is battting at no.6 while Yousuf was a top order or middle order batter.
 
Best Pakistan OD XI in Asia

Saeed Anwar
Inzamam
Babar
Zaheer Abbas
Javed Miandad
Abdul Razzak
Shahid Afridi
Rashid Latif
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Sqlain Mushtaq
 
Best Australia OD XI In Asian Conditions

Adam GilChrist
Shane Watson
Ricky Pointing
Dean Jones
Michael Bevan
Michael Hussey
A. Symonds
Bret Lee
Shane Warne
M. Starc
MacGrath.
 
World Cup record matters bro.

It is not like other teams (other than Australia) have so many world cups. At the most 1 or 2. I won't hold duckworth lewis deduction in 1992 world cup against them. Just bad luck.
 
Currently, Rizwan makes it as keeper batsman easily.

It’s delusional to select Sarfraz, Latif, Moin over him. Latter 2 are from a bygone era where keepers would slog the odd ball and get out for 20 something. Sarfraz can’t play pace, and his keeping dropped sharply towards the end.

To Rizwan haters. No, I’m not a Rizwan fan. I’m a Pakistan cricket fan. Yes I criticize him, but when he deserves praise, I won’t shy away from it.
 
BEST Pakistan XI

S Anwar
S Afridi
Babar
Inzy
Javed
Imran
Razzaq
Wasim
Moin
Saqlain
Akhtar/Waqar

Depending on conditions 2 out of Afridi Razzaq Waqar and Akhtar makes the cut, with Babar moving to open its a hybrid XI Pepsque
 
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Australia GOAT ODI XI

1. Hayden
2. Gilchrist
3. Ponting
4. Smith
5. Hussey
6. Bevan
7. Lehman
8. Bret Lee
9. Johnson
10. Warne
11. McGrath

Look at this middle order, and look at the one [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] is suggesting
Lehman in Australia's all time XI!!!
Could have been symonds or watson.
 
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Currently, Rizwan makes it as keeper batsman easily.

It’s delusional to select Sarfraz, Latif, Moin over him. Latter 2 are from a bygone era where keepers would slog the odd ball and get out for 20 something. Sarfraz can’t play pace, and his keeping dropped sharply towards the end.

To Rizwan haters. No, I’m not a Rizwan fan. I’m a Pakistan cricket fan. Yes I criticize him, but when he deserves praise, I won’t shy away from it.
I am not a rizwan hater, but in an all time eleven there are far better options for top 4 batting positions. And rizwan at number 6 or 7 is of no use. Moin is the best option for that place.
 
Symonds yes. Need a second spinner. Lehman was decent

Just decent is not enough for an all time XI.
Anyways its your choice.
Best all time Australian ODI XI in my opinion-

Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Smith
Hussey
Symonds
Watson
Brett lee
Warne
Starc
McGrath

Substitutes- bevan, mark wagh, dean jones, Gillespie, johnson
 
1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Saeed Anwar
3) Babar Azam
4) Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
5) Javed Miandad
6) Misbah Ul haq (VC)
7) Shadab Khan
8)Imran Khan (C)
9) Wasim Akram
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Waqar Younis
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] how do you plan on telling Miandad to pad up after Rizwan and Imran to pad up after Shadab? Have you thought this through?
 
I can’t take any post seriously that has Sarfraz as WK in an all time Pakistan XI :))). Rizwan is amongst the best keeping batsmen of all time as an all format player. Great batter, great behind the stumps, agile, athletic. No comparison with his peers…
 
Saeed Anwar
Fakhar Zaman
Javed Miandad
Inzamam ul Haq
Imran Khan (c)
Shahid Afridi
Moin Khan (wk)
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar
Saqlain Mushtaq

It was between Babar and Fakhar for me, one is capable of getting you a run a ball 100 which is cool but the other has an extra gear. Fakhar can go from 100 off 90 to 150+ off 120 balls. He’s relentless, whereas Babar will get tired after making a century and throw his wicket away.

Shoaib Akhtar is too good to be benched, had to compromise on a batsman and play 3 all rounders (Khan, Afridi and Wasim) just to fit him into the team.

The batting ends at 5. 4 wickets down and Pak would crumble. This might be the worst best xi batting one can compile. No offense.
 
The batting ends at 5. 4 wickets down and Pak would crumble. This might be the worst best xi batting one can compile. No offense.

The batting ends at 8 for me.

Wasim Akram, Moin Khan and Shahid Afridi are more than capable of putting on a partnership for 15-20 overs. That would leave our top 5 with 30 overs to bat.

Also, when you have Waqar, Wasim, Shoaib, Saqlain, Afridi and Imran as your bowling attack, you’re not going to worry about chasing big totals or setting up big targets.
 
1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Saeed Anwar
3) Babar Azam
4) Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
5) Javed Miandad
6) Misbah Ul haq (VC)
7) Shadab Khan
8)Imran Khan (C)
9) Wasim Akram
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Waqar Younis

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] how do you plan on telling Miandad to pad up after Rizwan and Imran to pad up after Shadab? Have you thought this through?

bro i have already said, send rizwan at 5 and miandad at 4

Imran and Shadab positions can switch according to match situation.
 
bro i have already said, send rizwan at 5 and miandad at 4

Imran and Shadab positions can switch according to match situation.

Ok.

In what situation would you send Shadab before Imran?
 
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